Accentuated functions: ESI-Fi = Fi, Fe, Ni, Ne; ESI-Se = Se, Si, Te, Ti

ESI-Fi (Lana Del Rey):

In typology communities, Lana Del Rey is often mistyped as an IEI, EII, or an intuitive ethical. But what we often mistake for high intuition, marked by her grand, aesthetic narratives about female suffering and the pursuit of love, is merely her accentuated Ni and Ne as an ESI-Fi, which serves as the backdrop for her concrete imagery and visceral storytelling (Se):

Blue jeans, white shirt

Walked into the room, you know you made my eyes burn

(Blue Jeans, Lana Del Rey, 2012)

Even her imfamous lyrics in the titular track to the 2014 album Ultraviolence demonstrate her affinity for impact and force.

He hit me and it felt like a kiss

While we can dwell on the form of her visuals, which appear to be highly symbolic, content-wise, Lana does not intellectualize nor examine her painful reality from the perspective of a detached, Ni observer; she actively lives through it, depicting a secular, lawless Gamma marketplace of relationships in which power is negotiated through the body, not ideas or emotionally-charged manifestos. In the music video for Ride, Lana is shown secretly having sex with an older man, which is reminiscent of the hypergamist, power-seeking strategies espoused by well-known Gamma SF online gurus such as Shera Seven. Moreover, in her 2012 GQ Magazine feature, a faceless man grabs onto what appears to be Lana's breast as she leans in to embrace his clutch. This overt sexual display of raw feminine beauty and power, as well as the body, not the mind, operating as a fungible token to gain access to certain privileges and opportunties afforded to self-enterprising women is prescisely what an IEI with 1D Se may analyze, but not boldly execute even within the make-believe world of an editorial photoshoot.

Nonetheless, Lana's heightened intuition and Fi makes for a deeply romantic and poetic individual, her affect and appearance softer and more delicate (similar to EII). Perhaps this is why Talanov famously designated ESI as the proverbial bridge between the Gamma and Delta quadras.

More celebrity examples: Clairo (musician), FKA twigs (musician), Sky Ferreira (musician), Rian Phin (fashion commentator)

ESI-Se (Rihanna):

Unlike Lana, whose accentuated Ni crystallizes and hardens the refied emotional narratives of program Fi, Rihanna as a Harmonizer turns the focus away from her internal feelings and identity and adapts to the visceral needs of her audience. Due to heightened Se, her stage presence is more bold, her affect less potent, and sonically, she prioritizes the immediate pleasure and impact of the groove rather than formulating an elaborate storyline. As such, her career as a musician is defined by an uncanny ability to assimilate into any sound, genre, or texture, taking on a multitude of personalities from a high energy pop feature in Calvin Harris' This Is What You Came For to a vengeful diva in Bitch, Better Have My Money. Overall, there is an ambient and flighty quality to Rihanna as she successfully morphs into whatever image crafted by industry executives. Yet, as a consequence, she suffered from inconsistency and a loss of self, which culminated in the fierce reclamation of her identity in Anti, the final album of her discography. There, she wrote some of her most biting and impactful lyrics of to date:

Didn't they tell you that I was a savage?

Fuck your white horse and a carriage

Bet you never could imagine

Never told you you could have it

(Needed Me, Rihanna, 2016)

In fact, though it has not been officially verified, some fans speculate that Needed Me was a response to Drake, who at the 2016 VMA Awards, leaned in to kiss Rihanna. However, she swiftly dodged his romantic gesture to assert her autonomy through accentuated Se.

Finally, after years of being in spotlight as a high-octane pop performer, we can witness Rihanna's accentuated Te and Ti as an ESI-Se through her effortless transition to the business world, where she built a massive, billion-dollar beauty brand (Fenty Beauty and Fenty x Savage) in honor of her love for fashion and makeup. Moreover, in contrast to Lana Del Rey, whose suppressed Si and Se renders her appearance more subdued, elusive, and less refined and attuned to flashy visuals, Rihanna is deeply rooted in the fashion world as an icon, dominating the Met Gala and routinely seen sporting pieces from recent collections such as Jonathan Anderson's Dior and Connor Ives. While Lana recontextualizes the past using present terminology, Rihanna is firmly planted in the here and now, both emphemeral and omnipresent.

