r/progressive_islam • • Sep 18 '26

Mod Announcement 📢 Attention Everyone! This is an announcement, a reminder, and it is also a WARNING

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We are going to make this absolutely freakin clear. r/Progressive_Islam is not a place for propaganda, apologism, whitewashing, or justification of crimes committed by governments, regimes, political parties, movements, or armed groups. We do not care who the perpetrator is, what flag they fly, what ideology they claim to represent, what religion they claim to follow, or what geopolitical enemy they happen to have. Whether it is the Israeli government, USA, Western imperialist powers, the Iranian regime, the Chinese government, the Russian government, the North Korean regime, or anyone else, the standard is the same. You do not get a free pass to excuse atrocities simply because you hate one side more than the other. We have enforced this before, and we will continue to enforce it.


During the years of the Palestine crisis, particularly throughout 2023-25, a large number of the people who came into this subreddit specifically to defend Israel's conduct, justify what was happening to Palestinians, or repeat blatantly apologetic narratives were outsiders with little or no previous participation here. We banned them. However, there were also some people who had been genuine participants in this community for a long time, people who had previously made useful posts and comments and had otherwise contributed positively. When some of those users repeatedly crossed the line into whitewashing and justification of Israeli abuses, we banned them too. Your contribution history does not give you immunity from moderation.


And the same standard applies to Hamas.

Hamas did not emerge as some ordinary secular nationalist organization; it was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin out of the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood and was explicitly Islamist from its creation. Its 1988 charter described Palestine as an Islamic endowment and envisioned an Islamic state governed by Sharia. After Hamas seized control of Gaza in 2007, it established an authoritarian system in which political opposition and peaceful dissent were suppressed, critics, journalists and activists were arbitrarily detained and in some cases tortured, and executions were carried out after proceedings that failed to meet international fair trial standards. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International also documented Hamas forces using excessive force against demonstrators, including during the 2019 “We Want to Live” protests, when more than 1,000 Palestinians were detained. Hamas has also imposed or enforced various religiously motivated restrictions on social life, including restrictions on women's dress and mobility, gender segregation in many settings, and rules affecting women's participation in public life.

We did not make a specific announcement post about Hamas's rule and abuses during 2023-25 because the overwhelming reality facing Palestinians was the devastation being inflicted on Gaza by Israel, and we did not want Hamas to become another excuse for shifting attention away from Palestinian suffering. But now is the time to talk about it as well.

Condemning Hamas's authoritarianism and abuses does not mean supporting Israel, the occupation, the blockade, collective punishment or the destruction of Gaza. It means applying the same standard we apply everywhere else.

  • Some people may point to Hamas's 2017 Document of General Principles and Policies and say that Hamas had changed, abandoned its earlier positions, or therefore deserves to be trusted. The document certainly changed some of Hamas's language: it accepted the idea of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders while still refusing to recognize Israel, but it did not formally replace the 1988 charter. And besides, history gives us plenty of reason to be cautious about taking political assurances from theocrats. The Iranian revolution brought together liberals, nationalists, leftists and Islamists. But once Khomeini consolidated power, his Islamist camp suppressed and eliminated former political allies while Iran was transformed into a clerically dominated Islamic theocracy. The Taliban provide another much more recent example: before returning to power in 2021, they publicly promised that women would have their rights; yet after coming to power they subsequently closed secondary schools to girls, severely restricted women's employment and movement, and imposed extensive restrictions on women and girls. So no, we are not going to treat a political document or a promise of change as a magical eraser for years of authoritarian rule and documented abuses. People are entitled to be skeptical, and nobody here is required to trust Hamas simply because it issued a new document.

That same principle applies to Iran

(This is going to be longest section because we have encountered the Iranian Regime apologists far more in number than the other apologists combined)

As we have already explained in our previous announcement, this subreddit has had to deal with people coming here specifically to defend or propagandize on behalf of the Iranian regime. There were people who tried to dismiss the Iranian uprising entirely as CIA or Mossad propaganda, who attempted to portray ordinary Iranians protesting against the regime as foreign agents, and in one particularly disgusting case, someone even claimed that civilians who had been killed in a hospital were all Mossad agents and that their deaths were therefore justified. We banned all of them. Our position on this has been completely consistent:

  • you can criticize particular opposition groups, political factions, foreign governments, protesters, or individual actions. What you cannot do is use conspiracy theories and regime apologism to justify the oppression of an entire population.

And before anyone starts pretending that this is some sudden position we invented yesterday, no. We have been taking this position for years.

The Iranian regime has a long documented history of repression. During the 2009 post election unrest, Amnesty International documented thousands of arbitrary arrests, deaths on the streets and in detention, torture and other ill treatment. Then came 2017 to 2018 protests, the November 2019 fuel price protests with deaths, mass arrests and executions.

Then came the Woman, Life, Freedom protests following the death of Jina Mahsa Amini in September 2022. UN fact finding mission concluded that her death was unlawful and that state authorities were responsible for the physical violence that caused it. The same mission documented credible figures of up to 551 deaths, including at least 49 women and 68 children, and found unlawful killings, mass arbitrary arrests, torture, sexual violence and other serious abuses.

