r/WoT • • 3h ago

No Spoilers Dedication to Robert Jordan who would have turned 77 today under different circumstances.

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Today is October 17th which would be Robert Jordan's birthday under different circumstances and with that, I want to honor in recognition Robert Jordan, his life, his values, his astronomically successful series, and his beautiful writing and soul.

To think the peak of his success started with the first steps being an accident resulting in his leg getting torn and winding up in a hospital bed. Was a wind blowing at the time?

With nothing to pass the time but a few books in the year 1977, one of them happened to be fantasy, and after a time spent reading its contents, he lifted his head up in disappointed realization and tossed it away from him, onto the floor, and exasperated," I could do so much better".

He went on to dedicate his life to writing fantasy that others can enjoy and not suffer the same experience he had, eventually miraculously meeting up with a dating partner who happened to be involved in the publishing industry, because obviously he was the real taveren all along and started his famous career.

I express my gratitude to Robert Jordan, his former wife Harriet, and the man who wrote that awful fantasy book.


r/WoT • • 8h ago

All Print Mat might be the least reliable narrator in the series whenever he’s talking about himself Spoiler

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The more I reread WoT, the funnier Mat’s internal monologue gets, because I’m starting to think you should believe almost everything he says about other people and almost nothing he says about himself.
He is constantly insisting that he is NOT a hero, does not want responsibility, does not care about being respectable, and definitely is not about to get dragged into somebody else’s disaster.
Then somebody is in trouble and suddenly he’s halfway across town risking his neck for them while mentally complaining about how this is exactly the sort of stupid thing Rand or Perrin would do.
That disconnect is probably my favorite thing about him.
Mat will spend pages thinking about how sensible he is compared to everyone around him, while actively doing something completely insane because leaving somebody behind apparently never even registered as a real option. He’ll complain about nobles while becoming weirdly good at dealing with them. He’ll insist he wants nothing to do with command while immediately noticing everything that’s wrong with a situation and somehow becoming the person everyone starts listening to.
And the best part is that I don’t think he’s consciously lying.
He genuinely seems to believe his own version of himself: gambler, troublemaker, guy who just wants some money in his pocket and a good time. Meanwhile everyone watching him from the outside is getting a VERY different picture.
It also makes his POV chapters funnier on rereads because sometimes the joke doesn’t even need dialogue. Mat thinks one thing, does the exact opposite, and then apparently learns nothing from the contradiction.
There’s also something kind of sweet about it underneath all the comedy. Rand spends so much time worrying about what being the Dragon Reborn is turning him into, Perrin worries about leadership and violence, but Mat’s crisis is almost backwards. The guy keeps accidentally proving that he’s better than the person he insists he is.
He might be one of the only characters where “listen to what he does, not what he says” applies almost literally every chapter.
And somehow, after doing something absurdly brave for the tenth time, he still seems personally offended by the suggestion that this might say something about his character


r/WoT • • 19h ago

No Spoilers (first time reader) Beginning book 9!

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WHO CHANGED THE THERMOSTAT GOD DAMMIT


r/WoT • • 10h ago

All Print My WoT Tattoo Spoiler

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Just wanted to share the tattoo I got today! I’m really happy with the outcome but man did it hurt lol


r/WoT • • 3h ago

Lord of Chaos Mat and Perrin do not get enough recognition, especially from Aes Sedai. Spoiler

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(Please no spoilers past chapter 47 of Lord of Chaos)

After reading about the arrival of Mat in Salidar, I seem to be more and more getting the impression that Mat (and Perrin to a lesser degree) do not get enough recognition and importance than they should get for being Taveren. Especially Taveren who are childhood friends and so close to the Dragon Reborn.

Based on what the story seems to tell us about Taveren, I think there were more than the 5 that were ever namely mentioned. But still, being a Taveren is almost like a definitive proof that these people are basically destined legends and heroes.

Mat & Perrin are the only Taveren besides two Dragon Reborns (Lews Therrin and Rand) and Artur Hawkwing whos like the greatest king that ever lived.

