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u/Sabrina_the_Mouse 10h ago
There has never been a day and there will never be a day I pick a race because of its racial rather than how cool I think they are.
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u/WoWSecretsYT 8h ago
Nothing beats how awesome Troll Hunter bow shooting is for me. I don’t care how good Orc or (now) Tauren is. Troll is BiS in my heart.
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u/Sabrina_the_Mouse 8h ago
I have no idea if Undead is good for SP. All I know is that if my Shadow Priest is not an Undead, I don't have a Shadow Priest.
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u/Vigmod 7h ago
And that's why we're playing Dwarves until the heat death of the universe.
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u/Ahielia 10h ago
Racial matter if you can't really decide between races you think are equally cool, but yeah I'd never pick a race purely because of the racial if I think they look daft. I'd never play gnomes, goblins, etc because I don't like the wsy they look.
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u/Tokata0 9h ago edited 1h ago
BUT WHAT IF I WANT THUNDERFURY AND CAN'T GET IT CAUSE I'M MISSING WEAPON SKILL!!!!!!!
Written by a undead furyprot who got thunderfury by accident cause the raid he tanked for a guild they had a throwout with their main tank and booted him from the guild and gave me the first binding out of spite. Became MT and got the 2nd
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u/Beautiful_Pick_7016 9h ago
I don’t understand? Weapon skill? Why would that stop you from equipping it?
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u/Tokata0 9h ago
That was a thing in classic. Super op attribute that was only found on like 3 items and humans had it as a racial
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u/Beautiful_Pick_7016 9h ago
But you could still use the weapon
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u/AncientZJJ 9h ago
i think hes saying the raid would prio someone would weapon skill, which doesnt make sense cause he said UD and humans have the weapon skill, and they took the weapon skills out lol.
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u/RMAPOS 5h ago
He's talking about Thunderfury. Thunderfury is a sword. The only race with a racial affecting sword weapon skill was humans with sword specialization.
Horde never had sword weapon skill anywhere in their racials (barring maybe SoD, which I didn't play)
That person's story doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Especially since in their story they DID get Thunderfury in the end, which means the whole capslock clause is already idiotic.
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u/AbsolutlyN0thin 5h ago
Yep, way back in the OG timeline I picked UD lock because that's what younger me thought was the coolest. For classic I recreated that character. Sure orc would have been more optimal, but it just simply didn't really matter. And anyways, WotF did end up having quite a few applications in PvE, so it's not like it was a do nothing class pick
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u/ClassicKrova 9h ago
I dunno, aesthetically I would rather be a Skyborne Druid on horde.
However, giving up Warstomp for PvP seems like such a massive throw, it's crazy. The only thing I would get in return is a slowfall that is useless in 99% of PvP scenarios except rare open world escapes.
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u/Pilota_kex 7h ago
I prefer the bears... I have to stick to tauren, but after all these years i wanted something new to be honest. But not something so different
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u/ClassicKrova 7h ago
Honestly, I would overall prefer playing an NE Druid, but all of my friends want to roll horde for PvP, so it funnels into Tauren.
Again it's not even a choice, either I look pretty OR I survive scenarios I normally would have died in.
Best I can make a Tauren look is by finding gear that makes them look kinda scary and demonic. They don't look awful in PvP gear.
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u/jmcl6779 3h ago
You're massively overvaluing War Stomp and undervaluing the glide. War Stomp is DR with Pounce and Bash which is a 30 second CD if you're 11 Feral, so it's often a 1s stun with a .5s cast time. It's basically just a melee range interrupt; very strong and nice to have, but not something you can't live without. Walk on Air meanwhile is extremely useful in both the open world and in BGs. You only need a small hill to use it and it significantly increases your movement speed. Saying it's useless in 99% of PvP scenarios is nonsense and it's obvious that you haven't actually tried it on the beta. Play whichever race you want and stop obsessing over small, meaningless differences.
