Hey guys, I was hoping to get some advice on selecting an associate role.
Just some context, I'm a 2023 grad that's been a solo associate at a corporate office for essentially the entire time. I enjoy surgery quite a bit, I'm very comfortable with surgical exts, flapping, grafting etc. i started placing implants 1-2 years after taking a bunch of CEs though I've stuck with single posteriors for now, and I do straightforward anterior/premolar endo. Having been solo the entire time, of course I take a bunch of CEs but its been a lot of figuring stuff out on my own. I think its absolutely helped me grow as a clinician, build skill/confidence and I feel very comfortable by myself, but its also stopped me from pushing myself too hard, which is why I've avoided things like immediate/anterior implant, molar endo etc.
I recently left my previous office, largely because I was hoping to work in an office with mentorship, working alongside colleague/s that are doing more implants/molar endo so I could learn from them/bounce tx plans etc.
Maybe I'm being picky but I'm not gonna lie, its been tough finding an office like that. Maybe its the area I am looking (Chicagoland, suburbs) but almost every single office I've interviewed at either doesn't want the associate doing implants/endo or I'd be solo at an owners second/third practice. I've been promised "remote mentorship" from owners, but I was also promised that at my DSO and never got it lol so IDK if I trust that.
I recently spoke to an office that seemed very promising, the owner still works clinically full time, does pretty much every thing I want to do/learn ( 3rds, implants, molar endo) and is very up front about wanting to mentor. I've spoken with the associates privately and they also speak very highly of the office and confirmed the owner is very open to mentorship. The office culture seems great and I got along well with the partners when I spoke to them. A couple of red flags however. I was given a history of the associates production and it's not great. Two of them average about 30k a month. Thats production, not their take home, which would end up about 10k a month based off of that, which is low, it would end up about a 50% pay cut for me (I averaged maybe 65-70k adjusted production at my previous office). A couple of other things, the associates are the ones that not only tx plan but also talk prices/financials to pts, not a tx coordinator or front desk which I'm not used to. The associate also puts in all the basic info into the chart like existing work, pt info etc, not the assistant. Not a big deal of course, just not something I'm used to. There are a lot of Drs, theres 3 partners and 3 associates, and they have 2-3 total hygienists, they get 80-100 new pts a month, ppo office.
Two of the associates are new grads who have been there less than a year and so there may be a lot of tx left on the table on the table but even after a year their 30k per month production makes me worried, being the sole provider in my family we don't have a second income and these student loan payments are hitting heavy lol. Their collections rate is also a little concerning, i think its around 80-90% for the two newer associates, but that also has to do with the fact they present both tx and the financial aspect to pts, and they may be inexperienced with that.
The office does have a longer running associate of a few years that is doing a bit of everything, b&b, exts w/grafts, endo, implants that is averaging around 50k a month production which is not bad at all.
I've also gotten an offer at another office that recently sold to a new/small dso and the owner is also a founding member/partner of the dso. There a current part time associate that's there 3 days a week who has an almost identical skillset to me, exts, simple implants, simple endo. The owner did a lot more clinically, surgically and endo wise but doesn't practice anymore, but again has offered remote mentorship, going over tx plans, and said he's willing to come in if needed in the beginning. He was also complaining about the current associate a bit, that he wasn't production focused and didn't want to do more tx/production-wise. They want someone willing/motivated to do dlmore specialty work and be more production focused. The owner said he has offered to teach the associate more on implants/endo but the guy wasn't interested. I then had a chance to speak with the associate, who was very nice/chill, i had a great talk with him. The associate showed me his numbers, he's averaging 65-75k adjusted production and he makes 35% collections, on 3 days a week, theres 2-3 hygienists there as well. It was just be me full-time and the part time associate there. I asked the associate about mentorship from the owner, and the associate said I probably wouldn't get any, which is different than what the owner said lol.
I'm very torn at this point, I've turned down a lot of offers because I'd be solo/have no mentorship or there is no hygienist and I'd be doing a lot of my own hygiene and at this point I'm wondering if I'm just being too picky and I shouldn't focus on mentorship and just continue with CEs. I guess not having had it, it's hard for me to judge how valuable is.
Would any experienced docs here be able to provide advice? Is it worth it to take a pay hit to be able work in person/alongside an experienced mentor doc or focus on a higher producing office and just take more CEs? Does anyone have experience with "remote mentorship" from an owner/colleague that doesn't work clinically anymore but has offered to go over tx plans remotely etc? Should I keep looking around, is it reasonable to expect to find an office with this criteria?
Thanks!