So in my opinion these two, should be treated with way more importance and admiration than they get (as of Lord of Chaos). Especially the Aes Sedai often treat Mat as a commoner. And yes I know that in Mats case part of it is his fault because he's a big mouthed idiot. But still... I feel like he should be treated as essential to Tarmon Gai'don as Rand.

Am I missing something here or am I right?

Thanks!! Love the books so far.


r/WoT • • 21h ago

All Print Was something slipped into Elaida's drink? Spoiler

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Like seriously when we are introduced to her she is an intelligent if hard woman. She is directly compared to Moraine in competence. She had a working relationship with Morgaine and was shown to be a capable political operator.

But she got into power and oh dear god was every decision she made terrible.

Now I will grant that a number of her decisions were subverted and manipulated by the Black Ajah. They effectively used her as a mouthpiece and scapegoat to help divide the tower.

But that doesn't explain her downright stupid decisions. Banning the blue ajah, building a private tower for no reason but ego, planning to capture Rand even before negotiations started.

Just find it odd how stupid and disastrously arrogant she gets when she expressly gave up her career in the white tower to help prepare Andor for the final battle because she saw them as a key player.


r/WoT • • 22h ago

Lord of Chaos Rand is easily one of the best characters I've ever read! Spoiler

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I was just reading chapter 45 of Lord of Chaos and man, every time Rand is with someone from the two rivers, it strucks me as to how incredibly well he is written.

The whole idea of a farm boy being the Jesus of the world and being forced to basically become the king of the world while still at times flinging back to his childhood is just awesome.

I feel so much awe and sadness at the same time for Rand, everytime someone speaks of him. I just feel sorry for the man. The way the books depict his character is just astonishing.

What a great character!!!

(Please no spoilers past chapter 45 of Lord of Chaos).

Thanks!!


r/WoT • • 17h ago

All Print Jordanian Literalism Spoiler

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So I’ve been on this sub for a year now, and I s noticed something in comments. There’s a real struggle between people who see things in the story behind events and people who only see what is written. The latter group tend also to have a hierarchy of authority, with RJs books being highest and BSs books less authoritative.

It’s interesting because upon re-reads you see a TON of stuff that isn’t explicitly said. Looks, people’s clothes changing in TAR, people reacting to someone that you don’t realize until later why they’re doing this. And yet, people still insist that only things explicitly said actually happened. It’s akin to Biblical Literalism, where readers negotiate with the text in similar ways.

Anyone else notice this?


r/WoT • • 1d ago

The Shadow Rising I think I finally understand why the Rhuidean and Tanchico storylines belong in the same book Spoiler

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Finished The Shadow Rising and something occurred to me that made me appreciate the Tanchico chapters a lot more.

Rand goes into Rhuidean and discovers that practically everything the Aiel believe about their own history is backwards. They're a warrior culture descended from people who refused to fight. They despise the Tinkers, who actually preserved the Way of the Leaf their ancestors abandoned.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, Egeanin is discovering that sul'dam aren't fundamentally different from the women they've spent their lives keeping on leashes.

These are two societies whose entire understanding of honor depends on a distinction that turns out to be false.

For the Aiel, it's the difference between honorable warriors and contemptible people who refuse to fight. For the Seanchan, it's the difference between respectable women who control the Power and dangerous women who must be controlled.

And in both cases, the people who learn the truth have a very good reason to wish they hadn't.

What I find particularly interesting is how differently the revelations happen.

The Aiel have an entire sacred place dedicated to confronting their history. Their leaders have been carrying this knowledge for generations, even though it apparently destroys some of the people who encounter it.

Egeanin, on the other hand, discovers something that her society has absolutely no mechanism for admitting. There's no honorable way for her to process this information within the system she has spent her life serving.

It also made her character much more interesting to me. She's not some cartoonishly cruel Seanchan officer. She's capable of being reasonable and even decent to people, which makes watching her question her beliefs more uncomfortable. She has participated in something terrible without ever having to think of herself as a terrible person.

I went into this book expecting the big revelations to be about Rand and the Dragon Reborn. I wasn't expecting so much of it to be about what happens when people find out the stories their cultures tell about themselves aren't true.

Maybe I'm reading too much into the parallel, but I genuinely think these two plotlines make each other better.

