- B2 is way harder than most people think. I know countless people (my past self included) who thought they were B2 because they were comfortable having conversations in their TL. In reality they are B1 or even A2.

From now on I will forever be sceptical on someone's ability if they claim a certain level without having had formal classes or having taken an exam.

- Common language learning advice such as heavy CI, Anki, and regular speaking practice is misleading at worse and limited at best. I spent years using these methods and was at a total plateau without understanding why.

'Passive' CI is one tool, but it must be supplemented with more intensive listening. Understanding ~90% - or the gist- of a conversation almost certainly means you miss important details. Intensive listening works your ability to extract these details.

With Anki, it's one thing forcing yourself to recognise and recall words using SRS, and i think this is good for learning basic vocab (animals, seasons, bodyparts) but once you get to B2, you must be able to understand complex vocab and phrases inside out - including the nuances between them. This is done by researching the word itself and prompting yourself to make useful sentences out of them.

For speaking, unless you're very lucky or have a professional teacher, you will very rarely be corrected when you make mistakes, and much less be shown better alternatives if your speech is understandable but unnatural. In addition, many of your daily conversations won't be at a high enough level to be challenging. Try recording yourself presenting arguments on a complex topic and you will realise how much you still have to learn, not just in more complicated vocab but also in your use of connectors. Show the recording to a professional teacher or even an AI for feedback.

Note - I am aware that this subreddit is not for specific languages, but Arabic as a language tree is quite large and I think might be applicable to people studying more than the dialect that I am asking about, as well as those studying languages with few resources in general.

Hello! I was wondering if anyone has found any luck mining for Arabic, with appreciation for Egyptian specific details, but any advice regarding less common languages in general would also be helpful.

There are a few videos on youtube that have egyptian arabic and English subtitles, however these are the minority. What do you all suggest for languages that have extremely limited options?

At best I'll find Arabic videos that have subtitles in English, but no Arabic. Sometimes the other way around. Sometimes they're burned in the video, and sometimes they're not. Either way, incredibly inconsistent. I am about 2 years into Arabic study, so I have a good amount of vocabulary down. Listening is definitely my weakness and I attribute to a lack of enjoyable listening practice experiences.

Any suggestions? Thanks! (TL)

edit - Any suggestions for how to use anki in this progress would be amazing. None of the tools have Arabic options that I know about, and if they do, it's kind of moot without the youtube subs anyways.

Sorry for the baity title. This isn’t my point but rather a point that someone else raised in a conversation I was having. My acquaintance asked about what’s the point of learning grammar well in another language if you can be understood. That is to say, what is the point of fixing tense errors, structure errors etc, or knowing grammar well in general if the other person can understand you. I disagree personally but I didn’t have any good way to articulate my thoughts, so I was curious what you guys think? Is there a point to knowing grammar well in another language?

How do you respond if someone asks if you speak (TL)? In the past I would say "I speak a little bit" in the (TL). However, as my ability in the (TL) has improved, "a little bit" no longer accurately reflects my current level. Also it seems like if I say "a little bit" native speakers are less likely to try and talk to me in the (TL). Maybe they feel like its not worth the effort to communicate in the (TL) if I only speak "a little bit". Should I just say yes?" How do you respond?

I’ve been learning Greek since last year and in May got a distinction in A2. I have considered at various points whether I should start a TikTok but have always put it off.

I like the idea of documenting my journey but ethically I wouldn’t be able to do the usual thing where you film random interactions with people, even if the camera was pointed at just my face.

I’m sure there are other ways to run an account, eg to just talk about what I’ve been learning.

Then the other thing I’ve noticed is a lot of language bloggers (generally - not just for Greek) have quite a low level of their TL, I would say most never go above A1. This is partially why I think I’d like to have an account as a more serious learner.

The last thing stopping me is I’d be afraid of it causing me problems at work (eg if I fell behind work and meanwhile they could see me running a TikTok)

Would love to get people’s thoughts on if you’ve ever thought of starting a TikTok and if not, why not.

