r/Fencesitter • • Jul 21 '26

Updated Moderation Rules

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Hello Everyone.

It's been a few years since my co-mod and I took over moderating this sub and we thought it was time for a bit of a rules refresh.

FYI, we are both still active in this sub although we don't post under our moderator screen names. And yes, one of us is CF and one of us is a parent. That was the original intention in an attempt to maintain balance. We've considered adding a fencesitter moderator but that's difficult since fencesitters eventually become CF or parents. We're still figuring that one out.

Ok, on to the rules:

First of all, some guiding ideas this sub is founded which we think are important for everyone to understand.

  • Principle 1 - It's meant to help fencesitters. We are a place for people who are struggling with this decision. Yes, we welcome comments from childfree and parents as well, but ultimately this is a place for fencesitters to feel at home and try to figure out what they want to do. This is not a debate sub for CF and parents to argue over which is best.
  • Principle 2 - There are no right answers. We don't believe that parenting is always better than childfree, we don't believe 2 kids are better than 1, we don't believe adopting is better than bio kids, we don't believe childfree is better than step parenting. Whatever combo you wish to use, we don't believe one option is inherently better than the other. They are all situational and very subjective. There might be a right answer for you, but there is no answer that is right for everyone.

Keep these two things in mind because they are extremely important to how we moderate this sub.

So why do comments get removed and users get banned?

The easiest answer is that the commentor was being a jerk. Some people just have a hard time being civil to one another and those folks are not welcome here. We literally had one person argue against their ban by saying "oh, I didn't know you guys insisted on people not being assholes". Yah, if you're the kind of person who is an asshole unless it's expressly prohibited, you definitely don't belong here.

Also, if you are being attacked, please don't reply in kind. Just report it and move on.

Ok, so here are some other things we look for that might not be as obvious.

Generalizing - This is a common issue. All CF are lonely, all parents are miserable, procreating is always good, having kids is always selfish. The trend here is one of over generalizing. I'm sure some CF people are lonely and some parents are miserable, but not all. We have plenty of CF posters with friends and happy parents posting here to know this isn't accurate.

Note, this is also why we remove most comments that touch on religion. We don't care if you're Jewish, Christian, Satanist, Pastafarian, Anti-natalist or what not. If you subscribe to a philosophy that says having kids is always good or always bad that's fine for you, it's not fine for this sub. We don't do preaching here.

I really want to emphasize that last bit. We do NOT do preaching here. If you are CF or a parent and you're thinking about making a post about how all fencesitters should do this or that, please don't. We love hearing from you and we enjoy your experience and we love the AMA's that parents and CF folks do. We think those are great for others to learn from your experience. That's very different from preaching right or wrong.

Climate Change / Politics threads - We know that these are themes that weigh heavily on some people and we respect that. We're more than happy to allow threads in which people discuss their feelings on their own choices due to these themes. What we don't allow is for people to use these themes to beat up other readers for their choices. Again, refer to principle 2. If climate change is causing you to reconsider your decision that is absolutely fair. If you're coming here to argue that all parents are awful because of climate change that will be removed.

We will also remove any comments from people arguing back and forth about the reality of climate change. There are other sub for that, this isn't one of them. For the record, both of us believe climate change is real, we just can't take more arguments about the latest report and what it means for sea level changes in Norway vs. peak temperatures in Mongolia and how those will impact rice prices.

Gatekeeping - This encompasses a variety of responses ranging from the "there are no guarantees" and "you must be prepared for all scenarios including the worst ones!" to the "you must be 100% sure!" or "if it's not a hell yes it's a not" variety. In general, these contribute nothing to the discussion. Even worse, they are a comment meant to prey on fencesitters by either parents or CF folks. They're usually said by someone who believes their point of view is objectively right for everyone and who is then trying to trigger doubt in fencesitters.

Allow us to illustrate some examples so you can see why these comments are not welcome here.

"Yah, there are no guarantees, even if you eat healthy and exercise you might get hit by a car". Sure, but eating healthy and exercising is still a good idea because statistically it's clearly better. Also, do you really think you're revealing something big to our fencesitter subscribers by revealing to them that there are no guarantees in life? Do you think they would be on the fence if they thought everything was guaranteed?

"Unless you are willing to be raped, don't date!" "Unless you understand every possible bad outcome of your dental surgery, including the one where your jaw falls off and you die, you're not ready!" See how useless that is? No one is ok with every bad scenario. Heck, my anxious mind can always dream up new and even worse scenarios that I am certain none of you has prepared for.

"You must be 100% sure that you know everything that can happen if you take this job". Really? How do you even know you're 100% sure? How do you know that you've done all your analysis? Is there a way to quantify this? Same for the "hell yah" comment. "Unless you're a clear yes, don't marry this person". What does that mean? Is someone not allowed to have concerns? Yes, I love this person and I want to spend the rest of my life with them but I'm concerned about their in-laws because of blah blah blah and you see where we're going?

Just stop with these comments. They don't help.

Discounting and discrediting - "Oh, what do you know, you're just hormonal", "Oh, what do you know, your kid is only 3 months old", "Oh, what do you know, you have no kids", "Oh, I know this was your experience but there are others with different experiences". Yes, we get it, just stop. They are clearly presenting their personal context and that's great. Are they generalizing too much? If so, we will remove them. Otherwise, stop being the thought police. People are allowed to present their individual view point without you trying to discredit them.

Derogatory - These are the folks who come here with comments like "don't have kids, all parents are tired and miserable" or "don't be CF, all CF people are lonely and joyless". If you're here to argue that your side of the fence is best, don't do it by shit talking the other side. Ideally, try to help instead of argue.

And yes, we will remove these posts even if they come from CF or parents. That is, a negative comment about all parents / parenting made by a parent will be still be removed. Why? Because we have no way of verifying who is a parent and who isn't. Same as we cannot verify who is CF and who isn't.

Oh, and we want to take a moment and discuss gender specific comments. We get it, believe me we get it. A large portion of the work involved with child bearing and rearing falls unfairly on women. That is a fact. Sexism is also a fact, which is why we banned baby trapping comments since they were 99% coming from sexist men. But...