Please keep discussion to book 4. I'm starting The Fires of Heaven next.


r/WoT • • 14h ago

The Eye of the World First time reader Spoiler

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So I just finished fourth wing last night and I’ve had this sitting here for a bout two months - i got sick last year and I can’t work anymore I just run my business from home so I found my love again .. fantasy . I consumed every fantasy show on every platform I could. Then I started noticing a lot of the stuff I really loved were adapted from books and I used to read so much so I gave it another shot and I can’t stop reading lol 😂 this series is super interesting to me I hated they stopped the show but I’ve heard the books are 1000 time better. I’m just wondering if you read the books after the show. Was it hard for you to stay focused because it was similar material as what you’ve seen and when did it stop feeling mf familiar also when does it pick up I already own book 1-3 an im a completionist thanks to my adhd so I wanna finish it but im just worried that if (just opinions ive seen) it doesn’t get good till book 4/5 that I’ll struggle to keep interest? Any advice


r/WoT • • 19h ago

Knife of Dreams I don't understand book titles Spoiler

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I finished book 11. Of all the books that I've read, I understand... 4 titles. Eye of the world, Great Hunt, Dragon reborn and Crown of swords. What are other titles referring to?


r/WoT • • 1d ago

All Print Easter Egg Spoiler

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Listening to Lord of Chaos for the millionth time, and I just caught a little Easter egg. When the Wondergirls, Siuan, and Leane are teaching the Salidar Six, Myrelle’s dress (she’s Altaran) has three daggers on it. When she scolds or looks at Nynaeve, they briefly flicker to four, then back to three.

At the time, she has three Warders plus a recently Moiraine-less Lan, so it’s a funny little detail I’d never noticed before, lol.


r/WoT • • 16h ago

All Print Room of flies and Portal Stone questions Spoiler

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“Verin Sedai,” Ingtar said sharply, then bowed to her from his saddle. “Moiraine Sedai sent me, Lord Ingtar,” Verin announced with a satisfied smile. “She thought you might need me. Such a gallop I’ve had. I thought I might not catch you short of Cairhien. You saw that village, of course? Oh, that was very nasty, wasn’t it? And that Myrddraal. There were ravens and crows all over the rooftops, but never a one went near it, dead as it was. I had to wave away the Dark One’s own weight in flies, though, before I could make out what it was. A shame I did not have time to take it down. I’ve never had a chance to study a—” Suddenly her eyes narrowed, and the absent manner vanished like smoke. “Where is Rand al’Thor?”

Did Verin stumble across the same trap Rand encountered in the village of flies?

I tend to think Lanfear set the trap to test Rand and force him to channel. I know some people attribute it to Fain, but Lanfear makes more sense to me, especially given how she later encourages Rand to channel at the Portal Stone. It feels like part of a larger effort to push him toward embracing his power.

A few things I wasn't able to reach a conclusion on:

  • How did Verin find the group? She found them very quickly.
  • Lanfear and the Portal Stone: Was her involvement in getting Rand to use the Stone part of a larger plan, and was Ishamael aware of it? If he wasn't, how was he able to find Ran there and appear there to confront Rand?
  • Egwene's dream: She sees both a mysterious woman and Ba'alzamon connected to Rand. Is this evidence that Lanfear and Ishamael were plotting together the Stone stuff?

Was this some coordinated plan or am I connecting dots that weren't necessarily intended to fit together?


r/WoT • • 19h ago

Knife of Dreams (first time reader) Before I dive into the volumes written by Sanderson, here is a summary of my journey through volumes 1–11 and the prequel Spoiler

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Hey. I’m currently reading In the Shadow of Lightning by Brian McClellan, and I think my next read will be the 12th volume of Wheel of Time—a book I’m approaching with some trepidation. I hold Sanderson in high regard, but I know the experience is simply going to be different.

This post serves as my personal reckoning with the series before I dive into the volumes where Jordan’s signature style is no longer present.

I’ll cover volumes 1–3 only briefly, as I must admit that the beginning of the series was the least enjoyable part for me. The story felt too naive at the start, and it took a long time for the concept the author had in mind for Rand to actually become interesting. In fact, I didn’t really warm up to Rand until the fourth book.

