So I’m on day 8 of CT 30-40gpd and I’m still going through it pretty bad. heart is pounding and no appetite, headaches, etc. I went to see 3 different doctors today to try and get gabapentin short term just for the WDs (I don’t want subs because I want to be rid of opioids) to ease some of this hell and was turned down every time. in a moment of desperation I stupidly asked google like 5 times if QuickMD would prescribe gabapentin for kratom WD and every answer said yes. paid the $99 I didn’t have only for the doctor to tell me she couldn’t help me and they do not do that for anxiety or WDs. so now I’m down $220 from all the Dr’s and empty handed and still suffering. at least if I got ripped off for some real skag I would’ve at least had SOMETHING to show for it after 3 tries.

I’m not really sure where to begin, but I was directed to this community after sharing my concerns about my younger brother’s addiction to 7-OH.

I’m 18 years older than him, and we’ve always shared a close relationship. Recently, he came to me and admitted that he was struggling with a 7-OH addiction. At his worst, he was taking more than 1,000 mg a day. He has been trying to taper down and told me he had reduced his dose to around 200 mg before attempting to quit.

When he first told me, I honestly had no idea what 7-OH was. I knew about kratom, but I had always understood it to be a relatively harmless herbal substance. I certainly didn’t realize that it could lead to an overdose. The more I’ve learned, the more I’ve realized how completely wrong I was.

I also have to admit something that makes me feel ashamed: I’ve been terrified to learn the full extent of what he’s doing to himself. Not because I don’t care, but because I care so fucking much. I think part of me has been afraid to confront how serious this really is.

Then today, I read an article in the San Francisco Standard about the city’s first recorded overdose death involving MGM-15, another extremely potent kratom-derived opioid reportedly being sold in smoke shops and gas stations. My heart just sank.

I realize MGM-15 isn’t the same thing as 7-OH, but learning about the dangers of these increasingly potent kratom-derived products, including their potential to cause fatal overdoses, has been a terrifying wake-up call.

My brother is only 19. He’s going through his first devastating breakup, dealing with difficult family circumstances, and recently lost his job. I know firsthand how heartbreak and depression can cloud your judgment and make you desperate for anything that temporarily takes the pain away. That’s what scares me most: not just the physical addiction, but the emotional pain underneath it.

A couple of years ago, I ended up in the hospital after making some incredibly dangerous decisions while struggling with my own heartbreak. My mom brought my younger brother to see me so he could understand how serious the consequences of those decisions could be. The thought of watching him go down a similar path breaks my heart.

But here’s what I’m holding on to: he came to me. He trusted me enough to tell me the truth about what was happening, and he’s actively asking for help. He’s never come to me with anything like this before, and I can’t begin to explain how much that trust means to me.

I don’t want to scare him away by lecturing him, judging him, or acting like another parent. I want to be someone he can be completely honest with, especially when things get difficult. But I also can’t let my fear of learning the truth keep me from understanding what he’s up against.

So here I am.

I’m hoping to hear from people who have experienced 7-OH addiction, particularly at the doses he was taking. What do you wish your family had understood? What helped you feel supported without feeling judged or controlled? And what should someone in my position know that I may not even realize I need to ask?

I’m scared for him. Really fucking scared. But he came to me because he needed someone, and I’ll be damned if I let him down.

My 3 year daily habit has been a secret so the withdrawals I’ve suffered completely alone. In my fucked up mind I don’t feel ready to admit it. 7oh withdrawals were intense but they ended so much quicker and abrupter. I’m on day 6 I think and the Kratom withdrawal is like a slow marathon of torture, I still feel like all my extremities are completely void of strength. I’m trying to care for my kids, just standing up to make them lunch leaves me winded. My brain even remembering what a twinge of happiness or pleasure feels like is impossible. I still have insane body aches like the flu, taking trazadone to sleep but it gives me migraines the next day. Clonidine stopped working for some reason about day 3, now all it does is give me dry mouth and dizziness without any relief.

I’m just shouting into the void feeling like what’s the point of any of this.

