r/classicwow • u/rufrtho • 5h ago
Forever Wowhead's chief dataminer: "Personally, I think the community reaction may have made Blizzard reconsider [...] We datamined these mounts directly from the WoW Forever client. They're not present in Retail 12.1.7 or any other Classic client, not even as encrypted assets."
So these mounts are apparently intended for Retail (Or China Exclusive), not WoW Forever. Interesting.
Personally, I think the community reaction may have made Blizzard reconsider, and if that's the case, I see it as a good thing.
But here's what makes this interesting. We datamined these mounts directly from the WoW Forever client. They're not present in Retail 12.1.7 or any other Classic client, not even as encrypted assets.
I also have a hard time believing Blizzard accidentally pushed the decryption keys for these specific mounts through a hotfix.
And then there's the other curious stuff in the Forever client: the FisherFalk armor set, Pinky pet, Baby Murloc Thrall, and even an encrypted Mecha Devilsaur mount. These assets already exist in Retail, yet they're present in Forever too, encrypted with entirely new keys.
Did Blizzard see the community's reaction and reconsider their plans? That's just my personal theory, and I could be completely wrong.
But if datamining gave players a chance to voice their opinions, and Blizzard actually listened and adjusted their plans, I'd call that a win for everyone.
Maybe datamining isn't always the villain of the story after all. 🫡
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/datamined-in-the-latest-beta-build/2385060
original post from @Stiven_SRB, can't post twitter links here
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u/Riotgrrlia FOR THE FORSAKEN 4h ago
WoWHead also not too long ago incorrectly read the wrong EXP Tables in the Game and claimed Blizzard lied about that too.
Frankly right now the WoWHead Datamining Team continue to lose credibility from me not the other way around.
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u/Plastic-Lemons 3h ago
They also thought that runes from SoD were coming back due to them misreading the first patch day datamine
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u/The_Dunk 3h ago
Yeah their credibility hasn’t been awesome lately. Honestly bros are probably just asking Claude to run their data mining processes for them and aren’t checking its work at all.
It’s possible for sure but I see little advantage Blizzard could gain by lying in this scenario.
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u/SirSaltie 3h ago
Devs may also just be porting in retail/new assets with the intent of telling the art team to adjust them. Data mining means nothing until we see the live game.
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u/ogzogz 3h ago
Good point. What WAS their response to that btw?
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u/Riotgrrlia FOR THE FORSAKEN 2h ago
They retracted the story after Blizzard told them their information was wrong.
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u/checkingmate 5h ago
Imagine being a chief dataminer
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u/TheClassicAndyDev 4h ago
Professionally unemployed
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u/Ramenface2508 4h ago
1% commentator. the jokes write themselves
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u/Coolmyco 3h ago
Someone else informed me that the top 1% is just about getting a highly upvoted comment, not a comment volume measurement.
Still funny though
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u/notfakegodz 32m ago
it's so easy to browse reddit while working.
it's like i think one of many reason people can stomach having this thing called "job" (derogatory).
Never understand the "You browse internet too much, you must be unemployed" type insult. If you're someone that had to be active sure, like being a moderator? idk how difficult datamining wow is though. never looked into it. Maybe you can do that while working too.
Here i am playing WoW, browsing internet AND working at same time.
I salute people whose work require full attentions though.
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u/jarlander 4h ago
I’m going to go with that part where he said “I could be completely wrong” sounds the most realistic.
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u/Dankamonius 3h ago
I mean didn't Wowhead post an article that was completely unsubstantiated very recently that got the community in an uproar and now this 'chief dataminer' is posting his 100% speculative conspiracy theories that Blizzard are actually lying.
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u/Afraid_Wave_1156 3h ago
It was exp tables and it was proven false and Wowhead had to retract the story.
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u/vanilla_disco 4h ago edited 3h ago
Are these the same fucking idiots that datamined XP per level changes but it was the completely wrong version and it all turned out to be wrong?
Yeah, sorry, but Wowhead is an AI slop driven website that I have 0 faith in
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u/Reasonable-Room1123 2h ago
Wowhead is an AI slop driven website
At least their class guides gets better when AI writes them
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u/_BreakingGood_ 5h ago
why are they just ignoring the fact that their data mined slop posts have had many many different errors every single week? what's different about this particular one?
