r/beatles • • 11h ago

Opinion Why I Think John Was The Superior Beatle

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I know you shouldn't really compare John and Paul because they complemented each other, I get it. But as a diehard Beatles fan, this is just a fun, harmless thought experiment. If you put prime John and Paul in separate rooms for 30 minutes and told them to come up with a song, Paul probably comes out with the better track 7 out of 10 times. He had more hits, had better melodic instinct, and is genuinely at least a top 15 bassist of all time. Purely as an all-around musician and craftsman, Paul clears John.

But John made the Beatles’ absolute greatest, most important, most groundbreaking songs. Part of that was his willingness to experiment, which is common knowledge. But the bigger, more underrated factor was that John was way more open to letting the other guys contribute to his songs. That openness is what ascended his songs. Whereas Paul usually had his songs 90-99% baked in his head before he even brought them to the band.

We see this all over their history. During Get Back, John told Paul that there had been a period when nobody could suggest anything about his arrangements because he would reject their ideas. George’s frustration with Paul is well documented too like their famous arguments over guitar parts on "Hey Jude" and "Let It Be" (even if Paul was mostly in the right musically). After the breakup, George also famously said, "I'd join a band with John Lennon any day, but I couldn't join a band with Paul McCartney," clarifying that he meant this from a musical standpoint. Even Paul's infamous micromanagement of Ringo's drumming shows how specific and controlling his arrangements could be. It doesn't make Paul a bad collaborator, but it did limit how much the rest of the band could have elevated his stuff. "Fixing a Hole" had the potential to be his "Lucy in the Sky" had he included weird psychedelic textures. Some of his vaudeville tracks could've taken dark, avant-garde twists, I could even see "Hey Jude" having an "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" type ending.

"Norwegian Wood" brought the sitar into Western pop; "I'm Only Sleeping" pioneered reversed guitar; "Rain" brought backwards vocals to rock; "Tomorrow Never Knows" threw tape loops and avant-garde noise into the mainstream; "Strawberry Fields" pushed studio editing to new heights by splicing takes with completely different tempos and keys; "Good Morning Good Morning" turned animal sounds into a rhythmic collage; "I Feel Fine" pioneered the use of guitar feedback as an intended effect; "I Want You" had one of the first use of Moog synthesizer to build a massive wall of noise; "I Am The Walrus" innovated hijacking live radio broadcasts as sound effects to a song; "A Day In The Life" and "Happiness Is a Warm Gun" basically invented the multi-suite, episodic song structure in rock music years before "Bohemian Rhapsody" or "Paranoid Android". I also don't think it's not a coincidence that some of Ringo's most iconic drum parts are in John's songs (Ticket To Ride, Come Together, Rain, She Said She Said, A Day In The Life, Tomorrow Never Knows, I Feel Fine)

That’s the whole point. The entire band, Paul especially, were instrumental in making those innovations happen, but it was John’s receptiveness to collaboration that elevated his music. Paul was the better standalone talent, no question. Some of his greatest hits didn't even require the band (Yesterday, Blackbird, I Will). But John was better at tapping into the collective genius of the group. And that’s ultimately why I think John was the superior Beatle.


r/beatles • • 15h ago

Discussion What would've happened if The Beatles hadn't broken the US and remained just a UK band? It's always the US fans that are truly obsessively insane.

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r/beatles • • 15h ago

Question Which pre-Rubber Soul Beatles Album has the worst album cover?

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r/beatles • • 18h ago

Question Does anyone has the John Lennon Biography book by Philip Norman in pdf or epub?

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I want to read it but I can’t find it anywhere. It can be in spanish or english


r/beatles • • 15h ago

Discussion What if Stu Sutcliff and lived and continued to play bass with the Beatles?

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A rhythm section of Sutcliff and Best doesn't sound as good as McCartney and Starr, does it?


r/beatles • • 6h ago

Discussion "Elizabeth Reigns" wins Track 2.18 ~ Which song would you add to a 2CD RINGO STARR Best of the Solo Years compilation? Top comment of the day makes the cut | Links to Spotify playlists below

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r/beatles • • 20h ago

Picture John & His Hasshaku-Sama

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Original Art By Kaza-0
Edited By Me, Rodger Blackoro


r/beatles • • 20h ago

Question Do you think Paul McCartney is aware of “McLennon”?

