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Over the course of the episode, both men:

• think they are indispensable and all-important to their organization(Hector to the Cartel, Chuck to HHM)
• find out that they are not, in fact, indispensable, as they are forced out of their previous position of good standing(Hector finds out that Gus's chicken trucks will be used; Chuck is forced out of HHM for good) by a colleague(Bolsa and Howard)
• As a result, they go on a furious tantrum and verbally attack everyone they blame(Hector rants about Eladio, Bolsa, and Gus; Chuck tells Jimmy that he never mattered much to him)
• As a direct result of their downfall, both are victims of a health issue(Hector is a victim to a Stroke; Chuck's EHS returns) which leads to them being permanently crippled(Hector becomes a Bell; Chuck outright dies)
• Both also get to watch their hated rival seemingly escape all consequences and rise high(Chuck and Jimmy, Hector and Gus)
• On a more specific note, both of them are technically right that their rival is plotting something(Chuck is correct that Jimmy is a con-man with a checkered past, Hector is correct that Gus is actually plotting against the Cartel and Hector himself) but ignore the fact that it was only brought about by their own actions(Chuck refusing to see Jimmy as anything more than a criminal causes Jimmy to become a criminal again, Hector was the one who killed Max and set Gus on his Bad Choice Road) .
• This is a bit of a stretch, but both of them will choose to take their own lives using a fire-related means of death(Hector will one day suicide bomb Gus, Chuck burns his own house down).

I always like to rewatch shows like Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul to see how all the characters are really similar, and this is just one example I happened to notice.

I don't actually think this is true, but it would give even more of a reason as to why Jimmy's parents favored him. If Chuck was the living reminder of unwanted sacrifices his parents made to have him, no wonder they didn't recognize his hard work. Though... Jimmy's mom looks pretty old in the scene where she dies, and there is no proof of this theory being true. Just thought it would be an interesting angle, especially considering how recent abortion rights are (Jimmy's mom would not have gotten the choice).

As a huge fan of the Breaking Bad universe, and for such a long time, I should've definetly given BCS a chance sooner.

Season 2 Episode 1 begins with a song that is, at least for me, very associated to nostalgic years such as 2020 - 2022.
It is apparently a remixed version of call me by 90sflav.

I really like this song and I'm finding BCS very entertaining.
I'm just missing 1 thing... Breaking Bad's shaky camera. It was so good. But I can barely see it in Better Call Saul. :/

When I saw that scene between Partagaz and Krennic, the moment Partagaz talked about how much of a miracle about not being caught for this long. I thought about the scene in Better Call Saul with Gus, Peter, and Lydia, with them discussing Lalo and the construction project before Peter freaks out, saying it was a miracle he hasn't been caught yet, and was considering quitting the project until Gus persuaded him that everything would be alright. I thought they were played by the same actor until I did a bit of research and realized they were both played by different actors (Lio Partagaz was played by Anton Lesser, and Peter Schuler was played by Norbert Weisser)

I still find it a funny, interesting coincidence how much these two scenes have in common, with as I said, both Peter and Partagaz showing concern at how long the project is taking and being lucky they haven't been caught yet, and both proceed to off themselves to avoid any further punishment

But what do you guys think? Has anyone thought of these two scenes together or something along those lines?

First time watcher here and I just got the the black and white episodes, loving season 6 so far, but was so incredibly surprised by how amazing Nippy was but I’m confused why it’s rated so low on IMDb? 8.5?? c’mon it’s at least a 9.0+, genuinely on the edge of my seat watching this episode, what a performance by Bob Odenkirk as always but the other guest actors and the heist… the heist was just perfect chef’s kiss. Like genuinely did not see any of this coming, it’s a slow burn and starts off a bit slow but does it pick up so quick, that ending as well. Also that whole plan by Gene every night made no sense at first but wow wow wow!! I completely lost it when it all came together.

Genuinely can’t understand why people hate this episode, I absolutely loved it at the end, when it all comes together it’s genuinely like a puzzle finally being completed. What are your thoughts? Loving season 6 so far!

Waterworks intro, when he received divorce letter from Kim. He's at the verge of crying but Saul took over. Masterclass acting by Bob, shame he never got emmys.

So, Bolsa secretly hires a Colombian gang to stop Lalo’s bail money from reaching the courthouse. He does this to protect his and Gus’s business from Lalo’s sabotage.

Since Mike and Saul take out the Colombians, the bail money makes it and Lalo is bailed out.