This isn't intended to be a space for women to denigrate all men. No, we don't need you to finish every comment with #NotAllMen, but we do need to keep the generalizing down. "Oh, men want kids like kids want puppies", "Oh, being a dad is so easy, you just get to play and not do any work", "Oh, men's voices shouldn't matter when it comes to the decision to have or not have kids" are not acceptable here.

Rants - Last but not least, this is not a rant sub. Sorry folks, we're not interested in moderating rants because they inevitably result in arguments from the people you're ranting about.

Ok, that's all. Please feel free to add questions and comments. We fully admit we're not perfect but we're trying our best and are always open to constructive feedback.


r/Fencesitter • • Oct 29 '24

Reflections Perspective from years of fencesitting

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Early on in my life I always wanted to have kids, the older I became the more on the fence I was, even with a brief period of time of not wanting kids at all. I have been on and off the fence throughout my 20s and now in my early 30s I still am, though heavily leaning towards having children after all. I wanted to offer support to others in similar situations, I have a couple of years of therapy behind me, trying to figure out what I want, I have spent hundreds of hours talking with various people and their perspective on kids and I have created a list of questions to ask yourself and statements to read that I wish someone would give me 10 years ago.

I want to preface this by saying, no one can answer the question "is having kids right for me" or "should I have kids" or "should I be child free". No one but you. In this post I'm trying to show perspective, talk about fears and POVs that people have on having kids. I really hope this will be of help to someone.

I believe there are multiple POVs and multiple "aspects" of life to consider. Your relationship, ambitions/goals, fears, pregnancy (for women), economical status and more. I will not say things like "you really need to want to have kids to have them" or "you should not have kids if your partner wants them and you don't". I will also not say things like "you will never change your mind" or "you will change your mind".

We do not know the future. The therapists I talked with said that they have seen everything, people swapping their views after multiple years in a relationship; not changing them; forcing themselves to have kids and then ending up loving it.

We do not know the future, we cannot possibly predict if having kids or not is the right for us or if it will make us happy, regardless of our reservations or fears. It is definitely way easier to not have kids if you fear having them or don't want to put in the effort. There are challenges regardless if you are CF or have kids.

Ultimately it is a DECISION, it should not be based purely on emotions, consider your circumstances, the context of your life, relationship, what you know that makes you happy. Regardless of what path you picks there will likely be regrets and consequences, but talk with your partner and make it a responsible decision.

With that being said, consider the following:

Decision (the "wants"):
- No matter how much you want/don't want kids, having/not having them does not guarantee you will be happy.
- No matter how much you don't want kids, having them does not guarantee you will be miserable.
- Having/Not having kids will do to your life what you will allow it to do.
- The decision is yours and your partner, not your parents', not your uncle's, not your best friend's, and definitely not some random people's in the comments on some article or post.
- Having kids does not mean your life will end.
- Not having kids does not mean you will be missing out on something in life.

Relationship:
- How happy are you in your current relationship?
- Is your partner someone you could see having a family with? (broad question, can you imagine them being a good parent)
- How is your communication? How do you navigate difficult situations? Do you fight? Scream? Shut down? Or do you talk and have difficult conversations but work together towards a resolution?
- Do you feel safe with your partner?
- Are there things you are withholding from your partner? Maybe you don't like something about them or they keep annoying you but you ignore that instead of addressing the issue? Are there things like that, that you bury deep within yourself?
- Are your needs met in your relationship?
- How attracted are you to your partner? How is your sex life?
- What is your partner's potential to change/adapt, do they respect you? do you see how much they have grown over the years and how are they handling responsibility?
- Do you feel a connection? A Bond? Or do you not feel heard or understood?
- Do they bring the best in you? Or do they bring you down?
- Do you want to grow with them? How do you feel when thinking about future with them?
- Do you share your cognitive load with them? Are they proactive with chores?
- Do you love and respect your partner? Do they love and respect you?

The choice of your partner has a significant impact on your life, if you have a stable relationship that isn't toxic, one that brings you joy and happiness, and is a safe space - it will likely be so if you decide to have kids and if you decide not to have them. Have a conversation about it.

Goals/Aspirations:
- What are your goals in life? If you don't have goals, what goals or aspirations have you buried deep inside? What were things that you wanted to do, but for whatever reason decided not to. Generally speaking, where would you like to be?
- Are your goals impossible to achieve if you have/don't have kids? Or would they simply require more work in either case?
- Are you more career oriented? Or family oriented?

Having kids or not does not mean your life ends, no newborn asked you to sacrifice your life for them. There are people who train for ultramarathons while having kids, I know people who wrote and released books and grew their careers or started companies while taking care of a newborn and a one year old. People generally tend to manage to have multiple kids and also house pets. Daycares exist, they are costly but maybe something can be done about it, maybe you both can find better jobs, or maybe there are government programs to help finance it.

There is also a matter of life satisfaction and regrets, in general people find meaning in life by leaving an impact on the world. You may become a scientist and help humanity through science, you may become a volunteer at try to help people in need. Quite often people find satisfaction in raising a kid and building a family, as it is "relatively easy" to make a child and seeing it grow. Or maybe you want to become a CEO or create your own company? No matter what has value to you, can you do it with/without having kids? Are you actively working towards a goal or do you have a goal in mind but you never do anything towards it?

I personally find that taking on more responsibility has lead to my personal growth and to more satisfaction in life. However every time I ran away from responsibility it lead to negative emotions. Sometimes having kids is the best motivation for someone to get their life together, it is risky but tends to work when a lot of other things don't.

Fears/Reservations:
There are a lot of fears regarding having and not having kids.
- Fear of pregnancy (for women)
- Fear of not being a priority (for men and women)
- Fear of being abandoned and having to care for the child on your own
- Fear of body changes made by pregnancy
- Fear that you kid will be unhealthy in some way
- Fear of getting your body destroyed by pregnancy
- Fear of responsibility
- Fear that you will not be a good parent
- Fear of destroying someone (newborn)'s life
- Fear of being alone when you are old
- Fear of missing out
- Fear of childbirth
- Fear of wasting your life
- Fear of passing your traumas to your kid
- probably many more

As once again, we do not know the future - we don't know what fears will come true, however - fear as an emotion is trying to alert you of imaginary dangers of certain actions. You fear walking alone in a deep forest because an animal might attack you, you fear going out at night because you might get mugged. Fear is an emotion, it is a feature not a bug, it increased the chances of survival for our ancestors.