The first volume was just okay, though it contained many tedious stretches. The second was much better—more consistent, with fewer dull moments—and it introduced Lanfear. The third volume featured some excellent plotlines involving Mat and Perrin, but the arc following Egwene, Elayne, and Nynaeve as they hunted the Black Ajah was exceptionally irritating to me.

The fourth volume was a significant improvement. Rand finally developed the character depth needed for me to actually care about him. His interactions with Aviendha and the Aiel in general were compelling—even if (controversial take?) I still haven’t grown to like the Aiel. Come to think of it, I don’t think I’ve really liked any of the peoples in Wheel of Time so far. Unless you count the folks from the Two Rivers as a distinct group?

Beyond Rand, the storyline involving Nynaeve and Elayne benefited greatly from the presence of Thom and Juilin, while Perrin’s arc in the Two Rivers—featuring the Whitecloaks and Padan Fain—was quite engaging. Mat was fine, too, though in this volume, he was essentially just... there.

I definitely consider the fifth volume the best in the series so far, and I doubt any of the volumes written by Sanderson will surpass it. I enjoyed all the major plot threads, and I’ve truly come to love the character of Nynaeve—with whom I previously had a complicated relationship, best described as: "I feel like I could like you, but you’re certainly not making it easy for me right now." She won me over after her defeat by Moghedien, which led to a nervous breakdown—a turning point that ultimately enabled her to win a rematch against Moghedien and assist Rand in defeating Rahvin.

It’s a pity, however, that this volume removed Lanfear from the narrative for many volumes. Up to that point, she was the only truly compelling antagonist, and I wish Jordan had further explored the dynamics between her and Rand/Lews Therin. While she does eventually return as Cyndane, her absence lasts far too long; I’m not sure if Sanderson will do her justice in volumes 12–14.

The sixth volume also maintained a high standard, though it was frustrating to see so clearly that Rand’s actions were steering him toward catastrophe—even if he arguably had no other choice, given the overwhelming number of responsibilities resting on his shoulders alone.

Overall, volumes 4–6 were much better, though they were also far too long.

Then came volumes 7–11, along with the prequel—and honestly, I’m not sure if that wasn’t the best part of my entire experience reading Wheel of Time. It’s not necessarily about the quality of the individual volumes; rather, I simply grew accustomed to these characters. With few exceptions—Egwene, Elayne, and any member of the Black Ajah—spending time with the various POV characters was a pleasant experience. Each subsequent volume felt like another episode of a series, and as I progressed, I felt increasingly at home in this world.

The only storyline that truly bored me was Elayne’s struggle for the throne of Andor. While Elayne could be engaging when surrounded by other interesting characters, on her own, she is simply dull and irritating—and even the presence of Birgitte didn’t make enduring those chapters any more bearable.

Overall, the characters I was most excited to see were Mat, Nynaeve, Siuan, and Thom. Along with Leane, Siuan is the only long-standing Aes Sedai I actually liked; most of the others I found deeply annoying.

As for the schism in the White Tower, I wasn’t particularly invested in it on an emotional level, though it did feature some genuinely good chapters and segments. Furthermore, having Siuan and Leane by Egwene’s side helped me shift from outright dislike toward a more neutral stance regarding her. I’ll likely never truly care about Egwene—given that I don’t care about her now—but at the very least, her presence in the story stopped being a source of irritation for me. Overall, as far as the main six POV characters go, I’d classify them like this:

- Mat and Nynaeve – I love their chapters.

- Rand and Perrin – I like their chapters.

- Egwene – just okay.

- Elayne (especially in volumes 10–11) – why do I have to spend time with her? Help!

Returning to volumes 7–11, a definite plus was that they were noticeably shorter. Compared to volumes 4–6, it felt as though the author was making it easier to continue reading—or rather, making it easier to jump back into the story. I’ve reached a pace of two volumes per month; given that I might finish volume 12 in October, I wouldn’t be surprised if I complete the entire series this year. Of course, that depends on several factors—not least whether Wheel of Time books written by Sanderson prove easy or difficult to read, and how quickly I can adapt to the inevitable shifts that come with a change in author. In my view, at least, Jordan’s and Sanderson’s styles are quite distinct.

