Im pretty much on the start of the 6th month. Still not feeling 100%. Does anyone get this thirsty/craving feeling? It feels like thirst but its not. I used to get it in-between kratom doses when I would withdrawl.

I was on about 40 GPD of powder kratom, not extracts ever, no 7oh or anything else.

Im currently having pretty bad back pain, I dont believe its the withdrawal and I'm getting xrays next week. But I still think some of the pain im feeling is from PAWS.

My motivation is slowly coming back, I sleep well, and my energy is definitely improving. Its been a big overall improvement this past month. I hope everyone is staying the fuck away from kratom.

Tldr: pain, thirsty feeling, 40gpd, 6 montbs clean.

If you or a loved one is taking cats claw from a smoke shop, I would strongly advise you to make a game plan to quit asap, seek help if you can’t stop on your own. I hate to scare anyone but it seems necessary with the amount of confusion I hear from people taking cats claw.

“Authentic cat’s claw is an herbal vine and is not the same substance as 7-OH or concentrated kratom extracts.
Some smoke-shop products labeled “Cat’s Claw” have tested positive for undeclared opioid-active compounds, including mitragynine pseudoindoxyl and MGM-15.”

“In Utah, officials reported that tested Buzzers Cat’s Claw tablets contained mitragynine pseudoindoxyl and MGM-15. The products were associated with overdose cases, severe health incidents, and an ongoing death investigation.”

wildwoodrecovery.com

Has anyone taken cats eye(KLAZ, script, etc) to stop 7oh and once you knew the physical withdrawal symptoms of stopping 7oh passed you then stopped cat eyes as well. Did you have withdrawal from cat eyes? I’m getting told from my smoke shops that there are no withdrawal from the cat eyes. Please someone help, I need to get off of this so bad. PS: I’m new to taking cat eyes.

Took my last dose at 11pm last night. Today went pretty well. Felt normal, just very tired so I took a few naps. It’s currently 2:30am I’ve been trying to sleep since 11pm. Every time I almost fall asleep my arms feel the need to move and it runs up into my chest. I’ve given up on sleeping I looked it up and the 50mg of Seroquel I took at 11pm is apparently making restlessness in my chest and arms worse. This is awful I’m so tired but can’t stay still for more than 20 mins. Not sure what to do honestly. I’m going to ask my doctor for gabapentin in the morning but wow this is going to be a rough night.

Edit: I made it through the night and I feel amazing this morning. Thank you so much for all the encouragement seriously!
I Didn’t fall asleep until 5am but I woke up at 11am this morning and I feel fine, was I even addicted to anything? I can’t help but feel like I was a bit dramatic last night but I also know it was absolute hell switching from the couch to my bed to the floor. Doing push ups and putting cold packs on. I’m so glad I’m through that and didn’t relapse like I wanted to so bad. I expect the same thing to happen to me tonight, guess I just have to fight though it.

Kicked Kratom to the curb over two years ago and haven't looked back. It was the hardest drug to get off, and I've tried them all but just know this.....YOU CAN DO IT.....WILL POWER AND SLOW AND LONG TAPER!! Hang tough people!!

Going to Thailand in 4 weeks. I have to quit before the week we leave. Ive tapered from 70-80gpd to 40gpd. Brutal. Luckiky where i buy it its not expensive. (40$ for 500g). Im cutting in half on Thursday, so my withdrawals will be mostly during the weekend and hopefully by Monday its not so bad for work. Then curing in half until that Friday. My goal is to cold turkey by the friday after, so I can have 10 days free before being on a 30 hour flight. Im taking supplements and blah blah, helping a bit, but is there anything else people have used to help with the withdrawals more? This has taken over my life for 12ish years. Ive had a few 6 months stints without it, but nevertheless, I've gone back. Im tired and Im done.

151 hours, 6 days CT. Tapered down for a year from 50-60 gpd to 20-30 over the last month or so but kept cheating. I was quite miserable. I sucked it up - went out of the house for only the 2nd time in 6 days. I feel quite a bit better at this point. All my muscles are/were in knots! Fuck Kratom! I curse the day I picked it up!

We've been doing a weekly 'Newbie Tuesday' There Is A Way Out meeting over at kratom quitters dot com that's precisely for anyone who is either trying to quit, just quit, struggling with the process, tapering, serially relapsing, etc.

Every Tuesday at 4. You're welcome to remain anonymous and are under no obligation to be on camera or share your own story. BUT - this is precisely FOR people who need a group setting and don't want to be vibed out being around others who've been stacking up months and years.

Here we go again! Been eating A LOT, a privilege I have maybe is that i would never take extracts in the evening/ night, only in the day time so maybe i'd be withdrawing all night but not as bad and now that i've left cold turkey maybe my body was more prepared...I feel energized and I feel like i have all these plans and things I have to take care of, things i was too lazy/ sluggish to do in kratom addiction...future planning, not seeing how i can keep my habit up like before. I feel like i have a lot of catching up with myself to do.

