When I was a kid, I somehow managed to get the Sprite Darter Hatchling without even knowing it existed. I had one of the coolest pets in the game and didn't even realize how rare it was. That accidental discovery made it all the more special, and it's a memory that'll stay with me forever.

Now look how they massacred my boy.

I know one is a rare drop in Feralas and the other might be a shop pet, but the difference in design philosophy is undeniable.

And the fact that you can just buy it now makes it feel even less special. Back then, getting that pet was a genuine achievement or sometimes just an incredible stroke of luck. You had a story behind it. Now it's just another shop purchase...

Someone posted yesterday that they hope Blizz wont add a million mounts to the game as it ruins immersion. Most of us agreed. Well here we are...

Too many are getting absolutely obsessed and bogged down in the min-max mentality already, alright?

I have a daughter, and in her teen years despite us being a working class family she got really materialistic. If we spent $1 more on her brother at Christmas then she definitely had the notion that we 'owed' her that $1 somehow, it was wild.

Now reading post about racials and class balance today, I get the same feeling of listening to crazy.

Getting hyper obsessed with equality across everything is just gonna ruin your experience, and worse yet if Blizzard feel they need to listen to that sort of talk it's going to ruin it for everyone else when they start homogenising everything. No one came to Classic for that.

Doing 1% less DPS than another race doesn't matter more than just enjoying the game, accepting that every race and class has it's strengths and weaknesses - and if it does matter to you then roll that race/class!

TL:DR; don't get obsessed with total equality, min-maxing, and perfection. You will spoil it for yourself. WoW Forever is shaping up to be a great experience. These are the good times, and for once we can be aware of them while it's happening!

Since WC3 my favourite race is NE. I am tired of the same 3 mount models! So YES I want new mounts in WoW Forever. But I want mounts that:

• are immersive (fit the race/lore)
• stay true to the classic world / artstyle
• stay decent (not overtuned in features)

Just to give some examples ...

• class themed race mounts
• a variety of armor/saddle versions
• different fur/skin/feather/bone/metal colours

And if the devs cannot help themselves but implement a bear mount. Why is the bear spectral? Why not just a normal bear with a nice features? Why this immersion breaking ghost version?

Don't give me the "you don't have to use it" BS. It is also immersion breaking if others use it. And not using the spectral bear doesn't result in new mounts for my race.

AI created the moon tiger based on this prompt: "look at this world of warcraft mount versions. create a new version that is moon priest themed (add details). fur should have real fur colours. keep the art style and immersion!"

It’s for good reason, and it’s cuz we love the game are excited for it! November 4th can’t come soon enough!!

No cheating. Votes are removed as to not sway your opinion. There is a point to this semi-meta post at the end.

Please do guess, what is something so bad as to make a top 1% commenter doom harder than during WoD, Shadowlands, or this last week on retail? Something that can be deemed their worst design decision of all time? No RP-PvP? Store mounts? Drumroll please....

Its actually about the change/nerf to Touch of the Grave racial.

The drama-queen behaviour is insane in here. This sub has lost the plot entirely. I'm not exactly excited by the 25s ICD, its arbitrary, odd, and not represented in the tooltip, but this is a single target consistency increase, and fix for mass aoe topend and nasty interactions like prot paladin reckoning as they keep getting more health and procs in the endgame. The right response would be posts detailing WHY this is/feels bad, and suggestions/feedback to change it, if you feel that way. Hell, those posts should have come to light before as we knew it was OP for certain things, but instead good solutions were downvoted by people who thought this would make it to live in its OP iteration. Because they wanted to abuse it. You did this to yourselves.

I'm still rolling undead warrior. 4500 health(World first Rag 2019 had 4700+ with buffs 6 days into Classic as DPS warrior) and 2rppm at level 60 is 2x the healing of trolls passive regeneration (without spirit stacking), and does about the same damage as blood fury or berserking on average (0.5%, assumung around ~900 sim DPS for Fury that I've seen going around, obviously this is with old gear so take it with a grain of salt). It will be more than that for prot, which does lower damage, but still gets the value. It will also scale beyond these numbers obviously, as we get more health, just as the other racials scale with gear. I will agree though, this isnt ideal for classes with less health, being rogue/mage/priest generally. I'm hoping we get a 3rd pass on it.

And don't give me a "its obviously sarcasm or hyperbole". This is 3 comments in a sea of people on this sub essentially ragebaiting THEMSELVES mostly, and others as a sideeffect. Its also not the only topic recieving this kind of reaction. Get a grip. You are souring real feedback posted by flooding every post with unreasonable outrage, and we are only worse off for it.

