r/leaf • • Dec 18 '25

A Breakdown of 40 & 62 kWh Battery Pack Failures

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As some people may have heard of or unfortunately experienced, there have been quite a number of cases of 2nd generation Leaf batteries failing. I was planning and trying to make this into a video format, but as I’m still recovering from a cold my voice isn’t quite up for narrating an essay, so text format it is.

Hopefully this can raise some awareness and provide a central source of info as to what’s going on, why it’s happening, what to do about it, and things to consider. There are two separate issues currently causing outright failures of 2018+ Leaf battery packs, and so will be split up into two sections.

Cold-weather SOC Freefall

  • What’s going on?

Under load in cold temperatures, especially below freezing and below 50% battery, the charge level and range estimate will suddenly begin to plummet and continue to drop rapidly until the load is removed, at which case the charge level starts to bounce back and quickly increase again.

The car may go into turtle mode, or in severe cases even cut off the high voltage battery completely, in which case the car will stall and may not be able to be restarted.

Here is a video example of what this sudden drop of charge level looks like.

This issue affects both the 40 kWh and 62 kWh packs. The 40 kWh packs seem to be much more susceptible, but as the 62 kWh packs use the same cells and chemistry, they are not immune. This also includes 40 packs that were installed as retrofits under warranty in 2016-17 Leafs.

  • Why is this happening?

This is occurring due to one or more weak cells within the battery pack sagging excessively in voltage under load, which is greatly exacerbated when the battery is cold, due to increased internal resistance.

How the battery works is that the shown and usable state of charge is defined by that of the lowest cell. This is to prevent over-discharge of any weaker cells at lower charge levels, as that would cause even further damage to them.

Often this can be witnessed in the LeafSpy cell chart as one or more cells that clearly drop lower than the rest of the pack under load, but not always. There have been a number of cases of SOC freefall with seemingly no weak cells, indicating that there’s other data/calculations within the BMS that the user cannot see.

Getting a weak cell is essentially luck of the draw. There have been packs with very low mileage and seemingly great numbers that still failed (such as in the video above), while there are other packs with lots of miles and abuse that are still working just fine. How the pack is treated/babied does not seem to affect your chances in the roulette.

  • What to do about it?

If you are encountering this issue as an owner, and the car is still under warranty, document everything as much as possible. Record video(s) of the issue happening, noting the charge level and outside temperature the battery is at. Submit this proof to the dealer as a copy, and demand that it be used in their case to Nissan corporate.

Bring the car to the dealership for diagnosis with as cold of upcoming weather as possible. Some dealers may try poorly to replicate the issue, often in the interest of charging the customer the diagnostic fee. You want to make the issue as obvious and easily to replicate as you can.

If you have to drive the car around, ensure you either have LeafSpy Pro, or keep an adjustable or 10mm wrench with you in the car. If the cell voltages ever drop low enough for the car to shut down, it is likely to set a high voltage fault code and won’t be able to restart until the fault is cleared. Clearing the fault via the LeafSpy service menu, or disconnecting and reconnecting the 12V battery, will at least allow you to limp the car to a charger or safe location off the road.

UPDATE: For 2019-2022 Leafs, the "fast charging recall" software update now adds programming to the BMS to look for and flag SOC variations, setting a fault code (P33ED) if it does. This has the potential to "brick" the car in the same way as a high voltage isolation fault (read section below) would. Be cautious of this so that it does not potentially leave you stranded.

  • Things to consider

If you own a 2nd generation Leaf (especially 40 kWh) that is still under warranty, still on the original battery, and live in a climate that gets winter, check for signs of this issue BEFORE warranty ends!

During cold weather, park the car outside overnight with 50% charge or less, then take the car out for a drive and see if there are any strange fluctuations in the state of charge during acceleration.

If you are considering purchasing one and there is no proof of the high voltage battery being replaced, ensure there is at least one year worth of warranty remaining on the car so that you can spend a winter with it and will still be covered in the case of this failure.