Hi,

im here with an update. again a small intro, I used for 5 years . 2 was recreational and 3 was daily. only got up to 40+ GPD daily use around 8 months ago and started getting actual nerve damage from it.

ive been using gabapentin 200 mg at night. epsom salt baths the nights I can’t slee and .1mg clonadine.

i think I lucked out because my acutes have been extremely minor. I’ve been working out every day and the only acute symptoms I’ve received are restlessness (only at nigh but I can still sleep well once I get out of the bath) and absolutely the worst tummy aches of all time.

i was clinically depressed for the months I tapered down, but ever since I stopped my brain has been feeling a lot better. I’m naturally more happy throughout the day with lethargy around night time when I usually took my doses. But before I was depressed all day and then had 30 minutes of euphoria from tea, just to be depressed again. So I’d say it’s an improvement.

gonna stop taking helper meds Friday so if I get rebound insomnia it won’t really matter. Anyways please taper lads. I got down to 4GPD from 48GPD and it was rough but i truly believe it allowed me to skip the paws part of quitting, but I’ll give more updates latter to let you know.

love you all! And good luck, feel free to reach out if you’re also quitting or around my time if you want a buddy do hold you accountable

Has anyone tried microdosing mushies after they were past the accutes? I'm 3 months out and still dealing with bad depresion. Was thinking about microdosing to see if it helps.

I know this is a bit off topic but I am desperate and have tried antidepressants in the past with little to no benefit. Also don't have insurance so can't get a Rx even if I wanted to. I just need some relief from the depresion! This is what caused me to relapse last time. I'm not having cravings or thinking about using right now but I can feel it getting worse.

I've quit 7 days ago after 28 day taper. Given that my body adjusted to many WD symptoms during taper, final cut acutes were different - no RLS, sleep is solid but fatigue, anhedonia, tiredness is overwhelming. It's getting better but slowly. Motivation comes in waves.

How long did acute WDs last for you?

Background: 40-45gpd for 3 years

Finding this sub has been very encouraging. I’ve been using Kratom everyday about 2 years, averaging 10-12g a day, which for me is about 20-24 capsules of red maeng da. I need advice on the taper.

I have mild success of getting it down to say 16 capsules a day, but then the cravings get bad or progress seems hopelessly slow and I’ll take some for the relief. Most of the time, like 99/100 I don’t get any euphoria. I want to quit.

Right now I’m trying to spread my doses out by at least 4 hours, taking about 4 capsules each time. But the hours in between absolutely suck. Then sometimes I’ll take like 6g at once and that’ll buy me like 8 hours. Which method is better, if any? Bigger doses less frequently, or smaller and more frequently?

I’ve quit before after a few months of use and I remember the restless legs being absolutely hell. Would love to avoid that with a slow taper. Any advice is greatly appreciated

I am having a septoplasty on Monday and I take 240 mg of mitragynine a day (equivalent to roughly 24 grams of kratom). i will be given anesthesia. I did not tell the doctor at the pre-op visit, so I am calling today to tell them. I don’t know if they’ll even know what it is, but do y’all think the surgery will get delayed because of this? I’m assuming not telling them would be a stupid decision

Edit: I have SR and can quit Kratom entirely but I assume SR has its own interactions with anesthesia as well

I used between 9-21 grams (meaning up to 42 500mg capsules) of loose leaf for the past three months. Never tried 7-oh, never tried any concentrate. I tried to stop the capsules immediately but the restless legs are killing me. Im a father of two kids under 3, and a wife who needs help with childcare. I also work each day. I can manage the anxiety and other withdrawal symptoms, and have been while reducing my take from 21 grams at my most to at most 7 grams (14 capsules) at night to help sleep the past 4 days. But I'm trying to stop it completely and the inability to fall asleep and the restlessness are killing me and taking my ability to function during the day away. How long does this restless leg last? Should I ask my doctor for some gabapentin (which I believe helps with restless leg) or Trazadone to help fall asleep? Once I'm asleep I'm fine, but it's the falling asleep that's killing me. Any advice is deeply appreciated.

then i remember I'm in a battle with this stuff and its taking my full attention. currently on day 5 of a relapse period lasting almost two weeks. before that i had quit for a month. not a lot, 3gpd, but apparently its enough to rekindle the psychological withdrawal part. its so difficult to engage in conversation or laugh because my mind is preoccupied day and night. even if i change what I'm thinking about my body reminds me.

i was doing so well and was feeling great. why did i think i could "just have a dose here and there."

I'm definitely an addict. my wife flushed everything. just hoping and praying this too shall pass.

It’s supposed to help. Over in the US they give you Gabapentin but apparently in Europe the first line of treatment is Lypoic Acid and it needs to be the R-Lipoic Acid I have heard. Just started taking it last night.

A few weeks after successfully quitting kratum I decided to try the new cat's claw supplement that was at my local head shop. When the effects hit me I knew immediately that it was a kratum derivative.

But I couldn't stop after that. It became just such an easy crutch to pop forth of a pill to get through the day. That became an addiction of 200 mg a day for 2 months.

I'm now on day 8 of MGM 15 withdrawal. Start it with the classic restless legs and insomnia and now I'm on to the just constant anxiety and agitation.