This subreddit was openly supportive of the Iranian women who were protesting at that time, and that was not some random temporary mood. We documented it ourselves. Dr. Shabir Ally and Dr. Safiyyah Ally publicly condemned the killing of Mahsa Amini's and the Iranian government's enforcement of compulsory hijab, Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl delivered his October 2022 khutbah addressing the brutality of the Iranian state's coercive system, Mufti Abu Layth also addressed the situation in Iran at the time. Our subreddit responded with strong support for the protests.

And The recent crackdown that happened in 2026 produced another enormous death toll, although the exact figure remains unknown because the authorities imposed a massive communications blackout and access to reliable information was severely restricted. The figures reported at the time varied enormously.

Iranian authorities themselves gave figures of roughly 3,000 deaths. Reuters reported an Iranian official saying that at least 5,000 people, including around 500 security personnel, had been confirmed dead. HRANA reported 3,308 confirmed deaths at one stage, with thousands of additional cases under investigation, and later reported 5,002 verified deaths and another 9,787 under review. By 28 January, a UK government country bulletin said estimates from some sources placed the death toll at approximately 12,000 to 20,000, while the same bulletin noted that one human rights organization had 6,221 confirmed deaths and 17,091 additional deaths under investigation. Other investigations, including accounts from Iranian medical personnel, produced estimates exceeding 30,000, while some later reports cited figures as high as 43,000.

We are deliberately laying this out because we are not going to pretend that every number floating around the internet is equally reliable. Claims of 20,000 or 30,000 deaths in an extremely short period require much more verification, and claims of 50,000 deaths are even more problematic; we have not found a credible independent source establishing such a figure. Likewise, nobody should take a highly speculative number from an anonymous or opaque source and present it as settled fact.

But uncertainty over the precise number does not mean that the killings did not happen. Multiple independent human rights organizations documented mass killings, unlawful use of force, arbitrary detention, torture and other abuses. Human Rights Watch has subsequently documented an ongoing campaign of executions against people arrested in connection with the protests, including at least 29 people executed in connection with the December 2025 to January 2026 protests between March and August 2026, with many others still facing execution.

In other words, this subreddit does not need anyone coming here to explain to us that the Iranian regime is somehow innocent because the United States and Israel oppose it. That argument has never worked here, and it never will. We are fully capable of recognizing Western imperialism while simultaneously recognizing Iranian state repression. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

And since some people inevitably need this explained every single time:

Condemning Iranian oppression does NOT mean that we support American or Israeli military actions against Iran. The two positions are perfectly compatible. The war itself has produced documented civilian harm. The UN Human Rights Council received information concerning extensive civilian casualties and destruction resulting from U.S. and Israeli attacks, and the UN backed fact finding mission has now found reasonable grounds to believe that U.S. forces committed war crimes in strikes including the attack on the Minab girls' school and strike affecting residential areas. All of that can be condemned at the same time. We have not seen anyone here recently trying to whitewash American crimes in the way some users have tried to whitewash Iranian crimes, but make no mistake: if someone starts doing it, we will deal with them exactly the same way.


Now we come to the reason we are making this announcement right now.

Over the last couple of days, we have had multiple accounts come into this subreddit making comments claiming that the persecution of Uyghur Muslims in China is nothing more than CIA propaganda, Western propaganda, or some fabricated narrative designed to attack China. Some of these accounts had no prior participation in this subreddit whatsoever, and their first contribution here was effectively to defend or whitewash the Chinese government's treatment of Uyghurs. Others, unfortunately, were people who had participated here before and had a history of otherwise normal contributions.

Let us be very clear about how absurd this is. There is an enormous body of documentation concerning China's treatment of Uyghurs and other predominantly Muslim minorities in Xinjiang. The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights conducted its own assessment, including 40 in depth interviews with people who had direct knowledge of the situation. It concluded that the extent of arbitrary and discriminatory detention of Uyghurs and other predominantly Muslim groups may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity. The UN has also documented concerns relating to arbitrary detention and forced labour. Human Rights Watch continues to document arbitrary detention, torture, mass surveillance, forced labor, family separation and religious and cultural persecution.

So when somebody strolls into a Muslim subreddit and casually tells everyone that the persecution of Uyghur Muslims is just CIA propaganda, or that the Uyghurs actually deserve this, that is not some brave act of anti imperialist skepticism. It is an attempt to erase or dismiss an enormous body of documented evidence and the lived experiences of the people who have been subjected to detention, torture, forced labor, religious repression and family separation.


And frankly, it makes us sick to our stomachs seeing people who are perfectly willing to recognize oppression when it is committed by a Western government suddenly develop an entirely different moral standard when the perpetrator is China, Iran, Russia or their allies.

We have noticed something else that needs to be addressed. Because this community generally has a strong anti imperialist tendency, comments defending the United States, Israel or other Western powers receive far more attention than comments defending non Western oppressive governments. Some comments that should have been reported are instead left unreported, allowed to slide, ignored, or sometimes even upvoted, simply because the commenter happens to be attacking the Imperialists.

Nobody gets permission to justify crimes against humanity because the perpetrator happens to be an enemy of the United States or the West. NOBODY. Your politics do not matter here. Your ideology does not matter here. Your opinion of capitalism or socialism does not matter here. Your opinion of NATO does not matter here. Your opinion of Israel does not matter here. Your opinion of Iran does not matter here. Your opinion of China does not matter here. Your opinion of Russia does not matter here. The victims do not become less human because their oppressor happens to be anti Western.

