r/hotas • • Sep 03 '20

considering your first HOTAS? Read me!

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[last edit 01/07/2024]

Welcome to r/hotas!

If you're considering your first HOTAS (Hands On Throttle and Stick) setup, you've come to the right place. This guide will help you make an informed decision.

If you are instead looking for product reviews, I publish my articles here: HOTAS/HOSAS/SIMPIT Reviews

Introduction

This subreddit is managed by u/spliffa and u/ddrake1984. If you need assistance with anything not covered in this post, please reach out to us via private message, and we will try to assist you.

This guide is published and pinned for the benefit of new potential HOTAS buyers. The publisher of this article has first-hand experience with real aircraft flight controls and computer flight controls across a wide range of manufacturers, used for playing in flight simulation.

Purpose

This guide aims to assist first-time buyers in making an educated decision when purchasing their first joystick, throttle, and other flight control peripherals.

The Problem

With a growing number of HOTAS products on the market, it can be challenging to identify the best options. Products vary widely in:

  • Price
  • Features
  • Customer support

Additionally, products have a wide range of:

  • Costs
  • Features
  • Support via customer interactions and product patches and updates

The Budget

Whether you're looking for a budget-friendly option or the top-tier products, this guide will categorize recommendations into five budget ranges:

For those who prefer to build their own with a bit of knowledge and skills, check out our Discord server or visit this subreddit: r/HotasDIY.

Budget Ranges

Note: All prices will be listed in U.S. Dollars (Even though I am Australian, USD is the easiest to base value from)

  • Entry-Level ($10 to $100)
  • Novice-Tier ($100-$200)
  • Mid-Tier ($200-$300)
  • Advanced-Tier ($300-$400)
  • Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: This is the very best you can buy as a consumer with a lot of money.

Note: Top-tier does not include what a company or industry could or would purchase. This article is not tailored for that, therefore this is out of scope.

The Companies / The Manufacturers / The Vendors

I will list many companies/manufacturers/vendors (all the same) and the products that they offer. However, this post is not an in-depth review of the products. Please read product reviews for that level of detail and information.

The products will be listed to give you an idea of what is available within each range, and at the end, I will list the recommendation for each budget range.

Best Joystick (Base + Grip)

  • Entry-Level ($10 to $100): Thrustmaster T.16000
  • Novice-Tier ($100-$200): WINWING Ursa Minor
  • Mid-Tier ($200-$300): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F16 Grip
  • Advanced-Tier ($300-$400): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F16 Grip, or VKB Gunfighter Mk4 Base + Space Combat Edition Grip
  • Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: FSSB (Force Sensing Stick Base) TIANHANG F16 PRO Base + TIANHANG F-16 Grip, or FFB (Force Feedback) VPForce RHINO Base + TIANHANG A-10C Grip or TIANHANG F/A-18 Grip

Question: Why was the FFBeast not listed as the best FFB?

Answer: Simply put, its value comparison has not been validated by me. The available information from reviews is scarce, making it difficult to ascertain its value. Additionally, the community is mostly non-native English speaking, making it difficult to track and follow the content. Therefore, I have decided that there is not enough evidence to claim it is better than the VPForce RHINO. Based on my own experience, I do not consider it superior until proven otherwise.

Since this post is focused on first-time buyers, I feel it's already quite lengthy and would confuse anyone wanting to debate the matter.

Best Throttle (Base + Grip)

  • Entry-Level ($10 to $100): Thrustmaster TWCS
  • Novice-Tier ($100-$200): Thrustmaster TWCS, or WINWING Ursa Minor with Z-extension
  • Mid-Tier ($200-$300): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F-15E Grip, or WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F/A-18 Grip
  • Advanced-Tier ($300-$400): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F-15EX Grip, or WINWING F-16 Grip
  • Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: WINWING Super Taurus + WINWING F-15EX Grip, or WINWING F-16 Grip

Bonus: Best Pedals

Although this post is tailored for first-time HOTAS buyers, I will include this section to accommodate those wishing to take a more comprehensive first step into flight sims. As we all know, a good set of pedals is a requirement for flying helicopters.

  • Entry-Level: No recommendations - I don't recommend anything in this price range.
  • Novice-Tier: No recommendations - I don't recommend anything in this price range.
  • Mid-Tier: VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV
  • Advanced-Tier: WINWING Orion Metal Flight Rudder Pedals
  • Pro-Tier: Custom FFB Pedals using VPForce motors built with either (Slaw Device, MFG Crosswinds, or VIRPIL Rudders)

Bonus: Best Collective

  • Collective (Base + Grip): VIRPIL Rotor TCS Base + VIRPIL Apache-64 Collective Grip

I don't recommend any other collectives on the market, and it's a shame that some companies have discontinued their collective options.