More celebrity examples: Britney Spears (musician), Justin Bieber (musician), Dua Lipa (musician)

Hi there. Found this little questionnaire that I thought was curious. I'd like to check if I'm right in thinking I'm an ILI. Would love some feedback.

1. Think of a person you find interesting, name 5-6 of their qualities. What qualities would make a person uninteresting? Are you an interesting person yourself?

The first thing that comes to mind is fictional characters. I like deep and unusual people and characters. Especially honest ones, who have something dark in them, negative traits in the eyes of most, but they keep them inside. I perceive this more abstractly, I feel the whole nature of this personality, so it's harder to name clear qualities for this. Right now the most interesting personality for me is a heroine from a visual novel, with whom I associate myself very much. Smart, introspective, thoughtful, lonely, calculating, with an inner dislike for the world. I don't think I can clearly name qualities that would make someone uninteresting. Unless that someone is just a complete copy of someone else, without their own traits? Though I think one can be interesting even in their uninterestingness. I can't judge myself whether I'm interesting. People say yes. But inside I feel a lot and nothing at the same time. Sometimes it seems there's emptiness inside me, and I've actually imagined too much about myself.

2. What do you first pay attention to when meeting a new person?

I don't meet people often. I'd guess it's appearance, their tone of voice, loudness, manner of speaking, to understand how much I need to be on guard with them, whether they're safe for me, whether they seem stronger than me, what the arrangement of us by conditional strength is.

3. Do you often run late? How do you feel about people who are late?

Not often. Actually, it seems like I'm late, that I have an interesting relationship with time, which I mentioned to a girl from my group, and she told me she doesn't remember me ever being late. Overall, I arrive on time, there are rare moments when I arrive right after the needed time, but that happens when I've misjudged the time, misunderstood the distance to the place. I have a habit of arriving early so I don't worry about not making it. At least I try to do that. In general, I'm pretty often right in my guesses about time. I'm not a fan of people being late myself. I can understand the reasons, but I can get irritated by it, it depends. Though most of the time it stresses me out.

4. What is coziness? What is comfort? How do they differ?

Honestly, I'm not sure what the exact difference is. I'd guess coziness is a state of the external environment, harmony of objects in it, arrangement, colors, something more physical. Comfort is a more internal state, less tied specifically to physical objects in reality. Though, to be honest, I perceived these words as synonyms.

5. How do you buy clothes? How do you understand what suits you and what doesn't?

I buy what seems aesthetic, suitable, for example, for the style I've chosen for myself. Right now more in y2k and gothic style. Actually, this understanding of style and clothing came to me relatively recently, before that I looked, to put it mildly, not great, in my opinion, when I was a child and teenager. I can't objectively assess very well what suits me and what doesn't, though sometimes it seems I'm literally an ambassador of good taste in clothing. My best friend said that and asked me to put together an outfit for her. And not only her. But I personally am not sure about what I'm doing, hoping that what I put on and choose suits each other and sits well on me. Deep down I think I don't understand whether it suits me, whether I look good. It's just a very desperate inner desire of a little girl to finally look beautiful. I also have problems assessing whether something is too tight on me, whether it fits or not by size, I can make mistakes.

6. What is a pleasant physiological sensation? What do you do to get pleasant sensations?

For me it's the opportunity to relax, forget about the burdens of the external world, close myself off and dissolve in space. It's something I like. For me it's banal but comfortable when there's simply nothing that's uncomfortable. Usually I'm not that attached to doing a lot of physical things for my comfort, though lately this topic has interested me, my friend introduced me to foundation, concealer, mascara, so I started using it. And then I started ordering different cosmetics out of interest, trying them, just bought eyeshadow. So it's not something natural for me, but something I can be taught. And I myself am just focused on being in a normal state without irritants.

7. What is an argument? In what cases and why do you argue? Can you change your mind, admit you're wrong?

An argument is a clash of people, opinions. I argue when I see someone saying stupid things that I disagree with, when I see a person is wrong. But I also don't do it with everyone. I assess how much this person can answer me and how, so I don't get a dangerous reaction for me. Maybe this can be considered as assessing the opponent by strength. I don't feel particularly strong, so I don't want to show it by losing an argument and not withstanding pressure from someone inadequate or confident. I can admit I'm wrong, but rarely, mostly with someone important to me, with whom I don't want to ruin the relationship. But most often I don't openly admit I'm wrong. I almost always consider myself right, so I have nothing to apologize for and change my mind about.