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u/rufrtho 4h ago
A lot of datamined info contains vestigal entries, like abilities or items that were tested for WoW Forever and then cut. This is normal and expected.
However, the bluepost for the mounts specifically said they were "not intended for this version of World of Warcraft." This is unusual because the mounts were not found in any other version.
It suggests that Blizzard may have intended it for Forever and then changed their minds.
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u/idkmanfiller 2h ago
It seems more likely that it's for 12.2 or some other future version of Midnight and was correctly cleaned from 12.1.5 or whatever, but they didn't think to do it for Forever (which is forked from the modern client) because the mounts aren't for that version
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u/wartortlechortle 4h ago
Or maybe they intended it for retail and snuck it into Forever to see what data people were digging into.
Not the worst way to see where things are coming and going.
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u/GuyWithFace 3h ago
Could also simply be that Forever is a branch of the retail build. Forever was updated more recently than retail was, and it's possible the mounts were added to the database between the time retail and forever were each updated.
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u/wartortlechortle 3h ago
That too.
There's many legitimate reasons it could have appeared without being a stupid conspiracy theory.
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u/keyboardturn 3h ago
i'm just gonna mention, firstly obviously this (Stiven's post) was written by AI, secondly we have no idea which client it's intended for (retail or otherwise). we can speculate, but "these mounts are apparently intended for Retail" is an assumption/leap of Claude. I personally believe they could be for the China client but again nothing to support that yet.
Gonna be real idk why he does what he does but Stiven has liked to do this sort of flaming bait shit to rile everyone up. I'm a dataminer myself, i don't post much on Classic tbh, but i usually know when to shut the fuck up about what i don't know or other stuff that should remain under wraps, he likes to purposefully poke the metaphorical classic bear and "hint" at certain things to get people mad. maybe his brain is cooked by AI or some shit idk. He basically purposefully posts misinformation, and this time Blizz had to clarify about it because of his antics. It's really annoying to see and makes everyone look bad.
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u/MotorGlittering5448 2h ago edited 1h ago
I'm so glad someone else brought this up.
I remember before Stiven was employed by Wowhead, he was often on MMO Champion's forums posting what he had datamined. His findings were often at the center of speculation for each patch and expansion on those forums.
MMO Champion is also fairly toxic and divisive, and that hasn't ever really changed. I'm sure he got used to some positive attention for finding stuff before most other people, and it seems like he enjoyed seeing the chaos unfold from what he datamined on the forums. Seems he still likes doing that today on Twitter and whatever else.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 5h ago
Its posts like these that cause Blizzard to regret interacting with the community. They could have ignored everything and done what they wanted. Instead they gave us more info. Spitting on that attempt at good will is bad form.
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u/DrainTheMuck 5h ago
What? Isn’t the post just saying “seems like Blizz listened to feedback”? How is that spitting on them? lol
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 5h ago
No, it is indirectly calling Blizzard liars. The dataminers are insinuating that the mounts were made for Forever because thats where they datamined them.
But here's what makes this interesting. We datamined these mounts directly from the WoW Forever client. They're not present in Retail 12.1.7 or any other Classic client, not even as encrypted assets.
I also have a hard time believing Blizzard accidentally pushed the decryption keys for these specific mounts through a hotfix.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 5h ago
So you agree it may just have been intended to release into Forever then?
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
Possibly. Next time Blizzard will just leave us in the dark and avoid giving the 'chief dataminer' a reason to stroke his own ego.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 4h ago
You're very fixated on that part, idc about the guy but the information he provides is still interesting: if the mounts only exist on the Forever client, chances are they were intended to go live there, and therefore Blizzard lied and listened to feedback.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
What is your point? I do not agree with the narrative the dataminer is pushing and believe posts like this are part of why Blizzard avoids communicating with players as much.
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u/lingzhui 4h ago
You are treating Blizzard as if it were a mentally ill person with trust issues instead of a multi million dollar company pushing products
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
Nope, I am treating this 'chief dataminer' being childish as being childish and negative for the community.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 4h ago
Blizzard should avoid communicating with players too much, but these kinds of things is not the reason. Adding giant chicken mounts to a game that's supposed to be respectful of the origin of the game is laughable. Feedback that that's a terrible idea is warranted. If the playerbase knows whether it was a mistake or not they will more accurately be able to give feedback to change what gets added in the future.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
Okay and they gave us clarification on the mounts. This dataminer should have been quiet and taken the win. Making some snarky post like this is childish towards Blizzard when they just gave us clarifying info.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 4h ago
People believing it was a mistake means they'll let it go, if they're aware that it's a lie (if true) they'll be able to give clearer feedback on it. Shouldn't be hard to understand.