I know this may be TMI for the guys but after just 33 days off the kratom I got my period after almost 2 years 😱😱😱. I knew it was effecting my body hormones and everything else inside me but I can’t believe how fast my body is responding to being clean. I’ve put on some weight and even though I’m tired 24/7 I feel sort of normal. I can’t wait to see what else changes… keep going guys!!! I won’t say it’s easy but we can all do it. 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼

A month ago i decided to CT a 18-20gpd kratom powder habit of almost 2 years. I was tired of all the side effects and tired of being a shell of myself. I've been thru all kinds of wds including fent. Kratom wd isn't easy but it's about the only one I could still work while going thru the wds. The worst wds for me was no sleep but I went months with 0 to 2 hrs of sleep a night with other wds so a couple weeks with kratom was easy for me. I noticed a huge difference in how i felt on day 28. I played tennis with my husband every day after CT just to get some exercise in. I didn't push myself, I usually let the ball bounce more than once before hitting it, but I was exercising and it was fun, even when I had 0 energy. I really think the tennis helped. I'm sleeping 6-7 hours a night now. I'm so much more productive at work. I think days 14-25 I had a slight depression and flatness going on but today I feel great. My anxiety is gone. I do want to note that my depression and anxiety was non-existent before I started using anything so I knew my depression would lift once I got clean. Not everyone will experience PAWS so please don't let that scare you from stopping. I had forgotten how great life can be. I laugh all the time. I cry at sad movies. Music is beautiful. The sun feels so good on my face again. If you are in the middle ' keep going!! You can have your life back - you just have to fight for it!

For context this is day 3 for me and it somehow feels like the worst day so far. Is this normal? I have gone through this in the past and I don't remember it getting worse on day 3. I don't think I took too much more than what I did in the past. I'm just really starting to get worried because the symptoms are starting to get overwhelming. My rls is full body now and is unbearable. I am feeling slightly nauseous and my anxiety is the highest it's been so far. Just not looking forward to the night I haven't been able to sleep a wink so far, and is trazodone something I can take for sleep?

If you want to skip my background and just read the question, it’s at the bottom.

Background: I started using Kratom (powder) a little over 7 years ago for nerve pain. It was really the only thing that helped, but after a year or so I realized I had a pretty heavy dependency. After 3 years, I was definitely addicted.

By year 6ish I was using around 35g a day.

For a long time I didn’t want to stop. Made me happier, more social, stopped my pain, and honestly made me kinda a better person. But, around year 6 I got tired of relying on it, trying to travel with it, and trying to pack it so I could bring it with me when I go out.

I wanted to quit but didn’t have a “good” reason to. Then it became illegal in my state and I thought, “great reason to stop.”

So I Did.

Question: That was 70-80 days ago.

Made it through withdrawals, the RLS, the moodiness, I can finally workout again (and am working out) and all that, but now my feet are constantly freezing. I’ve always been kinda a cold person, especially in the mornings, but it would eventually go away. This doesn’t.

The only thing that works are hot showers.
1: Does anyone else have this going on, or had it going on, and what do you do to help it?
2: Does it go away?

Also, my bloodwork is normal. (Someone usually asks)

At what point do I stop taking the lipo vitamin C, I did 2 loading phase days and I'm currently on day three of cold turkey so this is my 5th day of taking the vitamin c. When do I stop?

PS I'm still feeling the withdrawals pretty hard, can't sleep still, stomach is bugging out, I'm too hot and then too cold, and just the general muscle aches and pains

I understand this isn't the case for everybody, maybe your "pink cloud" feeling lasted 2 days, maybe someone else's happiness lasted longer or even eternally. I think telling people that "it wont last, enjoy it now" is really discouraging because i do believe some people's happiness actually lasts, i'm not saying you feel happy 24/7 but you feel happy!

I've been addicted for about 2 years now, my experience with kratom was mostly positive until a bout a week ago it then caused me extreme panic. I am very afraid to go cold turkey I need guidance.

I just read this in a post and I'm wondering other's opinions. I personally find quitting leaf a loooong slog - along with 45 days if hard core 'will to live' sapping insomnia. I've never used 7OH or these other purified extracts so I have nothing like that to compare to.

We know the unpurified leaf has 20+ alkaloids where 7OH is distilled to just one - 7oh-hydroxymitragynine.

I will say I'd gladly trade a codeine, hydrocodone ... maybe an oxycodone withdrawal to a leaf withdrawal. The regular opioids offer a relatively short, brutal withdrawal. You'll be sleeping in probably under 10 days. Heck, you'll get your motivation back in under 2 weeks.

Leaf wirhdrawal just blankets your existence for a solid month with crushing anhedonia and the criminally insane insomnia.