8. How do you behave when you need to fit into a new work team? How do you understand that you're already respected?

I usually don't fit in, but sit separately and do my own thing. It's others who can help me fit in, call me, help and approach. I don't do this myself because it's simply uncomfortable for me and not really needed. I always feel tension when I have to work with people, somehow present myself or unite. Usually I orient myself in terms of respect by the fact that I'm not ignored if I ask something, reach out for help, which I don't like doing and feel clumsy about. But I'm not sure that's a direct sign of respect. I haven't felt that I'm directly respected.

So, yes, I've finally watched this awesome series with my husband. I'm interested in typing discussions. You can include different socionics schools, but be polite please, and respectful, also towards SHS typings. I haven't read the books, so I'll focus only on the series. I know some characters have different personalities/ages in the books. Anyway. This is what I think about the characters:

Naomi Nagata - Beta NF

The problem is: she is too good at BOTH emotional/people stuff, and she's also a skilled (even genius) engineer. I'm sure Gulenko would type her as Beta NF (distancing EIE?) with strong ST preference - maybe some accentuation? In MBTI, she might be INFJ with well-developed Se. In Talanov's, I guess also some mix-type that combines emotional maturity and ability to influence others AND manual dexterity and interests in engineering. I still think she's too naturally good at ethical stuff to be seen as an ST type with great people skills. It's the opposite. She's a feeler first. Does not strike me as an SF type, though; there's too much humanitarian NF in her; and clearly a Se-valuing type.

Amos - SLE

My favorite character btw :>. Even looking from a Model A perspective, Fi Polr is obvious, plus sociopathic tendencies (I don't say SLEs are sociopaths ofc but Fi Polr may give that impression). He's too impulsive and a man of action rather than a thinker first (obvious ST, too) so I don't think he's LSI (also, LSI would have a better Fi and would come across as polite and more proper lol). Not scared of physical confrontations at all, good at using each situation to his advantage, following ethical types when it comes to morality (first shaped by the hostile environment of his childhood, later he follows Naomi and Holden's views of what it means to be a good guy. In Jungian typing, he'd be an Extraverted Sensing type even though he may be socially quiet.

Avasarala

OMG. EIE-D "queen of Earth". Great at emotional manipulation, power-hungry, mistress of puppets, "I solve problems by talking" kind of lady. Probably very hard to live with her at close distance, but NF women are not meant to focus on family life lol. Another great character in the show.

Holden

I don't know? I guess he was supposed to be an NF type (visions and humanitarian aspect), but I feel the actor is logical lol, so it blurs my experience of the character (I dislike it when ethical types are played by logicians and vice versa but what can we do). First I thought a typical LSI-C rescuer hero, but later there was just too much NF in him, so I don't know. If anyone who's into SHS knows his type, let me know. Could be the opposite situation like with Naomi - she's an ethical type with a developed sensory side; he could be ST who got some sort of T/Ni-accentuation (model G) or some NF influence in some other Socionics schools

Bobbie

I type her SLE. LOVED her interactions with Avasarala  - SLE-EIE interactions lol, and when Avasarala as an NF type, followed Bobbie's "orders" during a fight,, chef's kiss, also from socionics point of view.  I also enjoyed Bobbie's and Amos's dialogue in one of the last episodes: I thought, " oh, two SLEs talking"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeiaVl2F_YM

She's also an extraverted sensor in Jung; again too much of a woman of action to be LSI (as that's another possibility but no, look at Camina Drummer - she's the proper LSI, and compare her with Bobbie you see the difference). Could be LSI-SLE in Talanov's because there's a strong sense of duty and discipline, but still I see her more as an EP rather than IJ

Alex  - I don;t know I guess he was supposed to be an ethical sensor? But I don't know if the show convinced me he's one.

Camina Drummer - obvious LSI in all Socionics schools I guess I don't need to explain why, but in SHS LSI-DN. A great character

Anna Volovodov - now, this is the one I type EII! EII-D in SHS

Yes, I think she's an important Peripheral in that Central quadras Universe.

