This is a thought I have had for a while which I am sure isnt remotely unique, but I think is important to rectify certain issues with the spiritual perspective.

This is not to say that I want to meddle with spiritual matters through an arbitrarily material lens, but as mundane social conceptualisation of gendered matters evolves, it can create issues if the spiritual framework doesnt keep pace. I also find it ironic that this is an idea which dates back to Nietzsche, given that I dont resonsate with his ultimate philosophical conclusions yet like this so much. I just think there is value to be found here particularly.

Ulimately the basic archetypical tendencies which are expressed through the "divine feminine" and "divine masculine" are legitimate, true and deeply human. It's a solid dichotomy which expresses something real, which is why the ideas are so persistent. This is to particularly say that the ideas *associated* with the divine masculine/feminine carry a sense of reality and resonance. However, their gendering is just unnecessary. For one thing, it is inadequate for applying the idea in line with our cultural context. A recognisably feminine person may particularly embody the divine masculine, and vice versa, because ultimately these are ideals which *do not meaningfully line up with gender*. This tends towards needless confusion and often poor philosophical conclusions

By contrast, the Dionysian/Appolonyan divide has no such issue. In this context, the archetype of Dionysus fully embodies the meaningful memes of the "divine feminine", and apollo the "divine masculine". Both embody the appropriate lunar/solar associations and the requisite qualities, and while both are traditionally male they are also notably gender non-conforming, illustrating that the ideals they embody apply to everyone.

Not that I think the occult should be woke on principle, that would be painfully temporal and fickle. But even beyond trying to neuter the tendency of ideas such as the divine masculine/feminine to reinforce regressive political pipelines I truly think that this is a more apt and illustrative way of packaging these important concepts. Frankly, for somebody whos understanding of masculinity or femininity differs strongly from the mean 100 years past, which is many; calling something "the divine feminine" or vice versa can cause interperative problems which create unnecessary friction between occult ideas and cultural ideas.

Also, I just like the reference to Dionysus and Apollo. I enjoy how their similarities and differences cause them to fit together so well, I enjoy how their colour associations are inverse from eachother, I enioy that they both have properties of the androgyne. I enjoy that they share providence over theatre and the arts, and I enjoy their divine embodiments. They make for a good polarised dichotomy which I strongly feel gender should not be. I wonder if anyone else feels simililarly to me in this regard.

Hello,

I have been taking courses regarding femininity and femme fetal in terms of energy work.

My coach is also an alchemist and occultist.. said ( this was in a group setting) that we have some level of curse or magic was done to us to block our feminine energy flow … this translated to medical issues or hormones..

She offered a course and requested the following:

- 100 grams of cinnamon powder.
-roses.
-pink salt
-an eyelash from each eye
- three tears from each eye
-rain water after a rainy night from the ground or river water or have an animal drink some water and take the rest..

-white feathers from a bird.
-wear white , have hair down.
-no jewelry.
- not during a period or pregnancy.

What type of ritual is this ? She doesn’t share and so secretive sometimes.. I feel there is something not being shared ..

to me, personally understand, the two planes are a reflection of the other, but if the chaotic currents of the astral had via libra to our world, probably most people would lose their sanity, astral entities would be predating on earth I guess(?) even the material world may begin to lose rationality gradually