Do you want to make your decision based on fear? A lot of them can be worked through with a therapist if you so desire, it is extra work but might help. You probably don't have all the fears I listed, however what can you do to mitigate these that you are aware of?

- If you fear responsibility, do you fear it just in the context of having a kid? or do you feel stuck in life and that kind of fear is holding you down?
- If you fear being old and alone, what friendships or what relationships can you nurture so that you always have someone to talk to?
- If you fear that you will waste your life with either option, why is that? What is it that having/not having kids represents in your mind? What have you been conditioned to believe?
- If you worry if you are going to be a good/bad parent, that is already a sign that you would at least try to be good. If you have some problems like severe drug or alcohol addiction it would be responsible to take care of that before having a child.
- If you worry that you will destroy, a kid's life and maybe even your own -> kids don't need as much as we think they do, we tend to want to give them the world however, a kid mostly needs a parent who is present, who listens. If you have a good relationship with your partner and you are both there for each other, you would likely also be there for your kid, and you would figure it out.
- You do not have to have everything figured out immediately.
- Expanding your knowledge tends to do wonders, we generally fear things we do not understand and have a twisted image of them in our minds.
- For a lot of fears CBT therapy is said to have really positive prognosis, so you can somewhat except that it will reduce your fears and help you adjust your thinking

Having kids is likely a unique experience, one that cannot be replicated with other people's kids, nieces, pets etc. But is it ok to have them out of FOMO? Are you ok without experiencing being a parent in your life? Raising a child does not last a lifetime, you will always be a parent - but your kid will have its own life eventually and you will still have many years ahead of you.

Therapists said to me that at the end of life, a lot of old people regret not having spent more time with people dear to them, with their families. I'm still young but I can imagine that my career is not something I will care about 20 years from now.

Pregnancy:
If you fear pregnancy, you can talk to a doctor about the process, you can get examined and see how healthy you are. Talk to your family and your partner's family, how healthy were you and your siblings when you were born? What effects did pregnancy have on your mother or grandmother. Is there a history of birth defects or autism or any other "diseases" or problems in your family? Can you get examined to see how likely it is that it will happen to you?

If you are pregnant already, you have prenatal examinations available, in some countries they are free after certain age, you can monitor your child's health and see if its growing healthy. However, as we don't know the future even if a kid is born healthy it doesn't mean it won't get hit by a car 5 years later, and so we don't know if you won't. We do not know what life will bring, there are a lot of dangers we do not even consider when living our daily lives.

As for body changes and fear of childbirth:
- do you take care of yourself?
- do you eat healthy?
- do you work out?
- can you afford a private hospital and better conditions for your childbirth?
- what forms of pain killers are available in hospitals in your area?
- have you ever read about c-section and natural birth, about their pros and cons? both for you and a kid

Taking care of yourself physically will make your pregnancy easier, at the very least your back will not hurt. And there seems to be a positive effect of working out certain muscles that seems to make giving birth easier. A close friend of mine started preparing for pregnancy 2 years in advance by working out and taking some supplements to make pregnancy easier. Once again it is more work but maybe its not impossible?

Parenting:
Kids want attention, they want to be listened to, they want you to be there - they don't want a smartphone or a tablet. That does not mean you have to be with them 24/7. In the past the whole village would help raise children together, primarily, it was women's responsibility. However the idea that parents spend all their time with children is relatively new.

- Do you have a natural support group? (parents? grandparents? siblings with/without their kids? friends?)
- Do you have someone to leave the kids with so that you can enjoy a weekend or a vacation in peace?
- Can you afford daycare?
- You can get to know your neighbors, some of them may have kids and yours could occasionally visit them and vice versa.
- Can you afford a nanny?
- Can you leave your kids in someone's care? Would a close friend be able to take care of them for a couple of hours so that you have an evening to yourself?
- Can you send your kids to boarding school?
- Can you communicate with your partner so that one day they take care of kids, next day you do, and the day after you do it together?
- Can you mix your hobbies and taking care of a kid? (if you like jogging, you can buy a jogging stroller; if you ride a bicycle - mount a chair for your kid to sit so you can ride together, do you like to read or sing? - maybe you can sing songs or read books to your children, maybe your local gym has a room for leaving kids, or you can just take them with you, or maybe you can draw with them, do some sports, go kayaking and take your kid with you - maybe they will like it as well, doing cosplay - dress up together with your kid, do some DIYs or anything else that you are passionate about - there is a high chance you can somehow include your child).
- Can you afford to hire help? Like a cleaning person that will clean your home every week or two?
- Are you alright with being the main parent (parent who spends more time with the kid, than the other)?
- Are you alright with not being the main parent?
- Is there any compromise, however absurd, that you can at least talk about with your partner?

There are different options available to get some time off. Some are quite costly but regardless - the very least you can do is to communicate your needs, talk with your partner and your kid, set a boundary. Sometimes you need time to yourself and this is perfectly fine. You do not have to be with your kid 24/7.

Economics:
- Can you afford a child? If not can you do something about it?
- Can you afford - not having a child? It is a stupid argument maybe but some of my friends earn way more money and have better jobs than their parents, and they do support them.
- Do you have enough space no to go crazy? It is hard to raise a kid in a 16 m^2 flat.
- How stable is your job? What are your opportunities?
- Does your job require you to go for long business trips?
- Can you do something to improve your financial situation? (courses, education and finding a better paying job?)

Your lives, your relationships, your contexts are all unique. There isn't a single person who can tell you what is best for you, but consider everything you have, everything that you would have to give up or lose, everything that you could gain, before making a decision.

It is a good idea to educate yourself and talk to medical professionals or people more knowledgeable in these matters. Having a child is a responsible decision, not having a child is also one of them. Ask yourself, do your really not want a child (which is completely fine if you don't), or do you perhaps not want what the child or family represents? What emotions do these things evoke in you? What did you see in life or what did you experience that made you think that you want or don't want a child? Or are you maybe running away from something? Maybe you fear abandonment and think that having a child will guarantee a lifelong relationship with your partner? Or maybe you are trying to run from something that a family represents?