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u/MayhemPenguin5656 5h ago
This should be the common take, and I believe it is for 90% of the player base.. the other 10% is on reddit
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 11h ago
People often go by their best parse per encounter. A lot more than 1% of those who log would describe themselves as 99 parsers.
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u/ShoshinTFT 11h ago
Even going by that its gonna be a very small portion of the total player base.
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u/AbsolutlyN0thin 5h ago
I'd guess probably around 5% of the active raiding population would describe themselves as 99 parsers. If you can regularly get 95s, you'll be getting a good handful of 99s on individual encounters, if by nothing else than sheer crit rng
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u/reeferbiscuit 10h ago
It's true that propper racials could bring a 98 to a 99 but it could also bring a 80 up to a 82.
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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 4h ago
It's also bizarre to frame people like me as being the unreasonable ones for wanting the racials to be reasonably balanced. Why would anyone be against wanting the racials to be reasonably balanced?
The difference in power level between Orc and Dwarf racials is so egregiously large. It's one thing to have imbalances on your first attempt at the designs, but this is basically Blizzard's third pass at doing "vanilla" WoW racials. There were the original racials from 2004 when the game launched, then the second pass was the initial state of racials when WoW Forever beta launched, and this is now the third draft of racials and yet STILL Dwarf racials suck. It's failure of design imo and I don't get why it's unreasonable to ask for something closer to balanced.
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u/jumpinjahosafa 7h ago
Back in my day we picked whatever and still managed to clear MC
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u/Astra-Fang 6h ago
Two of our paladins were so bad at the game we had them stay out of combat and Rez people on garr and baron.
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u/jumpinjahosafa 5h ago
Lmao were we in the same guild? It was a 50/50 chance that our main tank would d/c halfway through the fight and the raid had to adapt every single time.
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u/Kromehound 5h ago
I still played fire spec on my mage in MC. Good times.
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u/jumpinjahosafa 4h ago
My lock went in wearing that blue level 40 lock robe you get. Didnt even know what BIS meant.
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u/ShoshinTFT 11h ago
The realest shit. Everyone acts like they're gonna be parsing in the 99th percentile as if that somehow makes sense.
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u/rufrtho 10h ago
you only need to do it once, a lot more than 1% of players have a 99 parse on a fight. it's easy to do if you just put in effort.
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u/Stencil_Abuse 10h ago
I don’t think you can parse 99 with a shitty casual guild, isn’t a huge part of parsing kill time?
I could be wrong, I haven’t played wow since classic TBC.
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u/hallstar07 10h ago
You are correct. Parsing is mostly a group metric. People will disagree because the 99 parse makes them feel good but the best player in the world couldn’t 90 parse with a bunch of green and grey parsing teammates
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u/ShoshinTFT 10h ago
Yeah 100%. Getting 99s/100s is a group effort more than anything else.
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u/Awkward-Iron-2031 10h ago
Depends how shitty of a dad guild they are. Mine was a bit above average but still a dad guild and I was able to parse well.
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u/jehhans1 8h ago
Yeah, parsing in early versions of wow is mostly a group metric since skill expression is almost non existant.
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u/AbsolutlyN0thin 4h ago
Maybe not a shitty guild, but you absolutely can with a mid tier guild. I remember in Cata classic getting 99s on Sinestra despite having kill times like 3 minutes (or something like that, it was a good amount though) slower than the vast majority of people getting 99s. I remember having to completely rework my timing of major CDs vs the established meta, because we killed so slow we'd get second lust lol. But this wasn't an every encounter thing for me, I was just weirdly good at that one boss, apparently
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u/ShoshinTFT 10h ago
People that cheese a single 99 that gets adjusted down the next week then act like they're a 99 parser don't really invalidate this joke, if anything they only further substantiate it.
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u/rufrtho 10h ago
gonna try this phrase with you
"it's not for me"
you don't need to hate on parsing just because you personally don't enjoy it. nobody thinks you're cool for this you're just being judgemental.
