Both cognates inherited the word through reconstructed Proto-Indo European: gʷḗn-, meaning "woman".

Serbian and many other Slavic languages like Polish ( żona ) inherited it through Proto-Slavic : žena (woman).

During the Mughal Period as the Persian language influenced the Indian sub-continent Urdu and Hindi had adopted the word "zanana" through classical Persian  زنانه (zanāna) which is composed of zan ( زن ) meaning woman and -âne (ـانه) a suffix that functions much the same as -ly does in English forming adjectives describing actions, concept or human beings.

So quite literally it means womanly or feminine. But the word zanana in this specific context went through nominalization and was originally a much longer form Sarāy-e zanāna (the house pertaining to women/women quarters) and began to shorten over time to just zanāna.

Lastly, both these words are cognates through PIE to English "queen".

Currently have shingles the disease (0/5 stars, do not recommend) and wondering how we got a word that means both a nerve infection and plates on a roof.

I'm doing some research into the etymology of these terms and if the origins have impacted why some terms have been reclaimed and others haven't. I would appreciate if i could get some more information to how changing social attitudes of these terms have caused new meanings to emerge throughout the etymology.

Seeing “brygge” used in current Norwegian (Oslo) as both a wharf (Arten Brygge) and brewery (Amundsen Bryggeri). Both go back to old Norse for “carry” which kind of makes sense for a wharf. More so for bridge or brig. Not seeing how brewing comes into play.

The other day I (an ESL speaker) drew a total blank trying to recall the English word "discount" and all that came to my mind was the German/Swedish equivalent, Rabatt. I got interested in the latter word's etymology, which led to something of a rabbit hole.

1. German Rabatt "discount", cognate with English "rebate", a false friend of sorts
2. From Archaic Italian rabbatto
3. Deverbal from Italian rabbattere, French rabattre "to make something lower, pull down, shut"
4. From re+abattre; the re being a derivational prefix without a particular meaning here
5. From French abattre "to butcher, cut down, fall down"
6. From Late Latin abbattere "to strike down"; see also Italian abbattere with a ton of related meanings
7. From ad+battere; the ad functions here as an intensifying verb prefix
8. From Latin batto, battuo "to fence, strike"
9. Ultimately either from Proto-Indo-European *bʰedʰh₂- ("to stab, dig"), or a separate root *bʰat- ("to hit");

Going forward in time again, this is the root of the English noun and verb "bat" as well as "batter", "battery", "battered", "battle" etc. via French battre but also "to bate" and "to abate"

1. From which also "debate"
   • From French debattre "fight"
   • From Latin dis+battere, literally "strike apart";
2. But not "masturbate" which is a 19th century neologism from manus+turbare "hand-defile"
   • From Latin turbare "to disrupt, trouble, disturb"
   • Probably from Ancient Greek τύρβη (túrbē, “tumult, disorder, turmoil”), from which also ultimately "turbulence", "turbine", "turbo-", "perturb", etc.
   • From Proto-Indo-European *(s)twerH- "to rotate, twirl, move around" from which also ultimately at least "storm" and "twirl".
3. And apparently, maybe unexpectedly, also not the root of the verb and noun "beat" which are of Germanic origin
   • From Old English bēatan "to beat, pound, strike, lash, dash, thrust, hurt, injure"
   • From Proto-West Germanic *bautan
   • From Proto-Germanic *bautaną ("to push, strike"), with the ultimate origin uncertain.

Here’s this week’s etymology question from 3Roads.xyz.

In architecture, an X is a small recessed section of a room or an arched opening in a wall, partially enclosed by vertical elements such as walls, pillars, or balustrades. In geology, X refers to a steep-sided hollow in an exposed rock face or cliff, typically formed by water erosion in a homogeneous rock type. The term X originates from the Arabic word al-qubbah, meaning “vault.” What is X?

I always assumed “midriff” was an opaque word, but it breaks down pretty cleanly. It comes from Old English midhrif: midd “middle” + hrif “belly, womb.”

Hrif goes back to Proto-Germanic *hrifiz, with cognates like Old Frisian rif “belly” and Old High German href “body, womb.” It died out in English as a standalone word and survives only as a fossil inside “midriff.”

Further back, *hrifiz is usually traced to PIE *kʷrep- “body, form, appearance.” That same root is the commonly cited source of Latin corpus “body,” which would make “midriff” a very distant relative of corpse.

I apologize if i misremember the way foreign text Is written

Basically do you know the mathematical rule where if you draw a chord in a circle and split It With the diameter, It becomes the shortest side of a right triangle, or sin?

Basically the First recorded Discovery of this was in ancient india, where It was called Jia (literally "Rope")

Years later the arabs collected those books and adapted this knowledge without changing the names to arab, resulting in the world "jiba"

After this those books where taken to Rome, but written arab, if i understood correctly, doesnt have vowels

So the translation was unsure if the world was jiba=Rope or jabi= a narrow Valley/"sunken" Land

They went With the second and translated It "sinnus"

Jump about a millenia, and in common italian the world was translated to "seno"

So now the world sin shares its written form in italian With boobs

…when they are almost always adorned with colors or patterns?

can anyone help with the origin of this phrase?

Two years ago I had a successful kickstarter etymology card game. Now it's a video game!

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I'm aware of other idioms and phrases that have lengthened, supposed "original" versions, such as "curiosity killed the cat / but satisfaction brought it back" or "blood is thicker than water // the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb." People have been editing and twisting common idioms around for ages I'm sure.