As for Jordan’s writing style in general, I eventually grew accustomed to his descriptions, even if he did occasionally include far too much detail. There were some problematic elements—such as the recurring focus on women’s large busts (though, to be fair, this mostly occurred within Mat’s POV chapters), as well as instances of nudity, spanking, and the enslavement of female antagonists. Ultimately, I’ve come to accept that these aspects reflect the era in which Jordan was writing—a time very different from our own—and that some elements simply haven’t aged well. Rather than getting annoyed by them, I’ve decided to view certain parts as a source of humor instead.

Admittedly, the author went overboard at times (for instance, Volume 11 definitely featured the most spankings in the series—some even shown on-screen, such as those involving Mat and Joline, or Tylee and Sevanna; the image of Sevanna, naked and bound, slung over a horse, was perhaps an excessive display of humiliation—though I suppose some fans might enjoy seeing an unlikable antagonist treated that way). Still, these elements do set the series apart; they aren't the sort of thing you’d typically encounter in other fantasy series, at least not in contemporary ones.

In terms of humor, Mat and Nynaeve are, for me, the best characters. Nynaeve’s fits of rage are charming (just don’t tell Lan... or Nynaeve herself, for that matter), and she goes to great lengths to protect those she cares about. Mat, meanwhile, has a laid-back approach to life and the instincts of a gifted scoundrel—yet, no matter how often he denies it, his heart is always in the right place.

Overall, I do wish the antagonists were better written; few of them actually held my interest. Pedron Niall was a clear favorite, followed by Lanfear/Cyndane, Mazrim Taim, and Moridin. I also found Sevanna more engaging once I decided to view her as comic relief—after all, how could I take a character seriously when her primary tactic is shoving her massive breasts into men’s faces? (Berelain does something similar, but with far more class.) Then again, it’s a common issue: very few fantasy series manage to feature truly high-caliber antagonists. It’s a good thing that Jordan gave the antagonists their own POV chapters/scenes; many authors don’t even bother to develop their antagonists at all—if you know of any series that do this well, I’d appreciate some recommendations.

I do wish this series had more compelling antagonists, but all things considered, it could have been worse. It’s fortunate that, as the story progressed, other interesting antagonists appeared alongside Lanfear—though I do miss having a "criminal mastermind" type of character: someone who feels like a genuine threat, someone I could truly believe might defeat one of our protagonists, leading to significant, lasting consequences. Moghedien could have been that kind of figure for Nynaeve, but she failed miserably.

I’d also like to touch upon the romances in the series. To be honest, most of them suffer from a common issue: either I only care about one of the characters involved (e.g., Nynaeve and Lan, Perrin and Faile, Mat and Tuon, Rand and his three partners, Siuan and Gareth Bryne), or I don’t care about either of them (e.g., Morgase and Tallanvor, Gawyn and Egwene). For instance, do I care about Gareth Bryne? Not really—but I do care that he makes Siuan happy. After all, do you really need to like your friend’s partner if that person brings your friend happiness? Overall, I think the romance I was most invested in was the one between Rand and Aviendha during books 4 and 5.

Anyway, that’s about it. I’m not sure if I’ll write another post before I start the 12th volume. All in all, I’m quite apprehensive about this book, but since I see a chance to finish the series this year, the only thing left to do is find out as soon as possible what the volumes written by Sanderson have to offer.


r/WoT • • 21h ago

All Print Is Rand the inspiration for this Ares story from the Iliad? Spoiler

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Sorry for the clickbait-title - it's required by the rules. This post contains spoiler for key scenes in Lord of Chaos, the Gathering Storm and other books, as well as for the Iliad. Is 3000 years too soon to start spoiling it?

While reading the Iliad, I came across this passage:

>Ares was hurt when mighty Ephialtes and Otus, sons of Aloeus, trapped him in tight confinement. They imprisoned him for thirteen months inside a bronze container. Ares, with his insatiable desire for warfare, would have died—but their stepmother, most beautiful Eeriboea, told Hermes, who secretly got Ares out. Ares had suffered very much by then. The cruel prison had exhausted him.