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u/pudgehooks2013 38m ago
Blizzard are liars, and have been lying to you since Forever was announced.
They made a bunch of claims and are slowly backtracking on literally all of them.
Horizontal Progression... well not really.
RMT crackdown... well not really.
Classic feel... well not really.
Community focused gameplay... well not really.
etc, etc, etc.
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u/Jordanel17 5h ago
I didnt read anything about this post as spitting at blizzard. This to me sounds like a rally to the playerbase to continue voicing their opinions because they matter and blizzard listens.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 5h ago
The 'chief dataminer' is insinuating the assets were for Forever and Blizzard lied about that. This isn't a rally, its a brag from dataminers about what they think blizzard did.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 4h ago
It can be both.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
Why are you defending this dataminer stroking his own ego? Blizzard clarified things and that should have been it. Making up some sort of conspiracy is childish
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u/Various_Necessary_45 4h ago
Why do you even care about the guy? Blizzard 'clarifying' can be them lying and listening to feedback about mounts that don't fit into Forever at all.
The playerbase being aware of that possibility means they're able to predict what types of cosmetics Blizzard will try to add.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
I care because this dataminer will rally people like you into believing some story he made up to make himself sound important. Blizzard will then be more cautious communicating with all of us.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 4h ago
Okay man.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
You are free to admit you were wrong and this dataminer is being childish. I will extend the olive branch first.
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u/Various_Necessary_45 4h ago
Haha, I'm not wrong, and I have no idea if the dataminer is childish because he doesn't matter. If what he says is true (mounts only existing on Forever) then that's interesting, nothing more.
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u/schmink13 4h ago
So when your parents told you the Easter bunny was real would it be a conspiracy to question the truth, their motives and make you wonder what else they may be lying about?
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u/CookyKindred 4h ago
Hes actively accusing blizzard of lying and is aggrandizing themself.
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u/SeaofCrags 4h ago edited 4h ago
Omfg the bootlicking is crazy.
Its clear the feedback was very against those mounts, and we had lots of you people saying 'durr hurr the mounts are fine' simultaneously. Even in the comments in this thread there's a couple people saying the mounts were fine.
And now when they potentially rowed back on this, because they were clearly very unpopular, once again, we have you people saying 'nuh uh it was never supposed to be in the game anyway'.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
I am convinced you do not understand what is going on
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u/SeaofCrags 4h ago
I'm convinced you move the goalposts to defend whatever Blizzard position you can.
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
I have stayed exactly the same. I think this dataminer is stroking his own ego at the expense of all of us and the community should shame that.
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u/Pollia 4h ago
What moved goalposts?
The mounts got data mined.
Blizzard directly says they were meant for retail and not for forever.
Dataminer effectively calls blizzard a liar.
The original goal post was always "datamining, especially in forever, is somewhat unreliable currently so take it with a grain of salt" and blizzard had now directly stated they're not for Forever.
Where's the moved goal post?
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u/xiaopewpew 3h ago
You talk like they discovered English yesterday, just randomly taking up phrases and tossing it around lol. “Move the goalpost”?
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u/pudgehooks2013 34m ago
I gotta ask, are you employed by Blizzard?
Because if you aren't, you should contact them. Wow.
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u/SpunkMcKullins 4h ago
Sorry but what the hell are you lamenting here? If it's true, a business listened to their upset customers and shifted plans.
They're a fucking business, they're making money. It's not our job to subsidize a bunch of artists to sit around and doodle shit all day.
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u/SystemofCells 4h ago
The datamining community is throwing a bitch fit because Blizzard has taken steps to make them less useful.
Stuff from different versions cross contaminates. More in encrypted than in the past. They might even be planting false stuff. Dataminers are pissed cause they used be able to consistently catch Blizzard with their pants down, now they can't.
So calling Blizzard liars for communicating on this feels pretty scummy.
