r/prochoice • u/Wandering_News_Junky • 10h ago
r/prochoice • u/littlemetalpixie • Mar 15 '23
MOD ANNOUNCEMENT On AntiNatalism, how it is not the same as being Pro Choice, and why this topic needs to be separated from the Pro Choice discussion
Hi Everyone!
The mod team would like the sub to understand a few things about the stance we take on AntiNatalist discourse here, and why we do not typically allow it.
There is a lot of confusion between these terms even within our own community, and our goal is to help people who consider themselves pro choice and also antinatalist to see how these terms are not only not equivalent, but are actually in direct opposition to one another.
All Pro Choice People are not AntiNatalist (or even Pro-Abortion)
We often get AntiNatalists in the sub who believe they are helping the Pro Choice cause, and while they are welcome here - provided the rules, beliefs, and standards of our sub are upheld - usually these posts or comments need mod intervention due to breaking our sub's rules regarding non-prochoice rhetoric and expectations of non-prochoice people. These topics should be separated in conversations surrounding choice, so as not to muddy the waters in the current political environment. Our sub's mod team does not support antinatalist ideology.
Pro Choice =/= Pro Abortion OR AntiNatalism
While seemingly aligned with the prochoice cause, being AntiNatalist or Pro-Abortion isn't the same thing as being Pro Choice.
Many people are under the misconception that being pro choice means being pro-abortion or AntiNatalist. While there is some overlap, this simply isn't the case for everyone (or even most) in our demographic. * Being pro-abortion means that in certain circumstances (the most common are when people become pregnant under a certain age or when their life or economic circumstances aren't ideal) someone would advocate for the pregnant person to have an abortion rather than give birth even if the pregnant person does not want to have an abortion and would choose to birth the child. * Being AntiNatalist is subscribing to the philosophy that humans in general should not be procreating at all, and that it is immoral or wrong to even consider doing so due to the state of the world, overpopulation, and many other reasons.
Many of us are already parents. Many others intend to become parents, but are not ready to at this time. And almost none of us believe that no one should have children, or that anyone should have to have an abortion if they don't want to. By inserting pro-abortion or AntiNatalist ideologies into the Pro Choice debate, we cause the topics to become tangled to people who are anti abortion and prefer not to understand the myriad of reasons one may have an abortion even if they do not want to - even if they were trying to conceive and really wanted the pregnancy, but things didn't go the way they intended.
The truth is even people with wanted pregnancies are hurt by abortion bans - people who want to be parents but have something go wrong with the pregnancy or in their life circumstances that cause them to have to terminate a pregnancy; a birth defect that would lead to infant mortality or a nonviable pregnancy, a spouse who becomes abusive, or a life threatening condition that comes up due to the pregnancy are the first things that come to mind, but this list isn't exhaustive by any means.
While it could be said that many (if not most or even all) AntiNatalists are against abortion bans, the same is not true in reverse - antinatalists make up a very small percentage of the total Pro Choice population, and assuming (or insinuating in discourse) that all of us are against parenthood is an incorrect assumption that is more aligned with the anti choice communities and their rhetoric. It does more harm than good, and gives them more ammo against us.
Being Pro Choice is about CHOICE
This include the choice to conceive and birth children.
The very core of our ideology is that every single living being has the unalienable human right to have agency over his or her own body, what happens to and inside of it, and when/where/how/if they choose to procreate. We value personal choice above all else - we feel, on the whole, that the choice to decide what is best for one's life and family, the choice to decide not to have children, the choice to not have children now but perhaps later on in life, and the right to make these choices and then change our minds about them if we so choose and when we choose are ours and ours alone, as an individual human, to make.
How AntiNatalist discourse is counterproductive to the Pro Choice Movement
While we recognize that not procreating at all, ever, is a choice (and we support you if that is your choice!) we would like to take a moment to help people see how injecting AntiNatalist discourse into the PC discussion can be harmful to our cause.
For the record, we almost never see AntiNatalists who are maliciously attempting to undermine choice - almost all of them who come to our sub and have to have comments or posts removed, do so without realizing how what they said came across as being the antithesis of choice, or how they have broken our sub's rules. We attempt to help them see it, but we do have to remove that content because it is against the rules and the core principles in the sub.
Making the decision to be childfree is a personal choice.
We're with you here - and we think you should be supported in making that choice if that is what you choose. Many on our mod team are also childfree by choice.