Hello! Basically, I am intermediate in Spanish (TL) since a couple of years ago now, but lately my listening has improved to the point where I can listen to a decent amount of native content and understand it. I didn't practice properly for a year or so but my Spanish didn't really decline. I'm now practicing reading as well, and speaking.

Effectively I'm in that position where I know a lot of constructions passively, but I couldn't generate them myself without thinking for a bit, and some I wouldn't remember independently at all. The classic 'I can understand but can't speak (very well)'. However I have sort of passively internalised a lot of stuff to to the point where when I 'guess', it's often correct, or mostly correct.

But big issue is how I concretely tackle my speaking hurdle from here. I'm practicing speaking 20 minutes a day currently (with 10 minutes of prep/looking over the constructions I want to practice, then I pretty much just riff). Because I learnt Spanish mostly from input, I never formally learnt a lot of grammar structures so I'm isolating B1-B2 ones with a page of grammar notes and examples so I can practice those in particular. Does this sound good? Are there any other really good things I could be doing?

I am also thinking of incorporating watching a video in Spanish, writing down some structures I like, and speaking about what the speaker was discussing (I used to do this a bit). I'll change some of my 20 minute sessions to this. When I have a job I'll pay for a tutor for an hour a week. Interested in other recommendations people think helped them a lot! I am still doing a ton of input to support my output, so no slacking there (I aim for at least 1 hour of input per day).

I'm also interested in things I can do that aren't speaking per se, but that help it along. I've heard recording my speaking sessions and listening to them back is good, but idk really why. I've also incorporated a strategy where when I'm reading example sentences or really anything I look away and try to construct myself what the sentence I just read was, or reconstruct the sentence I just heard (effectively shadowing that incorporates some active recall). I’ve also heard for stock sentences that everyone says at some point, to just create flashcards for those directly and ‘cram’ them, effectively - is this a good idea? I just wonder if I'm missing something that'll help a lot... thank you for any suggestions!

(I've read the FAQ and such and believe this is okay, let me know if not).

I live in a country that in the past had an intense flow of immigration to my home country, creating a huge diaspora, causing many descendants of the diaspora to move back here for better quality of life or economical reasons.

(TL)

I am not a descendant myself, I happened to marry a local and moved here a few years ago. I have two children I’m raising in here and I make sure they learn my mother language, their heritage language, by teaching them and speaking strictly on my language (which I’m being successful at) while they’re fully immersed in the local language in the school and everyday life. At home me and my wife communicate in English and our kids are slowly absorbing English as well as attending English classe.

Now my point, I have a few friends who are descendants on 2nd and 3rd generations who made their way back and are not seen as locals, even though they believe so. A few of those friends said they will not bother teaching their kids our mother language because their lives are here, which I consider something deeply egoistical if not plainly dumb. I don’t think the language belongs to the father or mother per s, but to the child, the parent has only the obligation to pass it along.

I was raised in the advice that both my parents came from the working class and managed to grow a few steps in the social class stair, therefore I have to manage to at least keep the life conditions they achieved and provide to my kids what was provided to me. On the same token I see it as families who manage to leave their kids some wealth/estate, therefore the recipients of such inheritance should strive to keep it and pass it along to their kids who should manage to grow it or at least preserve it for the next generations, so they should do the same for the language.

What is your take on this?

I have a 1406 days Duolingo streak and am considering quitting it. I am wondering if there is anyone else here who quit after using it for a long time and is willing to share their experience?

Duolingo had been great at getting me started and practicing Spanish (TL) consistently every day, but I feel that I am not improving fast enough considering how much time I spend. I have a plan based on my previous experience studying English many years ago, and I know what works for me. However, I am wondering if I can stay motivated and practice consistently, because learning English was not optional (I immigrated to Canada), but I can definitely survive without Spanish.

So, if you quit Duolingo, how did it go for you?