In the end I believe that having a child is a decision, one to take with your partner. It is not something that you have full control over, sometimes people want kids but can't have them for variety of reasons.

I think that regardless of your decision, take responsibility for your life, take good care of yourself. It is a difficult topic that can be looked at from many different angles.

I hope I was able to help.


r/Fencesitter • • 1h ago

A question I struggle to answer

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Why have a kid? I’ve always known I wanted a life partner; someone who understands you, loves you, experiences life with you. I’ve always known I wanted a pet; there’s few things cooler (to me) than spending some of life with an individual of a different species. Why have a kid? What does that do that is meaningful and worth doing? For background: I was nine when I got a younger sibling and immediately stepped in to look after her. Found it frustrating and annoying and couldn’t wait to leave the family home. I’m now spending a bunch of time with my friends’ kids and while it is a hoot and super fun to get to know these tiny humans, the thought of being responsible for one just fills me with dread and stress. What am I missing? I’m also autistic so spelling this out for me will actually help massively. What’s the point? Im asking these questions because we live in a place where having kids seem amazing (for the kid) and I am clueless as to my own emotions about this.


r/Fencesitter • • 15h ago

Anxiety After 13 years, I’ve moved over here…

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I was 23 when I realized having children was choice and probably not for me. I’m now 36 and my husbands 43. I told my husband early I didn’t want kids and we’ve lived our lives the past 10 years as if we weren’t having them.

One of my parents died this past winter and I’m now baby crazy. I went through this when they first became sick but it was much easier to brush off. Now, we’re both seriously considering a child

I still don't think I would love parenting a kid (I have a of childcare experience). But I adore babies, get along well with teens and I think would adore being a parent to an adult. I’m also hoping going into this being like it’s not going to be my fave, will set me up for being presently surprise.

Anyone who went from an absolute no to now being a parent, I would love to know… has it been worth it?


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

How do I know if I want to be a parent or not?

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I’m 24F and in a stable relationship with someone who I’d like to spend the rest of my life with. However, I haven’t yet decided if I want to be a parent or not.

My parents are divorced and I’m estranged with both of them, as they weren’t very good parents. I am an independent person and I love my freedom. I’m very ambitious and have a lot of career plans. I’m someone who enjoys planning for things years in advance just from the excitement of it all.

I have mixed feelings about children. I’m quite good with them, and they tend to like me. But I get overstimulated around them quite quickly and end up going to my room for personal space within 30mins-1hr of being with them.

There are parts about parenthood that excite me, like the idea of instilling good values in my children, being there for them, having fun family rituals, bonding with them etc.

But there’s parts that I really hate. The mental and emotional toll, the lack of personal space, freedom and peace and quiet. The fact that my entire routine will be dependent on them. Not to mention the several drawbacks parenthood has on women and our careers.

I come from a country where having this choice is rare and recent. I don’t have anyone to guide me through making this decision.

I’m afraid that If I was to have a child, I’d be a regretful parent, and if I didn’t, I’d regret that too.

Is there anyway to TRULY know if this is something that’s right for you? Are there any signs that you’d be a regretful parent before you had kids?

Is there anyone here who was sure about having kids but ended up regretting it?

Just need general advice on how to take this call :/


r/Fencesitter • • 18h ago

Has anyone had a similar experience in their relationship?

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Not really sure what I'm looking for, maybe advice or just if you have been in this situation how it ended up for you. Me and my husband got married young and quick. Dated for about a year and then married at 20. When the conversation of kids was first brought up we were both on the same page of either way we would be happy. After about a year of being married I would bring it up every so often and he would always say maybe. We decided we wouldn't put any pressure on it and just have that conversation when we were 25. It's been on my mind a lot recently and I ended up bringing it up a year earlier than we had planned. He is now a definite no and im leaning much more towards yes. I'm not sure what this means for us and how to move forward for now.


r/Fencesitter • • 23h ago

Reflections Struggling with Fencesitting as a man (23), triggered by a breakup

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I'm 23M, had a potential lifelong love end over our fence sitting. My ex 23F leaned toward not wanting kids. I feel like if i want to proceed with my dating life, i need to reflect on this a lot more. Inviting advice and insight.

We ended because we were both on the fence but she was leaning towards a strong no because of career, and worries about motherhood being too much for her, and she has always not liked it when men said they want kids. .I was leaning towards a strong yes. and i feel like i want to work through my reasons for and not for wanting kids.

I feel like i want kids because, * I have volunteered with babysitting kids at a playschool as a teenager, and liked the feeling of being responsible and needed, but i really don't want to base my decision on it. * I have always liked the idea of mentoring and teaching. * The idea of raising a good human being, passing down good values and giving unconditional love to someone that really needs it sounds very meaningful. and kids are people who really need it.

I have wrestled with the antinatalist argument, and i feel like i am ambivalent about it and i can understand the argument. But i see the answer to that is adoption, to satisfy the need of wanting to take care of and raise someone, and i am completely on board with that.

And i feel like my desire doesn't come from a need for bio kids, more from a place of wanting to nurture a life.

Reasons I'm on the fence about the idea of kids, * PPD and career pressures for my potential partner. * A feeling of being settled when i'm not ready enough. * I would want to be extremely well settled financially. * I was raised in a patriarchal society and have a lot of patriarchy to unroot, and i'm not sure if i will by the time i am old enough to have a kid. Would i share the load of parenting equally ? Would i be a good partner ? etc. * I struggle with anxiety and i'd want to properly have worked through it before i even think of raising someone. * I sometimes think that is society asymmetric, when it comes to the idea of parenting, the motherhood penalty. * I sometimes wonder if it is a patriarchal desire to even want kids. * I wonder if i only want kids because of conditioning through society and being raised in a patriarchal society

But some part of me feels like my desire feels immature, and i feel like i'm being very romantic and idealistic about the idea of kids, and that i ended the relationship on such shaky ground, that too this young in life.

I tried pitching the idea of being fence sitters together, for a short while and talk about it, and that didn't sit right with her, so we decided to end it.

When I think of having kids, I only see kids in my early thirties, and not anytime sooner, and I've always thought I'd be in a one and done type relationship. But i don't know if I'm really idealizing the idea of being a parent or this is a valid desire.