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u/Diffusion4Change 3h ago
They are so pissed that they are encrypting shit now and can't get more views on their sites. Fuck em I hope they encrypt every god damn model.
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u/GenderJuicy 4h ago edited 4h ago
And if I don't like the product, I can complain, because I want to like the product and they should know where they went wrong so it can be better. Would you rather eat somewhere that fucks up your order and immediately corrects it, or somewhere that refuses to correct it or even compensate, and divert the blame onto you for complaining, let alone try to trick you into thinking there was never even an issue?
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u/WrongOpinionOnly 4h ago
Don't apologize, stand on your statement big guy. Your characterization of this drama is not accurate. You should read up some and come back.
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u/Mega_Dankus 4h ago
Good will? We are customers. How are people forgetting that this game isnt free. The only people who really care about how good this game is received is Blizzard. Anything they do that we don't like is a step into the grave for WoW as a whole. They NEED to nail this. I dont give a shit what they do because if I dont like it, there are thousands of other games to play. Better impress me with more than your breast milk thieving skills.
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u/BroForceOne 2h ago
Don’t forget Wowhead is also a business selling a product and you are its customers as well.
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u/CookyKindred 4h ago
Yes good will. When communities start shit and become turbo toxic it scares off devs from ever engaging. WoW has HAD THIS PROBLEM BEFORE. Where Devs completely refused to engage with the community because of how awful it is.
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u/schmink13 4h ago
Don’t turn a great product into shit and it won’t happen 🤷🤷♂️
And they’re doing it again
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u/jkiddingx 3h ago
The devs rely on the players. Not the other way around. They are beholden to the players. Not the other way around. Seize the means of production my friend. The only thing you have to lose are your chains.
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u/CookyKindred 3h ago
The larp is insane.
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u/echo_tempest_plz 3h ago
Is it any surprise that there’s lots of fans of World of Warcraft who are poorly socialized individuals incapable of considering anything apart from their unreasoned conclusions?
This profile fits very well when creating a theory of mind for the people who bark “we are the customers!”
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u/Euphoric_Peak_3914 4h ago
The WoW community has a bad reputation for being pay piggies and slurping up whatever MTX daddy blizz throws in a SUBSCRIPTION GAME. When people did push back against MTX in TBC Classic with the /spit debacle, blizzard censored the emote to protect their piggies and forced more and more MTX into Classic. They don't respect their players.
The fact they can re-release a scuffed version of vanilla again with minor changes that look embarrassing when compared to Classic + private servers and have it become their largest launch ever should be enough money for them. But no, they want MTX on day 1.
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u/dumxblonde 3h ago
I get why peoplea are unhappy, but if these were planned for the store, they probably still would be. Most people are fine with these things and would buy them. Reddit may disagree but hop on retail and tour some neighborhoods or sit in Silvermoon for 10 minutes. Every. Single. Person. has something store bought, many things in fact.
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u/frazzle_d 4h ago
So now we're starting with the conspiracy theories...
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u/Ok-Armadillo5821 4h ago
Yeah, they are never going to add tokens and lvl boots to classic wo..... Oh...
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u/frazzle_d 3h ago
The hissy fit people were throwing today was about transmogs and mounts so this isn't even relevant to the conversation.
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u/whoxcaresxixdont 4h ago
im gonna be optimistic and it was the devs way of teaching the bean counties not to fk this up
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u/undeniableregarded 4h ago
Didn't blizzard literally say that they would add false things in the beta so that data mining wouldn't find/solve everything?
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u/TubaStinky 4h ago
Dumb ass reasoning on their part. Forever is the version of the game with the most active development going on so it stands to reason that the currently available beta client is much newer than the builds being used in Classic and retail at the moment, which could definitely mean assets are in that client that are not in other versions yet.
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u/bronzekobold 4h ago
Okay I won't lie.
I don't like data mining.
I want to go back to us discovering shit in game and not having some bored nerds go. "Lemme just dump spoilers about future content like we're journalists breaking a news story."
Like fuck sake.
Let me try and enjoy an ounce of wonder.
As for this? Cool whatever. Add the mounts don't add the mounts. Whatever.
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u/beenbanned109times 2h ago
Hardly anything in retail vanilla was discovered by encountering it in game, there was datamining going on, you just didn't know where to look.