And this needs to be understood once and for all: WE WILL BAN PEOPLE FOR THIS. WE DO NOT CARE HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN SUBSCRIBED. WE DO NOT CARE HOW MANY POSTS YOU HAVE MADE. WE DO NOT CARE HOW MANY HELPFUL COMMENTS YOU HAVE WRITTEN. WE DO NOT CARE WHETHER YOU ARE HERE EVERY DAY. WE DO NOT CARE WHETHER YOU WERE ONE OF THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE REGULAR CONTRIBUTORS IN THE SUBREDDIT. IF YOU REPEATEDLY START WHITEWASHING, DENYING OR JUSTIFYING SERIOUS ABUSES BY A REGIME OR POLITICAL ACTOR, YOU WILL BE BANNED.

We are not going to sit around having endless arguments with you about whether your propaganda is really propaganda. We are not going to listen to lectures about how we are secretly Western puppets because we condemned China. We are not going to listen to accusations that we are Zionists because we condemned Iran. We are not going to listen to “but what about America?” every freakin time someone is held accountable for what their own government did. Whataboutism is not a magic eraser. The crimes of one government do not cancel out the crimes of another.

This also does not mean that you are forbidden from acknowledging that a particular oppressive government has done something useful. An oppressive government can build highways, hospitals, schools, railways, dams, universities or other infrastructure. A ruler can introduce a policy that produces a positive result in one particular area. You are perfectly free to discuss and praise the specific thing that was done. What you are not free to do is use that one thing as a shield for everything else. “They built hospitals” does not erase torture. “They built highways” does not erase mass detention. “They improved literacy” does not erase forced labor. “They oppose American imperialism” does not erase massacres. One positive policy does not grant a government a lifetime exemption from moral scrutiny.

There is zero tolerance for this kind of propaganda and apologism here. Criticism of governments is allowed. Criticism of political movements is allowed. Criticism of protesters is allowed. Criticism of opposition groups is allowed. Disagreement over historical interpretation is allowed. What is not allowed is denying documented atrocities, deliberately whitewashing them, or trying to justify crimes against humanity because you happen to support the perpetrator politically.

This is not up for debate. We are not negotiating this standard. We are not making exceptions because you are a regular contributor. We are not making exceptions because we agree with your politics on everything else.

Anyone who cannot accept this standard is free to leave the subreddit.

And anyone who thinks this warning does not apply to them because their favorite regime is “supposedly” a “gOoD aNtI iMpErIaLiSt oNe” can consider this warning directed specifically at them.


r/progressive_islam • • Jul 27 '26

Mod Announcement 📢 r/Progressive_Islam ’s official stance on LGBTQ+

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Our official stance is that there should not be bigotry and they should not be punished by death.

-That's it.

“What about sexual intercourse with someone of the same biological sex? What about the gender spectrum?” - r/Progressive_Islam doesn't have any official stance on them, it's upto every individual to look for arguments and evidences from both sides and come to their own conclusion over the permissibility/impermissibility of homosexuality and matters relating to the gender spectrum.

This is not a new announcement. This has always been our stance. You can check what was written in the 5 year old LGBTQ+ discussion thread

r/progressive_islam does not advocate a particular stance on homosexuality’s permissibility. But what is a unanimous position of us is that there should not be bigotry and that they should not be punished by death.

https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive_islam/comments/r615zt/monthly_lgbtq_discussion_thread/

So,

  • Someone writing some violent threats or dehumanising post/comment pointing towards LGBTQ+ people - they will get their content removed and will receive a ban.

  • Someone respectfully saying that they believe sexual intercourse with someone of the same sex to be haram, or that there are only two genders - they are allowed on this subreddit.


The progressive Sunni scholars who are most frequently promoted on this subreddit and have a significant number of followers - Dr. Shabir Ally, Mufti Abu Layth, Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, Dr Adnan Ibrahim - they believe the act of homosexuality (sexual intercourse) to be prohibited in Islam, & at the same time they also believe that there is no capital punishment for the sexual intercourse unlike classical fiqh (at least that's what I could figure out from the contents that had been shared on our subreddit in the past. You can use the search bar to find those old posts on our subreddit).

Scott Siraj al-Haqq Kugle, Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed, Imam Daayiee Abdullah are some of the Muslim thinkers who have argued that intercourse with someone of the same sex is allowed and some of them have officiated gay marriage and users who believe homosexuality is permissible often quote references from their works when discussing homosexuality on our subreddit.

We allow both perspectives to be shared on this subreddit as long as you present them in a respectful way and don't break any subreddit rule. But we do not allow the promotion of the ultra conservative understanding which prescribes capital punishment.

To summarize:

  • You believe gay marriage and the sexual act is permissible? - ok ✅

  • You believe gay marriage and the sexual act is haram? - ok ✅

  • You believe that there is no fixed number of gender? - ok ✅

  • You believe that there are only 2 genders? - ok ✅

  • You believe the other side is wrong? - ok ✅

  • You disagree with the other side? - ok ✅

  • You want to bully, harass, threaten or harm the other side? - not ok ❌

Is that clear?


The reason I'm writing all this is because often times when someone respectfully says that it is not permissible in their view or that they disagree - some others start reporting their comments. But we do not remove such comments, we only remove the posts and comments where the user bullies, harasses or threatens the other person. So hopefully you will stop reporting every post and comment you disagree with, because as long as those contents don't break any subreddit rule they're going to stay.


r/progressive_islam • • 7h ago

Rant/Vent 🤬 Secular law is better than Sharia

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A country run by secular laws is a billion times better than one governed by Sharia. Under secular law

Women have equal legal rights and are not legally subordinate to men.