How do i know that my desire to have a kid is legitimate, good and valid, and not just a fantasy

I really feel like I don't have a framework to think about all this. So all of this is making me truly question my entire position on this, and any insights, pointers, or advice would truly help


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Returning to the fence after termination for medical reasons (TFMR)

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Has anyone had an experience with returning to fence sitting after a TFMR? It was my first pregnancy experience and I was very unwell from as early as days after testing positive so felt like I was just pushing through day to day and never really connected to the pregnancy, then we got unfortunate NIPT results and had further testing and decided to terminate. I'm now feeling back on the fence, but I'm interested to hear if anyone else has had this type of experience. Thankyou!


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Possibility of PPD making me a fencesitter.

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I’ll keep this short. Is anyone else’s primary hesitation with having a child the possibility of getting PPD? For context, I’ve never dealt with anxiety or depression, my husband and I are complete equals and I know it would be 50/50 from both of us. I have no reason to think I would be at an elevated risk for PPD. That said, I’ve gone down way too many rabbit holes on Reddit and TikTok about PPD that it’s the main thing holding me back at this point. I fear that I am so fearful of getting PPD that I will manifest myself into getting it. Anyone dealing with this as their main hesitation?


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Reflections I wish I wanted children

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My husband and I are in our late 30s, we’ve talked on and off about having kids. We are stable, we have home, paid off cars, full time jobs etc. We both enjoy our freedom, to spend our time and money how we want. But there is a part of me that wishes I wanted children more. Whenever I try to convince myself, I always talk myself out of it. Who’s going to watch my baby while I’m working- day care is so expensive, what if my child has a condition that requires lifelong care, no more vacations etc. I get tired after a long day now with cooking, cleaning etc, which I know will be more difficult bringing a baby into our lives. I love my husband and do see the beauty in creating a human who is both of us, but I just can’t pull the trigger. Anyone gone through similar feelings? I’d be interested in other’s perspective and if they did end up jumping off the fence.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Questions Does my unwillingness to go through painful/minor invasive procedures mean something?

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Long story short I am 37f, fencesitting for years then child free for a few years then switched to TTC a year ago.

Well I haven't been able to get pregnant yet. I have done my blood tests all good, all ultrasounds are good, I never had any issues all my life, periods painless etc. Husband tests are very good. Both my husband and I are on the same page that we are only trying naturally, IUI and IVF are off the table. If there was smth minor to fix with a pill then ok.

So now my obgyn referred me for laparoscopy surgery. 🫥 I was shocked!! With no symptoms?!

She said the non invasive tube check HyCoSy isn't always accurate and I imagine considering my age this would be the fastest way to check if anything was wrong.

I did speak to the surgeon and I'm 95% sure I will not have this surgery. Yes it's minor I agree but it's surgery. Don't get me wrong I am all in for a C section but this just feels insane - let's cut you open just to browse what's going on inside?!? What the actual fuck.

So this leads me to think.... Is it fair to genuinely want to get pregnant and be unwilling to do a minor surgery or a painful exam (HyCoSy)?

I think I would do the HyCoSy in a hospital I found that does it under cedation (I have poor IUD experience and don't buy the 'oh it's minor cramps'). But that's about it. Anyone with similar experience?

My husband supports whatever I decide, he said he is surprised I am even considering surgery because he assumed I would refuse immediately...

I also understand pregnancy and birth are 1000 times more invasive than a lap and a tube check. But I feel that has an immediate purpose, and this is like the foot in the door technique....well since you sign up for pregnancy it doesn't mean anything to just do whatever else to your body?!


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Questions Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar

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38/M. Single.

I go back to Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar often. I wanted each and every one of them, but choosing one meant losing all the rest, and, as I sat there, unable to decide, the figs began to wrinkle and go black, and, one by one, they plopped to the ground at my feet.

It's such a beautiful way to put the struggle I think many fencesitters face, at least for me. Three and a half years ago, I left an amazing person because she firmly didn't want kids and I was on the fence. Three and a half years later, I still think about her, often. I miss her. I've dated since, traveled, lived, moved, and started a new career, but I always go back to her in my heart and mind.

I've met nice people, plenty of them. None made me feel as seen, heard, acknowledged, known, and comfortable as she did. We had that spark and it was there for the full two years we dated. I believe that type of love is out there. I believe it's possible to find that love and start a family.

But much like the figs on the tree, as I age, these options do as well. And time and love are two of the most valuable resources a human can have. At what point do I elect to pursue the person over the family?

I reconnected with my ex last October. We talked for two hours, and I told her I still carried her in my heart. I asked if I could call again, and she said sometime later in the winter. I never followed up, partly because I was afraid and still unsure about kids. She recently wished me a happy birthday, and I still think about her all the time.

Have you ever been in a similar situation? At what point do you reach out and pluck a fig from that tree and accept in doing so the others have rotted away?


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Has anyone gone from firmly childfree to genuinely wanting kids in their 30s? How did you figure out whether it was fear, circumstances, or simply not wanting to be a parent?

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I'm 36 and have spent most of my adult life pretty certain I didn't want children. Certain enough to get a vasectomy, anyway.

Now I'm in love with someone who wants kids, and I'm questioning something I thought I'd settled years ago.

I'm also in a transitional period. Going back to school, changing careers, and trying to build some financial stability. I've always valued my freedom and independence, and the financial responsibility of raising children honestly scares the hell out of me.

But I'm starting to wonder whether I genuinely don't want kids or whether I've built a pretty convincing argument around my own fears.

I love this person deeply, but I don't want to talk myself into parenthood just to keep the relationship. On the other hand, I don't want fear to make a life-altering decision for me either.

I'm trying to figure out what I actually want, independent of the relationship.

I'd love to hear from people who landed on either side of the fence.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Questions Perspective needed

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Hi all,

Long story short, I've always been an avid "no", then my nibling was born and suddenly I changed my mind (there's a lot more to it but it's far too long to write out).

My partner (of 10 years) is very much on the fence, he doesn't feel super strongly either way, but he definitely has more risks he's worried about on his list than benefits. I am on the fence in regard to the fact I question everything, I'm researching so much, and I'm trying to weigh up the risks and benefits, but I am 85% leaning yes.