Useful Links


r/hotas • • 2h ago

Mounts for a corner desk?

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Here's a somewhat weird question for you folks: I would like to mount my joystick and throttle to my desk, using one of those setups that clamps to the desktop. Problem is, I have a weird desk setup - it's a corner desk, with the monitors placed such that I sit right inside the corner, facing into the corner, at a 45* angle to the desks on either side. Every desk mount I've seen assumes you are sitting at a 90* to a straight desk, so if I tried using them with mine, the joystick and throttle would be at a 45* angle to me... Hope the description makes sense.

Anyone know of a clamp-on mount that might work for my needs? Likely something that let's you pivot the mounting plates around? Or maybe something that could be easily modified - re-drilling the mounting plates or something.

I'm looking to mount a VKB Gladiator and a VKB STECS.

I'm not really looking for other mount options - I don't want to mount to my chair, and the desk is an IKEA LAGKAPTEN/ALEX which is a hollow box so drilling isnt really an option. Clamping also means I can readily move them out of the way when not flying.


r/hotas • • 3h ago

HOTAS Noob tips?

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I recently got a HOTAS (Turtle Beach Velocity) watched a fairly comprehensive review and for the price point seemed like the right one for me.

I got it mostly for wardogs, project wingman, ace combat 8, mechwarrior 5 and SWG emulator (of all things) And anything else that comes along.

Ive hit the range on Wardogs and I am terrible with this thing! I was just about serviceable on M&K. I have improved slightly after a few practise sessions though so it may just take a bit of getting used to.

Currently Im just taking off, flying about and then trying to land but I am quite literally all over the place.

So I am wondering if you have any advice or tips on what I should be practising or any other games that are good for practise. Any crutial settings in the hotas software i should tinker with?


r/hotas • • 1d ago

P-51 Mustang inspired 3D controller block button box controls throttle

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r/hotas • • 18m ago

Can't get hotas flight sick to read

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I'm playing star citizen with my new hotas and I cant get my stick movement to read but the buttons work just fine can anyone help?


r/hotas • • 8h ago

Virpil CDT-Aeromax R + CDT-Vmax button mapping advice needed (MSFS24)

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Hello, I recently got my Virpil Cadet-Aeromax and Vmax, but I really do not know what to bind to which function. I am very new to flight simulators and I would be very happy if you could give me some advice or even a .xml preset for the Microsoft Flight Sim 2024. Thank you in advance.


r/hotas • • 6h ago

Ace Combat 8 - Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS One on PC

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r/hotas • • 15h ago

Flight stick for Mechwarrior/Armoured Core - help!

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Hi! My husband adores Mechwarrior. I'd like to get him a flight stick type set up to play with. Please can you suggest some options? Bonus points if it works with Armoured Core too. I have some initial questions:

I am looking at the thrustmaster t. Flight hotas x. It says it has a detachable throttle. Do you know if that means he can use the throttle minus the stick and play throttle and mouse - one rec said that's better for aiming? I'll get him the logitek mouse with extra buttons, and this gives him options.

Alternatively, would just the logitech throttle portion be better?

ThrustMaster T.16000M seems popular too-any experience? Both portions look separate - same question re. mouse

Any other options you'd recommend - there's a number of out the box ready options here, would like real opinions! https://mw5mercs.com/resources/2020/01/31-peripheral-resources

I posted in the MW subreddit and some people thought Hotas was worth it, some didn't but he has played Hotas and loved it!


r/hotas • • 8h ago

TPR or R1

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Hello! Between the Thurstmaster TPR and the Virpil R1-Falcon pedals, which one should i go with?


r/hotas • • 1d ago

My all-in-one HOTAS… 😂 [meta]

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Hey, it’s a stick AND a throttle all in one…

I looked down and was like “this thing is actually pretty neat looking. I should post it.” Though I probably shouldn’t post it…

In case anyone is wondering, it’s a Stihl SR 200 backpack fogger. It’s for insect control.


r/hotas • • 1d ago

Severe Shoulder Pain - Stick angle issues

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56 Upvotes

I play competitive fighting in star citizen

I use VKB Gunfighters using desk mounts

The advice is always to have arms parallel to the ground but if I do that I can’t pull the stick all the way back because the wrist angle won’t allow it

So my arms are raised roughly 10 degrees upwards

My right shoulder joint is really painful every time I play now

Any suggestions on how to improve the stick position?

Thanks


r/hotas • • 19h ago

Pico 4 Ultra for wired DCS + living room use, or better non-Meta options?

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Hi all,

I've been flying with head tracking for a while and I think it's time to take the next step and go VR. Before I spend the money, I'd like to hear from people who actually fly with this stuff.