Non-Muslims enjoy equal citizenship and freedom to practise their religions.

People can change or abandon their religion without facing religiously prescribed punishments.

Freedom of speech includes the right to criticise religions, scriptures and religious leaders.

Blasphemy should not be a criminal offence simply because religious sentiments are hurt.

Consenting adults can choose their partners regardless of religion, without religious restrictions imposed by the state.

Laws are based on human rights and public reasoning, not the unquestionable authority of religious scriptures.

LGBTQ+ people can enjoy equal rights without religious doctrine being used to criminalise their relationships.

No religious authority gets to dictate how everyone must dress, worship, marry or live.

Very few Muslim majority countries are both secular and democratic.

Do you agree?


r/progressive_islam • • 15h ago

Opinion 🤔 The Mother of all evils

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Huda al-Akkad

and her 78-year-old mother, Aisha... They were presumed dead; however, it was revealed that they were still alive after one of the three monsters accompanying them shared this photograph on social media as a "souvenir." How long can an army—or a state (a so-called state; we can never recognize an entity called "Israel" as a state)—possibly survive when it is so terrified of women and the elderly, and when it believes it has achieved a "victory"—which it then broadcasts—by exerting its forces against such vulnerable people?

But the even more painful aspect is this: as they watch their own women being humiliated by the enemy, is there any real difference—aside from their religion (which is itself questionable)—between the leaders of the Islamic world (and those who follow in their wake) and their Zionist enemies? We truly do not know.


r/progressive_islam • • 16h ago

News 📰 Syria restricts women's access to certain university majors

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r/progressive_islam • • 1m ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Quranisim

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Recently, I’ve been going deeper into Islam, trying to understand our religion and its history. For context, I was raised Sunni, but I’ll admit I wasn’t nearly as informed as I should have been, and I still have a lot to learn.
However, the more I’ve researched, the more I’ve found myself leaning towards Quranism. Learning about hadith concerning adult breastfeeding, Mut’ah, marriage with the intention of divorce, and the disagreements surrounding these narrations has made me question how much religious authority we should give to reports compiled generations after the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ.
I’ve also been speaking with both Sunnis and Shias, listening to their arguments and trying to understand why they hold such different beliefs despite following the same Quran and Prophet. Even scholars within the same sect disagree on certain authentic narrations.
If Allah revealed the Quran as guidance for humanity, why are we so divided over narrations transmitted by human beings?
I’m not claiming all hadith are fabricated or that I know more than scholars. I’m simply questioning whether the Quran alone should be our source of religious authority. I’m still learning and open to having my views challenged. Ultimately, I just want to follow what Allah commanded, rather than blindly following what I inherited or was taught.


r/progressive_islam • • 21m ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Relationship status after conversion?

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I’m interested in understanding this issue from a progressive Islamic perspective, particularly through Quranic interpretations rather than relying solely on traditional rulings.

Suppose two people marry as Muslims, but later one spouse loses their faith, becomes an atheist, or no longer identifies as Muslim, while the other spouse remains Muslim. They still love each other and want to continue their marriage.

  1. According to the Quran, does one spouse leaving Islam automatically invalidate or dissolve the marriage?

  2. If they continue living together as a married couple and remain physically intimate, would that intimacy be considered zina?

  3. Which Quranic verses are most relevant to this question, and how do traditional and progressive scholars interpret them differently?

  4. Assumption is that the conversion is to non-Abrahimic faith.

I’m asking to understand the different interpretations of this issue, not to argue for a particular conclusion.


r/progressive_islam • • 16h ago

Opinion 🤔 Came across a beautiful observation, thought of sharing it here

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I was listening to Surah Takwir and the first 14 Ayahs present the readers with an imagery of what the day of judgment will be like. Allah says:

1. When the sun is wrapped up [in darkness]
2. And when the stars fall, dispersing,
3. And when the mountains are blown away,
4. And when full-term pregnant camels are neglected,
5. And when the wild beasts are gathered,
6. And when the seas are filled with flame,
7. And when the souls are paired,
8. And when the girl-child buried alive is asked
9. For what sin she was killed,
10. And when the pages [of deeds] are laid open,
11. And when the sky is stripped away,
12. And when Hellfire is set ablaze,
13. And when Paradise is brought near,
14. A soul will [then] know what it has brought [with it]. [1, 2, 3]

Among all these scary details, I found it so beautiful that Allah mentions female infanticide.

Kathir records Ibn Abbas saying that the phrase can mean "she will ask" (demanding restitution) rather than just "she will be asked" (answering a query).

In either situation, imagine a young soul like that asking the perfect judge for her justice. Imagine the man who buried his daughter see Allah asking that innocent soul about what her fault was. Imagine the intense fear in that man.

The fact that Allah mentions this with other details which are so scary is so powerful wallah.

And its so beautiful.

May Allah grant us with his shade on the day of judgement.


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Opinion 🤔 My universal prayer quadrant and qibla finder, first prototypes are finally complete.

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Some time ago I shared here with you a design concept for an adaptation of a classical "quadrans vetus" to show both muslim and christian prayer times.

A "quadrans vetus" is an old type of astronomical quadrant, which was known mainly in Europe, Which allowed to find local time in unequal hours (i.e. finding the time as a fraction in twelfths for the remaining part of daylight)..