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u/Blashtik 2h ago
The difference from then and now is that back then most people had no idea where to look and weren't likely to stumble on people talking about it. Now, you just have to browse reddit and you'll see people openly discussing the datamined stuff. The chicken mount post that's up right now on this subreddit is a media post that isn't spoiler tagged.
It's simply more difficult to avoid being spoiled by datamined info rather than getting to discover it. Even if you avoid reddit, the forums, and of course wowhead, the normalization of treating this info as open means that friends/guildies are also likely to casually drop the info on you.
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u/little_hoe 4h ago
Chief dataminer:
"Maybe datamining isn't always the villain of the story after all. 🫡"
Cool
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u/ObiWanIsMyDog 4h ago
Blizzard " dont trust datamines we've done thigns to prevent you from seeing stuff"
Dataminers "Liars! ITS REAL"
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u/_ratjesus_ 3h ago
a lot of the different wows share files, we found a ton of stuff about forever before it's announcement in the china titanforge client, it is quite possible that this is the same situation and that the mounts will show up on retail patch 12.2 or the next titanforge client patch, the fisher armor for example is in all versions of the game minus era but is only available in china. all of the china exclusive stuff ends up in the data for the american client, they have exclusive cosmetics in every version of wow they will have exclusives in forever too.
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u/JMAN_JMAN_JMAN 5h ago
They did the same shit with each new version of classic... why is anyone surprised?
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u/MaxtheGrape 5h ago
Here we go.
This will be the vindication these people needed.
“SEE!? My tantrum is what SAVED US from the Chicken!”
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u/Turbulent-Leading-34 4h ago
If I can’t get a cool wolf mount because of the losers that can’t handle change I will be sad
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u/wartortlechortle 4h ago
I exclusively play classic. I liked the mounts.
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u/RainOps 3h ago
I liked them too. I thought a remix of the old TCG mounts was a pretty good fit to a remix of classic WoW.
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u/naarcx 3h ago
Yeah, it's crazy. It's almost like there's a whole other wow product out there called Classic that can be exclusively classic. I cannot understand why so many people want Forever to be identical to Classic, that does nothing except make both games less played and weak
I understand people are like all change = bad, but the other game is literally right over there
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u/Kawaii_Five-Oh 5h ago
Datamining super useful and needed and deserving of a salary according to wowhead 'chief dataminer'.
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u/chunkymeatwater 4h ago
Why would devs implement shop mounts? Because someone in management told them they have to.
They wouldn't back out and completely undo it if everyone freaked out. That would be a huge loss after planning for a lot of profits.
That wouldn't be a "the ghost wolf glows too much fix it" change. If that kinda money is on the table they're not gonna back out easy.
For all we know they did it to troll everyone.
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u/andynator1000 2h ago
They can just go back to the drawing board and come up with some more fitting store mounts. It's not like creating 3 mounts is some herculean task.
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u/WongersPhase 3h ago
The data miner should shut the fuck up and let Blizzard do what they want instead of trying to sway public opinion.
wowhead is a cancer of a site
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u/Jaiden_da_ancom 5h ago
The way people reacted to these mounts was insane. You would have thought blizzard asked them to fuck off personally.
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u/ImpossibleRatio7430 4h ago
They essentially did. The ghost wolf was ok but the chicken would have been a slap in the face to the entire classic community. Diablo immortal moment.
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u/ObiWanIsMyDog 4h ago
I woulda rode the shit out of that chicken. Every classic Andy believes the slope can't be started. Yes... the game is allowed to be different from classic
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u/ImpossibleRatio7430 4h ago
Yeah man I agree. Dual spec? Good. New zones? Good. New quests? Good. New races? Good. New mounts? Good. New raids and dungeons? Good. New BGs? Good. New abilities to balance specs? Good.