(Translation by Emily Wilson)

There are very obvious parallels to Rand being trapped in the box. Within the mythology of Randland, the memory of a memory of Rand's imprisonment forms the basis for the legend which Homer records in the Iliad. In our world, Homer may have inspired RJ to write this scene.

The myth

The Aloedae were sons of Poseidon by the mortal wife of Aloeus. They were really huge - at the age of 9 they were 9 fathoms high (or 16 metres in modern units) - and arrogant motherfuckers. Their plan was to stack mountains on top of mountains till they could climb up to Olympus and tear down the gods.They also wanted to take Artemis and Hera as wives.

Ares tried to stop them. The surviving myths do not record how the Aloedae defeated him (I bet Ares slaughtered any who dared write that down), but what's clear is that he was stuffed into a bronze storage jar. As Homer relates, Hermes helps him escape.

You would expect Ares to be fucking angry, but again, our legends do not record any vengeance he took against them.

The Aloedae are either defeated by Apollo (Homer doesn't say how) or his sister Artemis (possibly following Apollo's plan). Artemis transforms into a deer and the brothers try to spear her. She darts between them and they spear each other. In the afterlife, they are bound to a pillar by snakes for eternity as punishment for their arrogance.

The implications

The tellings of this tale vary, but they all emphasise the arrogance of overthrowing the gods. Could imprisoning your saviour and turning him into a puppet be construed as arrogant?

Ares could have died. The Iliad passage appears in a series of stories of when mortals wounded gods. In another turning of the Wheel, Rand could also have died in the box.

Ares is often typically represented as completely feral, like a rabid dog. That shows you how angry Rand must have been trapped within that box.

The Aloedae were strong enough to defeat the literal god of war. You cannot defeat them with force. Instead he is defeated by the god of reason and poetry. Apollo, the archer god, presumably shoots them from afar or uses logic to outwit them. (Yes, I know I'm glossing over the very relevant role of Artemis but I just don't know how she fits into the allusion).

Likewise, Rand doesn't get revenge on (most of) the Aes Sedai who caged him through brute force. The box is the beginning of Darth Rand. He metaphorically defeats the box through the Veins of Gold moment on the Dragonmount.

The way Rand does so reminds me of the Iliad. The Iliad tells of the wrath of Achilles after his boyfriend is killed by Hector, prince of Troy. Achilles kills Hector, but that doesn't sate his rage. He desecrates Hector's corpse but that doesn't sate his rage. He kills any Trojan who leaves their city walls, but that doesn't sate his rage. Finally, the aged King Priam orders the gates opened and he walks out unarmed and alone. He kneels before Achilles and begs to let him bury his son. His plea - "remember Peleus," his father who will grieve when Achilles dies shortly (as he is fated to do). Achilles relents and his rage evaporates. The two men kneel together in the dirt and weep for their dearly departed. Violence does not quench his rage, compassion does.

Rand doesn't defeat the box through force or becoming cuendillar. He does it through a lesson from poetry - he remembers Peleus, his own father and the lessons Tam taught him. He defeats the Lord of Chaos through reason, compassion and civilisation.

Another interesting parallel is that because Ares is so rabid, almost insane, some Greek cities held an annual festival to bind him as their protector. Which is actually a pretty good parallel for what the Tower Aes Sedai were attempting to do here. And Rand was actually a little insane...

My googling turned up no record of anyone having noticed this before so I'm really excited. The community is so learned that it's cool I found something new.


r/WoT • • 1d ago

Crossroads of Twilight Crossroads is a flex Spoiler

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By the time we reach this book, there is a certain level of commitment to the series, maybe more than any other story before. Jordan tests our resolve. He challenges us to persevere through every perspective of one event. The challenge is also a promise, of something worth waiting. This is beautiful teasing by Jordan. Right?


r/WoT • • 1d ago

The Path of Daggers (first time reader) Thoughts and reactions to Book 8, and some predictions (completed) Spoiler

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My feet might be bleeding, but hopefully the snow ahead doesn't hurt too much...

This book was FANTASTIC. Thematically, really dark and honing in on the fact that we're heading into a really horrifying state of the world. From here, I expect that whatever happens, we won't be having honeycakes and ale for a good while, especially Rand. I'm keeping my thoughts short because I want to try and predict what happens in the future of the story.