The thing is, I only want children with him, no one else. It's my relationship with him that has nurtured the feeling of comfort and safety to even revisit the idea in ways I hadn't before. If he decided he was too far "no" to go through with it, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, but I think I would really struggle with getting past it (I wouldn't resent him at all).

So I'm looking for perspectives from people in two scenarios:

  1. If you are someone who was leaning "yes" but ultimately decided not to because your partner wasn't on board, how did you find the process of letting go of that idea? I have spent the last nearly-2 years daydreaming of our future with kids, and a lot of the content I watch is about pregnancy, child birth and parents sharing their lives (pregnancy and childbirth became a special interest very quickly after my nibling was born), so the idea of it not happening is already making me feel like I'm grieving. Did you find therapy helpful? How did you deal with the sadness of that future being unattainable?

  2. Parents who were on the fence, either directly 50/50 or were leaning no; what has your experience been like as a parent? I want the good, the bad, and the ugly.

To make it clear, I'm not trying to convince my partner one way or another, I want us to read through the comments together and we're going to sit down and write out our own "pros and cons" and work out if it's something we are going to progress with.

TIA ❤️


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

Off the fence and on the spectrum? How did you choose?

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I’m curious how people with autism in this group made whichever choice got them off the fence. I’m currently considering having a kid more strongly than I have in my life, having been a fence sitter for basically ever, but really struggle when people ask “how do you feel/what’s in your heart.” Sometimes I’m overcome with feeling and sometimes there are none at all. How did you decide what was right for you?


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Didn’t Think I’d Make A Post Here, but Hello

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I (22M) am on the fence about kids (who would’ve thought), but my wife (25F) does want them.

My wife and I have been through a lot. We met when I was 14 and she was almost 17, and we’ve been together 8 years now. I love my wife and she loves me. For our age we own a small house in town and within the next couple years I’m lined up to be financially comfortable to have kids. To say I’m lucky is an understatement.

And I’ve known since we got together that she wanted them, and I would dream with her and we would paint a life where they were with us. For her that life is indisputable, and I respect that. Though every time we get to one goal post I set, I move it. A lot of the time that has to do with financial instability. If my parents taught me anything growing up it was “do your best to be ready.” And although I understand you’re never 100% ready, people shove that idea down my throat so much it makes me sick. Like just because they made a stupid decision that “they don’t regret, but they wish they could’ve been smarter about” that I have to as well. I don’t get it

I don’t know. The thought doesn’t excite me more than a few minutes, and the dread I feel thinking about putting a child through all of this on the pretext that “I want one” just feels selfish.

I know what life looks like with kids. I’m a good uncle, but after an hour or two I’m exhausted, and my toddler meter is drained. And then I look to my in laws and see the way their sons treat them and I think “what if I do all that work just for them to turn out like that?”

In the end my wife is worried about her biological clock. I’ve told her about the timeframe we have but this is something she is sure of, and she always has been. And I knew that.

I don’t really know what I’m asking. Maybe, “what does life look like without kids?”, 10, 15, 20 years from now what could I be doing? Am I happy?

If there’s anyone who wants to share their story please do. As of right now I’m leaning towards no. I respect the merit of being a parent but I don’t see the reason. Everyone I talk to has a “moment” where that life has clicked for them, a “wait I can do this”. I’ve had opportunities for it to happen, and it just never did.

Much love Reddit, thanks for reading

EDIT: she knows I’m on the fence, that is not something I’ve hid


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

Anxiety Dealing with parental anxiety

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For parents or fencesitters leaning towards having kids - how do you get over the anxiety that your kids may end up making bad life decisions as they grow up? I heard stories where parents can try their absolute best, built the best and strongest foundation for them, and their kids still end up making terrible life altering mistakes due to external influences, mental illness, etc that's beyond the parents control.

I know it's a lot of "what ifs" on my end, but having kids seems to open a world of possibilities, but what if I put in all the work of parenting and my kid ends up not being okay or safe?

I think I need some encouragement and positivity.


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

Childfree I desperately need advice

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This is probably going to be a long post and maybe a bit jumbled up but I’ve been struggling a lot recently and I need to vent. If anyone has advice, I would greatly appreciate it.

I’m a 28 year old woman who never wanted children. I have no patience whatsoever and Ive always found children very irritating. Ive had experiences babysitting (it was mandatory social work at school) and Ive never felt so miserable in my whole life. My friends loved being around the kids (they were sweet) but I hated every moment. Whenever there’s a baby on the bus and its either crying or laughing, Im annoyed by the sound and immediately put on my noise cancelling headphones or change seats. I simply don’t like kids. I don’t hate them though and I don’t blame them or anything like that for being loud, they’re just being kids, and I would never be mean to a child. All of this is in my head. I really dont like children’s tv shows, music or anything like that. Even looking at parents playing with their kids in the park doesn’t look appealing to me. You get the picture

However, 2 years ago I started to notice that adult life can be pretty lonely and also pretty monotonous sometimes. I started getting scared of being lonely or bored as I grew older. I also started seeing someone and he wants kids. I started thinking about it and kinda started to convince myself that it maybe wouldn’t be that bad. He is also a wonderful person and I know he would be a great dad. I thought I genuinely was changing my mind and being more open to the idea of children. I understood that they could be great and funny and a small part of me thought I could maybe enjoy parenthood. Me and my bf are planning to have kids in about 3-4 years and I was genuinely looking forward to that for a whole 2 years until recently. I had a dream that I was pregnant and Ive never felt so much horror and dread in my life. When I woke up, I was extremely relieved that it was a dream but it dawned on me that my dream will be a reality one day and Im expected to be happy when it happens. The thing is, I can’t envision being happy about it. Every time I see a kid or baby, I just wanna run away as far as I can. When I see baby toys or baby stores, I feel an intense sense of dread that Im gonna have to shop there one day. Pregnancy and birth look like a horror show to me. I value my body a lot and I don’t want to put myself through that. I’m starting to realize that I probably wanted kids in a hypothetical way but probably not in reality. I think of it as Jurassic Park: when I watch the movie, I would love to be there and see dinosaurs and run away from them. It looks so exciting! But if such a place existed in real life, I’d want to be as far away from it as possible.