LeafSpy data can sometimes be a pre-indicator that you will likely run into this issue if there is a noticeably low Hx value (much lower than SOH), but not always. Low Hx is a strong sign of possible weak cells, but weak cells will not always cause low Hx.

Cell Expansion / High Voltage Isolation

  • What’s going on?

The car will one day show the message “Service EV System – Unable to restart after power off”, and indeed will not restart after it is powered off.

The vast majority of cars affected by this issue are 62 kWh Leaf Plus/e+ models. It is not unheard of on 40 kWh cars, but it is quite rare unless the pack was heavily used and abused.

There is a Nissan TSB on this issue which confirms they are well aware of this issue, and there are revised battery packs and modules that are issued in replacement if the car is still under high voltage battery warranty.

  • Why is this happening?

Thermal expansion of the battery cells causes them to eventually expand to the point of pushing up against each other, and in some cases even leaking electrolyte out of the cells into the battery casing, eventually causing the car to trip a high voltage isolation fault.

This is most commonly happening in specifically the rear stack of cells within the 62 kWh pack, because they are so tightly packed together, that they don’t get much cooling nor much room to expand before they begin pushing up against each other.

High voltage isolation is important, because obviously you do not want any high voltage potential to be contacting the metal battery casing that is bolted to the metal body of the car. If the BMS detects that there is even just a little bit of voltage leaking from one cell to another, or the cells to the battery chassis, an isolation fault is tripped.

  • What to do about it?

If you encounter specifically the “unable to restart after power off” message, and the car is still within high voltage battery warranty, DO NOT REPLACE THE 12V BATTERY.

This specific message is ONLY generated due to a high voltage isolation fault, and although a weak 12V battery can cause many weird issues, it will NEVER generate a high voltage isolation fault. Unless there is an extremely urgent need to continue driving the car, have it towed in the “broken” state to a Nissan dealership.

It is a much more objective issue than weak cells, and basically the only diagnosis they would need to approve a battery replacement is to see the stored isolation fault code. Disconnecting the 12V battery however clears this fault code, making it not possible for them to verify the issue unless it happens to fault again in only one drive cycle.

Replacing the 12V battery gives a false sense of success because it allows the car to start and drive again, but only until the fault eventually comes back. It's just a waste of money and a perfectly good battery to not actually address the underlying issue.

If you urgently need the car to work again, clearing the fault code in LeafSpy Pro or by disconnecting and reconnecting the 12V battery will allow it to start. Just be aware that by doing this, you won’t be able to have the issue verifiable by Nissan until it pops up again. It may only take 1 drive cycle, it may take 100.

  • Things to consider

Unfortunately there isn’t really any way to foretell that this issue will happen soon or to check for it, as you can’t just force an isolation fault to appear like you can with weak cells.

Battery packs in hot climates and/or lots of quick charges are more susceptible to this issue due to it being a result of thermal expansion. Packs torn apart after diagnosis of this issue often exhibit very obvious “spicy pillows” within.

If you are a current owner, especially of a Plus/e+ model, the best you can do is to avoid overheating/rapidgating the battery whenever possible. Doing so once every few months is not a big deal, but frequently doing so will likely lead to long-term damage.

If looking to purchase a Leaf Plus/e+, or a high mileage 40 kWh car in a hot climate, make sure to check Leaf Spy, and it may be wise to avoid any examples that have lots of QCs shown.

There is a great in-depth video by LEAF expert Dala explaining this issue more in detail for those who are interested.


r/leaf • • 6h ago

How can I sell 2014 Leaf best for salvage value

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2014 Nissan Leaf. Possibly total loss in an accident without collision coverage. How could I sell it best for salvage value, how much is it worth? I can add more photos for under the car to give a better view of whether the battery is still intact ? It had 10 bars.


r/leaf • • 10h ago

So... am I fucked?

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Second hand, out of warranty due to millage. Was working fine when I bought it, highway driving no issue.

For the least month or so it has been fluctuating from 40% to 0% underload, then 50% to 0, now 65%... I charged it to 100 overnight and going on the freely it dropped from 97% to -- and to turtle mode immediately.