Hi, everyone!

I've been struggling with this one for a while now, so wanted to ask here.

Assuming you already know the words in your (TL) and can process them given enough time, how do you personally get accustomed to numbers when spoken at a regular pace?

I'm curious to see how you all work on this. Thank you! :>

I don't have many friends learning Chinese (TL) so posting here to celebrate. I've been learning Chinese for around 21 months, and just finished all 150 lessons of Pimsleur Mandarin. (I only started Pimsleur a year in, and took a few months off; if you do it non-stop it takes 5 months).

How did I do it?

I mostly listened to one lesson a day while making dinner. I tried doing it while driving, but quickly realized this is actually dangerous as it requires a lot of concentration and active participation. I also sometimes listened to it while running or at the gym (need to whisper to yourself at the gym). You shouldn't do more than 1 lesson per day, but doubling up episodes (e.g. lessons 14 and 15 one day, 15 and 16 the next) or doing other languages works well. You're not supposed to pause, but I did have to rewind by 15 seconds very often.

Yes it is dull, sometimes excruciating, but it is extremely effective. You do learn a surprisingly wide range of vocabulary and cultural points esp. in the higher levels.

I added the vocab from each lesson into Skritter (unfortunately not in an organized way until Level 5. If you are starting fresh it would be great to make Skritter decks for each level, their support team told me they gift you 2 months free subscription per deck!). I did a couple hundred Skritter cards daily.

What were the results?

I am able to speak relatively confidently about basic things, though I still need the other person to speak slowly to be able to parse what they are saying. (I am able to understand much faster speech in Pimsleur, but that's because you're already primed for the topic and vocab).

The muscle memory of being able to instantly produce phrases without having to think about them helps immensely. One issue I'm having is that I can say basic things at native speed, but have to slow down considerably for more complex thoughts, so I end up tripping over my words unless I choose a slow speed at the outset.

Native speakers are specifically impressed with my pronunciation and how long I've been studying the language—like my Chinese is still not good, but it's much better than expected for less than 2 years of study.

Some example sentences from Levels 4/5 are "My wife is a graduate student studying solar energy. She is giving the keynote presentation at a conference for entrepreneurs in Shenzhen. Later we are going to Yabuli to go skiing. Traditionally Chinese people didn't drink milk, but nowadays Chinese cities have lots of pizza restaurants. My landlord said he will install the new air conditioner for us, but if he does he'll raise the rent next year. I'm going to the clothing market to pick up a suit and pants I had custom-made. Our wine won a grand prize at a competition in France last year. Our production process is good for the environment because our bamboo flooring doesn't use formaldehyde."

A few interesting things I noticed:

• initially I had a hard time distinguishing j/zh, q/ch, c/z, as well as some tones, but by the end I could almost always tell the pinyin from hearing the word

• over time you notice your ability to parse faster and faster sentences, picking out individual words instead of a stream of sounds

• paying attention to where native speakers put pauses was also very helpful, and often not where I would have thought to put a pause

• I hear

  Pimsleur courses work best when done consecutively, and on a daily basis. For best results, please continue with the next unit tomorrow. This has been a presentation of Simon & Schuster Audio, copyright 2010 by Simon & Schuster Incorporated. Recording copyright 2010 by Simon & Schuster Incorporated. All rights reserved.

  in my dreams.

Stack

Here is my Chinese-learning "stack" for anyone else interested; annotated by whether it trains Reading, Writing, Listening, or Speaking.

Essentials:

• Pimsleur (LS) obviously; you can get a lifetime subscription around the holidays

• Prologue: after paying for Pimsleur (they're worth it!!), you can "skillfully acquire" the audio files and load them into this audiobook app which is better for listening.

