Forever
Yes, please new mounts! No, thanks no immersion breaking ghost mounts! I would love to see new race mounts with interesting features and some armor variety!
Since WC3 my favourite race is NE. I am tired of the same 3 mount models! So YES I want new mounts in WoW Forever. But I want mounts that:
are immersive (fit the race/lore)
stay true to the classic world / artstyle
stay decent (not overtuned in features)
Just to give some examples ...
class themed race mounts
a variety of armor/saddle versions
different fur/skin/feather/bone/metal colours
And if the devs cannot help themselves but implement a bear mount. Why is the bear spectral? Why not just a normal bear with a nice features? Why this immersion breaking ghost version?
Don't give me the "you don't have to use it" BS. It is also immersion breaking if others use it. And not using the spectral bear doesn't result in new mounts for my race.
AI created the moon tiger based on this prompt: "look at this world of warcraft mount versions. create a new version that is moon priest themed (add details). fur should have real fur colours. keep the art style and immersion!"
I just dont want them to fill the game with all kind of mount models simple cuz I enjoyed see rare mounts in the past. Pets and tmog idc abt but keeping mounts rare would be cool
I agree with you generally but seeing this bear will indeed be a rare mount. Like it will be genuinely cool and a little scary to see somebody in game who grinded out this bear
Fair point cuz you need 60 legacy points for this one right? Im just worried about store ones. Like I remember the mounts back in wotlk, few rare ones like invincible, mimiron head, ashes, onyxia. But I remember when the cata prepurchase or something rewarded that horse mount with the diablo angel wings and holyyyyyy it just was everywhere. Likewise for the mop long ass celestial dragon. I love mounts that show accomplishment thats why im just hopping sold ones are just basic or recolors ngl
Right. So I love this mount for that reason. I agree with you about the store ones. An astral bear or any kind of unique looking mount like this shouldn’t just be a credit card swipe. Hopefully that stays the case
Hell, for anyone who doesn't know, it's worse than you're making it sound. It's basically the "I beat the game." mount. To actually get enough points that you hit the bear it's...
Every class to 60, every profession to 300, all 4 BG reps to exalted, clear all the raids, and that's still leaving off the easy to do things like explore every zone and do a quest chain.
Until they add more point sources, things like the 4 BG reps are going to make this thing a year+ grind for the average player.
It is funny you mention it. I have never bought a single ingame store item in my whole live (in any game) but after seeing the AI generated version I started to reconsider ...
They will buy something that stands out enough and ia expensive enough to be the reason for not everone else having it. So its about making a smart supply here and demand will follow because they dont have other choice, its all a pissing contest at the end of the day. So blizz could tune them down and still sell the same amount.
That's part of it. I think you get around 20 points for that. But you'll also need to get everything explored, multiple exalted factions, pvp ranks, professiosns and more. It's definitely an investment
That’s not even comparable. Let’s be realistic about how many Spectral Tiger cards ever actually existed versus a perpetual marketplace you can buy it and gift to anyone.
The TCG added exclusivity and idc if a whale wants to hunt down a car or buy 50 boxes of TCG.
That’s not the same as logging in, seeing a new retail model mount on the storefront and swiping for $25
It's not really in the spirit of vanilla imo because that was extremely rare, which sorta just made it more acceptable because very few people had it.
An extremely rare mount kinda breaking the rules a bit is okay.
Closest I feel is "acceptable" would be an Undead horse that might have a bit of a "ghost aura".
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That said, while on the topic of mounts, semi-related:
I wouldn't mind some Cross-Race mounts.
Rather than cross-faction. (Wolf with Night-Elf armor, Cat with Orc-armor, etc.)
A Kodo with troll-decorations, feathers and wooden Mask.
A Raptor with Undead-style spikes and skulls.
A MechanoStrider with the metal head of a Ram. Was gonna say "That looks like a ram", but fully mechanical mounts might be immersion breaking, even if MechanoStrider are already a thing.
A Horse with Dwarven armor, helmet with Ram-horns.
Etc, Etc.
Would make sense that the races actually working together would be willing to lend eachother some equipment for their mounts
That all sounds awesome, TBH. And I’m really reserved regarding new mounts, mainly because I don’t trust Bliz’s track record of keeping mounts grounded and immersive.
But what about having spectral mounts as something available while dead? Essentially ghost mounts that you can use while dead to travel to your corpse faster.