If you or a loved one is taking cats claw from a smoke shop, I would strongly advise you to make a game plan to quit asap, seek help if you can’t stop on your own. I hate to scare anyone but it seems necessary with the amount of confusion I hear from people taking cats claw.

“Authentic cat’s claw is an herbal vine and is not the same substance as 7-OH or concentrated kratom extracts.
Some smoke-shop products labeled “Cat’s Claw” have tested positive for undeclared opioid-active compounds, including mitragynine pseudoindoxyl and MGM-15.”

“In Utah, officials reported that tested Buzzers Cat’s Claw tablets contained mitragynine pseudoindoxyl and MGM-15. The products were associated with overdose cases, severe health incidents, and an ongoing death investigation.”

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I'm on day 3 and tonight I'm considering taking some trazodone like a half pill. Does anyone know if that makes RLS worse? I know like Benadryl can make it worse

It’s afternoon on day 3. This morning I felt pretty normal besides really intense lower back pain and a headache. Night 2 with Seroquel I had RLS in my arms and chest the whole night couldn’t sleep until the crack of dawn.
So yesterday I was able to contact my doctor and request a change in medication. I’ve been switched from Seroquel to Gabapentin. I was out by 11:30pm last night and only woke up once.
So far I’ve been pretty suprised at how normal I feel besides this tightness in my chest that won’t go away with any medication. As well as weird gut sensations, fatigue, agitation and a constant low grade headache.
I’ve read that day 3 is usually when WD symptoms peak or get worse so far it’s been getting better day by day. Granted I’m coming off of 8gpd after weening down from about 25-30gpd it’s hard to say I really wasn’t even measuring doses at my worst.
If I could go back and tell myself anything back in March when I first wanted to quit, I would tell myself to not be afraid of the doctor or helper meds. To advocate for myself and that it is 100% possible to get out of that awful loop of doseing every 3 hrs and being afraid to go anywhere without my kratom and an easy way to get it into my system. I cannot wait to get back to how I was 4 years ago. We got this, I wouldn’t be here without this subreddit❤️

My mood and depression have subsided 85%. Ill get some creeping crappy thoughts but i am able to push them away. My rls isnt rls but i still "feel" my legs. Honestly what has helped ME PERSONALLY was ill wake up at 1 am like wide awake. Ill go outside smoke a cigarette and my rls is gone for 45 min. Lol honestly its really helped bad for you but i can easily quit once my rls is done. I also take gabapentin but to be 100% i really didnt feel good on gabapentin did nothing but make me tired. I think it made the rls better though. Guys i am not a medical professional but he #1 thing that took me outta the major depressive anxiety funk of nothing but terrible thoughts and self loathing is Marijuana. Ill take a bong rip and im so happy for the rest of the day i guess its since your dopamine is so low after quitting the rush of dopamine from thc is overwhelming. Its amazing you feel so good. Never ever felt that from weed. Also i recreationally use weed i live in a legal state. But guys day 11 life is starting to get good again. Everyone says it. Yea kratom makes you feel amazing. It just "clicked" for me. Id rather take a few focus and flow drinks then pop percocet or any opiate. Kratom oddly enough produced a much higher euphoria to me then opiates its just the right chemicals for my adhd brain to fucking LOVE.

Did a message on day 3 & so appreciated all of the advice & kind responses. I’m super pleasantly surprised by how I feel. I CT off a pretty high powder dose. I think I was probably at around 50gpd but I didn’t keep good track.

I play racket sports & just went out & played for a few hours. I feel so much better. I didn’t really want to go but it’s funny everyone I normally play with was surprised at how much I improved. I did notice this before when I had been off for a long time I’m way more coordinated & when I’m high on Kratom I’m significantly worst. So that’s a fun surprise I had forgotten about. Day 5 is really early. I took LDN the last two days & it didn’t strengthen my withdrawal symptoms so I’m going to keep doing that. I think anecdotally it helps you heal faster. I do think day 3 is aggressive to start & could have back fired so I wouldn’t recommend starting that soon. I’m still a bit sluggish & I woke up at 3:30 & ended up having to drug myself back asleep. Slept in pretty late. My work is super stressful right now but I feel somewhat detached for better or worst. My give a damn is lower which I’ll take over crippling anxiety. I’m really determined to make this my last quit. I’ve done this way too many times over the years. I think it’s been like 12 years which is insane. 6 years ago I got serious about quitting & to my shame I keep relapsing every year or several times a year. It’s gotten really old. I do have to fight off the feeling of self loathing with this. It’s hard not to get disgusted by my lack of progress but I know that’s incredibly unproductive so I am trying really hard to be kind to myself & just focus on the man I want to be. Addiction is such a bitch. I feel like it’s plagued me my entire adult life & this go around I am going to find a therapist or someone to figure out why the fuck I keep doing the things I don’t want to do.