Where the two points diverge, though, is in the projection of that choice on others. AntiNatalist ideologies are not the same as making the personal decision to remain childfree. AntiNatalist ideologies promote the idea that no one should procreate, ever.
In the discussion around choice, this is another removal of said choice. This is the other end of the spectrum of being antichoice - Pro Lifers argue that everyone who conceives should give birth. AntiNatalists argue that no one should.
Both options take away the personal agency of the individual, in favor of the ideology of another. Both take the choice away from the only person who should be making it.
Supporting Choice means supporting the choice to parent, too.
We do not advocate for forced abortions or forced sterilization here - for anyone (and this includes AMAB people, so this also means talk of forced vasectomy is also completely off the table here, no exceptions.)
If you identify with AntiNatalist ideology, we simply ask that you take a moment to think about the things you are promoting in the name of being Pro Choice, how you word them, and that you please try to separate these two discussions when you engage in Pro Choice discussions.
AntiNatalist Ideology is Steeped in Misogyny
You can advocate for having abortion bans be abolished. You can even advocate for being child free.
However, advocating that anyone should not be allowed to procreate, or even that they shouldn't is restricting choice and it is also parent-shaming. AntiNatalist ideology tends to only focus on people who are AFAB, and puts all of the impetus to not procreate on the AFAB person, the same way antichoicers do.
Instead of shaming AFAB people for "killing their babies," this argument is just turning that around and shaming AFAB people for "being too selfish to not have children, considering the state of our world."
Shaming is shaming, and shaming AFAB people for being AFAB and what their body can and can't or should and shouldn't do is misogyny.
Telling someone they must be a mother is the same thing as telling them they must not.
Some on our own mod team here are parents, too. Many of our members are. And millions of pro choice people worldwide are. The same way we do not restrict people who claim to be "personally pro life but legally pro choice" from posting or commenting here, we also would not restrict people who are personally child free or even believe in AntiNatalism but still support individual choice.
But we will not allow shaming, and we will not allow discourse that takes away any choices or makes people feel they are wrong for making them.
The bottom line:
If you aren't trying to make decisions for others or influence the decisions you think they should be making you're welcome to say, think, and believe anything you want. Where we draw the line is when it shames, harms, or otherwise reduces the agency of others to make those same choices in the way they make sense to them, for their own lives.
Anyone is welcome here if they are respectful, willing to listen and not just talk at people, and willing to follow the sub's rules. This is true of Pro Life people, and also of AntiNatalists - but please consider what you've read here if you fall into the second category.
If you still consider yourself to be Pro Choice as well as AntiNatalist, we only ask three things of you:
- Keep the AntiNatalism part of your comments out of this sub please.
- Think on what I've said here, and whether it truly aligns with being in favor of the freedom of choice for all.
- Please follow the sub's rules where they pertain to pressing views on others, debating topics, or arguing for the removal of anyone's choice to do anything at all concerning their reproduction, including NOT reproducing. These are specifically rules 1 and 2 in the sub.
Thank you!
- The r/prochoice mod team
r/prochoice • u/burtzev • 19h ago
Reproductive Rights News Women are protesting in Poland for free access to legal abortions
r/prochoice • u/AbortionPillsMailed • 1d ago
Reproductive Rights News Women Want Abortion Care Without the Waiting, the Cost, or the Digital Trail. Now We Have the Research.
r/prochoice • u/Safe-Designer-1853 • 18h ago
Abortion Legislation Been to my first massive protest today
Today across all Poland at 18:00 in all major cities happened a protest to legalize abortion.
Ten years ago women in Poland came out on the streets and stood up against the government wanting to make abortion laws even stricter
Exactly 6 years ago the polish government band abortions. People in Poland were furious. They again went out to the streets and said their disapproval but it did nothing.
Three years ago a new political party won the votes of many women saying "within 100 days of getting elected we will legalize abortion" and they did nothing FOR THREE YEARS
Yesterday they passed an act that allows abortion but only in really strict circumstances. They only did that cause they were scared. They heard millions of people plan massive protests and they finally decided to do something. But today all of the planned protests happened. It was my first one and I have never felt so connected to a group of people. I lost my voice from shouting but I would rather lose my voice 1000 times more just so a women's life could be saved. Abortion saves life's and I won't let older men choose what to do with my body. And if you are a men reading this and you're thinking to yourself "it doesn't effect me" IT DOES. You probably have a mother, a sister, a cousin, a friend, a colleague and legal abortion can save their life.
r/prochoice • u/Intelligent_Cap7620 • 18h ago
Activism Ma solo io trovo assurdo che una donna possa vedersi negare l’accesso all’aborto da un medico obiettore anche quando il feto presenta gravi malformazioni o anomalie?