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u/ShoshinTFT 10h ago
What? Last I was playing was SoD in a 99 parse guild with some 100s. What have I said that implies I don't like parsing. If anything, I'm lowkey gatekeeping people acting like touching the top for a second puts them in the same category as people consistently parsing the top.
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u/Masiyo 10h ago
Median performance percentile is far more impressive than max.
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u/hallstar07 10h ago
Performance within their raid group is the most impressive. Like if a guy has blue parses in a group of grey parsers that’s far more impressive to me than someone having orange parses with a bunch of other orange and purple parsers.
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u/RubberDomeEnthusiast 4h ago
Picking class/race purely on vibe.
Come at me.
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u/Chilly291 3h ago
Right there witchu. Success in wow is mostly a matter of skill and time investment. Race, class and other factors are far less important.
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u/RubberDomeEnthusiast 3h ago
I've developed a possibly unhealthy addiction to Shadowmeld.
It may be one of the more situational racials, but the situations when it is useful it's USEFUL.
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u/notverysmawt 10h ago
Can we accept we all enjoy playing the game differently?
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u/Syfogidas_HU 9h ago
Enjoying is one thing, demanding that uniqueness be all but taken out of the game is another. Especially when it's for a reason that's based on a lie to yourself.
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u/wixed11one 10h ago
I think most people can, but it seems to be the parsers and min maxers who can't. I thought most of the racials were fine with one or two being a little stronger but obviously not game breaking, but because one is like a fraction of a percent better, it MUST be balanced. Let the game have flavor
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u/ThatWhatsSheZed 10h ago
Just to be clear... Minmaxers wanting better balanced racials is not them being unable to accept we all enjoy playing the game differently.
You bringing up min maxers wanting different things from you as if it's a flaw, on the other hand, is you being unable to accept them playing differently from you.
You gave an exact example of what the comment you replied to was saying should be avoided.
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u/wixed11one 10h ago
Disagree but as you like
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u/ThatWhatsSheZed 10h ago
You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the fact that what I said was true.
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u/notverysmawt 8h ago
I am pretty competitive about wow. Am I a 99 parser? No. But in vanilla I got some low to mid 90s. It’s fun! I like to push myself because when I started this game I was a kid who chose my gear based solely on armor value.
I finally got duelist in tbc which was my life dream.
I know I’m not that good at this game. So I want every advantage I can get!
And if you want to play a dwarf because you love the vibes? Great. Let’s work with that. I’ll invite you I do not care
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u/Irrerevence 10h ago
I do parse 99s and would like to pick something that is not Orc.
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u/JimmytheNice 10h ago
how is parsing 98 as literally any other race any worse?
yes, 99 > 98 before someone akhchyuallies me - i am asking for a real world difference
the dragon is gonna go balls up 2.5 seconds later?
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u/Deliverz 10h ago
You don’t have the min max mindset, and that’s fine. But some people do a free dps increase (or mandatory dps loss depending how you look at it) is a dealbreaker for minmaxers. Like, people grind out random bullshit for even the slightest advantage, why would they not take an objectively superior race if they are planning on min maxing
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u/BarbsFPV 8h ago
Once I saw the min/maxers sniping boglings from low-level nelves in Dolanaar, just for the bogling roots, I knew there was no coming back for some people, lol.
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u/BIKF 9h ago
Sure, but imagine being a minmaxer complaining on reddit and expecting that blizzard should do the minmaxing for you by giving you the racials you want. Isn't the point of minmaxing to figure out what is best within the rules of the game and then choose that class/talents/whatever?
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u/Syfogidas_HU 9h ago
Who is stopping them?
But they are just whining when something else is superior in some situation.
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u/Irrerevence 10h ago
I want to play a Horde Lock. Now unfortunately, after the nerfs UD looks much worse, Troll berserking doesn't affect channels nor DoTs so that leaves Orc as the only viable option. This isn't just like a 1% difference either, it's quite sizable.