Strong humanitarian traits; empathetic and principled. Apart from using Fe in her speechcraft, she doesn't seem to use Fe in everyday life, so I'm still typing her EII rather than some other NF type better at showing Fe. She doesn't show much, maybe because the actress doesn't seem like a big Fe type either? She cares for the vulnerable and is also prone to self-doubt... I think she'll be EII in at least a few Socionics schools, including Talanov's

let's just quote her words to Clarissa:

"I didn't let him Amos kill you because I keep looking for a way to care about you"

to quote Wiki Expanse:

Key Personality Traits

Empathetic and Caring: She has a gentle, understanding disposition and naturally looks out for outcasts, the vulnerable, and anyone in distress. [1), 2]

Resolute and Unwavering: Though she advocates for peace and non-violence, she stands firm against corruption, manipulation, and aggression when ethics demand it (such as helping expose political corruption on Earth)

Her interactions with Amos (her conflictor) were also pretty interesting from the socioncis point of view.

Marco Inaros - narcissistic EIE-D what else to say? He doesn't deserve to write more

Filip Inaros - LSI (probably LSI-C, I think he dualises with his daddy)

There are ofc many more interesting characters like Clarissa, Ashford (I love him!), Okoye, Miller etc - feel free to type them as well.

So, since there will be a new Slayhem mode in 2027, i started to replay all the games starting from THH to refresh my emotions and memories.
I also used some of the characters from DR3 here, taking Chisa, Kyosuke, Juzo and Ryota cause IMO those characters who were newly introduced played the biggest role in the anime’s part plot, so…

Class 78/THH. Really interesting since the cast is prob one of, if not the most balanced in the series in terms of showing completely different values. Although interesting cause it makes characters to split into micro-groups, esp in the game itself, and the communication between the groups is unsteady and sometimes hard.

Class 77-B/GD/SDR2. The most “found family trope” class in the series. Gives the vibe of much more friendly, open, welcoming class even in the start of the game and before the anime. Also packed pretty tightly with Alpha and Delta, which is unusual since most animes and games like to use Beta or Gamma NT’s to spice the things up with the plot (hey there, Byakuya and Nagito I’m looking at the two of you). Also, that’s where characters like Nagito, Fuyuhiko and Mikan are making the cast to look more refreshing and makes the cast to look less “tame”, even though they’re still look remarkably sweet compared to of Class 78.

V3 cast. Once again, more balanced and less leaning into the goofiness of the class 77, for example, but still seems to be pretty light-hearted at least at the first glance. But it’s giving more vibes of the first game in sense of tension and hidden drama and conflicts amongst the characters. Seemingly normal guys go into even more craze than class 78. Wow. In a good sense.

Protagonists/MC’s:
Naegi Makoto – EII
Hinata Hajime – SLI
Kamukura Izuru – LSI
Akamatsu Kaede – ESE
Saihara Shuichi – LII / ILI (LII > ILI)
Naegi Komaru – IEE

ILE – Yamada Hifumi, Hanamura Teruteru, Kazuichi Souda, Kokichi Ouma, Iruma Miu
SEI – Rantaro Amami
ESE – Asahina Aoi, Owari Akane, Yukizome Chisa (DR3 anime), Monomi/Usami, Gokuhara Gonta (between SEI and ESE for Gonta)
LII – Kirigiri Kyoko, Nanami Chiaki, K1-B0/Keebo

EIE – Enoshima Junko, Monokuma, Genocider Syo, Komaeda Nagito, Hiyoko Saiyonji, Shirogane Tsumugi
LSI – Pekoyama Peko, Kirumi Tojo, Munakata Kyosuke (DR3 anime)
SLE – Owada Mondo, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu, Nidai Nekomaru, Sakakura Juzo (DR3 anime)
IEI – Maizono Sayaka, Tsumiki Mikan, Yumeno Himiko

SEE – Kuwata Leon, Momota Kaito
ILI – Ikusaba Mukuro, Fukawa Toko, Shinguji Korekiyo
LIE – Togami Byakuya, Celestia Ludenberg
ESI – Ogami Sakura, Harukawa Maki, Chabashira Tenko