Mi chiedo come si possa anteporre l’obiezione di coscienza di un medico alla possibilità di una donna di scegliere come affrontare una situazione così dolorosa e delicata. Voi cosa ne pensate?
r/prochoice • u/heartzzforhana • 1d ago
Rant/Rave Abortion is a humans rights issue
I mean, it's a no brainer but I mean it in a sense where pro-choicers genuinely seem to believe that the fetus deserves more human right's than the mother. And it's insane bc that means these people consider every single woman unworthy of her bodily autonomy. Their sisters, wives, doughters, mothers, everyone. And with every passing day I just feel like allowing anyone to think this way is harmful to a society as a whole, bc if you genuinely believe this woman doesn't deserve her human rights just because she might someday get pregnant then aren't you going to consider her as someone below you? A subhuman unworthy of their human rights? Idk, I'm lwk just spiraling atp but it's so scary to me as a 18 year old woman that this may be how man and politicians think of us woman someday.
r/prochoice • u/BigClitMcphee • 1d ago
Meme "Abortion is eugenics!" Is the government forcing abortions on 'undesirable' women? Is abortion the go-to solution when a non-white woman shows up pregnant at a health clinic? Our taxes aren't even allowed to fund Planned Parenthood.
r/prochoice • u/bloomberg • 2d ago
Anti-choice News Polish President’s Aide Signals Veto to Abortion Law Is Likely
r/prochoice • u/tin8374 • 2d ago
Thought The right to an abortion should be a constitutional amendment.
That would be one of my platforms if I were to be a president. To create an amendment guaranteeing the right for all women to have access to abortions nationwide, no matter the term
r/prochoice • u/tofeethecatto • 3d ago
Rant/Rave My roommates "clinic" is still texting her about the baby. Shes not pregnant anymore.
Posting this bc im fuming about it and my roommate said its ok to share. We call her Emily (F27). Back in August she found out she was pregnant. She already knew that she wanted to terminate, so she booked a consult at a place that had good reviews online and i drove her because she didnt want to go alone. I sat in the waiting room for around an hour, it looked like a regular doctors office, and I didnt think too much about it at the time. She was super off and quiet when she came back out, when we got in the car she told me that the woman (bc she def wasnt med staff) spent most of the time asking about her boyfriend and her religious beliefs, then did an ultrasound and keep insisting she look at her baby like wtf??
It became super obvious something was up bc the woman told Emily she was 11 weeks pregnant, but that was impossible bc she tracks her cycle and knows exactly when it happened, and it definitely wasnt 11 weeks, it was 6 weeks. That woman had the AUDACITY to tell Emily she was further along. When I tell you I wish I was in the room with her…we ended up finding a legit clinic after we got home and she got the care she wanted few days later.
Every couple weeks since shes been getting texts saying things like “thinking of you and baby”, “your appointment is still waiting for you”. A CARD showed up in the mail, a CARD. What if she still lived with her parents or someone who she didnt want to know? We did our research and found out that place is something called a crisis pregnancy center. Literally rigged to trick you out of your choices and autonomy. They dress themselves up like clinics and arent held to the same pricacy or HIPAA standards as a real clinic, so they can do whatever they want with your info when they get it at intake. I guess my friend picked this place because they said the pregnancy test and ultrasound were free. Were just so grossed out by the whole situation.
Has anyone gotten one of these places to stop contacting them? She blocked the number and they just texted from a new one.
r/prochoice • u/AbortionPillsMailed • 2d ago
Things Anti-choicers Say Townhall Wants You to Believe Abortion Access Is Racism. Let’s Talk About That.
In a recent Townhall opinion piece, Nicholas DeSimone of Students for Life Action attempts to turn Margaret Sanger’s troubling association with eugenics into an indictment of modern abortion care.
His argument? Planned Parenthood is supposedly carrying out a campaign of racial elimination by providing abortions to low-income women and communities of color.
It’s a remarkable accusation built on a fundamental distortion.
Eugenics is about controlling who gets to reproduce. Reproductive freedom is about allowing women to decide for themselves.
Sanger’s history deserves scrutiny. But historical wrongdoing does not establish that women seeking abortions today are participating in genocide or that Planned Parenthood is orchestrating one.
DeSimone also portrays defunding Planned Parenthood as a stand against systemic racism. Yet his commentary fails to reckon with what restricting access to contraception, cancer screenings, STI testing, and other reproductive healthcare could mean for the very communities he claims to defend.