• Pleco (RLW) great dictionary, has lots of add-ons you can buy, e.g. graded readers with audio, flashcards

• Zhongwen (Chrome, Firefox) (R) - look up Hanzi in web pages; integrates with Skritter

• Lazy Chinese (LR) fun podcast, safer to listen to in the car, great web app experience

If you are on a budget you can probably get by with just the above. If you are willing to spend a bit more money:

• Skritter (WR) SRS app for learning to write Hanzi. Tests you on meaning, reading, tone, and writing. This was my most important tool after Pimsleur: every new vocab word went into Skritter to ensure I didn't forget. For a while I also marathoned the HSK decks, but realized it's more effective (and more fun) to just gather words you encounter in context. I think Pleco has equivalent functionality, but Skritter has a nicer interface and more curated content. The mobile app is their main experience, but their desktop app works well enough to use with a treadmill + standing desk + remote.

• Du Chinese (RL) delightful graded reading app with native speaker voices, integrates with Skritter. I think Pleco has equivalent functionality, but Du Chinese has a nicer interface and more curated content. The mobile app is their main experience, but their desktop app works well enough to use with a treadmill + standing desk + remote.

• Imagin8 Press (RL) excellent graded readers (physical books) and audiobooks, I'm going through their Journey to the West series. They also publish Skritter decks for their content.

• Complete Mandarin Chinese (RL) very good for learning grammar, and I like that they don't provide translations for conversations but supply you with enough vocabulary for you to understand. I got 1/3 of the way through and then took a break, I will publish a Skritter deck once I finish it.

• 15-Minute Mandarin Chinese (S) full sentences for common situations

The following are also worth checking out:

• Meetup (S) for finding IRL conversation groups

• Hanly (R) - free app to learn Hanzi with mnemonics; I only discovered it several months into Skritter, otherwise I would have made more use of it

• Daily Hanzi (R) - displays Hanzi on your lock screen

• Language Reactor (L) I actually use this more for Spanish, because I can't yet understand TV shows in real time. But I'm having lots of fun watching Netflix in Spanish, and hope to graduate to watching Chinese shows soon.

• Journey to the West - dual English/Mandarin subtitles (L) iykyk

I also had a lot of fun spending time on Chinese parts of social media (Instagram, YouTube, etc); just search for Chinese and start liking a few videos and your algorithm will do the rest. Great for learning slang and culture. However, beware of deception: one of my favorite channels taught me that the Chinese word for "brainrot" is 脑抽了 (literally, brain smoked), but I have since been informed that this is closer to "brainfart", and a closer equivalent is 降智 (literally, lowering-intelligence).

Bangers

• 一剪梅

• 月亮代表我的心

• 朋友的酒

• 小苹果

• 爱的暴风雨

• 不想听

• 扛过枪 放过羊

Hey, when I was in my teens I decided to learn Portuguese as my third language (I am native in English and French), which I have been studying very leisurely on and off for 13 years now. To be honest I'm probably barely intermediate in Portuguese but the basic grammar, vocab and Brazilian pronunciation are now deeply engrained.

I've recently decided I want to go to Latin America next year, potentially Central America or Colombia. So I've started learning (TL) Spanish (through Pimsleur initially) and I can already see that my existing Portuguese (which I haven't actively studied in a year) is going to be an issue with my brain automatically going for the Portuguese vocabulary and Brazilian accent even for basic words and phrases.

Anyone have any tips for distinguishing the two and avoiding the dreaded Portuñol or regression in Portuguese? The typical advice to focus on fluency in one before starting the other isn't really helpful for my timeline.

My birthday is coming up in a few weeks and this means that I get to choose a language learning resource to sign up to! 🥳 It's basically a birthday tradition for me at this point. Last year I chose "The Chairman's Bao" (a news-based graded reader for Mandarin).

I'm currently actively studying Hungarian and Mandarin at the moment, so if anyone has any recommendations for those languages specifically that would be great, but wider recommendations would also be welcome. I'm a dabbler at heart, so having resources that offer multiple languages to play with alongside my main ones is always a bonus for me.