Gigantic chicken mount with HD textures? ______
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u/ObiWanIsMyDog 2h ago
Yeah hilarious to see Blizz response on this one. I don’t mind silly personally. I do not have this serious attachment to these 2006 graphics
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u/BigBlue31 4h ago
Go outside
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u/cdcformatc 4h ago
anytime someone says "slap in the face" when referring to a video game you can safely ignore their opinion
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u/The_Dark_Tetrad 4h ago
Dude I would 100% love to ride that chicken and no im not a retail andy in the slightest
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u/ImpossibleRatio7430 4h ago
I’m sure you would love it I play retail too and it’s full of that shit. Say it with me: slippery slope
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u/RedBreadRetention 2h ago
If they added that giant chicken mount to the game you just know every Tom, Dick and Harry in Org and Stormwind would be riding that fuck. At least when it was a TCG loot it was 1. modelled/textured appropriately for the era and 2. was exclusive so you didn't just have 50,000 people clucking their cocks in your face.
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u/MotorOutside8648 3h ago
This community is batshit insane man. Those mounts are cool and I want them, but, you know, MAH IMMERSION
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u/iHighjinx 2h ago
This is WoW Forever not Classic they are adding races, dungeons, raids, potentially new classes. Guess what they are probably going to add new mounts too. Why is that so hard for people to understand.
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u/hernitcarb 1h ago
New mounts are obviously fine. Paying for them is the problem. Cool mounts should be earned not bought with cash.
They should also not look like Disney slop.
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u/Ass_Blasties 13m ago
If they put even an ounce of effort into the mounts instead of just flipping unused retail assets, people wouldn’t be mad
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u/Olivr_A 5h ago
This is exactly what I was thinking. They saw the reaction and quickly changed their mind. You don't just put unique assets in the game and intend for them to be for another game.
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u/SystemGardener 4h ago
I mean they’re probably developing a Chinese version at the same time now? I wouldn’t be surprised if it overlapped asset wise in the back end, especially during a beta.
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u/wessco5 4h ago
People still in denial... This is just another Cash cow they're going to milk the death. Just like retail. You were warned....again
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u/ayayea 4h ago
Posts like this are totally missing the point. You can milk a franchise without ruining it’s vision. These two are not mutually exclusive, meaning, sell fucking mounts that fit the vibe
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u/Spazgrim 3h ago
I honestly disagree, the moment the game's purpose is to milk the players instead of providing a good game it's kinda cooked
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u/Burrito_Pls 2h ago
For profit companies prioritize making profits. More news at 11.
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u/andynator1000 2h ago
Blizzard has always been a for profit company. They didn't always choose to milk their players at the expense of the game.
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u/Protip19 54m ago
For profit companies generally shouldn't sacrifice the quality of their product to increase profits. Its shortsighted and sacrifices long term profits for short term ones. Its how private equity is ruining so many beloved brands lately.
Much better to focus on the quality of your product, and let the increased profits come from growing your market.
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u/Burrito_Pls 49m ago
That is a very cute outlook.
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u/Protip19 40m ago
Why? Its true. Do you think Nintendo would be making a good business decision by adding microtransactions to the new Ocarina of Time remake?
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u/Burrito_Pls 36m ago
Do you think you are a better financial planner than Microsoft or McDonalds or the plethora of other billion dollar companies? If so, you are likely very underpaid for your skill set!
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u/Protip19 29m ago
No, why? Weird question. Curious what point you think you're making with it.
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u/Burrito_Pls 24m ago
"For profit companies generally shouldn't sacrifice the quality of their product to increase profits" is your claim. If you believe this is true and you can prove it, you should find work fixing the business plan for the plethora of billion dollar companies who disagree. Or you can accept that they actually have the data on it and understand the trade-off they are making to sacrifice quality for profit and have determined it to be a worthwhile trade off. Your feelings surely know more than the people who actually have the numbers.
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u/Bitter_Basis_9604 3h ago
Why did anyone ever think they weren't going to sell mounts when an entire race is locked behind a paywall. Easy fix would be allow a toggle where people cant see smog and store mounts all appear to people who toggle smog off as some basic mount.
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u/Apptubrutae 4h ago
Nah, I dunno, they’re owned by some little tech company founded in Albuquerque of all places.
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u/Orpheus_148 4h ago
You're absolutely right, and I'm shocked there's not more in it already. Maybe they are trying to farm goodwill with the player base before slowly easing it into the game. I think we'll have a good idea by the end of next summer.
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u/Dangerous-Leader-779 4h ago
This datamined slop contains errors almost weekly. This should not be a surprise.
“Not intended for this version” could straight up mean it’s intended for Asia Wow Forever, not NA.