But don't let be fooled! This tool is surprisingly accurate for its age.

How to find qibla:

The back of the instrument includes a compass and a retro-azimuthal projection, allowing you to find qibla direction everywhere in the world.

- To operate it, you have to allign the compass with the cardinal directions engraved on the back of the instrument: South towards the "point" of the quadrant and North towards the bottom of the quadrant of you are located in the same emisphere as Mecca, and vice-versa if you are located in the opposite emisphere.

- Once alligned the instrument, you wrap the thread around the central pivot corresponding to Macca, and make it pass through your location on the map.

- Qibla will be indicated by the lead weightlet, as it is demonstrated in the fourth picture above for Southern France - Northern Italy. Yielding a rough direction of South-East

How to find classical christian prayer times:

The quadrant allows you to find time in unequal hours, an ancient system of timekeeping, where the section of daylight is always divided into 12 equal sections. This means that summer hours are longer and winter hours are shorter.

- These hours are used in christian monasteries to establish prayer times, respectively at the first, third, sixth, nineth, sunset (12th) and a set soon before bed and soon before dawn.

- To find the unequal time, you have to move the sliding month indicator (representing sun's latitude) so that the central part (indicated by two white marker at the aequinoxes) lines up with your latitude, which is indicated in the inner scale in arabic numerals.

- Once set up the instrument, you move the plumb line to your current date and slide the knot so that it intersects the 6th unequal hour line.

- Now, by measuring the height of the sun, you can see where the red knot lies in the various sections of the unequal hours scale, thus determining what prayer you should do.

- For more northern latitudes, a second set of lines is provided, this is why there are two sets of unequal hour scales.

Muslims' prayer times can also be determined:

Zuhr / Jummah - soon after midday, it corresponds to the 6th unequal hour line, if you have just entered the seventh unequal hour, Zuhr time has started, and it lasts until 'Asr time. Be sure to check that the sun is actually declining, and not rising!

'Asr - For 'Asr there are two prayer lines, most madhabs put 'asr start time when the lenght of a gnomon's shadow is equal to gnomon's shadow at middat + the gnomon's lenghts (the first dotted line) and put 'asr end time when the shadow of a gnomon is its midday shadow + two times the gnomon's height (the second dotted line)

while Hanafi school sets its begin at the end of other Madhabs time and its end at sunset, when Maghrib time begins. I have indicated both lines in the quadrant

There is not an easy way to establish Maghrib and Fajr, other than saying "one is during twilight and the other is at dusk". In the qur'an (I recall) it is specified to establish your morning prayer when you can distinguish the white thread from the black one, this is not to be taken literally, However that is the reason for the black and white windrose in the shadow-square.

When you can't distinguish the colours of the windrose, that's 'Isha time.

'Isha - you culd say that when you can't distinguish the windrose in the shadow square, then it is 'Isha time, but this is not a practical way for many reasons, this is why on the back of the instrument I have provided a set of "complementary stars": By observing a star directly opposing the sun on the celestial sphere (it can be found on the back of the tool) we can even determine night prayers. According to most scholars, 'isha time starts when the sun goes below -18° of altitude, id est when the complementary stars rises above 18 degrees of altitude.

Fajr' and Maghrib - when such stars go below 18° (or 16° or 14° according to some) it is 'Fajr if the star is going down and Maghrib id the star is rising up

Others functions:

- the shadow square can be used to calculate distances.


r/progressive_islam • • 2h ago

Mod Announcement 📢 🔒 The Time for Weekend Only Posts Has Ended! 🔒

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Sunday has now ended in both of our two reference time zones, which means the weekend posting period has officially ended.

Posts with the following weekend only flairs can no longer be submitted until next Saturday (in at least one of our two reference time zones):

  • Fun@Weekends

  • Social Media Screenshot/Video clip

  • Culture/Art


A reminder about Rule 7

Memes, Funny images, funny videos, ❝screenshots & video clips complaining about some specific person & subreddits❞ are only allowed on Saturdays & Sundays.

If you are posting screenshots of other subreddits, make sure to obscure the usernames, subreddit names & every single identifying feature. However if it's a screenshot of other social media platform then obscuring is not necessary.

Screenshots containing valuable information & important contemporary events are exempt from this rule.


So until then, please wait before submitting posts that fall under our weekend only categories.

See you next weekend! 👋🏻👋🏼👋🏽👋🏾👋🏿


r/progressive_islam • • 7h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Seeking a partner

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Selamun aleykum,

I am 32 years old male. Living in The Netherlands. I am a Quran Alone Muslim. I have a fulltime job. I like working out and go for a walk. I also study Quran and I practice the religion as much as possible.

If you want ask me more questions and are interested, feel free to DM me.

Selam.


r/progressive_islam • • 6h ago

Advice/Help 🥺 What digital tool do you wish existed?

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Assalamu alaikum everyone,

I’m thinking of making an app but I don’t know what to build yet What’s something annoying you deal with all the time that you wish there was an app for? Doesn’t have to be a big thing.

Jazakum Allahu khairan


r/progressive_islam • • 15h ago

Advice/Help 🥺 I'm a Hindu exploring Islam, and I'm looking for people who can help me understand it beyond the surface.

