Including the coaches.

Picking early game comp again where every mistake will lead to a disaster is pure ignorance.

Bad prep, bad mental.

APA must feel so vindicated right now! I’m happy for him.

Surely, next year we keep most of this core (and runback another blaber team) and THIS time, we don’t choke important matches!

guys, trust me, one more year. It will work! i promise!

our budget carries and blaber won’t giga choke again

I don’t know anymore man, like seriously. What are we even doing anymore? We can’t close out a game to save our lives, the moment the clock hits 20 we just lose all brain cells.

We choke against teams that are worse than us.

The players are mechanically good, but I don’t know.

We’re kind of a laughing stock.

It sucks.

I’m depressed.

I’m kind of tired at having hope in this team.

Technically, C9 just failed to qualify for worlds - for the third year in a row

Not here to say anything other then his expression at the end was hilarious and i feel bad. Looks like a complete mental collapse. Can't fault vulcan at all for today either.

From an NAmen interview highlight posted on Twitter. I can't post it on the wider r/ lol subreddit because of spoilers, so for C9 fans who (smartly) don't have twitter, I decided to post it here. Let me know if you have any questions.

Q: Do you think C9 played at the same level today as yesterday?

JoJo: I'm not sure, I think they were playing better yesterday — but we were also playing really bad yesterday, so it's hard to judge them on that. But I felt like today they were... I don't know. They felt a little desperate, I think.

Q: I agree. Especially later in the series.

JoJo: Yeah. So I'm not sure if that's their level, you know? I'm just not sure. They seem very stressed.

Q: Honestly, what do you think is wrong with C9? NA fans are so mad at them right now.

JoJo: I have no idea about what's wrong with them. I feel like they... I don't know, they feel kinda lost in-game. Like sometimes, they're just like, “We have to group, we have to be together, let's do something as five” — and I don't think that's how the game works today.

I feel like they get lost in-game, and then they are just throwing the games, or putting themselves in bad spots. But I don't think they are bad players at all, like individually. I think the group is just... I don't know. Maybe they can't handle pressure.

I followed them from the very start of the year when Dom joined as a secondary coach.

Even tho I am European, I wanted them to smack KC yesterday...

4 series in a row they fck up the most crucial moments... 4 SERIES. (Lyon Rematch, TL, KC, Furia)

Let's not even talk about the crash in Spring before MSI.

See ya at quarter-finals onwards.

At least I hope TL has a good showing.

Tanks and scaling adcs and pray.

SCALING IS THE NAME OF THE GAME.

Abandon ship. Women and children first. Vulcan too get out while you can

I honestly am at a loss for words. I know I shouldn't be so negative but man this team just constantly disappoints and I don't know what is going through their minds. These jerseys at least remind me of the good old days... 🥲

I really hope this was his last game in a C9 uniform. He has been a cornerstone of this team for so long and I appreciate that from him but its time. Everyone has an expiration and even if people felt like it was years ago it definitely here. Its better for everyone him and us if we spilt. Thank you blaber for everything you done for us. I really wish you could have pulled through for us. Good luck on what ever team you go to next year but for everyone including yourself it shouldn't be c9. I know we wanna flame him and he deserves it but maybe we can just post some good memories like a send off for him. If you wanna vent and shit on him go ahead as well.

Can't believe this team. All of them are such potentially talented players. All of them completely inting at every moment of the game. I don't know if it's the coaching or the "system" or the players, but they clearly are not well enough practiced. There is no synergy. Vulcan and blaber are supposed to be the voice and minds for the young Korean talents on the team, but we look worse with every team fight...

#EMENESWASRIGHT

I can only imagine it’s worse for them. I’ll be back to cheer for the team next year, best wishes to all yall

I am genuinely pleading with Jack to understand that we have reached a point where if you don’t make an immense overhaul of the team’s roster, and of the staff to some degree, then this team will have almost no meaningful fanbase going forwards.

At this point it’s not even a question of results anymore. The viewers and fans are so emotionally spent on nearly all of these players after 3 full years of relentless disappointment and zero improvement to their core issues, that even winning a split will feel hollow if it’s with this team. There desperately needs to be a core overhaul to give fans something fresh to root for and something new to hope for.

I’m saying this as probably the biggest Blabber fan ever and someone that still believes in nearly all of these players individually, they simply can’t stay on this team if you want fans to still cheer for you. If you try to run this back, it won’t even matter if you succeed because there won’t be anyone still left to celebrate. Please realize that it’s not just about results anymore, it’s about the fans being genuinely bored of this group.

I’m immensely grateful for all the awesome memories a lot of these players have brought us, but you need to know when to move on.

I bet you're all oh-so excited for the upcoming changes, arent ya. But arent you forgetting something? This roster is signed until twenty twenty EIGHT hahahahahahahaha Cmon you negative nancies, they clearly just need a bit more time! A year, two tops. Lets run it back babyyyyyyyyyy!!!!! the stone wont carry itself sisyphus lets get it moving ay?

Well this is an interesting day we find ourselves in after well…letting the end of game 2 slip through our fingers, underestimating their bot lane strat in game 4, and falling apart in game 5 against KC which led to us letting NA down and becoming national disgraces.

But heck, we keep balling on.

And our next opponent is…our South American nightmare in Furia.

Oh boy…

But hey, Americas Cup in the past. We mount up and keep on keeping on through the lower bracket to keep our Worlds going. If not, god help us all…

#NAmen

The whole reason we supposedly got Loki over APA is that he can play both melees and mages but looking at his play and our draft, it looks like he can only play melees.

And don’t get me wrong Loki is MILES better at champions like Yone/Locke/Sylas/Akali than APA.