Maybe it was meant for all, and now they’ll backtrack and only release it in Asia or not at all.
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u/TheFudster 2h ago
How about they put them in there and “leaked” the keys just to gauge the scale of the negative reaction? Knowing they’d be immediately datamined. These kinda “leaks” happen all the time. 🙄
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u/DucksMatter 2h ago
This beta needs to hurry up and end and this game needs to hurry up and release so I can watch this subreddit melt down when everyone loses their characters.
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u/SeriousLee91 1h ago
This beta should run for another 6month because its rushed! and there is many problems with just classes
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u/Alexandarar 42m ago
True tbh. They rushed this release and it’s going to be very scuffed on release. Also layering is ass
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u/Clitoris_Mal_Passado 5h ago
That's some genius move by Blizzard.
Asking how the community feels about it in Forever without having to actually ask.
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u/Pharmaguardian 4h ago
I mean, it could also be intentional poisoning of the well to data-miners, to make people question the authenticity of their information. I don't think Blizzard particularly likes them, because it causes data-miners to be the first to release new information about content. By placing unused assets into the files, knowing data-miners will find it and publish it, then saying "jk - we weren't actually going to put that into the game", causes players to take data-mined info with a grain of salt.
Having said that, if Blizzard is trying to gauge interest in this covert way, it doesn't surprise me at all of the community's reaction to it. Many people view Forever as Classic+ or at least the closest thing to it, and the flashy bullshit of retail is one thing they really do not like.
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u/Nac_Lac 3h ago
I have slowly been losing all faith in wowhead. It's a toxic site that has been milking the users for all they're worth. The breathless reporting and data mining has got to stop.
Let the game breathe, focus on the people instead of countless fluff articles that do nothing to add to the conversation.
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u/throwable_armadillo 4h ago
now they just have to convince the retail team to at least put them in their data storage for the next patch so it looks convincing
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u/raider91J 3h ago
“But if datamining gave players a chance to voice their opinions, and Blizzard actually listened and adjusted their plans, I'd call that a win for everyone.
Maybe datamining isn't always the villain of the story after all.”
Maybe if this story I’ve completely made up is true, I am a hero after all
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u/wartortlechortle 4h ago
Isn't Murloc Thrall from retail? Why wouldn't a baby version be for retail...?
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u/krombopulos2112 2h ago
The whole concept of data mining just rubs me the wrong way as a dev. Considering the amount of times random shit gets left in the source code that might make it into a build, it’s no wonder they might interpret something completely differently than reality
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u/SIickShoes_ 55m ago
Blizzard aren’t making any decisions that quickly, wowhead is absolute garbage as well when they used to be great
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u/Love_green_tea86 3m ago
Dataminer justifies data mining. Shocking.
Maybe people overreact and are now trying to justify their actions.
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u/Straightupnotcool 2h ago
Yeah let’s scrap all the fun content because crybabies want classic era “forever”
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u/Hefty_Koala_9716 4h ago
A mecha devilsaur would be kinda cool actually. Too big to be a mount though. Maybe as a dungeon or raid boss.
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u/ElysiumSocialMember 3h ago
this is the same guy who told us forever exp to 60 was nerfed by 30% and then turns out he was looking at legion exp values instead btw
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u/Korillo 3h ago
Retail WoW used to have Ion do monthly updates and videos, and his words would often inspire hope that positive change would be coming. However, his words very rarely matched the action.
The WoW forever dev interviews and podcasts have matched that same energy. Their words do not match their actions. I will attempt to remain cautiously optimistic, but I don't actually believe their team is capable of thinking outside of a modern/retail sort of perspective.
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u/MemorySnake 53m ago
Blizzard also came out and said take any data mine with a grain of salt since they are putting in stuff they won't be using as to throw off the results.
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u/Budget-Ocelots 4h ago
Please reconsider again.
I need Blizzard to add more shop mounts. There are thousands and thousands of new players on Nov 4 that have never played WoW, and these players have disposable income. Same with WoW players who are returning for WoWF.
And honestly, I really want that big red rooster. It looks good on gnome.
Q4 report is due in 2 months. Pump those earnings up with store mounts.
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u/blahs44 3h ago
My guess is they are for China but got shipped in our build as well
I've never played on China but I would guess they love spending money and don't care about SD models