Rand and Min

BOY IF RAND GETS MIN HURT I'M GONNA- Okay, but where is he going? Based on what's on the WH dust jacket, he seems to be going to a place no one will expect him to go to. We can narrow down some (but not all cause my brain is still waking up) places he won't go (considering the Wise Ones and Cadsuane can Travel):

  • Rhuidean/Aiel Waste
  • Illian
  • Caemlyn
  • Two Rivers
  • Dragonmount

I think he can go to Baerlon where Min comes from. Maybe he can stop by the Two Rivers to see Tam or stay there for a bit but I don't think he'll stay in one place for a while. He could also go to one of the stedding, though there are many and I don't know how being cut off from the Power will affect him at this point. Taim is definitely a Darkfriend and he'll be overthrown by Logain sometime during the WT Seige.

Perrin

He's gonna be pissed. Losing Faile and being stuck with Berelain isn't going to be a good time, and Eggy had that dream of him and a Tinker cutting through screaming brambles. He'll definitely be clashing with the Shaido, but I also expect he'll be clashing with the Seanchan as they move deeper toward a very certain location.

The White Tower Siege

Now, here are some small predictions I got for this plotline:

  • Aran'gar deserts the rebel camp and joins Mesaana for a temporary joint operation.
  • The BA come out in full force
  • The Black Tower becomes involved in the fighting and at the end we get the overthrowing of Mazrim Taim with Logain becoming its new leader, also replacing Rand and fulfilling Min's Viewing of glory to come
  • Gawyn returns and fulfills at least one of the dreams Eggy had, that being him stepping on broken shards of glass and leaving a bloody trail
  • Eggy gets captured by Elaida's forces, putting the rebels in a strained position. I think the headsman's block dream she had will occur here. If Gawyn returns, I don't think he helps her immediately because there will be some conflict between them. I'm keeping my expectations low, but I'm gonna expect that Mat somehow ends up in Tar Valon since the Daughter of the Nine Moons is finally appearing in this book and Mat will face the balance scales and eye prophecy we learned about several times in the series.
  • Padan Fain returns to thwart Elaida somehow - this is due to the fact that Fain indicated that he corrupted her during LoC. I was reminded of it while going through the newbie thread post for Book 8 and I think this might come back to bite Elaida somehow.
  • The Horn of Valere - If Mat shows up, I think he'll find the Horn again.
  • The Seanchan invades the WT - This is strictly due to Min having all those viewings from Book 4. I haven't forgotten those and I think they'll be fulfilled here.

Elayne

Not much for Elayne other than some struggles with the contenders and then that Darkfriend meetup from last book. I'm going to RAFO for this one.

Slayer

Luc should be returning here and this will involve Perrin because of the wolf dreams. Elyas appearing is no coincidence so he'll get involved too. Not sure where this is going but I hope Slayer stubs his toe and hits his elbow.

The Forsaken

I'm really hoping to see more of them in this book, especially Moridin, Demandred and Semirhage. The latter two have been relatively absent, even from conversation and we know the Blight has become really quiet. So, I'm hoping for more and it'll be a plus to hear the DO talk at all as well. It's always fun reading the Shadow-side storylines.


r/WoT • • 1d ago

All Print Running a brand makes me respect Siuan and the Tower hierarchy more than I expected Spoiler

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Scaling a business has me thinking about leadership structures in the books way more than I expected. Siuan running the White Tower is basically managing a massive org where everyone thinks they should be in charge. The Ajahs are departments that all have their own agendas, and she has to keep them aligned enough to function. I used to find the Tower politics tedious, but after dealing with team conflicts and people undermining decisions because they felt like it, the whole thing hits different. Siuan balancing competence with the fact that everyone is watching for a reason to challenge her authority is the most realistic part of the series to me. Even the way information moves through the Tower feels like a company where the org chart says one thing but the actual influence is completely different.