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u/PinkDolphih 10h ago
It's not sizable in the slightest. What is, however, is Troll's 5% Beastslaying. Blows all other races out of the water if you're fighting a beast.
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u/Low_Oil_6825 9h ago
True. And if any raids feature a beast boss only trolls would have a real shot at parsing on it.
Is this a desirable outcome?
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u/JimmytheNice 7h ago
yes, because it's an RPG at its heart - different tools for different problems
those differences in WoW however are meant to be purely _flavourful_ - if they were meant to be actually impactful than people would be picking Orc Warlocks over other Horde Warlocks, which nobody needs
racials are for flavour, the end, you get a teeny tiny boost, but that's it
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u/Empty-Engineering458 10h ago edited 10h ago
for affliction the difference would be bigger but for destruction there is no way orc is even 1% better than troll
with 20% base crit, 1k spellpower spamming sbolt for 180s: 2% crit racial is 1.67% DPS and berserking is 0.69%, blood fury is 0.46%
1% crit and blood fury is not going to blow berserking out of the water, it's going to be like a difference of 0.4-0.5%
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u/Empty-Engineering458 10h ago
99 is a pretty wide field, you definitely don't need to pick a race that does 9 more DPS
this would make more sense when weapon skill racials were a thing, but race selection isn't going to keep you from parsing 99 in any way currently
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u/Tripinfa 10h ago
fr.
And with the changes to racials and classes there's a bigger impact for most classes (other than warriors) from classic.
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u/Areia25 9h ago
I also parse 99 and always pick race based on what I like. In classic vanilla and WoTLK I was dwarf warrior, and even got a couple of rank 1's as a Tauren shaman in SoD.
You only need to pick bis race if you're going for world first or WR speedruns, otherwise it doesn't matter.
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u/sirzotolovsky 10h ago
I gotta say I parsed 99 one time on Patchwork back when naxx came out in classic. And it was the best feeling in the world having my effort pay off, and I consider myself a shitter.
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u/Comfortable-Ask-5576 10h ago
Yes I actually do and the latest change made it much for difficult for me as a cat dps to find a spot in a competitive guild.
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u/Happy_Phase7307 53m ago
Ok but if we don't care about the racials then why do we care when they change the racial?
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u/Deliverz 10h ago
It’s not about parsing 99. It’s about the chase. It’s about being the best YOU can be.
I play in a softball beer league. I can wear sneakers and play just fine. But, if I wear cleats I do much better. Should I not wear cleats because I’m never going to go pro? No, that’s silly. I want to play the best I can within my capabilities, and wearing cleats is a very easy way to get me closer to that benchmark.
If someone cares about their raid DPS and wants to be the best they can be on their class, they are going to pick the race that is objectively better. Yes, there is room for debate or some flexibility. Orc vs Troll warriors generally, but picking Undead would up straight grief any chance you have of playing your class to its fullest potential.
If you don’t care about that kind of stuff, that’s totally fine, but don’t act like the complaints aren’t justified just because it’s not about something you care about.
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u/ClassicKrova 9h ago
Yeah, honestly I don't care about DPS. But as a Horde druid my two choices are Tauren and Elves.
Aesthetically I would rather be an elf, but Warstomp -> Roots is such game changer for situations that you would otherwise die in that I just can't imagine not giving myself that crutch on demand.
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u/sugmassgottem 9h ago
Last time I played beer league softball, the person decked out in gear struck out 3 times and we heckled him off the field.
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u/Electrical_Detail875 8h ago
I think it also really depends on the player, some people are just naturally better in some classes. You can pick the best class and spec and still suck at it because you don't understand the rotation or just can't get in to the rhythm needed. In that case it's definitely more beneficial to play the class you have the most feel for compared to what is 'meta'.
