r/jawsurgery • • 37m ago

Advice for Others Please vote in this poll

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If you've had orthognathic surgery, please vote and briefly explain why you're satisfied or dissatisfied in the comments. If possible, mention how long ago you had surgery.

Lately, I’ve been reading a lot of posts from patients reporting negative experiences and dissatisfaction after their surgery. I’d like to conduct a brief survey to get an overall statistical picture of this group’s experiences with orthognathic (maxillofacial) surgery.

Could you share whether you were satisfied or dissatisfied with your results and, in either case, briefly explain why?

This would help compile some numerical data on patient satisfaction and outcomes within this group.

Thanks for your time!

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No, I’m dissatisfied
Yes, I’m satisfied
I have mixed feelings

r/jawsurgery • • 43m ago

Advice for Others First day with new jaw, got my peen sucked.

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To be clear, today was my first day attempting online dating since my jaw surgery to correct my underbite. Let’s just say, after five weeks of recovering from the surgery, I was ready to see what the bitches thought of my new jaw, courtesy of Dr. Alfi. I got so many matches, I would have never considered myself to be a “chad” but hey, the tinder matches speak for themselves, i’m a whole new man, without question a high tier normie at the VERY least. Anyway, i met up with this bangin blonde chick, i don’t even remember her name, I think it was like “Bella” or something but who gives af. Blondie was slurping on this cock within the first hour of meeting. Moral of the story, if you’re sub 5, get over your fears of having jaw surgery, man tf up. This shiet boutta change your lives. Well good luck to all, I got more bitches to meet and take advantage of, as they say, Chad does but Chad wants. Peace tf out.

Ps. I highly suggest you all upvote this as much as possible, I believe it is only beneficial for my story to be seen by as many people on this sub as possible. Thank me later


r/jawsurgery • • 1h ago

6 weeks post op

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Whew what a 6 weeks it’s been! I was released to finally eat soft food and when I tell y’all I feel weird AF chewing. Today was only day one. And it was rough. Took me about an hour to eat a small cheeseburger lol. The swelling is starting to go down more. I’m still struggling with my smile and my face has changed so much. Hopefully I adjust more. My teeth are more sore now so I assume that means I’m getting feeling back …. This is one hell of a ride


r/jawsurgery • • 1h ago

Before & After Still utterly satisfied and happy with my outcome <3

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Now 7 months post surgery! Finally got my hands on the professional photos, it's crazy how much happier and healthier I look (and feel) now.

Looking back at my healing journey, as scary and incredibly painful as it was physically and mentally, I feel I got incredibly lucky with how smooth everything went overall; especially regarding the swelling. I would do it all again in a heartbeat, definitely one of the best decisions I made for myself in the past few years (but let's hope I won't have to lol).

Good luck to everyone going through it right now, I truly hope surgery and healing goes well for you!!


r/jawsurgery • • 1h ago

Advice for Me how did you find a surgeon and what things did you look for when deciding?

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I recently posted myself on here looking for advice on whether I should get a second opinion. I came to the consensus that I should find another surgeon to look at me and determine what type of surgery I would need. I’m struggling finding a good surgeon to take a look at me if anyone has struggled finding a surgeon. What did you do to find one and what specifically were you looking for? I live in Florida, but it seems like many skilled doctors here in the US live either on the West Coast or in the northeast. For my first consult, does it matter what surgeon I go to?


r/jawsurgery • • 1h ago

Advice for Me Do you think that insurance will cover my surgery?

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I have sleep apnea occurring 5 times per hour. I have Cigna ppo. I am a noticeably recessed but not as bad as some people. My bite is normal. Please let me know what you think.


r/jawsurgery • • 2h ago

Me arruinaron la vida

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r/jawsurgery • • 2h ago

How bad is it?

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r/jawsurgery • • 2h ago

Has anyone’s who’s been botched by the psychopath Alfaro has struggled with such severe dysmorphia that left you completely suicidal?

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I just had my third surgery attempting to look better after Alfaro distorted my face without my consent and with deceiving lies. I am absolutely devastated to learn that the damage is way too complicated to fix. I am so drained and exhausted, I just cry all day. To think that I had a beautifully symmetrical face before. I just had dental agenesis, that gave me the appearance of having a mild class II, not a receding chin. He, of course, lied and said it could not be fixed otherwise which is utterly false.

I am having a rough time. I feel like all the anger and frustration of these whole process is unraveling now in the worst way possible.


r/jawsurgery • • 3h ago

Bruxism tmd

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r/jawsurgery • • 3h ago

What can you assess from these scans of mine? How is my maxilla mandible projection? Any recession?