The car is pretty "worthless" in terms of reselling due to the high mileage (250,000km); and putting in a new battery of the same kWh is more than 2x the residual value that it's insured for.

Has anyone been in the same situation and replaced a singular module? Or is it pretty much new battery or the degradation continues.


r/leaf • • 20h ago

what's this dongle?

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hello! when i bought my leaf a couple months ago it had this thing on it, my dad said it might be a GPS tracker but I was thinking it was one of those things that connects to leafspy. I want to get the app so I hope it is


r/leaf • • 9h ago

How long will this leaf last?

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Bought the car a month and a half ago 2017 leaf S. Owner provided nissan documentation of a new battery installed in December 2024 and it was driven 5k miles after the install. Gemini says this should last me about 10 years considering my driving commute (20 mi rt) but I know theres something shes missing and this sub will tell me.


r/leaf • • 20h ago

Am I an idiot for expecting a $10 AliExpress OBD adapter to work with LeafSpy? 😂

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Got a US-spec 2013 Leaf with no cabin heat, so I bought a cheap “ELM327 V1.5 WiFi” adapter from AliExpress to check the fault codes. Then paid for LeafSpy Pro on my iPhone, and so far I’ve bought myself a lovely screen full of fucking zeroes.
Phone connects to WIFI_OBDII, registered the network in LeafSpy, car is definitely in READY. Restarted everything and unplugged the adapter. Still cycles between “Config Leaf” and “NO DATA”. No SOC, SOH or cell voltages. Car Scanner also connects to the adapter but can’t connect to the car.

Am I missing some setting for a US Leaf, or am I just an idiot for expecting this $10 AliExpress mystery box to actually work? Anyone got one of these working with LeafSpy on iPhone?


r/leaf • • 10h ago

OBD vs LeafSpy

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I had an independent pre-purchase inspection done on a 2021 40Kwh Leaf on sale at a reputable dealership. The inspection, using a standard OBD tool, apparently showed a "battery temperature and resistance outside manufacturer specifications" fault, however the inspector has refused to elaborate any further.

LeafSpy shows normal indications and temps, SOH is 85% and 14mV. I test drove it and turned the heater up to 27°C, both seat warmers on high, and drove it on the motorway at 100km/h in 18°C weather, and the battery temp indicator on the dashboard showed it was below the middle level.

The dealership has sent the car to a local EV specialist for further testing to try and see what's going on. Anyone else experienced this before? Is there a chance the OBD reading was incorrect?

Thanks!


r/leaf • • 13h ago

2014 Nissan Leaf (European model) Intelligent Key not detected / Remote central locking not working

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r/leaf • • 1d ago

That was close…

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For the range anxiety lovers, got home in my 2026 Leaf…barely


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Goodbye my friend

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Somebody ran a red light and destroyed my trusty Leaf today. Luckily me and my toddler who was in the car with me are fine. I’ll miss this little car though.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

When speeding up, battery precentage drops

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Standing at light 32%, picking up spead to 60km/h and battery shows 20%, after re-gen breaking 30%.

Leafspy shows one red battery cell. Anyone had experience with this? Should I go to nissan? Or look for thrid party service?

Is this coverrd by guarantee?


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Morley surrender

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My surrender date is upcoming. For anyone that's has gone through that day, is there anything special I should know? I've notarized the paperwork and sent it in.

Has anyone done the surrender and maybe kept the charger cable? Sure seems a waste if they're just scrapping these vehicles.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Changed rear pads and it removed noise

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I always thought the noise when I backed the car was from the parking break hanging on the drum. But no, it was the pads. The rear left side pad was completely worn down. I honestly thought they should have been in better shape as I changed them in 2021. Changing them was really easy. I took out the pins and greased them as well with ptfe grease. Now my oldie is zooming through the neighbourhood without a sound like an owl.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

2014 2015 nissan leaf for a senior grocery getter?

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Oops i posted to old sub. Excuuuse me!


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Just lost my first bar

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Just posting for anyone else's benefit. I'm driving a 2016 Leaf, Tekna, 30 kwhr pack and at 57,500 miles I've just lost my first bar.