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u/therob91 9h ago
Do you buy tens of thousands of dollars if equipment and practice every day too? If you want to wear cleats then pick the best race. The problem is these people don't even understand their own complaint. They want a different race for how it looks but also want the best #s. Pick one or leave, there's other games and even other versions of wow for balance. The whole point of non retail wow is to go a different direction than perfect bland balance and skill checks.
The best YOU can be would literally be picking one and maxing what you can control. You guys don't even understand your own complaints lol
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u/travman064 6h ago
I want to be able to play the race I want for aesthetic reasons, without feeling like im giving up a lot of character power.
So long as blizzard keeps the races within like 0.5% dps for every class, I think that it wont be an issue.
What difference would end up being an issue for you?
Like if the best race did 5% more dps than your favorite, would you still play your favorite? Where would you draw the line?
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u/ACoolGuy-Promise 8h ago edited 8h ago
This is pedantic as fuck. No he won’t spend 10k on equipment, but he will pick a slightly better shoe (race) when it comes down to it.
You’ve decided that you either go maximum on that spectrum or you’re a hypocrite. Wow super thoughtful take.
Ultimately Blizz should just scrap all dps related racials. There’s plenty of flavor to go around that isn’t “2% crit”, and this whole thing can be avoided.
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u/Neat-Spirit-6611 1h ago
The whole point of classic + was to be a more balanced version of classic. Wtf are you talking about?
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u/SoloWalrus 9h ago
I think a better metaphor would be "should i buy a $700 pair of cleats or stick with a humble $150 pair thats much more comfortable to me". You can get 80% of the way there with 20% the cost, and if you arent a professional the remaining 20% is out of your reach anyways so youd be wasting your money spending more.
Same goes for wow. Restricting yourself to a specific race because its marginally better than another will never give the average player any measurable improvement, a few percent is a rounding error when theres a dozen things youre doing wrong that are worth tens of percents.
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u/Nyzan 5h ago
Ehh poor comparison. I'd say it's more like you want to go running as a hobby and you can either buy:
- Regular running shoes.
- Neon brown running shoes with aerodynamically improved lightning bolts that make you 1% faster.
Does the 1% extra speed make up for the ugly appearance? YES if you're Usain Bolt, NO if you're an average Joe. And that's basically what the WoW race discussion is: are you willing to give up the lore/looks/feel/whatever of a race you enjoy to play a race that is s tiny tiny bit more optimal? Hard pass, for me at least. I'd rather play a race I think looks cool.
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u/IcyGravel 2h ago
You shouldn't have to wear the neon clown shoes to go faster though. You should be able to buy the neon clown shoes in a regular color...
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u/blackstoise 4h ago
What even is that comparison. It's like you got two shoes that you can get roughly the same price. Ones blue and ones red. Your fav color is blue, but the red makes you go a little faster. Competitive people will choose red.
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u/commonCranberry999 2h ago
yes i had 99s in every phase of classic.
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u/Mammoth_Version1206 11h ago
I parse 99, with Any Race, You pick a Race to parse 99. we are Not the Same
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u/Dangerous-Leader-779 9h ago
I'm "99%" sure the actual complaints were about PvP imbalance between racials.
If you actually played the game or read the sub, instead of just shitposting, you'd know that too.
Garbage like OG Gnome Eureka being a mandatory pick for Alliance races for 50% refunds, or Orc being THE choice for any class they can play for Horde (and invalidating Warlocks on top of it).
Those are completely justified critiques in a game that's going to heavily rely on PvP encounters that shape how you experience the world.
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u/CammyMacJr 9h ago
If I have parsed 99 every does that exempt me from this meme?
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u/romyori 10h ago
as someone who is competitive about parsing and had a many 99s and some 100s, i like the weapon specializations and other racials that make the race better for parsing.
i like having the choice to play something meta or something suboptimal. i’ve played night elf rogue in classic, and it gives you an identity when you’re purposefully playing something that isn’t meta for parsing but still trying
homogenizing every race takes away that identity
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u/Dystopic23 10h ago
If undead paladin had -10% damage and someone farted in your room every 10 minutes to keep the undead stench alive i'd still roll it. Who care's about racials
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u/Zibai1505 9h ago
The homogenization bros got their way.