/rant over I guess. State your stance in the comments if you'd like, but I'm done arguing with people that cant articulate past their first negative thought of any subject. Its kind of embarrasing on my part to have been doing that until now. Realizing as I type this I should prob just take a break from this sub until a couple of weeks after launch when these types have quit.

Edit: Seems I was onto something here. I dont feel as schizo now, thanks. 87% upvote ratio so far (at 250) on this post for those curious. Seeya at launch

Will this community start waiting til confirmation and stop dooming over datamines? Probably not.

Mana is still awful, damage is still awful, flame shock is still 20 yards and mandatory to upkeep, and the playstyle is just a worse boomie/lock.

Human:
2% extra crit for swords sounds a bit OP
Result: Make all weapons have 2% crit

Orc:
Extra crit for axe sounds a bit OP
Result: Make all weapons have crit

Troll:
Passive hp regen, sounds nice
Result: Twice the value

Dwarf:
Getting one extra bread or cheese per treasure chest

Skyborne:
Lets triple the haste passive and reduce their cds?

Undead:
4x the proc rate
25x the cooldown
Only passive dmg cd (which equals to less than 1%), no dmg cd

Yes, Im joking around here, but also its true to a certain extent.
Undead is severely lacking dps wise now with Totg 25x cd increase in addition to not having any offensive cds
Compared to:
Orcs which have offensive cd, passive crit, defensive cleanse cd and stun reduction.
Humans having pvp trinket for stuns, which is the most used cc, 2%!!! passive crit and stealth detect cd.

I had plans rolling as undead warrior for the first time, but that plan went straight to the grave, literally

I'm already seeing it, and calling it now.

Blizzard is listening to the community.

Small suggestions that are posted here are implemented.

After every patch that is inspired by the community, there's a horde of man-children that whine and complain about almost anything implemented.

It's up to Blizzard entirely whether they want to preserve the soul of Classic, or bend to these chronically-online children.

So they get DOWNRANKING back and I DON’T?? We're gonna laugh so hard watching Blizzard’s favorite child WALK for HOURS.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY HAVE PORTALS? STOP HAVING FUN!

So these mounts are apparently intended for Retail (Or China Exclusive), not WoW Forever. Interesting.

Personally, I think the community reaction may have made Blizzard reconsider, and if that's the case, I see it as a good thing.

But here's what makes this interesting. We datamined these mounts directly from the WoW Forever client. They're not present in Retail 12.1.7 or any other Classic client, not even as encrypted assets.

I also have a hard time believing Blizzard accidentally pushed the decryption keys for these specific mounts through a hotfix.

And then there's the other curious stuff in the Forever client: the FisherFalk armor set, Pinky pet, Baby Murloc Thrall, and even an encrypted Mecha Devilsaur mount. These assets already exist in Retail, yet they're present in Forever too, encrypted with entirely new keys.

Did Blizzard see the community's reaction and reconsider their plans? That's just my personal theory, and I could be completely wrong.

But if datamining gave players a chance to voice their opinions, and Blizzard actually listened and adjusted their plans, I'd call that a win for everyone.

Maybe datamining isn't always the villain of the story after all. 🫡

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/datamined-in-the-latest-beta-build/2385060

original post from @Stiven_SRB, can't post twitter links here

Ok so swords were able to Sheath on the back.

Can we get a Transmog option for us to hold daggers like a true rogue, Their own artwork have Rogues holding Daggers backwards.

*People going on about the animation issues - IF the reverse grip was added it if you look at all the Unarmed attacks"AttackFist1h" & "AttackFist1hOFF" Animation with a dagger in your hand in the dressing room on WoW Head it looks like it would fit perfect.\*

• - People giving IRL comparisons to how this isn't effective way to hold a knife please go outside and touch some grass because nobody is outside Reverse gripping Kitchen knives it is an MMO a Game in a "Fantasy" setting.

Crit damage and healing is ass compared to crit chance.

Small W for hunters who couldn't wear maces, but other classes literally got nerfed

No offensive cd
No extra crit chance
No extra crit dmg
But a lifesteal that now avg around 0.6% of your dmg

Im fine with not having the crit / haste as other races, lets not homogenize stuff too much.
But 25x increase of a ICD, dayum son..

I mean, hell, when you cried about specs, at least there was a realistic chance that one spec was really underperforming and stuff, but the racial stuff is just plain stupid.

Racial are flavor at best, and still we have people in here who seriously cry about 2% crit vs 2% crit damge, going like "You see, if your raid only has Dwarf Warriors instead of Human Warriors, you will clear Onyxia 4,7 seconds slower. Dwarfs are totally unplayable!"

Honestly? All you minmaxing spreadsheep humpers totally lost it and should really be sentenced to at least a week away from any social media, restriced to a grass field you have to touch at least five times per minute...