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I'm an avid reader with a deep interest in religion, philosophy, and the pursuit of truth. I've always believed that understanding a religion requires more than hearing opinions about it; you have to explore its scriptures, philosophy, history, and intellectual traditions for yourself.

I'm Hindu, and I've recently decided to make Islam my next serious subject of study. I'm particularly interested in the Quran, Islamic philosophy, the relationship between faith and reason, and how Islam engages with modernity, science, and contemporary intellectual thought.

I'm looking for people who can help me navigate this journey.

Where should I begin, and which books should I read first?

Which Muslim philosophers and intellectuals are worth exploring?

How does Islam approach difficult philosophical questions?

Are there any knowledgeable people here willing to discuss ideas, recommend resources, and perhaps become friends along the way?

I'm not here to debate, provoke, or prove anyone wrong. I'm here because I'm genuinely curious and want to learn with an open mind.

If you're Muslim, have studied Islam deeply, or are simply someone who loves exploring religion and philosophy, I'd love to connect with you.

Perhaps a conversation with a stranger could become the beginning of a wonderful intellectual friendship.

I'm ready to learn. Where should I start?


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Question/Discussion ❔ How to communicate this😭 NSFW

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Okay so, I'm not getting married any time soon but I just thought of this.

It's probably a south Asian-Muslim problem I guess? I'm not sure.

But the thing is, how am I supposed to communicate regarding my sexual expectations to a potential spouse if we're supposed to have a third person/mahram during courting? Mostly kinks and stuff of the sort.

I just think it's awkward and uncomfortable asf to have a third person while talking about it. Especially if it's a parent lmao.

South Asians (mostly people I'm surrounded by) don't even discuss matters regarding sexual health let alone sexual expectations/compatibility before getting engaged. Heck, people around even now do not meet each other before the nikah! (arranged marriage)

Idk how to communicate this. Since sexual compatibility is important to me personally imo.


r/progressive_islam • • 15h ago

Advice/Help 🥺 Seeking sincere Islamic advice: Marriage, family opposition, the wali, and accepting a relationship's end

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TL;DR: I'm a Sunni Muslim man from India, who wanted to marry a Sunni Muslim woman from Kashmir. Our relationship came under family pressure in June after her sister-in-law discovered it. It is now October. She believes her conservative family will never accept her choice, says she cannot face the consequences of challenging them, and has repeatedly told me to move on. I initially gave her time, hoping things might improve, but our communication has dwindled to nothing. I want to understand the Islamic principles surrounding consent, the wali, and unjust obstruction of marriage, as well as what legitimate options exist when a woman genuinely wants to marry but fears family retaliation. I also need honest advice about respecting her decision and moving forward.

Assalamu alaikum.

I'm looking for sincere, informed advice from Muslims who understand Islamic marriage principles and, ideally, have experience with family opposition to marriage. I'm not looking for people to tell me simply to follow my heart, nor do I want to be encouraged to ignore someone's wishes in the name of fighting for love.

I want to understand what Islam actually teaches, what options may legitimately exist, and what I should do when the person I love no longer believes a future together is possible.

1. What happened

I'm an adult Sunni Muslim man from India. I fell in love with an adult Sunni Muslim woman from Kashmir. We were involved for a few months, discussed marriage, and developed strong feelings for each other. My intention was to marry her properly and build a life together, not maintain a secret relationship indefinitely.

In June, her sister-in-law discovered our relationship, and the family pressure that followed became increasingly difficult for her. It is now October, and the situation has not improved.

She has repeatedly told me that her family is extremely conservative and rigid and that there is nobody within the family who would reasonably support her choosing her own partner. She believes that approaching another relative to mediate would not help.

She has also witnessed a cousin being beaten and mistreated by family after a relationship came to light. The man involved was reportedly financially established and Kashmiri himself. This seems to have reinforced her belief that even a seemingly suitable partner may not protect a woman from family opposition.

She believes she cannot fight her family, does not have the emotional strength to endure the consequences, and cannot see a realistic way forward. She is not financially independent either.

I cannot know everything she feels, but I have tried to take her fears seriously rather than dismiss them as excuses.

2. Where things stand now

When this first happened in June, I tried giving her time. I hoped the immediate pressure might ease and that we might eventually be able to discuss a future calmly.

But four months have passed, and our communication has dwindled to almost nothing. She does not talk to me on calls. At times, I have tried reopening conversations through emotional text messages because I struggled to accept that there might be no way forward.

I also sent her a voice note explaining my feelings and my hope that we might find a legitimate solution. She declined to engage.

She has explicitly told me to move on, stop discussing the relationship, and leave her alone.

I have written many other messages and possible solutions privately, but those drafts have not been sent.

I still struggle with the thought that her circumstances may have made her feel that there is no choice available to her. I wonder whether there are options neither of us has properly considered. But I also understand that I cannot assume she secretly wants to continue the relationship or that my intentions give me the right to keep contacting her.

I want to distinguish between the general Islamic question of what options a woman may have when facing family obstruction and the very different question of what I should do when this particular woman has told me to stop.

3. The Islamic questions I am struggling with

A. Consent and the wali

  1. What are the established Sunni scholarly positions on an adult woman's consent and the role of the wali in marriage?
  2. How do the different Sunni madhhabs approach a situation in which an adult woman genuinely wants to marry a particular man but her wali or family refuses?
  3. What distinguishes legitimate parental concerns about a prospective spouse from unjust obstruction of a marriage?