IEE – Hagakure Yasuhiro, Mioda Ibuki, Yonaga Angie
SLI – Tanaka Gundham, Hoshi Ryoma
LSE – Ishimaru Kiyotaka, Koizumi Mahiru, Ultimate Imposter
EII – Fujisaki Chihiro, Sonia Nevermind, Mitarai Ryota (DR3 anime)

best furriends of 3 years already... joyous days! 🦄

on 1 october i asked people settled on their type to help pilot type finder, a longer socionics test, and promised to post the results back here. 145 of you finished it... thank you, genuinely

quick reminder of how it works: it doesn't sort you by dichotomies. it scores all 8 elements on how strong each one is for you and how much you value it, places them in model a, then asks a second round of questions aimed at the types it can't yet separate. you get a top 3 with a confidence band rather than one label

the numbers

- 77 people told me their type before starting. the test's top pick matched it 60% of the time, and their type was in the top 3 78% of the time

- for the 24 who'd held their type a year or more and were very sure: 67% top pick, 88% top 3

- guessing at random would get you 6% and 19%

- 27 people retook it a week or two later. 63% got the same top type and 93% landed inside their first top 3

- mirror mixups were rare, 6 of 77. that was the thing i was most worried about, so the second round seems to be earning its place

where it got things wrong

- it pulled towards sensing. 15 of 54 self-typed intuitives got a sensing type on top, only 2 of 23 sensors went the other way. SLI came out on top 21 times when only 3 people type themselves SLI

- extraverts drifted towards introvert types too (12 of 31), but there's no single cause i can find yet and the numbers are small

- the "likely" band did worse than "close call", so that label is overselling itself for now

i dug into the sensing pull and it was mostly three questions. each set an Ne answer against an Si answer, and the Si answer sounded like the obviously sensible thing to do, so intuitives picked it too. on one of them 17 of 21 Ne-valuing people chose the Si option. i've rewritten all three so both answers are equally reasonable

caveats

- this is agreement with self-typing, not proof of accuracy. self-typing is wrong a lot, that's half the reason the test exists

- most of you know the theory and could probably see what some questions were getting at, which flatters the numbers

- the sample was very intuitive-heavy, so per-type numbers are too small to mean anything

it's now out of pilot and open to anyone. link in the comments

Theatrical

Eccentric

Adapts to social norms

Loves psychology

Wants to change the world

Ambitious

Somewhat ambiverted (experiencing periods of both introversion and extraversion)

Fears acting impulsively, as it would strip him of objectivity

Fears being blinded by his own emotions

Wants to be loved

Integrates quite easily into any group

Hypochondriac

Extremely poor coordination

Loves sports, walking, and adrenaline in general

Dislikes impulsivity in others—viewing it as irrational—though he keeps this to himself

Constantly asks others for their take on his own opinions to ensure they are logical

Wants to create a fairer, more egalitarian world, while suspecting that this is likely impossible

Needs a grand mission to feel alive

Feels alive only when he is useful and helping others

Loves sad music and often bursts into tears while listening to it Struggles to express his own suffering to others unless doing so serves a purpose

Thinks a great deal about society, its values, and its current state

Adjusts his emotions based on the person or people he is with

Loves writing thrillers

Admires historical figures such as Napoleon Bonaparte, Alexander the Great, or Shakespeare

Fears missing out on all of life’s opportunities—and, consequently, failing at life itself

Requires intellectual stimulation

Can be easily swayed by a logical argument in the moment, though he may reflect on it more deeply later

May struggle to grasp a joke if it is too convoluted

Acts as a diplomat; frequently reminds his father to tailor his speech to the people he is addressing

Does not believe in good and evil

Does not truly trust people

Considers the potential for failure whenever he makes a plan Adopts the mindset that "anyone going to war shouldn't expect to win it—that’s the surest way to lose."

Struggles to spot an object he’s been sent to fetch, even when it’s right in front of him.

Loves to dance and uses operatic gestures to express his joy.

Generally accepts what is widely acknowledged; while he may question subjective matters, he readily accepts scientifically established facts as true.

Seeks out as much information as possible on a given subject to hone his skills and ensure he can be effective in his endeavors.

Builds relationships with others with ease.

Is not always certain of his own feelings.

Also lives by the "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" mentality.

Hi guys. I was typed by Jack Aaron as EII, in WSS's adaptation of model A, and Gulenko typed me as LSI-CH, obviously in model G. I'm an Enneagram 6, not sure what wing. I don't know what to make of these two typings in conjunction, other than that I have big introverted rational vibes. Happy to answer any questions or provide further info that might help figure this out. I know a lot about the theory but am still a bit lost re my own type in SCS or SWS (I think Gulenko was probably correct in SHS).