Who cares now. Theyre not going to change it back so just move on and hope they dont make things more generic.
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u/Dwarni 9h ago
It's all funny until pugs don't invite you since you don't have a good race for your class...
Racials should be pure cosmetic, RP things not combat relevant abilities, passives...
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u/fakeaccounttoscroll 7h ago
-some people wanna parse and can't
-some people wanna parse and can
-some people don't give a fuck and wanna look cool
-some people know which combos are best for wsg jumps
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u/GrouchyCategory2215 10h ago
This is true, but it also doesn't excuse bad design
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u/LogDull819 7h ago
unpopular take probably but parsing is fun, adds a competitive touch otherwise classic PVE is very very boring to some.
It's being competitive with yourself and improving
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u/Empty-Engineering458 10h ago edited 10h ago
ITT blue parsers cope about kill times 🫂
edit: the upvote ratio for this comment is currently 66%, a blue parse
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u/EnvironmentalFix7059 7h ago
i hate everybody who commented in this thread.
people need to relax. wow is great, its never been balanced and it never will be.
but this launch has turned the community toxic. and its not blizzards fault.
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u/Billbuckingham 8h ago
Parsing is one of the worst things to happen to WoW.
The entire meta of the game would be different and probably more fun and less toxic if the parselords couldn't circlejerk over their spreadsheet.
When clearing the raid, getting the loot, and enjoying the game aren't enough, you gotta go be toxic about parsing to other players and your own groups.
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u/blackstoise 5h ago
Almost every person I've played with who cared about oarses were better people to play with. They showed up on time, had their shit ready to go, and tried their best.
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u/advisarivult 4h ago
Always hilarious to see people hating on people trying... The people who hated parsing I knew in 2019 classic were almost invariable poor players, and they made the game significantly harder for everyone else.
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u/blackstoise 4h ago
Yea the people who cared, but weren't good enough for 99 or didn't have a good group for 99 were still usually the best teammates to have, cause they cared enough to try.
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u/advisarivult 4h ago
It was honestly enough that they tried and improved. It didn't have to be a parselords style group to be better than what you'd get playing with people who'd say "this is all super easy, just stop telling me I've killed the raid!"
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u/cdcformatc 3h ago
if i was choosing a raid and i had to choose between "try hard" people looking to parse and the "casual" it's "just a game bro" type of people i choose the try hards every time.
mostly because i would like to clear the raid in a normal amount of time.
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u/FluffyWuffyVolibear 7h ago
Parsing is a useful metric for improvement. The problem arises when people are obsessing over parses for content that a medieval peasant could clear
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u/Thormourn 6h ago
Another problem is the game is piss easy and people still wipe all the time. I'm sure I'm not the only person who did bwl pugs that legit couldn't kill the first boss and disbanded. If I take a group of grey parsers and a group of purple parsers which do you think is more likely to clear content? Being a pug makes you appreciate logs for the information you can get before even stepping into the raid
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u/Moomootv 10h ago
No no you dont understand I could be 99% parse if they just changed the non optimal racial that I would never use in the first place if I was actually parsing. They just need to change that and ill be 99% I swear!
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u/tycoon39601 9h ago
It’s true actually. If you parse 98 you actually heal the boss. John Blizzard told me this and therefore there’s literally zero advantage to picking a better racial. If you’re not max parse there’s literally mathematically zero advantage to doing more damage.
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u/YugoTheBanned 8h ago
So if they parse a 86 or say 77. They should be less optimal and parse even lower?
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u/BiggestBlackestLotus 8h ago
Well picking the non-optimal race isn't going to help him get a 99 parse any quicker.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 10h ago
I parsed 99’s every phase in classic by picking the race I wanted instead of the “optimal” one.