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r/jawsurgery • • 3h ago

Physio for Jaw Surgeon in Greater DC/MD/VA area

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Would love suggestions for post surgery jaw physical therapists. I would love someone that can help with red light therapy, massages, exercises, etc.


r/jawsurgery • • 3h ago

How bad is my jaw recession? Do you think I need jaw surgery?

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Hey everyone,

I recently got this lateral cephalometric X-ray, and I'd like to get some opinions on my jaw structure.

How bad does my jaw recession look? Does my lower jaw seem significantly recessed, or is it within the normal range?

Based on this X-ray, do you think I could be a candidate for jaw surgery (DJS or LJS), or would surgery be unnecessary? Thanks


r/jawsurgery • • 4h ago

Is it weird that I might miss my old smile?

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Hey everyone!

I'm getting jaw surgery in about 2 years. First I'll have braces, and then surgery. I've been dealing with facial tension, migraines, tinnitus, and a jaw that sometimes gets stuck open when I yawn.

I'm so happy I'm finally getting surgery after almost 25 years, but I have mixed feelings.

I've never liked my smile. I've been bullied, gotten hurtful comments, and even been ghosted or stood up by dates because of my looks.

But I've also gotten sweet compliments and met people who genuinely like me for who I am, not how I look. And somehow I'm scared that might change after surgery.

Even though I don't like my smile, it's still a part of me. It's the face I've had my whole life.

So I'm wondering, does anyone who looks very different after surgery sometimes miss their old face or smile? Even if you didn't like it before?


r/jawsurgery • • 4h ago

Advice for Me Advice for my jaw?

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I had head gear from an orthodontist when I was in grade 3 to correct a cross-bite and under-bite. I don’t know if my jaw settled right or looks normal?

I’m also about to start testosterone and want to look more masculine or androgynous, so worried my chin is too soft and maybe my jawline could be improved through different methods? Not looking for looksmaxxing, just thoughts if anyone has suggestions..


r/jawsurgery • • 4h ago

Revision surgery advice

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I have had lower jaw surgery and a genioplasty for my class 2 bite. I am 7 months post jaw surgery and always felt things were off.

I noticed I now have a cross bite when relaxed and my posterior teeth do not touch at all on the right side.

I am tired all the time my jaw clicks and is uncomfortable breathing is quite difficult sometimes. I find myself more out of breath than before surgery.

I went to a separate orthodontist who confirmed this, that my orthodontist did not decompensate me properly and the jaw was fused in the wrong spot.
They said I was diagnosed incorrectly and double jaw would be recommended.

I am knackered after 7 years of braces and I would now need to get my braces on for another 10 months.

I have posted this as an outlet but also to seek support from those who have had revision surgery as I am nervous about doing it again.

Can anyone relate


r/jawsurgery • • 4h ago

5 Weeks Post op

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Lefort 1 (~4mm), combined BSSO, sectional genioplasty, and genioglossus advancement (~18mm) and partial turbinectomy.

I had my five week follow up yesterday. There was good and bad news.

I have been cleared to blow my nose, use a straw, and use heat and light massage on my face and swollen areas. I was also cleared for a "two chew" diet: I can eat anything that I can gently chew twice and swallow. I thought I would only be approved for things like scrambled eggs, but they want me to begin reconditioning my jaw. I can eat tender meats, fish, buttered toast, cooked veg, biscuits (the flaky US kind, not crunchy cookies as in the UK), shredded salads, and sandwiches with chopped fillings. The advice is to make sure all foods have some moisture and are cut small. It's a bit easier said than done, but I did get down a slice of French toast (pain perdu) with maple syrup and butter yesterday. I was also advised to do daily stretching to work on my opening which is currently just over 1 finger. If all goes well, in a few weeks I will go to a "three chew" diet.

My surgeon pointed out that by 5 weeks the noticeable pockets of swelling are usually resolved, but given my "very large movements" it's not surprising that I still have significant pockets on either side of my nose, along my jawline and under it, and in my submandibular lymph nodes. The RN also mentioned my large movements and commented "we really did a number on you, so you are doing great for this stage!". They were very positive about my progress, but before my surgery I'm not sure I was given the context that my procedures were unusually significant compared to the average patient. I also learned my lower lip and chin may take months to improve (I cannot feel either and my lower lip feels huge) and due to my age, may not fully resolve. I kind of knew this, but it's sinking in now. I have a lot of lip tingling so I hope that's promising. They did point out again how unusual it is that I had tingling and sharp nerve pain just a few days post op.

They took out the 8 temporary screws, which feels great. The process was easier than expected: they just sprayed a dab of light freezing on each one then removed them with a manual screwdriver. The back one on the right was a bit difficult because I've had issues with nerve pain there all along, but overall the process was quick and painless and I'm happy to be done with the elastics. I still have to wear my aligners most of the time.