I was discussing the Kalika Purana with a Hindu friend of mine last night and I couldn't help but make this parallel. Shiva(IEI) and Kali(SLE) are mythological duals.

urgent. ⚠️

i cannot fcking type my best friend of 12 years.

it's very important you consider every single word i say. i'm gonna offer a lot of detail. if you give me a worthy response that i find genuinely insightful, i swear on my life i'll paypal you $10.

my best guess is ILI. walk with me.

socially, she has a pretty steady baseline energy. much prefers to not hangout in big groups. not in a socially anxious way, but just can't be bothered, too much hassle, too much movement, and she's pretty much entirely uninterested. but, she's extremely likeable. she's so weird that i always wonder if she is received so well because she is good looking. i have to constantly fight people off my best friend. legit everyone loves her when they meet her. she's funny and deadpan, but just has a very steady baseline, no theatrics. has lots of meme and troll in her. very controversial sense of humour. she looks very animated sometimes when she talks, she can be very expressive verbally in small spurts. loves a good fleshed out, beat-the-dead-horse, psychoanalyzing, enriching conversation one on one. but mostly, socializing in groups is a hassle for her. i'd say whether or not she is "drained" after spending a long time w people can fluctuate. more often than not, she feels beat. get her drunk as fk, and she's READY TO GO ANYWHERE! TROLL THE WHOLE NIGHT LONG! though, getting her to attend a place where there's drinking and people..... well.... like i said... it's a hassle. she will turn down a group hangout nine times out of ten. when she attends that one time, it's because you had to beg for a week or even month beforehand. she goes out drinking maybe 2-3 times a year, no exaggeration. it's genuinely a rare and special occasion when she comes out. she doesn't care for most people, she describes it as "they're just not her type of people." she hates to fake laugh. sometimes, when i'm texting her, i realize i've said too much, put too much expectation on her plate, proposed too grand of an event or hangout, and i instantly know the moment i've scared her back into her shell LMAO. the read receipts stop coming. and i gotta coax her back out, someway or another.

this girl is extremely perceptive when it comes to patterns and how things can/will develop. she's genuinely like an all-seeing eye. it's like when you're talking to her, telling her about a situation, her eyes slightly narrow in thought, she's nodding her head, she's asking clarifying questions for more context, and piece by piece, she is building this crazy accurate landscape painting in her head of what's "really" going on. and she will somehow with almost 100% accuracy always predict the outcome of something. i hate it sometimes LOL. like, every detail matters to her. she's extremely solution oriented. one thing about her: she's gonna solve your fcking problem. she can forecast anything, it's like she runs a simulation of probabilities and outcomes in her head, and so quickly too. these conclusions come to her at lightspeed, like it took no effort to diagnose your problem. it's almost prophetic. it makes her a very reliable person to ask for advice, or clarity. you cannot vent to her without her planting ways to solve your problem, or ways you can reframe or look at something differently to achieve your desired result. this can be abrasive, because she's not one to soothe or coddle: she will give you her opinion whether you ask her for it or not, or whether or not you would like to hear it. it's not always the most comforting. she is a self proclaimed realist. she uses what has happened previously and what is happening now as her data, and she plugs it all into the program in her brain, and she spits out a result. don't get me wrong, she can absolutely see nuance and other possibilities, but a lot of her forecasts are rooted in what she believes to be "objective reality". she's a big fan of playing the cards you're dealt.

now that i'm thinking about it, everybody that ever meets her becomes obsessed with her in some capacity. she doesn't speak to many people on a regular basis, she has her selected group of miscellaneous people from different parts of her life. ask any one of them: they'll say she's their soulmate (which pisses me off because i'm possessive and i know it). things i've heard people say about her (including myself): "she's one of a kind," "the most interesting person [they've] ever met," "sure of herself," "she's so cool i wanna be her when i grow up," "she's so amazing," "best manager ever," the list genuinely goes on. her most prominent quality is her authenticity, she genuinely DGAF what anybody thinks. she can be vain, but this oscillates between "i'm the best" to "i'm a gay loser." most people kind of find themselves in this weird cat and mouse limbo with her; they kinda just orbit her space, admiring from afar, dreaming of a deeper friendship with her that she just likely won't permit, but it's still nice to know her. she's like a cat, her affection is not for everyone, so when she chooses you, it means more.