But Loki still makes bad mistakes on those champions and ends up looking invisible vs better laners.

APA at least brings his macro. Loki’s “strength” seems to disappear when faced with real competition.

I just don’t understand why we felt we needed a change at mid when we could’ve kept APA/Blaber/Vulcan and then play around Tactical.

He’s a beast mechanically so give him the tools to the kingdom with APA on champions like Ryze/Taliyah/TF/Anivia/Ori/Cassio/Viktor and just defend him.

Instead we put him on Ziggs and pray that Loki/Thanatos carry which just doesn’t seem to work. And part of that is on Tactical since it seems like he’s not a great Ziggs but then why are we drafting it for him?

worlds play ins, and it was 1-2 to Furia, we were playing blue side, furia as red, and Dom said:

'Guys, if you think we are good, let's prove it now'. 1-2"

Dom: "did we comeback?"

blaber: "of course not. 1-3"

Just rebuild the team from scratch, I would say that this whole team aside from the coaching staff and maybe Vulcan (he is good but his mental is clearly weak), the rest need to go. I actually don't think it's the coaches faults for bad draft since yeah there are some iffy draft but I don't think it's 100% their input. Imo, the reason that this team can't for the love of god play any deadball or easy to play comp is because the veteran presence in this team (Blaber) genuinely don't know how to play any other way. Like, the draft that I seen from Dom and Yamato is better than our past coaches and have more nuance but if we look at it at the core, it's still the same strong early game draft that fit how our veterans want to play the game. So, if changing coaches and even changing multiple players only result in these comps that fit the essence of how our veterans want to play, I actually think we need to get rid of them and start from scratch. Players like Jojo and Berserker moving away from our team and they suddenly are able to play new picks that we won't ever see them picking in Cloud9 and I don't think that's because the coaches telling them to do so and more of we aren't willing to play into these strength.

The veterans on this team legit have the worst mental and understanding of the game, they want to play aggressive but they never press their lead or hand check to balloon the lead or play safe to maintain it and keep picking the most random angle to throw away this lead. They always complicated their gameplan with high execution drafts idea (early game comp with extremely low damage or fall off extremely hard) despite them being so risk averse after 20 minutes that they always give their opponents angle to comeback. I legit never see a team play so badly with lead that they can't end with giga wincon the way C9 play. The fact that they can only play early game comp (that sometimes even have low damage) to stomp lane and have a weak mental mean that any team that pick a deadball comp against them will win eventually due to we can't accelerate/close out our lead due to random throw. Furia shows that perfectly today, and no, Furia is a shit team that can't even beat a team full of rookies from VCS, this Cloud9 team is just beyond dogshit with their weak mental. 

Watch how a team full of kids like MVKE dismantling this Furia just by playing to hand check and don't worry about a single thing and they clapped this shitty Furia team 3-0 while we struggling to even win a game. Like why care about good macro when your opposition is dogshit just plain and simple draft good scaling and handcheck them. This tendency of overcomplication with both drafts and how to play the game is why everyone know that to counter C9 just pick a pure deadball comp and they will rollover due to the weak mental of our vets. NRG, SR, 100T, and now Furia has prove that what the haters (which including me) has been saying for years are true. Like, I don't know how Kratos, an extremely shit top and I know because I'm Vietnamese American and watch LCP, can goomba stomp this dogshit Guigo and we keep drafting meta toplaners for our carry top just for him to fold to Guigo because the meta picks that we pick can't stomp lane and the rest of the team also can't carry for shit.

Team need to rebuild because players like Thanatos and Loki has good mechanic but they don't have what it takes to get to the next step while veterans like Blaber and Tactical just look like pure ass. Considering the lack of good native jungler, I don't even mind if we just straight up import a jungle and use native toplaner like Srtty because at least with a middling top, we can still play weakside but with jungler like Blaber or carry like Tactical, we legit can't do anything because they are just bad rn. Idk which native mid or adc are available but if we import for one of them aside from jungle, we need someone that is extremely clutch or has potential for that. I don't know which player will be a good fit but we could considered players like About, Karis, Zest (if we can get a native mid), Calix, Zinie (raw but potential is there) are some potential players for our carry roles (adc/mid) and for jungler, if we can't get Gryffinn, try to use new guy like Yuuji or import someone with potential like Vincenzo, Painter or proven jungler like Raptor or Croco and use native players for the rest of the role. That's all that I can think of and thanks for reading this long post.

Edited: Added Zamudo and Horder to the pool of native top

I said we would lose today 3-2, how was i wrong even in that, I genuinely would have preferred if they didn't make it to worlds, at least then I could spectate that we could win against any team that isn't NA. I sorry guys, I have tried to support this team and tried to hold onto the glimmer of hope but they continue to be shattered in my face, at some point its my fault for trying to hope.

honestly i think c9 has a lot of issues, but we need to start with our imports. this is c9's biggest issue. our imports compared to the likes of Saint, inspired, Morgan, Berserker etc are just not going to cut it..

Loki's level is atrocious for someone taking up an import slot

thanatos has had 3 years and never reached his potential

also tactical just makes way too many egregious mistakes in late game moments. he's made like 15 in the past few weeks alone..

blaber imo improved enough in summer, to not be first on the chopping block, but still, teams he's on/ the players around him.. just mentally collapse every single split (in big games). this can't be ignored..

there is a hole there, in leadership (and late game calling)

TL has Core, Lyon has inspired. we are lacking someone that fits this mold.

i think Vulcan is irreplaceable but otherwise, we should be looking at a drastic rebuild if we ever want to overcome these issues.