I would appreciate references to reputable scholars or recognised sources, rather than isolated quotations or oversimplified claims that Islam either gives parents complete control or makes family involvement irrelevant.

B. If the family unjustly obstructs a marriage

  1. If a woman genuinely wants to marry someone and her wali unjustly prevents it, what legitimate processes exist within Sunni Islamic jurisprudence?
  2. Can a qualified scholar, recognised religious authority, qadi where applicable, or another appropriate body help assess such a situation? How does this vary by madhhab and the legal system in the country concerned?
  3. If there is no reasonable family member who can mediate, what alternatives are recognised by qualified scholars?

I am not asking for a shortcut to bypass Islamic requirements. I want to understand the correct process and the limits of what is permissible.

C. Family pressure and possible harm

  1. If a woman fears threats, violence, confinement, or retaliation for choosing her spouse, how should that risk affect the advice given to her?
  2. What should someone do if family opposition goes beyond disapproval and becomes coercion? How can religious guidance be combined with appropriate legal and safety support?

I understand that an answer about what may be permissible in principle is not automatically a recommendation for someone to leave home or marry independently. Safety, genuine consent, applicable law, and the circumstances would all matter.

4. The practical and emotional questions

I was willing to learn her language and culture, relocate if necessary, and approach her family respectfully if she wanted me to and it was safe. I wanted to make a sincere effort towards a halal marriage.

I have also considered whether an independent marriage could ever be possible in a situation involving unjust family obstruction. But I do not want to romanticise elopement, underestimate the risks, or make a decision on her behalf.

My questions now are:

  • Given that she has repeatedly told me to move on, should I leave all further contact entirely to her?
  • How do I accept the possibility that the relationship is over without dismissing the family pressures she has described?
  • For Muslims who have experienced family opposition to marriage, what actually helped, and what made matters worse?
  • How should someone reconcile sincere feelings for another person with the fact that the other person is unwilling or unable to pursue the relationship?

I fear that her family may eventually arrange a marriage for her, or that she may feel compelled to accept one. I do not know whether this is actually being planned; it is a fear, not a confirmed fact.

Part of me worries that stepping back means losing a future we might have had if there were a safe and legitimate way forward. But I also recognise that my urgency cannot determine her choices, and I cannot make her take risks she does not want to take.

5. What I am hoping to get from this community

I would be grateful for advice that distinguishes between:

  • Established Islamic rulings and personal interpretations.
  • The general principles of consent and the wali, and their application to a particular case.
  • Legitimate religious processes and unsafe or legally problematic shortcuts.
  • Family pressure that may be addressed through mediation and situations where safety must come first.
  • The question of whether a marriage can be pursued in principle and the separate question of whether this particular relationship can continue.

If you have faced something similar, I would especially appreciate hearing what happened in practice, including the difficulties and consequences that may not be obvious from the outside.

I want to understand the Islamic principles properly and make responsible decisions about my own life.

I love her, and letting go has been difficult. I initially believed that giving her time might help, but four months have passed without a way forward. I genuinely do not know how to reconcile my feelings, my hopes for a halal marriage, and the reality that she has asked me to move on.

Please be honest, even if the answer is difficult to hear. If there is no viable path forward unless she independently and freely wants to pursue one, I need to accept that. I want to act in a way that is faithful to Islam, respectful of her autonomy, and responsible towards both of us.

Jazakum Allahu khayran for taking the time to read this.


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Social Media Screenshot/Video clip 📱[Saturdays & Sundays only] Irl there has been many friendly discussions between exmuslims & progressive Muslims. But on Reddit it's the complete opposite for some reason! I wish the extreme hostility between exmuslims & progressive Muslim didn’t exist on Reddit

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r/progressive_islam • • 19h ago

Article/Paper 📃 Environmental aspect of Islam

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What are your opinions on this subject? Do you personally try to live by this? What about other muslims you know?


r/progressive_islam • • 23h ago

Opinion 🤔 Disagreements Among Progressive Muslims — Part 4: Commandment of Verse 33:59 (Jilbab verse) | Where do you stand?

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I plan to make a series of posts on topics where progressive Muslim scholars disagree with one another. For this part, I want to discuss the interpretation of Surah Al-Ahzab, verse 59, commonly known as the jilbab verse, and whether its commandment requires all Muslim women today to wear a headscarf or a particular outer garment.

I looked into the explanations of Khaled Abou El Fadl, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, Muhammad Asad and Shabir Ally. Although all four challenge the conventional argument that this verse establishes a mandatory headscarf, they do not all reach that conclusion in the same way. Here is what I understood from their explanations (also it is entirely possible that I may have misunderstood or misrepresented someone's position, so if I have, please feel free to correct me):


Khaled Abou El Fadl, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi & Muhammad Asad

Khaled Abou El Fadl argues that Qur’an 33:59 addressed the specific circumstances of women being harassed in Medina and should not be treated as a universal commandment requiring all Muslim women today to wear a jilbab. He connects the verse to 33:60, which warns troublemakers in Medina that they would be expelled if they continued their behaviour. He challenges the traditional explanation that free women had to distinguish themselves from enslaved women to avoid harassment, arguing that this historical context does not justify imposing the jilbab as a universal religious requirement today. His broader position is that the Quran does not mandate the specific, uniform form of hijab that many Muslims consider obligatory today.