god at this point i'm sounding like i'm glazing, but this girl is so well-rounded that she considers everything. it's like all factors of all situations (other people's feelings, logical reasoning, her own feelings, social atmosphere, what is likely to produce the best outcome, etc etc) are just all the pieces of her program, and they all amalgamate into one overarching string of code. it's all weighing information against each other. it fluctuates and is versatile. there is no one correct way to approach anything universally, because everything is so different and calls for a different way of thinking. i'd say, she's big on impersonal reasoning. she is a truth dealer (ask her philosophically, though, and she will say: "the truth is that there is no truth"). she can be skilled with delivery, however. she can, for the most part, understand how hard she should or should not press when it comes to truth dealing. her audience does matter, especially if it is an acquaintance. but even when she is blunt or straightforward with an acquaintance, they somehow know it doesn't come from a bad place, because she is a formidable intellectual to most. like, for example, my other friend told her one time: "you always look like your gears are turning, you're always assessing and judging and reading me, and somehow i don't feel offended, i just want to know what you think of me and what you see." massively paraphrased of course.

for somebody she knows well, and is comfortable around: look TF out. she will not hesitate to say exactly what she means, exactly what she deems to be the truth, and she will only follow it with a, "sorry, it's just the truth" if she sees it's not taken well. her personal convictions are based around what she believes to be the truth, or UNJUST. this girl loathes injustice of any kind. it can give her a pessimistic view of society and community.

this girl influences a room without trying. it makes me so confused about her Fe. it might be the point of most tension for my ILI diagnosis of her. so bear with me, this portion is lengthy. while it's extremely obvious she's not a Fe base or even Fe creative, she can move people deeply with hardly any effort at all. whether or not it's intentional is hard to place. she is a rather deep soul. she can connect with people of her choice because she is extremely intelligent and sees every human being uniquely. she judges the behaviour of others harshly, while simultaneously considering why someone might act that way. but, tread lightly, because the script can flip pretty abruptly: understanding someone's background does not EVER excuse someone's behaviour for her. she's a tough critic. one mishap from somebody and she is GOOD OFF THEM FOREVER. never met a grudge holder like her in all my twenty six years. one thing about her... i've seen her give maybe 1 or 2 second chances in all my years knowing her. she is NOT gonna foster a relationship with somebody she finds distasteful, immature, outrageous, or even just annoying. she can manage cordiality... but you WILL feel the distance she puts between you. you're banned to "arms length" forever. she can at times be quite naturally expressive. she truly can animate and be silly and loving at any moment, but most often she reserves that for those she feels comfortable with. around strangers, you will totally see her bottle right up. she's not even uncomfortable, really, it's just like suddenly the stage is not set just right for her to blossom at full capacity. she's still funny and rather nonchalant - seems at ease - but it's not the same as a 1-on-1 with her. she doesn't let just anybody know everything about her. she detests social media. she has little to no social media presence, she doesn't think everybody needs a glimpse into her life, or to "sell" herself, or a desired image of herself. so, while she can be relatively open and easy to talk to and bond surface-level with, she generally is deeply private. there's kinda no such thing as "TMI" with her. how can i explain someone as judgmental yet so NONjudgmental? you immediately, upon meeting her, feel like there's nothing you can't tell her, because she's extremely candid and carefree with personal and embarrassing details. but there are a trillion more things extremely mysterious about her, and she certainly keeps 75% of herself close to her chest, and nobody is really aware of that fact. she shares selectively, but even That seems so transparent and like So much. most would probably describe her as an "open book", perhaps even she herself would say that, but in all reality, theres deep parts that she wouldn't really care to share with the general public. so it is hard to pinpoint whether she's truly EXPRESSIVE or more restrained. it's definitely selective.