There’s soooo many things that will kill your DPS before these come into consideration.
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u/WendigoCrossing 10h ago
Who the fuck cares about parsing in Forever lol
There are like 3 abilities and even less mechanics
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u/camebackforpopcorn 10h ago
I never parsed on classic, isn't it only based on consumes and raid comp anyway ?
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u/therob91 9h ago
If you're worried about parsing that bad you should just play retail where there's actually some skill. Its like someone talking about their great apm in checkers.
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u/MoxBro 10h ago
I cleared all vanilla content grey parsing in my PvP meme spec with no world buffs or consumes - it ain't that hard.
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u/FuuZePL 10h ago
Everyone did that in 2005, that's why the game was hard.
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u/ThatPerspective1277 9h ago
They did that with computers that had less processing power than a modern wristwatch.
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u/rcanhestro 8h ago
and without 15 years of guides telling them everything they needed to do in each fight.
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u/ThatPerspective1277 8h ago
The more you think about it, the more those overweight tweens start sounding like true heroes of legend.
O7
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u/rcanhestro 8h ago
honestly, kinda.
it's very easy to say Classic was easy when you had extremely detailed guides for every single encounter in the entire expansion before the game even released.
i mean, people were getting loot thinking about 2-3 raids in the future.
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u/frostnxn 9h ago
While I agree you dont need orange parses to clear vanilla, if what you say is true, you got carried.
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u/romnesia7729 10h ago
I cleared it in the same guild you did. We were both floor pov every fight and got carried.
Good thing we don't care about wasting other people's time
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u/ggonishh 10h ago
Rag tag group of heroes saving the world. Timeless. I bet your Naxx runs were two nights a week 3 hours a clip though XD. You want people at least 80 parsing in the purple zone lol.
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u/Recktion 3h ago
I didnt full clear vanilla as blue parsing warrior because I had too many people like you in the raids.
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u/hallwack 10h ago
I mostly care about racials for pvp, thats why i cant play skyborne... its just too useless
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u/AggressiveAd69x 10h ago
Yeah I mean if you're choosing to parse, you are not choosing to RP. Sorry bruc
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u/GossamerEU 10h ago
Fun memories of 2019 classic.
Tauren Hunter who parsed 95+ with some 99s along the way.
You can play a non-meta race because it’s fun and it would irk those who chose “better” races when you simply play your class better.
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u/chinpotenkai 10h ago
I do parse 99, and honestly? In forever race is not gonna matter for anything but high 99s to 100s
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u/Veil-Of-Madness 10h ago
Dwarf Priest, beacause someone always forgets fearward exists, and it's then funniest thing when they do.
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u/Forgotpasswordagainl 10h ago
That is why I am a happy camper for shadow priest.
We just needed a second look at a few talents (imo more could be done BUT I am not going to get greedy about it) and a tweaking of some spells.
Right now I feel shadow is in an amazing place.
No reason to stack a bunch of them like stacking warriors and mages in classic era, but a reason to bring one or two, AND rotation feels so much better with DP having a lowered CD. (And the talent for it is no longer terrible, 50% chance to have the remainder go onto 2 targets vs 1 target is massive! had gone from a picking it due to nothing better to a pretty darn decent talent!)
If anyone looks at my comment history you can tell I had no confidence that blizzard would be able to do positive changes, and I am 100% happy to be proven wrong.
The changes are strong but not game breaking, does not create reasons to not take other classes over shadow priest, makes the rotation feel better, slight nerfs to some things to balance it all out.
Overall I am stupid happy about shadow priest right now.
I think the last time I was this excited for a release was when Skyrim originally released!
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u/Critical_Fig_4375 9h ago
It is not about the parsing it is about bad asymmetric game design. The patch was step in the right direction but still not enough. We need more interesting racials with more flavour that are useful but not OP.