My setup:

  • Ryzen 7 9850X3D
  • RX 9070 16 GB
  • 32 GB DDR5-5200
  • Windows 11
  • VKB Gunfighter IV with the F-14 grip on a 200 mm extension, centre mounted
  • VKB STECS Max with STEM and ATEM
  • Logitech Pro Rudder pedals
  • Next Level Racing Boeing Military flight seat

It's mostly DCS (Tomcat, Viggen and F/A-18), War Thunder sim and Elite Dangerous. I might try some proper VR games later on.

What I need from it:

  • A cable to the PC when I'm in the seat. I don't trust Wi-Fi, and I'm sitting still anyway, so wired is fine by me.
  • Some sort of passthrough or mixed reality so I can see bits of my cockpit and keyboard without lifting the headset every five minutes.
  • It has to work standalone too. The plan is to upgrade in a few years and hand this one to my wife for the living room, so a PC-only headset is out.
  • It has to run DCS properly on the rig above.
  • No Meta, and that's not up for discussion.

The Steam Frame is probably the long-term goal, but realistically not for a few years. Right now it's near impossible to get hold of, and I'd rather wait for the kinks to be ironed out.

So, is the Pico 4 Ultra a good shout for the money here? A few things in particular:

  • How does it do wired over USB with Pico Connect in DCS on an AMD card? I'm on RDNA 4, so AV1 should be an option, but I'd love to hear from anyone actually running it.
  • Does passthrough work while you're streaming PCVR, or is that standalone only?
  • Is there anything better for the same money or less that isn't Meta? The only other headset I've found that does both standalone and wired is the Vive Focus Vision. It's pricier, though, and from what I've read it's heavy and not very comfy.

I also got a bit queasy in VR back in the early days, so any settings tips for a smooth first go in DCS are welcome.

Cheers


r/hotas • • 19h ago

Need advice on my first flight stick

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r/hotas • • 20h ago

X-52 3d print throttle on arm and joystick center mount for Ikea Markus

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Sorry if already posted.

I ugh, well the music wasnt to my tastes. Install video.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ESF3KFNzi1E

3d print files.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6670680

Thanks to BolBee for making this.


r/hotas • • 18h ago

How long do u have to wait for virpil alpha constellations hosas joysticks?

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I just bought the virpil alpha constellation joysticks and it’s on back order but Im curious to know how long it’ll take to ship because I’ve seen some insane time frames and for the amount they are, idk if they are worth waiting that long for. Asking anyone who received it recently and ordered recently or how long they have waited or are still waiting?


r/hotas • • 1d ago

Budget Friendly hotas chair mounts

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Hi I am looking for budget friendly chair mounts. I was looking at the EG starts 2 pack universal mounts but I am worried that I won't be able to fit them on my chair.

Chair: https://a.co/d/00ljj0Ip

After various materials and costs, if I can find a suitable mount that would work with my chair under $100 it would more than likely be a better option for me. Does anyone have any suggestions on mounts or is there a way to get the eg starts to work? I have basic tools and could drill into the chair but I dont want to break the chair. I am open to the possibility of 3d printing mounts as well. Thank you in advance!


r/hotas • • 18h ago

How long do u have to wait for virpil alpha constellations hosas joysticks?

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r/hotas • • 1d ago

Project Valhalla Collective Statusupdate

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r/hotas • • 1d ago

Force sensing joystick

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Watched this last night and now am determined to build something similar.

Has anyone else done something similar, if so do you have a parts list, recommendations?


r/hotas • • 1d ago

Best beginner, budget HOTAS for VR

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Hi all, space and flying related games were something I've always wanted to play but just felt wrong to play with a mouse and keyboard and didn't feel very interesting playing on a monitor to justify buying specialized controllers just for them. No more. I got a VR headset(Meta Quest 3) and it absolutely blew me away, playing anything sci-fi set where you're inside a cockpit feels insane, like stepping into the future. With that in mind, I'm looking to bring that experience to the next level with getting suitable controllers as mouse/keyboard feels wrong and the VR controllers not suitable for those games.

I'm looking to spend around £200-300(if it's really worth it), for starter it's going to be used with arcade-ish games like No Man's Sky, StarWars Squadrons but eventually I'd like to try more serious and sim focused games. As I'm going to be using the hotas with my vision completely obstructed with no way to look at the actual stick and throttle, they must be designed to feel very tactile and offer plenty of differently shaped buttons for mapping game functions.