I will say, I don't like Pimsleur. I know some people swear by it, but the style of teaching is not for me. The way that they break down words so slowly and backwards irritates me for some reason. Some of the lesson content is just a weird vibe too. I had a free trial with them once and cancelled it before it was even close to finishing. 😕

i'm leaving soon on a long trip to the country my mom was born in. pretty excited. quick question though. i studied hard for two months and now i can actually hold a conversation with my mom in my TL. i figured i could basically live like a local now, but according to her i sound about ten years old. so the plan is to get a lot better while i'm there. the thing is, if i go without a plan i think i'll just eat a bunch of new food and come home. what should i do? i genuinely have no ideas. any advice is welcome

Prioritize Anki - When learning my TL, I realize now the importance of Anki. There are studies that show that the amount of times you need to see a word before you can acquire it it up to 16 times. (Look into the work of vocab specialist Paul Nation) Anki solves this for you. You can argue that different contexts can affect this but over a period of months the amount of times you encounter a certain word will likely hit that threshold and you will acquire the word. 

Don’t be afraid of premade decks of most common 2000 words - I feel like had I took time to work through an anki deck of this size, I would achieve a higher comprehension faster. This is because my input + lookups are fine for acquiring words but there is no way to know if the word that I’m sentence mining is truly frequent or not. I likely was mining words outside of that frequency list. I’m still a bit skeptical, but I’m willing to give it a try.  

Never add sentences with more than one unknown word - sure there may be the rare exception here or there, but I used to add sentences to my anki deck with 2-4 unknown words in them with the rationale that I’ll get more bang for my buck in the long term. However, my anki deck became an absolute slog as it was not only difficult to remember the 3 unknown words within the card, but it was also very hard to parse the sentence at all. This lead to me giving up on more than one anki deck. 

Don’t be afraid to do a smaller amount of new cards a day - I’ve found that my sweet spot right now is 5 new cards a day. It’s enough that I feel like I’m doing something substantial, but I’m not waking up in the morning with 200 plus reviews. I used to try to do 10 a day and got overwhelmed after a few weeks. To be honest I still want to understand how people are spending more than 25 mins a day in their anki decks. 

How about you all… any realizations or things you would do differently with your Anki?

Hey everybody! I'm learning Brazilian Portuguese (TL), and I want an opinion!
So, I'm running into a bit of an issue. On some forums, I see that the most important thing for listening practice is to watch shows that are in your listening range, and in some places I see people saying that you need to just watch things you like and are passionate about. I'm just curious: which would be most productive for me and my language learning journey?

1. Watch shows at my listening level (About A2) that I may not enjoy, but they're easier for me to understand and pick up on things to learn

2. Shows that I love but may be way too advanced for me to pick up much.

See, I'm really running into a problem because I'm starting to get really tired of Disney Channel shows, children's shows, and comprehensible input videos, but I know they're good for me at my level. But nonetheless, I find myself almost dragging my feet to watch them all the time.
BUT, my favorite shows and movies are often far too complex for my current language level.

What would be most productive for my listening practice?
Comments from people who have used one of these two methods would be greatly appreciated!

I'm using Busuu right now for Spanish B2, I'm currently B1. I feel like it's not enough, but I don't know. Should I use a coursebook instead or is Busuu really worth it? I should add that I get Busuu for free through my work, so I use it to get free private lessons. The grammar portion i'm unsure about though. I try to read 2k words a day on LingQ and im currently trying, failing at it though, to listen and watch as much as i can in Spanish. I get around 2-4 hours of speaking and listening practice per week. I just feel like im not doing enough to learn grammar and develop my vocab.

Any suggestions? (TL)

Compared to Netflix, Disney Plus or any language learning tools such as LingQ or Language reactor, hirng a private tutor isn't cheap. Sometimes a one-hour 1 on 1 class can easily cost you a monthly (or two) premium of one of these platforms. Or with the same amount of money you can get a couple of paper books that you can study for a long time.

