r/TwoHotTakes • u/harmonybrook • 10h ago
Listener Write In My family recently received a bonkers and concerning letter about an elder relative who lives alone in rural northern Minnesota…
So for context, this relative is on my dad’s side, of which is really sparse, we aren’t even close to immediate family, but we are the closest and only family she has, as she never married or had kids. She’s a retired librarian, and quite the eccentric type. And as far as we knew my dad and aunt were supposed to be her executives.
Last year she wrote us a letter after she got back from a trip to Finland, and told us not to worry but she had gotten lost while there, and was taken to a psychiatric hospital because of confusion. But she didn’t ever say anything else about it. Up until then are unaware of any signs of dementia or anything else.
Since then, we’ve been unable to get a hold of her, she doesn’t have internet or a cell phone, just a land line, and email when at the library.
(My Aunt lives 45min away, and frankly in retrospect, pretty angry didn’t ever think to drive over to check on her.)
Enter, creepy ass letter… like WTAF?!
Or are we just over reacting?
Will continue in comments with “updates” as they came to us. Because there’s a lot, and I don’t want to just write one long wall of text. Easier to break it down into chunks.
This did all transpire in the last two weeks, from receiving Peter’s letter, to the final “update” below.
Update: 1
Whoa whoa whoa everyone!!!!!!!! Really didn’t expect the comments to go this way jeez!
Let’s call this elderly relative Rose, she is my dad’s cousin.
Me and my immediate family live states away from Rose. My dad’s sister lives 45min from Rose, that’s why in my post I mentioned being angry at my aunt. And apparently at one point my aunt had told my dad she had checked in on Rose.
There was about 6ish months we couldn’t get a hold of her. And besides the wierd letter after her return home from finnland (which I actually tried to get everyone more concerned about then they were) Before that we only ever had communication a couple times a year, she was eccentric and a bit of a hermit.
Update 2
Okay just so we are clear about one thing, my family had no interest in personal gain from this financially, we don’t need her money not that she had a lot, she did have several charities she wanted to give to. The only thing physically we have interest in is her life long passion project of working on our family genealogy.
Secondly, while we were not in frequent communication with her, we were on good terms. In fact she’d stayed at our house with in the last two years. (And was as far as we could tell in complete health) and the author of the letter, let’s call him, Peter (20 years younger than Rose btw)…no mention of him. (At least not by name, but we later find out she had mentioned him, they dated but she was trying to get rid of him because he was a jerk, she never gave more details than this.)
Okay, now for comparing the letter to actual preliminary facts we know, without even needing to verify…
She had previously given directives to my Dad and aunt for a funeral.
She was a journalist back in the 70s, but there’s no reason why that would have any effect on any kind of proceedings today.
My dad never went to Africa, Rose knew this. Also never worked with doctors without boarders but rather other local/independent orgs in the countries he did go to, things Rose also knew.
Okay update 3
So obviously after receiving this letter we went into detective mode. (Although my sister and I insisted on alerting authorities right away) my Dad and aunt decided to ask around first to try and get some more info and confirm her death.
Firstly my Aunt called the church Rose attended, the confirmed a few things, but their answers were a bit vague like they were holding things back.
But they did confirm they believed she’d passed. And that Peter had been living with her, but their knowledge of him only extended back at most three years.
She had mentioned the Finland trip, and she had actually checked herself into a memory care facility upon her return, where she spent a few months before returning home.
At this point we enlisted a family friend who’s a lawyer, as well as contacting her at least former lawyer in MN.
No official filling of change of Will exists before 6 months ago.
There was one change made, in Peter’s favor with Rose’s “signature” dated… three days after she left for Finland
Prior for that Peter also obtained something called a Transfer deed upon death TOD, which infamously used in elder abuse fraud.
Update 4
Soon after we received the letter my dad flew out there.
He and my aunt attended her church, and upon introducing themselves the pastor looked at them with bulging eyes, and said “we need to talk”
After the service they met.
They said Peter had started driving Rose to church about a year ago, around the same time she had started behaving a bit paranoid. They also had done some digging on Peter, he was a former police officer, he got kicked out after stalking and threatening his ex wife at gun point.
Also shortly after starting to drive Rose to church, he wrote an erratic five page application to be a member at the church, upon which when rejected she showed up threatening them with a gun. They then filed a restraining order, hired security arranged other transport for Rose.
Also Rose had pledged money to the church for a new building campaign, but then came in the next week apologizing in a paranoid manner that she no longer could. Also there have been a handful of similar charities that have been in touch that mentioned the same.
They also said they were bewildered about the whole no funeral or obituary. And they only found out about her death because of a nosey neighbor.
They also mentioned that the only recent job history Peter has had is work in nursing homes, and his sister currently lives in a house formerly owned by someone that was in his care…
Also in doing more legal digging, during Rose’s trip in Finnland, Peter filed dozens of probate documents with the court.
It’s like there’s something new at every turn, and it’s all a mess. My dad was planning flying back over there when everything goes to probate court, oh and there’s a one officer unit up there that works these kind of cases that now handling things as well, but oufffff!
I’m sure I’m still missing details, will add as I remember them.
Oh also who puts a pun on a grave stone?! A misspelled one at that?
Update 5
Not going to engage much beyond this unless I get actual updates.
You all don’t know what you don’t know, and yes obviously my family, in retrospect could have handled things different. I also knew very little about any of it till after they already got Peter’s letter, and like I mentioned before you, I was concerned post Finland but no one took me seriously.
We maybe didn’t have much contact with her but we did, like I said we’d both visited her in person and had her out to visit us a few times in the 5 years Peter claims to have been her care taker.
Truly crazy how judgmental and cruel you all can be, glossing over certain things, just attack me and my family. (Through please by all means my Aunt does deserve it, story for another day would be the scene she made at my sister’s wedding.)
We are extremely sad at the prospect of how she was taken advantage of. How little my Aunt cared to check on her despite being so close (and retired)
We are sad to have had the opportunity to grieve and have a funeral, taken away.
Also I don’t know if I remembered to mentioned, her house has already been sold and cleared out, meaning anything of sentimental value, gone. Including all her genealogy work, and any other library projects she’d been working on.
She was a fascinating though odd lady. Most interesting to talk to. Picked up degrees like they were merit badges, extremely smart, but would never know it if you met her on the street, you might have mistaken her for a bag lady.
Update: 6
Cause I realize I never actually clarified this, there is no record of actually being diagnosed with anything, she was discharged from the memory care place she went to when she got back from Finland. No one except Peter is claiming or knew anything of her supposed late stage dementia, the church noted a change, but according to them matched more with paranoia of an abused person rather than someone with dementia. (Also quite frankly upset they didn’t try to contact us either)