And perhaps the most revealing part of his argument is the assumption that women of color and low-income women cannot be trusted to make their own reproductive decisions without someone intervening on their behalf.
There is nothing empowering about treating women as incapable of making their own choices.
If Students for Life Action wants to discuss reproductive injustice, let’s discuss forced sterilization, maternal mortality disparities, inadequate healthcare access, poverty, and the consequences of denying women control over pregnancy.
But don’t confuse providing someone with a choice with forcing that choice upon them.
Reproductive justice means having the freedom to have a child, not have a child, and raise children in safe, healthy conditions.
That’s the distinction this Townhall opinion piece fails to make.
r/prochoice • u/cruisethevistas • 3d ago
Abortion Legislation Abortion rights in Indiana, US | Not able to collect his ashes due to the law in 2020
r/prochoice • u/Individual-Gene3917 • 2d ago
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r/prochoice • u/jk4532 • 3d ago
Activism Stop an abortion ban initiative in Missouri
In 2024, pro-choice advocates in Missouri successfully passed Amendment 3 and added a fundamental right to reproductive freedom to the state constitution, earning 51.6% of the vote from the same people who favored Trump by 18. After a long legal battle, we’re seeing it put to good use, as a judge ruled last week that most of the state’s challenged abortion regulations are now unconstitutional.
The right wing hasn’t accepted the people want abortion rights in Missouri anymore than they have anywhere else, and this November the legislature has pushed an initiative onto the ballot to re-ban most abortions In the Show Me State – confusingly also named Amendment 3. They’re of course not counting on having changed anyone’s mind. Instead they’re testing a new strategy - including a ban on gender-affirming care for trans kids in the ballot question, hoping to get pro-choicers to flip for transphobia’s sake. (This sort of health care is already banned by state law in Missouri.)
☎️ So we’re gearing up to stop this attack on reproductive rights and trans kids. The Stop The Ban campaign is textbanking on Thursdays from 6:30-8PM ET Eastern. Let's sign up to join them here. We can also phonebank on this and another Missouri initiatives here. ☎️
r/prochoice • u/FewHeat1231 • 4d ago
Discussion Why is it so hard for politicians to understand many people can personally have qualms about abortion AND still want it kept legal?
It seems to be whenever abortion is on the ballot in America bans are heavily defeated by the voters even in very conservative states. I understand I'm biased because I fall into this group myself but a lot of people have personal or moral discomfort with abortion but still want reproductive rights protected.
r/prochoice • u/AbortionPillsMailed • 4d ago
Discussion “Just keep your legs closed” is one of the laziest, most ignorant arguments against abortion
“Just keep your legs closed” is one of the laziest, most ignorant arguments against abortion because it reduces a complicated human reality to a demand for female sexual obedience.
It assumes women control every circumstance in which pregnancy occurs. They don’t. Rape, sexual coercion, reproductive abuse, and contraceptive failure exist. And even when sex is completely consensual, consent to sex is not consent to nine months of pregnancy and childbirth.
It treats sex as something women should be punished for. Notice how rarely men are told to control their bodies with the same hostility. Two people can create a pregnancy, but somehow only one is expected to surrender her bodily autonomy.
It assumes pregnancy is a deserved consequence rather than a medical condition requiring choices. We don’t generally deny people healthcare because someone disapproves of the behavior that preceded their condition. Why should abortion be different?
And perhaps most absurdly, it assumes women shouldn’t have sex unless they’re willing to become mothers. Married women have abortions. Mothers have abortions. Women using contraception have abortions. Women who desperately wanted their pregnancies sometimes need abortions.
Sex is a normal part of human relationships. Motherhood should be a choice, not a punishment for having sex.
The question shouldn’t be why a woman didn’t keep her legs closed.
The question should be why anyone believes having sex means a woman forfeits the right to decide what happens to her body afterward.
“Keep your legs closed” isn’t an argument about protecting life.
It’s a demand for obedience disguised as morality.
r/prochoice • u/birdinthebush74 • 5d ago
She’s the “Charlie Kirk of Abortion.” Her Post-Roe Work Is Complicated
r/prochoice • u/AbortionPillsMailed • 5d ago
Discussion Society has spent generations treating motherhood as a woman’s destiny rather than a choice.
We’re taught that every woman has a maternal instinct, that motherhood will somehow come naturally, and that having children is what makes a woman complete.