I really really really wanna get off this addiction train but Jesus I miss how it made me feel.

Tell me, when will this insomnia end? I stopped kratom six days ago after using about fifteen to twenty grams a day for around a year. Today is day six, and I still have stomach problems and severe insomnia. Other symptoms are fine by now. Over the past six days, I've been sleeping for only about one hour a day, in short stretches of no more than ten/twenty minutes. I'm leaving for Thailand in a few days, and I was given hydroxyzine to help me sleep. That's supposed to work for four to five hours according to my doctor. However, last night I only slept for about two to two and a half hours after taking the pill. During the night, I had to take another dose, which allowed me to sleep for another two to two and a half hours. When will it end? I am doing 12 hours shifts and this is killing me. Also i am afraid that this will ruin my vacation in Thailand. I know that kratom is legal there, but i want to stop completly with this stuff.

What should I say…it’s just disappointing…
I used Kratom while beeing sick and needed to set up a gig…I mean it helped…the problem is..I never stopped after I recovered again.

I am now sober since Sunday 23:00. And I shit you now would I have taken Kratom yesterday if my local supplier hadn’t have closed yesterday.

And I know all this shit, now in the morning I can write this shit and as soon as it gets afternoon it doesn’t mean anything more..then only Kratom becoms important.

An I didn’t even take that much (if you compare it with last year) I used about 200g since 19.09…nethertheless the cravings and the wd feels way worse than the last time.

I hate all this shit

Ive been having something going on, took 7oh for about 1 year 500mg a day, in the first few months i remember getting this uncomfortable feel in my intestine, i video visited my doctor and had liver and kidney test and was completely fine.

Went on using 7oh for another 8 months until i developed what felt like heart palpations after meals, like 1 to 2 hr after a meal id stand up and walk to the next room and my heart rate would jump up into 135bpm along with the palpations feel and id be Shakey af i would have to sit down and calm down,

Spent the last month on 7oh i had to watch my heart rate 24/7, i was feeling twitching thru mu intestine every day, 1 to 2 hr after a meal i would get almost dizzy, like near sited my vision would be off my not quiet blurry, few times i ate something spicy or drank a cold smothy and i could feel it 10 mins later running down my right side intestine like a tingling sensation,

Ive been in and out of doctors offices, had my blood work done 5 times all is completely fine, had xrays and an ultrasound both were fine, im currently wearing a heart monitor for a week.

Im a month and a half off 7oh on subs and i still get these symptom, although there getting better like my heart rate went back to normal, i chart it all up to big time digestive/ intestine damage from the solvents used to extract the 7oh left behind, the symptoms might get better for 2 or 3 days then boom im completely exhausted and anxious and stressed from this feeling in my gut, its hard to work and the last 3 days at after breakfast an hr into work i get that odd vision change, its like near sited or tunnel vision with a lightheaded feeling. I had to sit down for a min, the Shakey after meals is gone, now its feels like random flare ups? Inflammation of the intestine? Making me super tired and anxious and dizzy?

It did all start with a constipation feeling, i had what looked like blood in my stool once but that was 4 months back when still using and never happened again, i would get these white bubble looking slime coving my stool a few times and when i looked it up it said its caused when the gut is stressed out.

These where/are the system i wrote down to tell the doctor

Random muscle twitching,

Cold/hot

Palpations/ heart rate

Weak

Shakey

Burning arteries feel

Stab feel in lower chest

Achey

Stomach anxiety

Bloating

Ear ringing

Head ache

Has anyone gone thru anything similar? Not from powder leaf kratom, this was caused by only 7oh, the solvents left behind, im wondering if anyone got the same thing and found a diagnosis and how long until it completely healed, thanks.

I relapsed about 2 weeks ago off of extract shots. I didn’t think I did much. Within these 2 weeks, I’d take a shot a day for a couple days, go 2 days without, the all over again. Yet, I feel slight withdrawals and I’m feeling the effects of it.

Before these 2 weeks, I had motivation. I was going to the gym, staying busy, and staying focused at work. Now I’m experiencing constantly restlessness, agitation, irritability, body aches, brain fog, fatigue, anhedonia, insomnia, and migraines. I feel much more lazy, and I scroll my phone instead of hobbies.

Today completes a full day Kratom free, and I’m not going back. I feel awful now, but I’m not going back. I am so thankful I quit before experiencing horrendous withdrawals. If you’re reading this right now and recently relapsed, please quit while you’re ahead. The pain and withdrawals will only get worse the longer you are on it. I didn’t think I did it enough to make a difference, but I was wrong.

My memory feels shot. I've been on kratom almost 12 years. I'm down to 6 or 7 grams a day. It still feels like I'm taking 50 Gpd. My brain is foggy 24/7. I feel like the last 11 years have been a dream. I have entire chunks of memory missing. . I'm also tapering off a year long Ativan habit at the moment as well and I think it's making me think about my mental health more.. I'm realizing how foggy and forgetful I am now that I'm focusing on it. Tbh I'm scared.I'm 35 years old and have anxiety already and now I'm scared of losing my mind.