They'd be locked behind a legacy talent of a higher tier, so something to work towards ultimately unlocking as you progress over several characters.
They couldn't be used while alive, just while dead to reach your corpse slightly faster than running.
That way they don't look unsightly and out of place, because it's well.. a ghost mount, for a ghost to ride on. And they don't clutter the overworld because you only see them while dead.
They remind me of the cheap kids toys where they make a translucent glittery version that they market as special when it really just requires less artist work/detail.
We really can't. Everything in OSRS is repeatable and is solo content. A 1/5000 pet on OSRS is a grind sure, but a 1/5000 drop from a dungeon boss would just mean lucky folk get it. Every item should be reasonably target farmable.
Finish this item: “Reins of the Crimson _______.” Why do people remember it? Because it was rare. And looked badass. Forever should absolutely implement super-rare E-Peen nolife items, it’s fun to see them once in a blue moon
They should make mounts a transmog type item. That way if you don't like the crazy look of some of them, you'll just never see them. Just keep the racial, class, and more realistic mounts that you earn from quests and such.
spectral tiger was awesome, and mainly so because it was the most rare mount in the game and you almost never saw it. i don’t mind some mount like that if 1/1000000 people have it
People successfully ran Stratholme, an end-game level 60 dungeon, with a level cap of 30, enough times in two weeks to drop the mount? This sounds unlikely.
Edit: I just looked up what the hell the black-market AH actually is. I only ever played Vanilla and Classic, so the concept was unfamiliar to me. The only thing that'll happen if they put Deathcharger's Reigns on there is that it'll lose all coolness factor. It's considered cool because it requires a ton of runs and luck. If they do that, given the rarity of the drop, that perception will change to "It's more likely that's a gold-buyer."
I really don't get this. This is a world filled with magic, Liches, ghosts, werewolves and cow people. It's absurd hearing people try to ground this in the game world.
spectral tiger was awesome, and mainly so because it was the most rare mount in the game and you almost never saw it. i don’t mind some mount like that if 1/1000000 people have it
Are we really making the realism argument?
I think you meant that aren't immersive, it's not a realistic game but it needs to fit the world that is established.,
Thematic consistency is incredibly important in a fantasy world. And moving away from that, is one of the main reasons why retail is a busy, bloated collectathon mess.
Theres a reason why a dragon mount fits better than a bee.
I hate how you explained the concept 100% clearly, and the responses are mostly just BS AKSHULY let me talk about some irrelevant semantics to deflect from the point you made...
For me its not that its a "ghost" bear but that it has a totally different art direction and fidelity..
Edit: The classic color pallet is a lot darker then retail while retail is more pastel colors, they are adding pastel colors into a dark color palette..
This seems like the most grounded response I’ve seen regarding this mount. If you don’t like the artwork or the fidelity then cool, but I think the idea of “immersion breaking” is becoming played out. The argument has its place for sure (personal opinion: I hate the newer robotic mounts of retail, it doesn’t scream “fantasy” to me), but I think we need to be more careful about drawing the line at “ghost bear” in a fantasy world with a floating undead ziggurat and a subsurface bug race, both of which have vanilla mounts stylized after them.
But the spectral tiger were the only one they had until like WOTLK or something, right..? I know Tol Barad introduced the spectral wolf and spectral steed, but that was in Cata if I remember correctly. When the spectral tiger was the only one I thought it was really cool to see in the wild since it was sooo rare!
It continually fascinates me that Retail players call various expansions Vanilla.
Not just TBC and WotLK, I've seen people call Cataclysm "Vanilla", it's baffling. Hell, I've seen someone basing an argument on Legion, six expansions in, being, somehow, Vanilla.
If you can't tell the artistic difference between the image you linked and the ghost bear, you're literally part of the problem of why there's an artistic identify crisis in WoW Forever.
Spectral Tiger came out almost a year into TBC, so you’re just-straight up wrong spouting that it’s a “Vanilla-“ thing (and I didn’t like them then either).
Everyone knows ghost mounts were in Wrath. The entire point is that this is not Wrath. Forever is supposed to be in the style/feel of Vanilla WoW. Or at least that is what most people wanted, myself included.
what is vanilla-wrath? the game changed a lot in that time and dalaran flying around like a protoss mothership was silly, idc if its canon. wrath is not a test case for what goes in classic imo
That's a ghost, indeed -- it's slightly bluish and slightly clear...but in retail, these days, "ghost" means blinding electric blue and glowing.