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Javed Ahmed Ghamidi explicitly considers the jilbab instruction a temporary measure addressing the particular circumstances of harassment in Medina, rather than a permanent commandment applicable to every Muslim woman in every period. He connects verse 33:59 with verses 33:58 and 33:60: verse 58 condemns the harassment of believing men and women, verse 59 gives the instruction concerning outer garments, and verse 60 warns the troublemakers of consequences if they continue their behaviour. In his interpretation, the jilbab instruction was intended to protect women in those circumstances, not to establish a universal requirement for women today to wear a headscarf or a particular outer garment. Women facing comparable circumstances today could adopt a similar protective measure.

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Muhammad Asad also considers the instruction in verse 33:59 to be time-bound rather than a timeless legal injunction applicable to all Muslim women in every age. In his commentary, he describes it as a moral guideline whose practical application depends on changing social circumstances. Therefore, he does not understand the verse as establishing a universally binding dress requirement for all Muslim women today. His argument is explicitly about the historical and social limitations of the instruction, rather than simply proposing a different way of wearing the jilbab.

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Shabir Ally

Unlike Dr Khaled Abou El Fadl, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and Muhammad Asad, Shabir Ally does not seem to believe that verse 33:59 was a temporary commandment applicable only to the historical circumstances of Medina. His argument is different: he questions what the verse actually commands, rather than arguing that its commandment expired or was limited to that particular period.

Shabir Ally says that he finds the classical explanation of this verse unconvincing. Instead he interprets the instruction to draw the jilbab over oneself as consistent with the instruction in Surah An-Nur, verse 31, to cover the exposed bosom. He argues that the Arabic wording does not clearly require the garment to be drawn over the head or face.

So He does not seem to believe that the commandment was restricted to a particular period, but at the same time he does not consider verse 33:59 as proof of covering the hair or face to be mandatory.

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In short, Khaled Abou El Fadl, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and Muhammad Asad argue that the specific jilbab instruction was tied to its historical circumstances, whereas Shabir Ally seems to believe that the commandment of this verse is still applicable, but the verse does not command women to cover their hair or faces.


The Subreddit Wiki article on hijab seems to have adopted the position of Khaled Abou El Fadl, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and Muhammad Asad on the Jilbab verse.

Where do you stand? (My personal opinion is in the comment)

Link to part 3: https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive_islam/comments/1wztws0/disagreements_among_progressive_muslims_part_3/


r/progressive_islam • • 17h ago

History Satan in Sufism

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r/progressive_islam • • 18h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Could we have a version of the world perfected for us in Jannah?

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Assalamu aleikum. I am a daydreamer. A few years ago, there was a girl I had a crush on; I would often imagine scenarios where I was her hero—rescuing her from difficult situations—and she, in turn, loved me. In jannah—in an alternative, perfected version of this world—I would like to be the hero to an alternative version of the girl I once loved. Could this ever happen? I would appreciate it if you could reply.


r/progressive_islam • • 20h ago

Article/Paper 📃 The first thing I learned as a Muslim was not to like Muslims.

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‎The first lesson I learned as a Muslim was not to like Muslims.

‎I wrote about Black identity, manhood, belonging, and what it means to conserve something worth passing down.

‎I start after the second ﷽

So much is new in my life and I need to find somewhere to share my perspective. So maybe my voice resonates with, maybe if it’ll resonate with someone you know.


r/progressive_islam • • 17h ago

Advice/Help 🥺 Considering converting, but can I take the Hijab Off In Front of My Fiance?

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For context, I (24F) currently have a big interest in Islam, am considering converting, and my fiance (24M) is aware of this. He is very supportive and has shown interest in the religion as well. We have been together for a little over 3 years so he has obviously seen me without one and I still have not gathered up the courage to wear one in public. The thing is we already live together in a house we bought together and I only live with him and our cats. Is it still okay if when I try to start wearing the hijab that I can still take it off in front of him when we're at home? Should I wait to convert until we're already married? I appreciate any genuine advice ❤️


r/progressive_islam • • 20h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ what is "progressive islam"?

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doesn't this phrase make a notion that islam was ancient? but isn't islam for all times? how can islam be both for all times and complete yet "progressive islam" exist? the two are a contradiction, so can someone explain?


r/progressive_islam • • 1d ago

Fun@Weekends | [Saturdays & Sundays Only] Why do ❝Some❞ exmuslims hate Progressive Muslims so much? What's the reason behind such burning rage? We oppose the punishment of apostasy & support their rights, but they hate us more than the radical extremists (who want to kìll them btw)!

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Of course ❝Not All❞ exmuslims are like this. There are many friendly exmuslims whom I've talked to.

But nowadays there are many angry exmuslims too on social media who hate us way more than the radical extremists, and want radical extremist understanding to become the mainstream understanding of Islam (that want to kíll them for apostasy). Like, make it make sense.

Here are some screenshots in This Comment, as evidence.

I only included the main text and removed their usernames and the forum/group name as per rule 6 and 7.


r/progressive_islam • • 21h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Islamic view on cruelty

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I believe Allah will condemns tyrants and evildoers in here and afterlife, but I am struggling to understand from the view points of the victims especially for non-muslim.

There are many Al-Quran verses and hadiths about suffering or calamities that befall those who submit to Allah will be rewarded for their patience by Him. But there are also many sufferings that befalls victims in any religions like genocides, concentration camps, modern day slavery, etc. that happens without their control. Will all the sufferings they endured in this life can help them in hereafter?