There’s literally nothing about parenthood that calls to me (now that I think of the reality of it). I dont like babies and the last thing I want is to deal with all the fluids and smells. I find that entertaining children is extremely boring and tedious for me. Ive hung out with family members that have kids. They are loud, want to interact constantly and have lots of energy. When they take them home, Im relieved and I cant imagine going home to keep dealing with more of the same. It looks like a nightmare to me. I also value my free time and lazy time a lot. I like having freedom to decide what to do. I love silence and tidiness and not having to be needed 24/7. I feel like, the more I think about it, the more I realize that I wanted the romanticized version of parenting: nice Christmas, seeing your kid graduate, happy holiday photos. But the reality is different and Im not sure I want that. Getting kids ready in the morning, dressing a baby, having to make food for everyone, bed time routing reading books I consider very boring, having to watch kids sing or perform when I dont find that cute at all, having to deal with a toddler with sticky hands. im realizing that I was (subconsciously and without realizing) putting pressure on myself to like kids and want them. And Im realizing that the “anticipation” (void in my stomach) i felt when I thought of being a parent, seeing women on the bus with a stroller and knowing that would be me one day, is more close to dread than anticipation.
Yesterday, I allowed myself to think that I wasn’t condemned to having kids. My relationship would end but I wouldn’t have to have them. And i felt immediate, intense relief. I was able to tell myself “damn I really don’t like kids” and it felt freeing. Even before, when I thought of the possibility of me snd my bf breaking up, I was a bit relieved that I didn’t have to have kids anymore.

I lean very childfree and I know that my relationship will end if I decide not to have kids. This breaks my heart like nothing else. But I keep thinking “what if its not that bad?” “What if you’d enjoy it?” “What if you destroy the best relationship you’ve ever had and you would’ve been happy with kids?”
I’ve read many stories here of people that didn’t want or like kids and they enjoy parenthood. Im scared if doing the wrong thing but it feels like too big a gamble to have a kid and see if maybe I like it? Even with all the evidence above suggesting I most likely won’t. A kid shouldn’t have a parent who doesn’t like then or who regrets them. Kids are smart and I 100% believe that they know if they aren’t loved. I dont wanna make us both miserable if I make the wrong choice.

I also feel like a huge jerk because my bf asked about kids before we got together and I assured him I wanted then too. And I wasn’t lying, that statement felt genuine at the time. But now Im going to break his heart when he did the right thing and asked the right questions and I hate myself for it. I’ve been struggling a lot because these realizations just became clear to me days ago and it’s causing me emotional distress. I don’t know what to do or what to think or what to do with my relationship. If anyone can help or has any insight, I would appreciate it immensely. Thanks for reading


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

Questions Need some perspective

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Hello everybody, I would like some perspective regarding my situation.
So my boyfriend and I started dating less than a year ago but we’d been friends for years before we became a couple, I know him very well and he is very dear to me. Now the issue is that he wants kids and I don’t. If you take my bf out if the equation, I would absolutely not have kids. But Im considering having them for him. I love him very much, we fit really well together and our relationship is amazing. Though I don’t want to have kids, I keep reading stories here of people who didn’t want kids either but ended up loving parenthood. I keep thinking “this could be me” “maybe I'll love parenthood too” but there’s no certainty that that will happen. I wanna make him happy and part of me thinks that seeing him happy, loving our kids (that I hopefully would love too) and having a family could be a future I might enjoy. However, I’ve also read many stories of people who regret parenthood so there’s no certainty that Im going to be happy with kids. One thought I had recently, scared me. I imagined telling my boyfriend I dont want kids and then him saying he doesnt want them anymore and I felt such relief and joy at that possibility. That would be future I would genuinely look forward to so much! And it made me see that a future with kids is one I would maybe tolerate but I’m not enthusiastic about it. I’m questioning my choice to do it for him. He is not pressuring me in any way and he’s not the type of person to try to convince me to do something I really don’t want to do. Specially, when that has more physical consequences for me than him (Im a woman). It would be really helpful if anyone who’s been in this position before can help me out. I know that this is something potentially stupid. Nothing guarantees that we’ll stay together forever, not even a child. And I’m scared that even with him being by my side, I’m going to hate motherhood so much that I’ll end up miserable anyways. Im starting to accept that my relationship might be over but I’d like some perspective before I make such a huge decision and tell him I dont want kids.


r/Fencesitter • • 4d ago

A day in the life with a 13yo(f), 9yo(m) and 7yo(m)

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Excuse the occasional spelling and grammar mistake, english is not my native language.

Three kids, 13, 9 and 7. Oldest is girl, younger two are boys.

Wake up at 6:30am. I've always woken up early. My partner usually likes to sleep in but her company started working with an eastern European dev team last year so now she wakes up early with me. 6:30am to 7am is just us having our coffee, doing wordle and chatting. Kids wake up at 7am.

7am to 8am - Chaos! Ok, not quite but 5 people in the house so it gets noisy. I make breakfast and lunches for everyone. She deals with any clothing, hair or homework issues. I'm also feeding the dog and cat at this point. Everyone is usually happy except the cat whose an asshole. Wife starts her work at 7:30am. We both work from home these days although I was working from an office up until Jan of 2026.

8am - Depending on meeting schedule, I will usually walk the dog while walking the kids to school. If I have meetings then the oldest walks the two youngest to school and then goes to her school. Schools are close together and we deliberately picked a home that was close to elementary, middle and high school. When I was working from an office, I would drop off the kids on the way to work.

8am to 5pm - Wife and I work from home these days. Usually take a walk together at lunch time or spend some breaks together in the backyard. Some days kids will come back home at 3pmish but most days the oldest will walk them all home after various activities at 5pm. It does depend on her social schedule though. She knows she can tell us to come pick up the boys if she has plans, which happens at least once or twice a week these days. A year or two ago, before the oldest really wanted to take responsibility for the boys, it was my wife picking them all up.

5pm to 7pm - Chaos! Ok, again, it's not so bad. The boys don't have much homework yet so they are typically out in the backyard or the street playing with other kids or each other. I will occasionally join depending on which adult is out there keeping an eye on them. Girl is usually doing her homework at this point although lately she's been out with friends more and more. I start making dinner at 6pm and wife helps or just hangs out with me in the kitchen. 6:30pm to 7pm we all eat dinner together.