I had one small area where my incision had not closed properly so they put in two stitches. That required some light dental freezing, but again it was no big deal. There was very mild soreness where the screws came out but it resolved overnight.

My right lymph node is still hard but much smaller since I was on the antibiotics and the bruising has resolved, so thankfully they didn't feel I need any more antibiotics. My two weeks on metronidazole was a nightmare of constant nausea and food aversion so I'm really happy about that. However, that node is in the area where the wound did not heal properly and he's decided that the plate in that area should come out at about six months. I have a three month follow up to reevaluate. I have a decision to make: since he has to put me under to take out one of the titanium pieces, do I want them all out?

The two weeks on antibiotics were honestly worse than my first two weeks post op because my disgust with food has been profound. I could not even think about my favourite meal without feeling revolted. I have been off them for 1.5 days now and am taking lots of probiotics. I hope that resolves soon!

My philtrum is still very puffed out. The scar tissue under there feels very thick and I'm advised it will soften and smooth out over about six months. My midface overall is quite puffy to the touch. My nose looks a bit crooked right now but that is changing often as the swelling shifts. Using heat seems to be helping. If my nose ends up a bit wide he said he can cinch it a bit when I get the bit of hardware out.

My stitches mostly came out this week. It started with spitting out what looked like bits of black lint when I rinsed my mouth. Yesterday I decided to lightly nudge the ones above my top front teeth with a wet q-tip and they came right off. It feels great having them out.

To remove or not to remove hardware: I have asked a couple of medical professionals why hardware is routinely removed in Germany. I was told that Germany and one other country (I forget which) pays surgeons automatically for hardware removal without the need to show a medical cause, so the clinics automatically book patients for removal and advocate strongly that there is a medical benefit. In countries without that pay model, it's not routinely done or advised. In Canada, the feeling is that since 95% of patients have no issues with the hardware, it's unnecessary surgery that is stressful for the patient physically and otherwise with associated risks of poor wound healing, infections, etc. Given the inherent risks of putting someone under anesthesia and reopening healed wounds, and the need for a second recovery period, that seems reasonable to me. Here, removal is done when there is a medical issue, or when the patient requests it.

I studied medical anthropology for one year in university and it was VERY illuminating: e.g., in countries where doctors are paid to write prescriptions people get about twice as many prescribed drugs. In countries where doctors are paid by the hour instead of by the patient, patients get a lot more doctor time. The big takeaway was that in countries where doctors are paid to prescribe birth control pills and require annual pap tests to continue prescribing them, they are highly reluctant to advise any other form of birth control even when patients ask. There was a study showing the overall annual loss to the average medical clinic if they lost just 10% of their patients on regular birth control and it was absolutely staggering.

So, I am unsure if Germany has identified a medical need given the conflict of interest. Assuming that a busy jaw clinic may do hundreds of surgeries a year and doing a second surgery for each patient would easily net a few $million per surgeon annually. I'd like to hear a solid argument for automatic removal from a country where there is no clear financial pressure. (Germany, in general, has a very solid medical system, but studies have shown where a procedure brings in reliable income the pressure to continue it can be intense because the loss of that income requires a major shift in the clinic's budgeting and expenditures).

In my personal case though, there is a medical need to remove one piece and it seems reasonable to consider getting it all out at the same time. I have plenty of time to decide. He did mention taking out the plates on either side of my nose would slightly slim down the area. That's hard to picture right now given how swollen it still is. I sure to feel my chin plates when go out in the cold though.


r/jawsurgery • • 5h ago

Advice for Me Is it worth it?

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I used AI to perform a cephalometric analysis of my lateral X-ray and to generate a surgical plan; according to the analysis, my chin is quite recessed relative to the norm. However, I don’t really have any significant occlusion (bite) issues, aside from a mild Class II malocclusion. I also have some asymmetry in my chin when viewed from the front—it seems one side of my lower jaw (mandible) is longer than the other—but I don’t have an X-ray for that, so I couldn’t have it evaluated. I also experience occasional pain on the side toward which my chin is deviated. In fact, it feels as though I have two different profiles: from one angle, my chin doesn’t look recessed, but from the other side, it does. Given all of this—considering health, pain, long-term implications, and aesthetics—would this justify surgery, or is it not worth addressing?


r/jawsurgery • • 5h ago

Advice for Me Lower jaw surgery only

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Hi everyone,

I need some advice, especially from those who only had lower jaw surgery.

At my initial surgery consult, I was told I'd likely need a Lefort I, septoplasty and turbinate reduction, bsso, and possibly genioplasty.

I have a 9mm overbite.

Well now that my surgery is approaching, my surgeon thinks that I could get away with just having a BSSO and maybe genio. She saw my latest ortho models and really likes how it's set up. I included pics of my current ortho models. Some show my current bite and if you slide the lower one forward its almost a perfect fit.