Anyhow keep after it everyone. It’s early in this quit but you may get lucky like me. I think I’m through the worst of it & it’s up from here. The fear a lot of the time is greater than the momentary suffering of breaking the chains of addiction. It’s a weird battle of the mind but I believe we are all capable of breaking free. The trick for me is to not get cocky later & think I can dabble with vices & control them. I have a lifetime of experience that says I can’t & will end up in a bad spot.

Was struggling with work and after managing to fully quit I got back on in hopes it might help. Obviously that was a big mistake and I regret it almost immediately. I lost the job but at least now I have time to quit. I'm on day 2 and really feeling hopeless. I'm living alone for the first time in my life and just struggling right now. The lack of sleep is just the worst. I literally cannot sleep at all. I did the megadose vitamin c this time and I think it helped slightly but the it hasn't helped with the RLS or sleep.

I relapsed about 2 weeks ago off of extract shots. I didn’t think I did much. Within these 2 weeks, I’d take a shot a day for a couple days, go 2 days without, the all over again. Yet, I feel slight withdrawals and I’m feeling the effects of it.

Before these 2 weeks, I had motivation. I was going to the gym, staying busy, and staying focused at work. Now I’m experiencing constantly restlessness, agitation, irritability, body aches, brain fog, fatigue, anhedonia, insomnia, and migraines. I feel much more lazy, and I scroll my phone instead of hobbies.

Today completes a full day Kratom free, and I’m not going back. I feel awful now, but I’m not going back. I am so thankful I quit before experiencing horrendous withdrawals. If you’re reading this right now and recently relapsed, please quit while you’re ahead. The pain and withdrawals will only get worse the longer you are on it. I didn’t think I did it enough to make a difference, but I was wrong.

Hello, I just stopped using kratom after 6 years (over 40g/day). I quit cold turkey, im on 7th day now, kinda fucked up on 4th day took a small dose of 3g which affected me a little the next day. I feel better now but I got RLS and feel very shitty at school, thought about taking xans which I did for 2 days but I stopped today because I felt like it just made me dependent on it. I don't know what could help, but my legs kinda annoy me and I just have a bad feeling at school, any tips on how to manage this?

Does anyone know the standard wait period to transition to subs from mit tabs

My memory feels shot. I've been on kratom almost 12 years. I'm down to 6 or 7 grams a day. It still feels like I'm taking 50 Gpd. My brain is foggy 24/7. I feel like the last 11 years have been a dream. I have entire chunks of memory missing. . I'm also tapering off a year long Ativan habit at the moment as well and I think it's making me think about my mental health more.. I'm realizing how foggy and forgetful I am now that I'm focusing on it. Tbh I'm scared.I'm 35 years old and have anxiety already and now I'm scared of losing my mind.

Hi guys. 2 years ago I fought the beast and finally won. With the help of this amazing sub, I have been k free for 2 years (minus one 5 day relapse). Life hasn't been easy but omg it has been so much better off the sludge. I was using up to 60gpd of the leaf powder (for 4 years). With help from this sub, I tapered down to 12 gpd and then jumped. The wds were a lot worse than I expected for a "gas station drug".

Which brings me to why I thought to post here. I recently came down with a gnarly flu but didnt realize it. I woke up in what I thought were acute withdrawls. I was so confused at 2 am, trying to figure out wtf i could possibly be withdrawing from (nothing, lol). As I writhed around in my bed, sweating and shivering and in legit pain, I realized i have some kind of flu. And then it hit me, withdrawl use to be more normal to me than catching a virus. This is the first flu I have had since my quit. It is crazy that my mind went immediately to "oh shit here we go wding again" instead of "what virus did I catch?". Lol

Addiction is a genuinely wild and terrifying ride. I am eternally grateful that I managed to quit kratom before it killed me. It took me a dozen quits before it stuck. So the moral of my story is NEVER STOP QUITTING. It will finally click and then you will be free. I am free as long as i dont take that first dose. I have all the power over the first one and so do you. You got this and I am incredibly proud of anyone trying to quit. Bless you all 💜