But not every woman wants to be a mother. Not every woman enjoys motherhood. And not every woman is equipped for the demands of parenting.
That doesn’t make her selfish, defective, or less of a woman. It makes her human.
And perhaps the most damaging part of this mythology is the assumption that a woman who doesn’t want children will magically change once she gives birth.
Children deserve to be wanted, and women deserve lives that don’t require motherhood to have meaning.
The maternal instinct should never be used as an argument against reproductive choice.
r/prochoice • u/Famous-Sympathy7011 • 6d ago
Reproductive Rights News The Missing Part of Women’s Anatomy Isn’t an Oversight. The Reason Is Far Darker.
r/prochoice • u/AbortionPillsMailed • 7d ago
Anti-choice News Overturning Roe Wasn’t Enough. Now They’re Demanding More.
Overturning Roe Wasn’t Enough. Now They’re Demanding More.
Chuck Donovan, founder of the Charlotte Lozier Institute, says the Trump administration hasn’t gone far enough on abortion.
His October 14 opinion piece lays out what he wants from the next Republican presidential nominee.
A federal abortion limit. Permanent restrictions on federal abortion funding. An end to Planned Parenthood’s federal funding. And potentially removing abortion medications from the market entirely.
He’s also frustrated that the FDA’s mifepristone review won’t produce findings until at least March 2027.
This is an important reminder that overturning Roe v. Wade did not end the national debate over abortion.
It shifted the battleground.
The next questions are about federal power, medication access, insurance coverage, and how much authority the government should have over pregnancy decisions.
And those questions are already shaping the conversation about 2028.
Her Safe Harbor
r/prochoice • u/AbortionPillsMailed • 6d ago
Things Anti-choicers Say When Abortion Is on the Ballot, Silence Is a Political Strategy, Too.
Voters are being asked to make consequential decisions about abortion rights this November. Yet some Republican candidates with documented anti-abortion records have declined to say how they intend to vote.
In Virginia, Reps. Rob Wittman and Jen Kiggans have not publicly clarified their positions on the state’s abortion referendum, according to MS NOW. In Idaho, Gov. Brad Little recently announced his opposition to a measure that would overturn the state’s abortion ban.
Even some anti-abortion organizations are criticizing the silence, arguing that candidates should be transparent about their positions.
There is a fundamental difference between keeping abortion out of a campaign speech and keeping voters informed about where a candidate stands.
Abortion policy affects medical care, pregnancy decisions, and personal autonomy. Voters deserve direct answers from anyone seeking the power to shape those policies.
The question isn’t just what candidates say about abortion. It’s what they refuse to say.
Her Safe Harbor | Reproductive freedom begins with informed choice.
r/prochoice • u/jk4532 • 6d ago
Activism Abortion rights on the ballot in Idaho
As has been the standard since Dobbs, voters in multiple states will weigh in on their abortion laws on November 3rd. One we’re keeping an especially close eye on: Idaho, one of the most conservative states in the country, with Republicans holding every statewide executive office and supermajorities in both legislative chambers. Right now, they have in place a ban on nearly all abortions, which has contributed to their loss of nearly a third of the state’s OB-GYNs and cruel consequences for women who need care. The team at Idahoans United for Women & Families has pushed forward Proposition One, the Reproductive Freedom and Privacy Act), which would guarantee abortion rights through fetal viability.
This is the only state where we have a chance to restore reproductive rights this fall, our only reasonable means of doing so with so many GOP officeholders, and a chance to demonstrate that the public wants the right to choose no matter where they stand on the political spectrum. Polling last year suggested as many as 6 in 10 Idahoans could be on board, including 45% of Republicans, but the Church of Latter-Day Saints has been pushing hard for its members to oppose.
☎️ Yes on One phonebanks are now live! We can help encourage folks to make their voices heard for reproductive rights on Sundays from 4-6PM ET and Tuesdays from 9-11PM ET by signing up for a shift here. ☎️
Meanwhile, we’ve also got opportunities coming up to help beat back the forced birthers in Missouri, where they’re testing a new strategy: combining an abortion ban with attacking gender-affirming care for trans kids in the same ballot question and hoping to get pro-choicers to flip for transphobia’s sake. 💬 The Human Rights Campaign will be holding textbanks to help stop Amendment 3 tomorrow at 1PM and October 27th at 6:30PM ET we can sign up for here, and the main Stop The Ban campaign will be texting on Thursdays at 5:30PM ET. 💬
r/prochoice • u/FreedomsPower • 8d ago