Why didn’t Bolsa inquire about this? Only thing I can think of is he inquired with his contact offscreen, or maybe caught on to Gus’s larger plan (following their phone call in Bad Choice Road) and quietly let it play out.

So Gene & crew successfully do the mall heist, their saving grace is gene being able to distract Gary.

Police would for sure start an investigation and find out that the main point of failure is Gary who was not paying attention to the CCTV. Gary would then tell the police that he was talking to Gene the whole night facing away from the monitors. How would Gene not immediately be implicated and investigated? And then found out as Saul Goodman?

It's been a while since I have seen the show, so maybe there was some explanation in the episode that I'm not remembering

I am thinking of doing a Saul Goodman costume for Halloween, but I am on the fence about which suit would be the best. These are my top two choices.

I've seen edits where the theme song plays at the end of "saul gone" but in my personal opinion it doesn't fit the bittersweet ending.

But there is another place where I think it fits PERFECTLY, and that is at the end of "winner" When jimmy gets his law licence back and we start to see the man we know and love. Saul Goodman

Years of not watching it and hearing all how it’s good, and damn even tho i’m so late to the party I can see why the two shows are widely popular til this day. But anyways here’s some random takeaways:

1. Mike is significantly more likeable in BCS than BB & I do enjoy watching him in the prequel. Like his dynamics with Nacho & with Jimmy along with his hatred of the Salamancas and working with Gus seemed more dynamic, meanwhile in BB he seemed too serious for me, maybe I need to rewatch
2. El Camino is the only one I watched multiple times bc it’s a movie & easier to digest. I didn’t like it at first but after rewatching it more I started liking it. Only complains are I wish they did a better job with Neil Kandy & Casey as villains as they seemed random. I also wish that we saw a little of how Jesse lived his new life, along with seeing how Skinny & Badger are doing in Alberqueque along with Brock (in its trailer Skinny is interrogated by the feds) . Skylar/Walt Jr as well, maybe in the flash forward scenes in BCS if they couldn’t be done in El Camino
3. Jimmy/Saul was definitely my favorite character in the whole universe from how relatable and likeable he is, but damn I still can’t believe he got himself caught, like how does one see the cops nearby so you run and make noise INSIDE the garbage can you’re in? Like making loud sounds will surely let you be hidden smh
4. I know Ed’s actor passed but I wish we had some way of having his character have closure, like maybe if Jimmy called his number in the trash and the line disconnects
5. Walt was unlikable but also you kind of did root for him in a way which is weird but bravo to the writers
6. I wish Todd, Uncle Jack & the gang had some screen time in BCS to get a little background on them
7. Marie is very unlikeable and I thought she had too much going on with her. Idk just not a fan of her as a character
8. It surprised me how Walt & Jimmy had similar things going on in their lives in the criminal world but their partners approached them in diff ways. Skylar wanted nothing to do with Walt while Kim was very supportive of Jimmy to my surprise & I was rooting for a bonnie & clyde dynamic tbh.
9. I feel bad for Kaylee the most seeing as Mikes money didn’t go to her & who knows how she and her mom will live their lives
10. Walt is a egotistical moron for leaving Gretchen & Elliot’s company and also refusing their aid to help his treatment
11. I sympathize with Skylar a lot but she’s not innocent like this sub claims she is, both her and Walt have their issues which annoyed me a lot but overall obviously Walt’s issues ar

e far worse
12) No Francesca, Kuby & Huell closure? Especially Huell since we don’t know how long he was in that house alone after Hank & Gomie held him there? Hell how about Kim after BCS ended?

I love everything about breaking bad. And I love everything about better call Saul, but I think what uplifts better call Saul for me to like it more down to a few reasons

1. is how it blows my mind how amazing they got everything from a prequel aspect, that strong characters such as chuck, nacho, KIM, LALO.
   Every one of the main cast is so strong and brings so much.
   To think they all exist in the same world as Walter white. It’s just insane to me how right they got it.
   tragic history is implemented before Walter even got there. It adds more weight to the ending of s4 where he technically kills Hector and gus, he ends the game that everyone’s a part of in better call Saul.

This is more so credit to the writing team and the actors for their performances. But when something is so good, everything works in its favour(hence why my title is a factor for me).

The moving parts in this show are just all amazing, multiple 10/10 storylines moving back and fourth at once (mikes storylines, nachos, jimmys) such great entertainment

1. Another reason for the title is because of Mikes story in BCS. We see him enter the game, and his whole story in that respect specifically is just amazing to watch when you have the hindsight of BrBa. I especially like his storyline with the bug implanted in his car, when he stays up all night to find the people and follows them on their route. IT just makes sense that the mike from breaking bad does that !