So far it looks like Logitech X56 ticks all the boxes - under budget with plenty of differently shaped knobs and buttons, together with this to mount it to my height adjustable desk. Now Logitech is a consumer brand so I have no clue how it is in terms of quality and longevity. I don't want something that's going to fall apart of develop issues within few mounts of use but at the same time I have no experience or developed preferences to justify spending on something highly customizable and actually decent. Are there better options for that budged? I've looked at Saitek but they have fewer buttons and displays I have no use for, also looked at T1600m which also has fewer and less distinct buttons plus there're complains about stick drift after awhile. Then there is the Warthog and the offerings from other brands that I know nothing about and are slighlty over my budged. I'm also open to buying second hand or messing about with something that's not plug and play.

EDIT: Thanks everyone for the replies. Everyone seems to be on a similar consensus. The X56 looks good but if it's junk I'll pass. I've decided to get VKB Gladiator NXT Evo and possibly the T1600/x55 throttle if I find it cheap on ebay or skip it and get a more expensive throttle at a later date.


r/hotas • • 1d ago

What is the center bump on the Virpil CDT-Aeromax like?

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I've got a VKB gladiator nxt (the original not the evo) and I like it except for the center bump which I found really hard to deal with in space games where diagonal movement is quite common.

How is the bump on the Aeromax? I'd like to get two matching sticks (omni throttle on the left) and I'm not sure I can justify the cost of moving up to the tier of the stick bases with swappable cams.

I'm not sure I can use my existing nxt base as a throttle either because it doesn't have the evo's dry clutches to convert it to a throttle.


r/hotas • • 1d ago

Flight Sim Rudder Pedals Recommendation

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Vor ein paar Monaten habe ich mit MSFS angefangen und es macht richtig Spaß. Ich spiele nicht jeden Abend, sondern eher 2-3 Stunden pro Woche.

Ich habe mir bereits einen Joystick und einen Schubregler von WinCtrl/Winwing gekauft und möchte mir jetzt auch Ruderpedale zulegen.

Mein Problem ist, dass es einfach viel zu viele verschiedene Pedale in allen Preisklassen gibt.

Ich habe gehört, dass diese Pedale ziemlich gut sein sollen, kann mich aber trotzdem nicht entscheiden:

-MFG V3 Crosswind

-Virpil Ace

-VKB Pedals

-TurtleBeach Velocity One

-WinCtrl

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen ihnen und welches ist „besser“?

Ich fliege fast alles (Segelflugzeuge, Hubschrauber, Kleinflugzeuge und auch Verkehrsflugzeuge), daher wäre eine Zehenbremse vielleicht sinnvoll (?). Ich habe außerdem festgestellt, dass die Sitzposition wichtig ist, da man nicht so sitzt wie im Flugzeug.

Wären die Thrustmaster TFPR-Pedale eine Option? Ich weiß, dass sie in einer ganz anderen Preisklasse liegen, aber lohnt es sich wirklich, 200 € mehr auszugeben, oder sind die von Thrustmaster genauso gut?

Vielen Dank im Voraus!

Edit:
I‘m probably between the VKB and the WinCtrl ones. VKB would be grrat because of the seating Position and I would just Build in some dampeners (enough guides online). Can I also remove the Springs for flying helicopters? I think the toe brakes are not that important, especially as the VKBs only cost 130€ here.


r/hotas • • 2d ago

We have a way to use our hotas/ hosas in galactic racer now!

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Super pumped, tried it last night and it feels awesome. Takes some fine tuning but man it is fun once the software is locked in.


r/hotas • • 1d ago

Best place for stick and throttle?

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Chair is going soon, but keyboard tray blocks stick in front of chair so maybe one on each side? On top of desk is uncomfortable after a few hours of DCS. Any ideas?


r/hotas • • 1d ago

50usd prize troubleshooting

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Hey,

I was playing fine 14th of october, with my Sol-R4 hotas. I alt f4 the game, turn off my computer and go to bed.

The following morning, I go to play again after Wardogs wiped and now neither the computer or the game register any input from the buttons on grip/stick. The X/Y Axis work just fine.

This means I cannot shoot, flare etc and is just really frustrating as the unit is not even 1month old.

I do not believe it to be a hardware issue, as it happened overnight and nothing moved an inch physically in the time being. Let alone it working just fine when i Alt-F4'ed.

I am not very tech savvy, but I have tried doing this:(Somewhat, I am not very tech savvy so idk if I did it correctly.)

  1. Hardware calibration on both base and throttle. (Both base and throttle buttons seem to work/notice input during hardware calibration. but not on windows joy.cpl)
  2. reinstalled drivers for the hotas, also deleted them. did this multiple times. (Hopefully correctly.)
  3. Reverted windows update that happened the night of the grip breaking. (Hopefully did this correctly.)

Please if any1 can help, I will pay you 50usd