However, though massive input should be prioritized, I do believe good tutors can lend you a hand and feedback is necessary for improvement, and we language learners tend to LOVE real conversations.

Is there anything you do in particular in your private lesson to make it worth the price?

In my case, I sometimes ask the tutor (I focus a lot on intonatation and pronunciation) to imitate how I mispronounced the word or how I ''sang'' the sentence, and to say it again in a more natural way. I may record this part then I can listen back.

Or do you think they are like yoga coaches: once you have learned well the technics, you can practice on your own and even make more progress in your (TL) ?

So you've probably seen the ads for Read2Speak. It's a language learning platform that offers digital textbooks for a variety of different languages. I've seen a lot of people asking if these digital textbooks are AI generated, and I'm here to tell you that they most definitely are.

I'm ashamed to say I purchased some of these products recently- particularly the Hindi B1-B2 level textbook and accompanying workbook. And don't get me wrong, I had my suspicions that these products might be AI generated. But given the lack of upper intermediate materials for my target language, I guess I was willing to roll the dice. I also thought the marketing for this company was completely asinine, but you can say that about any company these days.

There are five major signs that these products are AI generated- two that I really should have noticed before buying, and three that you'll only notice once you buy them and look inside. I'll start with the ones I should have noticed before buying:

I) Hundreds of books appeared seemingly overnight. Read2Speak has materials for 19 different languages. For each language, there are three graded levels of textbook and workbook, for a total of six books per language. That's 114 different books, all published at the same time, by a company that just popped up out of nowhere.

II) No humans credited anywhere. Normally before buying a book online you can see the author's name on the website you're ordering from. Language textbooks in particularly will usually also include a little blurb about the author's credentials. But for Read2Speak products, not a single one of their 114 books credits any author, editor, or translator. This alone is probably a smoking gun, but there's more.

The two points above are honestly probably enough to conclude that these products are AI slop, and like I said, I wish I'd noticed them before buying. But in case anyone still isn't convinced, there are three more signs in the actually contents of the books I purchased.

I) Writing style. I think we're all getting pretty decent at spotting AI writing when we see it. It has this soulless, uncanny feel to it. Read2Speak products are riddled with that sort of writing. Every page reads like it was copy and pasted directly from ChatGPT.

II) Inaccuracy. When we start learning a language, we're often told that it follows a particular word order, or syntax. Different languages have different preferred word orders- SOV, SVO, VSO, etc. But any experienced language-learner will tell you that [practically all languages have some degree of flexibility to their word order. These structures that we learn at the beginning form a sort of guideline for how the language generally prefers to order its words, but as we soon come to learn, one can deviate from that baseline in order to emphasize certain parts of the sentence. Hindi, like most Indo-Aryan languages, favours the SOV syntax, preferring to place the verb at the end of the sentence. But as we know, deviations can occur. But according to Read2Speak, these structure is completely rigid, and deviating from it "makes you sound like a child"- even though native speakers do it all the time. It even went so far as to give me an ordered list of where all the information in a sentence must go at all times. Luckily, I already knew this was wrong, because I use a lot of authentic materials in my learning. But this could really set someone up for failure if they don't know better, because it's just going to lead to confusion when they start talking to native speakers. This is just one example of Read2Speak teaching a rule that doesn't exist.

III) Advice that makes no sense. This is probably the weirdest one. Read2Speak told me I could use Hindi's SOV syntax as a "fluency strategy", because the verb comes at the end, which means I can start speaking before I know what the verb will be, and that this is how native Hindi speakers are able to talk so fast. I'm sorry, what?! How does having the verb at the end provide any advantage toward speaking quickly? Couldn't I just as easily say the same thing about any other part of speech? Like, in English we usually put the object at the end, so could I say that you can start an English sentence without knowing what the object will be because you don't have to think of it until the end, and that that's a fluency strategy? To me this just seems like an AI hallucination. Remember, LLMs don't understand what it is they're saying- they just fart out combinations of words that they decide should go together based on an algorithm.