Elaida taking over is the nightmare scenario every founder worries about. Someone who wants the title more than they understand the work and immediately starts breaking what functioned before. Thom playing the Great Game actually got me thinking harder about stakeholder management too. The way he reads rooms and figures out who actually holds power versus who just has the title. Curious if anyone else here connects the leadership stuff to work situations. Which characters do you think would actually survive running a company versus crashing it in a week?


r/WoT • • 1d ago

The Shadow Rising GUYS. GUYS. G.U.Y.S., I'M ON PAGE 138 OF THE SHADOW RISING AND UGH Spoiler

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58 Upvotes

RAND AND ELAYNE KISSED BABY, LET'S GO!

EVERYBODY CAN SHUT UP.

It wasn't how I imagined the kiss scene happening, y'know? I was expecting an angry, heated love confession, followed by some spicy kissing.

But apart from that, this book is a significant upgrade. Like, in the previous three books, the flirting was minimal, if not nonexistent. But in TSR, it's got me clutching my imaginary pearls like some scandalised maiden, 🤣as if I haven't read worse in other romance books.

And I've got a question: do Lan and Nynaeve get married in this book? The line confused me when I read it. What wedding feast? Whats going on? MIND YOU IN THIS BOOK

In the last post, most of you said the third woman had already been introduced, and I'm still blind. ( https://www.reddit.com/r/WoT/s/gPqSbeDw2U )

I know it's not Egwene, because obviously they both split on agreeable terms, if you can even call it splitting.

But I still think it's Aviendha🤔. Berelain is obviously introduced as an annoying character. But there's no hint as to whether Aviendha has feelings for him or not.

But who else could it possibly be? There's no way it's Moiraine. She's like a mentor figure, and someone told me she and Siuan were "roommates in college", so I'm assuming she doesn't swing that way.

Then who? Ugh, come on, guys, give me a clue! Or is this person someone not emphasised enough so far?

Also Perrin and Faile are so on.

And Mat's love interest if he ever has one, hasn't still being introduced. Am I right, or am I right?

I know I shouldn't be posting like this but I'm like so excited...


r/WoT • • 1d ago

A Memory of Light Talmanes = Bad Ass Spoiler

48 Upvotes

Just finished the prologue….he is one tough son of a bitch, appreciation has gone skyhigh for him.


r/WoT • • 1d ago

All Print About when Rand.... Spoiler

8 Upvotes

.....gets dragonnapped. How did they get him back to the house without getting noticed by any wise one that can channel? So I get they set up the 'smoke screen' of channeling at the house but they had to get him back there shielded and so they had to go back all the way through the city with 6+ Aes Sedai channeling for all they're worth and not one woman noticed??


r/WoT • • 1d ago

All Print TGH-A little nod to Rand's heritage Spoiler

67 Upvotes

A little nod to Rand being the son of Tigraine, Daughter-Heir to the Lion Throne of Andor. 🦁

Leane looked Rand over with a slight smile. Despite the smile, her voice had a snap to it. “What have you brought the Amyrlin Seat today, Lan Gaidin? A young lion? Better you don’t let any Greens see this one, or one of them will bond him before he can take a breath. Greens like to bond them young.”

...

Leane returned, motioning Rand to go in. When Lan started to follow, she thrust her staff across his chest, stopping him. “Not you, Lan Gaidin. Moiraine Sedai has a task for you. Your lion cub will be safe enough by himself.”

I love these little details ✨


r/WoT • • 1d ago

All Print Raven and the Tower Art Spoiler

4 Upvotes

Hey y'all

I've been looking for some good art of the Raven and Tower tattoo that the Deathwatch Guard have, but cannot find anything

I know a while back someone asked someone associated to Jordan for some official art, and it was confirmed they didn't have any

Does anyone know if any fan-art has been done of the tattoo and/or any WOT fan artists that might be willing to do a commission?


r/WoT • • 1d ago

All Print How easy is it to find the old style hardcovers? Spoiler

6 Upvotes

Been reading the series since ~ ‘98 and love it. Lost my original copies but a few years ago I bought the whole series again. Unfortunately they’re softcover and I prefer hardcover books. If I were to buy a book at a time (even used) how hard would it be to replace the series over time?


r/WoT • • 1d ago

All Print For which characters did Sanderson do the best job of ensuring that his versions and Jordan’s did not differ significantly? Spoiler

22 Upvotes
2196 votes, 3h left
Rand
Perrin
Mat
Nynaeve
Egwene
Elayne