The weird thing is that according to LeafSpy, the SOH is around 84% which would represent about 1/6th loss of capacity whereas the gauge has 12 divisions , so should have lost two by now - but I vaguely remember someone saying that it's non linear. This also works out in Nissan's favour in terms of warranty claims on the battery - although I've got about two months before I hit that 10 year threshold so not an issue for me!!

Edit 1: just to add, I'm based in the UK.


r/leaf • • 2d ago

Doing bad things

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Change the look of my leaf 😜 first day and 3rd


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Reject first buyback offer?

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I would really like to hear from anyone who has recently rejected the first buyback offer from Morley. What they offered isn't exactly terrible but would not get us another vehicle with equivalent features to our 2020 SL+.

Almost every post I've seen has said to reject the first offer but I would really like some more recent specifics on what that has looked like beyond simply signing the form saying we reject the offer. And confirm that it's still good advice right now.

And I would really like to know if anyone has been left out to dry when they rejected the first offer.

Thanks all.


r/leaf • • 1d ago

Morley buyback questions

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My 2020 sv+ 71k miles has been at the dealership for a week now. I got the 1st call from Morley on Wednesday saying the process was being initiated. I haven't gotten the next call officially starting the process and requesting paperwork yet.

1st question is how long from now would you anticipate before I would actually get money from Morley assuming I accept their first offer.

2nd question: I can't find my vehicle sale paperwork but they said that would be optional would you anticipate if I can find that paperwork it would somehow help my offer?


r/leaf • • 1d ago

2015 LEAF with major issues: Seeking advice

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LEAF Disposition Question.

Bought a 2015 LEAF S with 86K miles and 85% battery earlier this year for $3,800. Owner had it for ~8 years and had records of work done, all routine. It has ~90K now. Yesterday, brakes failed. Loud grinding noise with any brake press and brakes do nothing. Restarted a few times, because why not. No change. Tow arrives 20 minutes later and car is now fine. Not driving it though, so it gets towed to dealership.

Estimate comes back with:

CAUSE:

C118A U1000, and U1110 STORED FOR INTELLIGENT BRAKE UNIT. MULTIPLE CASES FOR REPLACEMENT OF BRAKE UNIT AND ENGINE ROOM HARNESS.

CORRECTION:

REMOVE AND REPLACE INTELLIGENT BRAKE UNIT AND ENGINE ROOM HARNESS.

ESTIMATE: $8,084.87.

There were other "critical" repairs listed, adding up to a total of about $10K, with another $5K in "attention" repairs.

I have no need of another car, so not going to trade and buy, and obviously not worth repairing.

In Minnesota. Open to suggestions.


r/leaf • • 2d ago

Do you plan on keeping your car for 10+ years ?

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Has anyone gotten their battery replaced after 8+ years ?


r/leaf • • 2d ago

Free portable charger from 2020 LEAF.

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Coachella Valley Area. OEM Panasonic J1772. DM me if interested


r/leaf • • 2d ago

Salvaged 62kwh pack

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What is a fair price for a salvaged 62kwh pack? Thinking about putting the battery in a 2015 body.

Edit: odometer shows 8k miles in photos but no way to use leaf spy and check before buying.


r/leaf • • 2d ago

Time to change to winter tires!

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r/leaf • • 3d ago

Is it time to sell it before it gets worse?

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Hi,

I have a year 2019, 62kwh e+ 3.zero model. Location: UK

I don’t experience any problems with the battery.

Just recently i noticed the bar went down a little bit.

Is this normal considering there is 123,000 miles on it.


r/leaf • • 2d ago

Seeking real world experience: has anyone added an external CarPlay display to their 2017 Leaf?

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I miss CarPlay, and am interested in the idea of adding a widesceen external CarPlay display with dash cam — I just don't know how it will look on the 2017 dash, because it doesn't look all too flat on the dash. So I'm curious if anyone else has done this and can share their opinion, also vs. swapping the factory head unit with a CarPlay enabled one, which looks like way more hassle. TIA! Cheers