So cool seeing a grizzled old man become an insanely competent private investigator

1. Jimmy being the main character as opposed to Walter.
   The character of jimmy and the way bob odenkirk acts. He is able to play the emotional beats well and also the jazzy Saul Goodman act perfectly (his charismatic nature)

He is refreshing to see as a main character in this world compared Walter who was such a piece of shit it was hard to watch at times.
It’s much easier to root for Saul because it feels like the world is out to get him (chuck and Howard)- he obviously does fucked up things but not to the extremes as Walter. And so for a lot of the show you sympathise with him

1. Cinematography and cameras

This one is kind of unfair but breaking bad looks like a tv show of its times, which is beautiful and nostalgic, the cameras of the time make the look. i have no issue with that. But I think BCS just benefits from having higher quality technology. It gives the creatives better blocks to build with

I also think the cinematography is beautiful in BCS, it’s much more artistic in this show compared to breaking bad, I think the way they using lighting in the show is a major reason- the night scenes look magical to me.

( I love the wide shots this show sometimes does this shot , where there’s a single character by a big wall or in the middle of nowhere, and they really pop in the frame it’s a shot I love seeing whenever, ever- it feels very melancholy).

1. The concept of the show being a prequel that loops back round and gives you the continuation of jimmy’s story after breaking bad is so smart and a beautiful cherry on top. It’s like the whole show is feeding you the context for why jimmy does what he does in that courtroom at the end.

It’s like “we’re gonna show you Saul’s conclusion, but first we’re gonna show you why his conclusion is what it is”. As if his conclusion (with Kim walking into the courtroom is the reason for this shows inception)- like the conclusion was predetermined, and fans were gonna see her and be like “who the fuck is that” so they had to go make a whole show about why the moment is so significant 😂. THATS JUST A FUNNY WAY OF LOOKING AT IT

I’m not a Star Wars fan but i think it’s similar in how well the prequels fit the original like a glove it’s like the prequel was written before.

honourable mention (making lalo who he was from a throwaway line in breaking bad is so great)

CONCLUSION- both shows immaculate quality uplifts the others, and adds to the tragedy of the other

I wanna see if I’m not the only one😅
I’ve watched it about 4 times from beginning to end. Still love it. Still have to be paying attention to the little details. I still don’t get bored of it.

Rewatched the series in a nice binge the last weeks. 2, 3 and 4 the best seasons imo. I do remain the Jimmy/Kim story is so much more interesting than the mob shit even if there are some moments of excellence. Nacho was so sad story. But the many, many plotholes around Gus and introduction of more cartoon characters next to those twins, like Lalo, really diminished my enjoyment.

I also fast forwarded every scene with the film crew and by s6, almost every new scam Jimmy or Kim was pulling. Fun and Games was the last episode I watched. The next 4 on ff - i didnt need more moral of the story hammered in and eventhough I enjoyed the finale the first time, I couldnt even finish Jimmy’s ‘confession’ this time. No man is gonna choose 86 years in prison over 7 and no lawyer would accept such confession as needed for redeeming. Besides, Kim was as guilty as Jimmy. On everything.

In fact Kim Wexler was maybe even more interesting than Saul Goodman. Rhea Seehorn was James Gandolfini good in bcs. Its because of her (not being in) I didnt enjoy the last few episodes as much. And my god did Odenkirk look old in Fun and Games.

In conclusion: one of the best shows ever, if a bit inconsistent in some parts. For what its worth: I hate the full last season of BB, so ridiculous they can run that with the tune if the A-Team on full repeat throughout. BCS was much, much better quality also inits last season. That I personally didnt like the last 4 episodes had nothing to do with a lack of quality.

The cinematograpy, editing of BCS was outstanding. ‘Winner’ (s4 finale) with mike and ziegler in the dark, the pixelated city lights..Vince Gilligan is a master. A genius.

Ill probably do a few more full series rewatches. I remain Jimmy didnt need any redeeming on that fucker Chuck. Howard kept asking why, well, rewind fucking over Jimmy for Chuck..

I Hope to see Seehorn in more quality shows. She is currently carrying one that doesnt have my interest but Kim Wexler is as iconic as Tony Soprano imo.

Now, back to Sopranos rewatch #72. Calling All Cars.

I hate to admit it but maybe he had a vision, although Jimmy was victim to a lot of things, he also lacked the backbone to simply decide to do the right thing instead of being dragged into it (like Kim convincing him to ruin Howard's life)

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I love this scene so much, it feels like the "Say my name" of Better call Saul

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