My dad says, "When pigs fly, we'll shoot our bacon," is how he was taught. He tells me he probably learned this from his mom. I've tried looking it up but this addition to "when pigs fly" seems completely original or at least undocumented.

Has anyone ever heard this phrase or something close to it before, or did my family just completely make it up?

$200: This adjective describes when a city (or two cities?) has a dark underbelly of squalid poverty, like in 19th Century Victorian London. What is Dickensian?

$400: This adjective alluding to pleasure gained from cruelty or violence has its roots in the works of a 16th-17th century French nobleman. What is Sadistic?

$600: This adjective can used to describe the type of totalitarian oppressive dystopia evident in a 1949 classic book. What is Orwellian?

$800: The word for this type of idealistic impractical behavior comes from the name of a 16th-17th Spanish author’s delusional (but chivalrous) character. What is Quixotic?

$1000: This word is appropriate to describe being stuck in a maze of senseless bureaucracy or illogical frustrating situations like those in a certain Prague born author’s writing. What is Kafkaesque?

I feel as though I've heard it. And not in the way of asking a boy how he did something. It would be more exclamatory like, "BOY HOW, that building is TALLL!"

If it's relevant I live in the southern US

I'm not an etymology expert, like I know jack shit about diddly squat when it comes to this stuff, but I thought this might be a relevant question for you guys. I couldn't really find anything on the first page of Google and reddit is more fun anyway.

According to a web-site called ‘etymonline’ (I am unsure if this is a reliable source or not as am not well-versed in etymology itself), the english comes from a meaning about blood.

‘Middle English blessen, from Old English bletsian, bledsian, Northumbrian bloedsian"to consecrate by a religious rite, make holy, give thanks," from Proto-Germanic \blodison"hallow with blood, mark with blood," from *blotham* "blood" (see blood (n.)). Originally a blood sprinkling on pagan altars.’

— etymonline entry

I know, from personal experience, that the French verb se blesser means to injure or hurt oneself, which one can certainly link to blood, quite easily. Is there an actual link between these words, or is it just happenstance?

ie. plaque on your teeth vs plaque award vs plaque to read (ie. museums)

did they come from the same root?

And even Hungarian, Estonian and Finnish, but none of the other Germanic languages.

Old High German: zil
    Middle High German: zil
        German: Ziel
            Hunsrik: Ziel
            → Bulgarian: цел (cel)
            → Czech: cíl
            → Hungarian: cél
                → Romanian: țel, țil
            → Macedonian: цел (cel)
            → Polish: cel, cyl, czel (Middle Polish)
                → Belarusian: цэль (celʹ)
                → Esperanto: celo
                → Kashubian: cél
                → Slovincian: cél
                → Russian: цель (celʹ), цѣль (cělʹ) — pre-1918 spelling
                    → Yakut: сыал (sïal)
                → Ukrainian: ціль (cilʹ)
            → Serbo-Croatian:
                Cyrillic script: ци̑љ
                Latin script: cȋlj
            → Slovak: cieľ
            → Slovene: cilj
        → Old Czech: cíl, cíľ (alternative writing)
            Czech: cíl
            Old Polish: cel
                Polish: cel, cyl, czel (Middle Polish)
                    → Belarusian: цэль (celʹ)
                    → Esperanto: celo
                    → Kashubian: cél
                    → Slovincian: cél
                    → Russian: цель (celʹ), цѣль (cělʹ) — pre-1918 spelling
                        → Yakut: сыал (sïal)
                    → Ukrainian: ціль (cilʹ)
                Silesian: cyl
→ Proto-Finnic: *tila
    Estonian: tila
    Finnish: tila (“room, space”)

Edit: I proofread the title like three times, but still missed a word :/

I was at a conference recently with people from lots of nations, many of whom were multilingual. As a local host I took a group of them on a wine-tasting excursion, and as the day progressed we started making jokes about each other's nation's beverages and drinking cultures.

I'm an American living abroad, and so of course the subject of American beer came up. I told the old joke:

Q: How is American beer like having sex in a canoe?
A: They're both fucking close to water.

My new Canadian, Irish, and South African friends got it immediately, but our Taiwanese and German friends took a moment to translate the joke in their heads, and I think it didn't land.

It's not a great joke so I wouldn't be surprised if they just didn't think it was funny, but it led me to wonder how common it is for a language to use a word for coitus as an transgressive version of "very". I'm guessing there would be cultural reasons for using a rude word as a superlative but I'm not sure if there are different patterns in different languages or cultures.

Do any of you smart wordwizards know about this?

EDIT: I used the wrong word (in an etymology sub no less!). It's not a superlative, it's an intensifier.

Okay English linguists…

Why do we say, “I lost my virginity?” Surely it should be “I’m no longer a virgin” or “I gave my virginity to so and so.”

Why do we refer to it as something one can misplace? It’s not like you can find it again.

Can you imagine? “Oh look! Someone forgot their virginity, better get this to lostand found.

“Oh no Bob another missing cat. Must be some cougars in the area.”

“I’d say so Earl. Look at this! Three more posters over here. One dog and two for virginity.”

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At what point do two languages stop being dialects, are there specific parameters that distinguish a language from a dialect, like I know the Chinese government considers the Chinese languages dialects of each other to maintain the perception of a homogeneous nation, but at what point did Tamil and Malayalam stop being dialects and become two independent languages?