There really isnt any use trying to argue about aesthetic judgments...that ghost cat looks good, the blue bear looks bad. If you think retail things like the bear look good, well...I cant call you wrong, but I don't like the retail aesthetic personally and many seem to feel thr same considering the decline of the retail playerbase.
I mean, you have to ask real questions when the version of your game from 20 years ago is so much more popular than the current one. It's actually crazy and I can't think of anything that compares (other than runescape I suppose).
A lot of people hate the new Pokemon games (and I agree) but they still have way more active players than Pokemon games from 20 years ago I'm fairly certain. (Although that would actually mean Emerald and FRLG which probably are the most popular older versions, & then if you add in everyone playing romhacks of those...well it would be hard to get any accurate number there so nevermind but I think it's still less than current gen releases as bad as they are).
I don't know why, at a corporate level, WoW continues to be left in the same team's hands, when there has not been any forward or upward movement in over a decade aside from rereleasing an older version several times. Maybe behind the scenes they are seeing year over year revenue growth by more effective whale milking every year, but I kinda doubt it.
I honestly think they should also have a mount toggle similar to transmog. Turn it off you see all the mounts, turn it on people are just on their race mount. We know for a fact the store mounts are coming.
I couldnt care less about the mounts. Im going to use transmog and store mounts regardless. However if they're dead set on trying to please as many people as possible by finding middle grounds this is probably a good one.
turning off transmog and store mounts or space mounts is fine and is perfect for classic plus what are you on about nobody wants to see your fortnight transmog or mount. It’s a mmorpg with a specific art style and design pattern.
Is this just a complaint that you don't like ghost mounts generally? Because that is totally fine. If its a "retailafication" thing though, didn't the spectral tiger come out during TBC?
Spectral tiger was at least within the classic art direction, and was super duper rare. Insane if you ever saw one. Having retail looking spectral mounts all over the place would really pull away from the game being somewhat grounded
Tbf, that's... very few of them from a vanilla classic perspective. Mount visuals have gone off the rails since TBC. There are some less intrusive and cool things, like Midnight or the Raven Lord. But Nether Drakes are already quite over the top. Not to speak of Proto Drakes, Mammoths and Frostwyrms that came with WotLK. And since then it has only become bigger and crazier.
That's fair. I've never been overly bothered by whacky mounts (to a point. Truly nonsensical store type shenanigans can sometimes get an eye roll from me) but I can understand the sentiment
As much as I prefer Blizz to only release mounts that fit with the aesthetic of the game, I think it's an impossible battle because they will want to get money by selling cool cosmetics in the shop.
My pitch for how they can still make money without ruining the game for classic Andys is to make all purchaseable mount cosmetics into transmog appearances you apply to your actual mount.
So people with transmog off would only see real mounts earned in game, and mounts can maintain the feeling of prestige and power they had in vanilla.
Op is yet to see immersion breaking mounts. There are whole batch of flying squirrels on retail, whole ass shroom dinosaur, giant mouse and rideable pigs. You have seen the tip of what to come yet.
Excuse me it's immersion breaking for a ghost bear in a game where anthropomorphic animals talk to me and swing axes and tell me they love candles and shinys.
yes, but as more and more glowy/ethereal/fiery/sparkly/cool looking gear like that goes in, the more bland and washed out the rest of it looks. Like a rogue looks way less cool draped in a dark cloak when he's standing next to someone who's literally leaking shadows.
yeah, thats what I usually do, but it looks like yall are trying to get things I like removed from the game because it doesn't look like it was modeled in 1999.
"Immersion's really important to me... What the heck? They changed my favourite racial passive to be 2% instead of 3%? This shit's so unbalanced y'all, completely unplayable."
Whats with Forever snd and its obession with ghost forms and mounts? Its pretty boring. Like a ghost doesn't leave much room for artistic expression...
Was just saying this on another thread. Please, Blizzard. Start small with basic chromas like this and let the community drive the store. We understand MTX and cosmetics are inevitable, but let us have a say in what we want these things to look like!
Oh wow, a bear model from retail with a blue filter on it, amazing, I will surely do everything in my power to get me one of those because its so cool and original, must have taken so much effort. Maybe if they release the one with purple filter on it Samuel l Jackson can get that one.
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u/Amazing_Vanilla_7816 10h ago
I just dont want them to fill the game with all kind of mount models simple cuz I enjoyed see rare mounts in the past. Pets and tmog idc abt but keeping mounts rare would be cool