Anyway, there's my little rant about Read2Speak. Don't waste money on these "courses" like I did. If you want upper intermediate materials, I recommend Routledge's Modern Language Readers series. They're written by humans who are actually credited and have real credentials in language instruction, and they give you challenging readings using a variety of authentic materials.

Long live human creators, down with AI.

Hey everyone!

I make French comprehensible input videos on YouTube (French in Motion), and I've been building BingeLang for about a year. I'd like it to become a hub where you can find language-learning content and track your immersion in one place.

The platform brings together YouTube videos from different creators, sorted by difficulty and topic, from complete beginner to advanced. There are also illustrated stories, games, flashcards and comprehension quizzes.

Languages covered across the site and extension:

🇫🇷 French · 🇬🇧 English · 🇪🇸 Spanish · 🇩🇪 German

🇮🇹 Italian · 🇧🇷 Portuguese · 🇨🇳 Mandarin Chinese · 🇯🇵 Japanese (TL)

I also built a Chrome extension for YouTube. It adds subtitles in both the language you're learning and your own, with word translations on hover. You can keep the translated subtitles visible or show them only when you need them.

The extension automatically tracks your viewing time and syncs it with Bingelang. Your YouTube and website hours are recorded together for each language, with a daily activity calendar so you can look back and see how much time you've spent learning.

Everything is free. My plan is to fund the project with ads for language-learning apps, books and related services, rather than put the learning tools behind a paywall later.

You can browse the videos without an account. Saving your progress and using the extension require a free one.

Website: https://www.bingelang.com/

Chrome extension: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/jcmmjabiijaeflifginngngmcogmgacf

I'm still working on Bingelang and adding new features, and I hope some of you find it useful!

Thanks for checking it out, and thanks to the mods for letting me share it here!

I'm considering doing a 7-week summer language program at Middlebury, and I know they take their Language Pledge (to only communicate in your target language, even in your personal life, throughout the program) very seriously. I definitely would want to wholeheartedly take part in the program. However:

1. I have therapy once a week (over Zoom). For my sanity, that is not going to change
2. Once a week, I call my grandmother. She has dementia and her health is failing, and, if she is still around next summer, I will absolutely not give up the opportunity to call her those 7 weeks

I've heard they expel people from the program for speaking English (without tuition reimbursement, which is kind of nuts). Would I be able to get away with making these calls? I might need a single room accomodation, which would obviously help the matter. Has anyone taken part in a Middlebury summer program? Were you truly expected to never call home etc.? (TL)

I'm wondering if anyone has attended one of the Summer Language Immersion Programs at Beloit (they offer Japanese, Russian, and Chinese(TL) ). The course is 7 weeks (you can also sign up for the first 3.5 weeks or the second 3.5 weeks if you can't get away for 7 weeks).

Its also virtual and immersion (no idea how that works).

Does anyone have insights into the program or the instructors?

I would love to hear from those who have learnt a second language (as an adult) fluently to C1 level without living in the country of that speaks that second language.

As someone who has been learning Italian (TL) as an adult for years, I’ve predominantly stayed in the upper B1 stage.

I’ve met many people who are fluent in English (my mother language) without living in an English speaking country.

My question is, how does someone make the jump from B1 to C1 with normal day to day commitments of fulltime work, home responsibilities etc?

I don’t believe there are any “secrets” as such, but what was your process? I’m keen to understand what I’m doing that might be limiting me, or know about what pathways I need to explore to really advance my language understanding.

Currently, my method is:
Solo studying
An hour a day, with a good mixture of listening (podcasts, TV), reading (novels, news articles), speaking (saying speeches out loud or using AI for conversations), and writing by myself (rules, grammar and writing stories).

Structured learning
In addition to above, I also attend a school for 1.5 hours a week, have a tutor for conversation for 45 minutes per week.

Keen to hear everyone’s process and share ideas :)