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u/Replicant_Six 9h ago
Let's be real though this choice on best race isnt gonna even be a big deal in the first place. We're not getting anything like mythic 20+ key difficulty where everything needs to be played perfectly with the min maxed stats.
You could roll in with whatever as long as the comp is good and probably clear everything without any serious headaches.
If this stuff really bothers you don't waste your time with it, let the min maxers optimize their game how they want because it's how they enjoy it. The rest of us should just pick what we think is gonna be fun.
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u/kittyonkeyboards 9h ago
Isn't parsing relative to your class?
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u/Shermando 9h ago
Yes, so say there are two players equally skilled and geared. One is a human and one is a undead. The human wins on paper solely because of 2% crit racial. People can legitimately complain this isnt and issue and people can legitimately complain that this is an issue.
The problem is some racials are just flat out better and unless each race gets a unique powerful racial it will never be 'fair'. Does the game need to be 'fair'? No, but to think people don't or shouldn't pick a race because of power behind a racial is short sighted. This is besides the point whether you think you should or shouldn't, at the end of the day it does effect a handful of people who would rather play X race but end up playing Y race because of the slight advantages.
Do I think things are fine as they currently stand? No, because if they did then why did blizzard just do another rebalance of racials?so they clearly see an issue as well. Why they can't seem to fix things better is beyond me though.
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u/Tall-Supermarket-173 9h ago
and its not even true. Orc warlock is better than ud warlock. Still had 99avg in all raids of classic tho
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u/Dhargon1 8h ago
Oohhh nice, this surely won't put salt in their wounds. Pretty sure its because they always low rolled on their crits. Couldn't be anything else
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u/BQ72 8h ago
As long as I feel like I pulled my weight I'm generally satisfied. Did well relative to my peers in the group, adjusting for expected outcomes by spec as necessary. I dun need to be best in the world, just shoulder to shoulder with the folks I play with and they are rarely Olympic players.
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u/Gayboy-Hunter 8h ago
I equalled an average of 90% parse in half of Siege of Orgrimmar fights (AoE disregarded) in MoP.
Top logged DPS in 2 fights, best for my class in 8 and best for my spec in all but one.
No one reaches 99% parse unless it's strictly single target with 0 downtime or insane luck during the first big burst.
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u/BorisHC 7h ago
Just a stupid equivalence.
Imagine the orc racial actually said “you have one additional trinket slot” which is what it is, and the dwarf racial said “you deal 5% extra damage to one in every 100 monsters you fight”
It’s just no where near the same level of balance. Why would anyone want to play a multiplayer game with a huge power disadvantage.
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u/Overlord_Hippo 7h ago
Whenever someone says this to me I always look up my 100 parses. Like ye this shit does matter, and more importantly people WILL pick their race / faction solely based on it.
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u/BloodyBonezzz 7h ago
Id rather be undead priest but dammit if the drakthyr double jump doesnt make life much easier for so many things...
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u/tes_befil 6h ago
Is parsing 99 even hard?
I haven't been playing recent expansions but the last time I did hardcore raiding and mythic+ it wasn't very difficult to maintain perfect dps rotations
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u/radiobottom 6h ago
You play human for the racials
I play dwarf for the facials (beards)
We are not the same
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u/Goodlucklol_TC 6h ago
Racials only benefit this much in PVE when competing at the highest level -- world 1st boss kill races. For everyone else theyre literally better off working on their rotation and mechanics than rerolling for a racial that will give them .1% extra dps.
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u/dragrimmar 6h ago
almost every solution to the classic andy problem is Hardcore.
unironically.
min/max parsers are annoying and toxic? they pull aggro and rip at level 60.
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u/Ok-Security9093 6h ago
I'm a psychopath who wants to play all of the races and classes so I might as well be efficient with it.
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u/KhakiPantsJake 11h ago
Isn't the choice obvious? Pick the sub-optimal race and use it as an excuse for your shitty parses.