7:30pm and on - Really depends. The younger two still think we're cool so they want to hang out with us. We usually play board games or watch a movie together. Oldest will occasionally be tempted by this and come out to join us but it's a 50/50 shot. Sometimes she goes out with friends and sometimes she just tells us we have no rizz and hangs out in her room reading books or drawing stuff.

9 to 10pm - Younger two go to bed after shower time and some bed time stories. I do that while my wife spends time with the oldest decompressing from the day.

10pm to 11pm - Oldest is reading in her bedroom. Wife and I hang out in ours. Everyone is asleep by 11pm except the cat who prowls around waking me up at odd hours of the night.

Weekends vary. We like doing one or two day trips in our area (SF bay area) but we also like staying home and just hanging out. There's really no standard weekend because it depends on our plans. Oldest is doing her own thing more and more which is both cool and a little sad to see. Every other weekend is chores weekend where we get stuff done around the house like home repair, yard work, laundry and so on. The kids will "help" but it's spotty, which is fine.

Oh, forgot. Once or twice a month, we go out on a date night. We've been doing that since the oldest was around 2yo. Back then we would hire a baby sitter or swap baby sitting with friends. These days the oldest gets to decide if she wants to make some money. If she does, she lords over the boys with an iron fist for the night. Otherwise, we hire a baby sitter, usually the neighbor's college kid. Wife and I will then go out although I have to tell you, our idea of a romantic date is funny these days. Last time we went shopping at costco for two hours and then had chicken bakes in the park followed by two hours of just sitting there with a couple of beers each and chatting.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Childfree Ik you are busy, but I value your advice

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For the context, I'm in a healthy relationship with long-term goal. We are pretty logical, mature and resoect eachother the utmost level. But, neither me nor he never force our theories on eachother, in most cases we will contradict, but both will be correct and logical in our own way, not emotional VS logical.

We planned to adopt kids, as im an antinatalist and he wants kid but doesn't necessarily needs to be biological. But he doesn't fantasized about taking care of pregnancy and postpartum but he's okay with it.

And I kinda feel like, will I be a good parent cuz I planned to adopt 10 to 20 kids of age 12 who need expensive treatment or care. But he's more like adopting and raising them as own kids. And I'm afraid about my autonomy.

But, I'm more like changing the conventions but he's more like i don't do it if I don't want, but sometimes for sake of people around me.

We talked about boundaries, he's completely okay and will always stand up and let me be myself(he proved that in relationship too), I love this thing, but sometimes I feel like I'm just being too revolutionizing but he isn't which makes me feel will it be good in long term.

This is the uncertainty which only time will tell but I'm afraid and confused and need your opinions. I'm bit afraid to leave cuz i might not able to find someone like him, and afraid will i became influenced by his thoughts and lose myself.


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

He lean towards "yes", me towards "no", but we are 25

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So I(25F) and my bf(soon 26M) have been together for almost a year, but we were good friends a year before. At the beginning of our relationship we had a miscommunication towards what our "maybe" meant.

Mine is "I don't really feel like I want children but maybe I will change my mind in the future" and his maybe is "I would like kids but I know that something may prevent that".

Now I agonize considering the future. When I was with my ex I spend 7 years on childfree and regretful parents side of the internet so my view of parenthood may be twisted. Now I try to expose myself to more positive perspectives, but I still don't have the want to have kids.

When I'm stressed I plan. I research and I know what I would try to do so I won't be consumed and burnout by being a parent. I checked daycares, how much lived in nanny costs, how to encourage independence. How my depression and ADHD would affect me and my kid. I guess I'm bracing myself if the want would ever come, but I don't know if it will.

My bf was a third parent to his younger brother (age gap of 14) and when he thinks of parenthood he said he wants more of a role his mother has than his dad (dad worked a lot). That's good because I really really really don't want to be the primary parent. But I'm the one with a womb, so it's more complicated.

He deserves someone who is fully on board. Parenting is a difficult journey and he deserves someone who would be as excited as he is, and not someone who would need to be dragged.

We talk about it and he knows that I'm a "no, but maybe yes in the future" he is also thinking about it.

We are young and I don't know if it's fair to end this relationship over this when I'm not a "strong no"


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

Reading Who Gets to Have Kids by Anna Louie Sussman

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I've started getting sponsored ads for this book published at the start of the month. Has anyone read it yet? I am trying to gauge whether it may be useful, or just straight up depressing in making it seem like the decision is even more out of my control...


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

Reflections I was pretty sure i didn’t want kids and now i can't, and now im struggling with whats coming up.

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I never wanted biological children. But I also have had extremely painful periods since I started them and complicated reproductive health since the beginning, so I think in part I knew instinctually my body couldn't carry them.

I never really let myself indulge in the feelings of wanting them that would come up every now and then, id always just kind of brush it off as something not worth the physical and emotional toll it would take on me.

Recently I had a medically necessary hysterectomy. Since then ive been experiencing a lot of greif around infertility that I don't know how to explain. It all just feels really unfair. I wonder if in a different body, would i have even be a fence sitter?

Honestly probably, because there were other reasons in the kid "con" column other than my physical issues, but it still feels like the choice has been taken from me either way.

I am sad about the possibility of never getting to nurture and love my "own" kid, I am happy I will have more "freedom" than my friends having kids. I know i could adopt but im even more on the fence about that having been a social worker and knowing the ways it can go south (tho any type of parenting can I guess.)

Anyway. Im posting this i guess to let others know (and myself) that some level of grief in either path is normal, maybe even expected for some of us. And you aren't alone in this whole thing being very painful and confusing.


r/Fencesitter • • 4d ago

Parenting What are some reasons you guys have kids now?

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Of course if I wasn’t in the right financial position to have a child I’d never do that anyways. But if I were and they’d be set then.. I don’t know. curious what you new (relatively new) parents are/were thinking.

I’ve really loved the idea of experiencing motherhood and especially parenthood with somebody I love. children are like a physical, biological representation of your love and I think that’s really beautiful. I feel like I’d be a great parent but I’m just not sure if I should bring a child into this world. It’s really hard to think about not having a child because I feel like I’m missing out on something incredible. But it’s also maybe.. unethical I guess for lack of better words to have a kid grow up and then be like “why did you give birth to me this sucks.” I can’t say I’ve had the easiest time all the time but I love being alive.