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Do you think Paul McCartney is aware of this whole McLennon thing? 😂 It must be pretty weird to see people trying to portray you and your best friend as secretly being in love with each other, especially when you’re talking about a real friendship that existed decades ago. I know John and Paul had an incredibly close bond, and I understand why people are fascinated by their relationship, but there’s a difference between appreciating that connection and turning it into a romantic fantasy.

Paul is obviously an elderly man now, so I doubt he’s sitting around watching TikToks or reading fan fiction about himself and John lol. But if he is aware of some of the stuff people post, I wonder what he makes of it. Imagine spending years building a musical partnership and friendship with someone, only to have people online analyse every look, lyric and interaction as supposed evidence that you were secretly in love. 😂

Honestly, shipping real people has always struck me as strange, especially when it involves people who are no longer around to comment on it. There’s nothing wrong with finding their friendship fascinating, but inventing a romantic relationship and treating it as fact is a different story. I can only imagine how bizarre it must be for someone like Paul to see people projecting an entire romantic narrative onto one of the most important friendships of his life.


r/beatles • • 20h ago

Opinion Did John and Paul have matching shoes or did they wear each other’s shoes?

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r/beatles • • 12h ago

Question Beatles in Mono CDs in UK

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Hi, sorry to ask this. Is there anyway to buy the UK albums as they were released in mono on CD anymore? If so is it a case of buying them up one by one and then Abbey Road and Let It Be in the original Stereo? Thanks.


r/beatles • • 7h ago

Art Made Paul and George a couple of weeks ago…it was like 2AM when I made this…

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So uhh yeah👍


r/beatles • • 9h ago

Video Paul McCartney covering Married with Children

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r/beatles • • 7h ago

Opinion my favorite song from each Beatles album

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same as title pretty much. There were so many tough choices because every Beatles album is stacked with iconic hits but these are the ones that I find most special to me. Also included one for the singles because my favorite Beatles song is in fact a non-album single.

This is also how I learned just HOW MANY songs were written by Lennon-McCartney duo my gosh they wrote everything together.


r/beatles • • 16h ago

Question Question about George Harrison and Mark Lewisohn

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Is it true that George got Mark banned from the Apple archives? Why would he do that?


r/beatles • • 18h ago

Question Magical Mystery Tour (Giles Mix)?

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I think Giles’ work on the new 2026 stereo Rubber Soul is his best yet and I’m wondering if and when we might get a full remix of MMT. I know updated stereo mixes of Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane were made for the 2017 Sgt. Pepper release, but was wondering when we might get the full MMT remix.


r/beatles • • 13h ago

Question What do you think is the best Beatles song for a heartbreak?

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r/beatles • • 4h ago

Question Which of the Beatles films is your favorite, and why?

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Whether it be a full on story as to “Why”, or something as simple as a singular sentence. I’m extremely curious

Only including films that released during the band’s lifetime and Let It Be. Feels weird not to include it, even if it did release after they had broken up. And I do mean Let It Be, not Get Back or the Anthology doc or Beatles ‘64 anything like that. Just the main five films.


r/beatles • • 4h ago

Picture Ringo as a Wizard for the Magical Mystery Tour movie, 1967

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r/beatles • • 13h ago

Art Listening to The Beatles~..

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r/beatles • • 22h ago

Picture The most fabulous!

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What's the one Beatles thing you'd like to recreate in your life?


r/beatles • • 2h ago

Article Could a Musician Ever Win the Nobel Prize Again?

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r/beatles • • 6h ago

TIL TIL that the Cheech & Chong's song "Basketball Jones" had on it George Harrison, Billy Preston, Carole King, Darlene Love and Michelle Phillips.

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r/beatles • • 19h ago

Question The Hours and Times

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I jusr found out about this short movie called "The Hours and Times" that is about John and Brian's trip to Spain. The filmmakers are very careful to say it's all fiction, of course. Has anyone seen it?


r/beatles • • 19h ago

Opinion Make Room!

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Need to make room for Rubber Soul. What goes? To the far right are the Mad Day Out book and the complete Cutting Edge box.


r/beatles • • 19h ago

Interview Why the Beatles never faded.

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Rock Critic Joel Selvin: Why The Beatles Have Never Faded
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