She estimates that the upper jaw would only need to be moved 1 to 2 mm. Basically I'd have to decide if I think that's worth it.

My surgery is scheduled for December. I have a CT scan and measurements scheduled mid November. She was just eyeballing it so I'll have more precise measurements soon which may change things.

Maybe I'm jumping the gun! But this new info has me nervous.

I was completely shocked when she said I may only need lower jaw. I'd love to have an easier recovery, but I also want good results and not look weird lol. I also really hate how my nose is downturned and I have a fairly gummy smile. I'll admit I liked the thought of that changing. But if 1 to 2mm maxilla is all that's needed then maybe it wouldn't be a big change anyway. I also have a deviated septum which was supposed to be addressed during the surgery. If I only go with bsso then I'll have to figure out when or if I'll have that done.

Advice welcome!


r/jawsurgery • • 5h ago

Advice for Me Decomp Timeline/TMD symptoms

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I started decompensation on Monday for DJS sometime next year. Ortho told me 7-9 months of decomp. For those of you who have gotten to the surgery part of this journey, did you find the timeline provided to you by your ortho to be accurate? I’m wondering what my odds are of this surgery being pushed later and later.

Also, like many in this sub I was a victim of camouflage orthodontics when I was a teenager (I’m now 28). The camo process with pulling my underbite back left me with daily jaw clicking on both sides with any forward movement at all. I’ve been told this is a disc in the joint popping in and out. I’m hoping to find some relief in that during this process, but ortho and surgeon both gave me kind of nothing-answers when I asked. Anyone out there experience similar joint symptoms and experience any changes while decomping back to an underbite?

TIA, I’ve found this sub soo helpful as I’ve mentally and physically prepared to embark on the journey!


r/jawsurgery • • 6h ago

Advice for Me Need cleft experienced jaw surgeon recommendations!

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Need experienced cleft jaw surgeon recommendations! 🦷 We are willing to travel anywhere in the US for the right care, but we're having trouble deciding.
Has anyone here (or someone you know) used any of these specific doctors?
Dr. Elda Fisher (Duke / NC)
Dr. Bonnie Padwa (Boston / MA)
Dr. Richard Hopper (Texas)
Dr. Brian Kinard (Alabama)
If you've used them—or have an amazing jaw surgeon elsewhere you highly recommend—please drop their name or DM me! Any insights mean the world to us. Thank you!


r/jawsurgery • • 6h ago

Recovery advice!

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Have my surgery Nov 3rd. Double jaw surgery with genio and 3 piece segment for upper jaw.

I was wondering from those who’ve had the surgery how long you needed care from another person. The only person who’d be possibly available is my GF and she’d most likely only be able to take off work for around the first 4-6 days after surgery. I was hoping after then I’d be able to make my own smoothies, clean my own dishes, do household chores that include taking care of my 2 cats.

I’m a male in their mid 20s lift weights about 5/6 times a day and have a decent amount of muscle mass and am relatively healthy (I don’t do any cardio lol). I’ve already accepted I’m going to lose a significant amount of weight


r/jawsurgery • • 7h ago

14 days post op

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Hi yall, I just wanted to post my results and experience with double jaw surgery. Prior to surgery I had a terrible bite and an asymmetrical jawline that caused issues such as teeth grinding, lockjaw, and chewing on one side. I’m now 14 days post op and I feel so much better already. The first week was very painful and uncomfortable but I pushed through and now I’m only taking ibuprofen every other night. I’m very thankful I didn’t lose any sensation in my face. Nowhere in my face is numb I just have tingling in my chin and lip area. This is getting better day by day but I will say skipping the numb phase and going straight into nerve pain was rough. I can now eat soft foods but still without any chewing of course although it is tiring to do that. I’ve mainly been living off of super high calories/protein smoothies and huel meal replacement drinks.
One side of my face is still noticeably more swollen than the other but other than that I’m super satisfied with my results. I also didn’t have any bruising throughout the process and my swelling while bad was still much less than I anticipated. I hope this post can comfort anyone who’s getting this procedure as it is very scary to trust a surgeon to permanently alter your appearance. The first two pics are some that highlight the issue with my jaw and the rest are day 14 post-op. I could’ve honestly done some better angles for the more swollen side but I was lazy haha.


r/jawsurgery • • 7h ago

Braces before surgery

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I know I should be asking this to my orthodontist but I’m trying to save money before doing that.

My teeth have no crowding, spaces.
I had braces before to camouflage the class 3 and now I wanna opt for surgery

What’s the average period for braces in these cases (before the surgery) ? Would it be more than a year ?

I wanna know how much roughly I can collect for the surgery during that time


r/jawsurgery • • 7h ago

38F, 10 weeks post op from ORIF jaw surgery. Will my jaw be asymmetrical forever?

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