when somebody she cares about becomes visibly emotional, she SPRINGS into action. she is LOYAL and protective of those she deems close. she does want to come across as someone who cares deeply. however, she has explicitly told me that her attentiveness is selfish, because she gets satisfaction from remedying someone's troubles. she will offer the most attentive listening ear, REALLY listen to you, but she is really just hungry to hear your perspective and try to fix it. or to find out what terrible person potentially hurt you so that she can viciously hate them for the rest of her life, and also try to convince you to hate them too, so that you're less susceptible to their maliciousness going forward. you would never get the impression that she's TRULY irritated and uncomfortable with your emotional display. she'd never do that to somebody while they're vulnerable. but, this is all assuming she cares about you. if she doesn't care about you, maybe you wouldn't get the same treatment. if she offers you real advice, and you don't take it, and remain stagnant and miserable, she really doesn't like that. when people don't try to fix their problems, she kinda loses respect for them. she hates to see wasted potential, for sure, but mostly she can too easily deem somebody an immoveable object, a lost cause, and think less of them and their inability to take action. she understands change is uncomfortable, but can't stand when people refuse to be uncomfortable. something something neitzsche something something sartre or whatever she's always on about. (understatement of the century...)

she is conflict savvy. in the face of monkey-like rage: she seriously will not entertain it. she might even make fun of you. dare i say she may even start trolling you, if time permits. like, she doesn't do the whole brawl and scream and fight thing. she is not really scared of anybody. she almost holds an air of like... "i'm seriously not stooping to this level, get your shit together" type thing. an emotional display such as "raging" or getting "belligerent" is enough for her to scrap you forever. she thinks it's cringe. say goodbye, because she won't subject herself to that behaviour. she can be rather blunt and assertive at times, holding firm boundaries, but mostly it's hard to find yourself in a situation where you're SERIOUSLY butting heads with her. she genuinely just doesn't have an aura about her that is TRULY combative... she can talk her way in or out of anything. she is a reasoner and defuser. there isn't something that she can't explain or clarify away. she's often so easygoing that nothing really chafes her to the point of a fight. its obvious she tries to live as stress free of a life as possible. if someone challenges her authority, competence, opinions or personal boundaries, she stands quite firm. she honestly attributes a lot of disrespect and other belligerence to the incompetence of others. kinda like, "it's not my fault you are like this. you are lowkey just of a lower consciousness than me." she can, in the face of disrespect or lying or laziness or any other sort of challenge another human being may impose on her, be like: "it seems you have bigger problems that have nothing to do with me. best of luck." she can certainly impose her will, when need be, but she's never a stone-cold iron-fist imposition on another person, but rather someone who articulates, convinces, suggests, or otherwise coerces. she's actually incredible at persuasion, and it's never nefarious or intentionally manipulative, but as i stated before, she's a truth dealer and problem solver. she's FARRRR more likely to ignore and ghost you forever than pursue a conflict with you. like, if you haven't earned a spot at the Forever Table, and you do something she doesn't like... you've signed your own death certificate. you will likely not hear from her again. she is sharp tongued when need be. she is a masterful insulter, should the situation require it. i've seen things push this girl into a blackout rage on a couple occasions. but she's usually taking the high road, and bitching after the fact to myself or someone else. too much of a hassle.

i wouldn't say this girl is particularly organized, and i wouldn't say she has flawless task completion. don't ask her to adhere to a routine she doesn't like, or that she finds to be a hassle. she keeps it pretty simple, and doesn't like when her simplicity is interrupted. honestly, don't ask her to arrange or plan anything. planning trips with her? no... talk to her girlfriend. specific times, dates, plans, all go thru the wifey. literally, if you try to make big weekend plans with her a few months in advance, her eyes will glaze over as you speak, and she will sigh, and say, "text my wife." it's kinda a running joke. she will show up, but she doesn't wanna plan it. she doesn't want to worry what to pack. tell her what money is to be sent, what preparations there are to be made, and she will abide, but don't make her plan it. lol. i definitely wouldn't call her spontaneous as an absolute; there's a method to her madness.

she can be forgetful of the smallest things, but will simultaneously memorize, with inhuman precision, every last detail of a book she read, or a philosophy she has learned, etc etc. don't try to tell her how something went down a few days ago: she will come at you with mental receipts fashioned into a detailed play by play of how things REALLY panned out. and she's right every time.

i'd say she's really aware of her own physical comfort a lot of the time, like tags irritating her in her clothing, being too hot or too cold, she HATESSSSSSS being sick. like, omg, this girl can't do anything when she's sick. can't eat, can't sleep, can't do anything. she's rendered useless. but, SHE WILL BE AT WORK, YOU CAN COUNT ON THAT. THIS GIRL COULD GET BOTH HER LEGS CHOPPED OFF, STARVE FOR THREE DAYS, AND STILL FIND A WAY TO WORK HER SHIFT. even so, she is very vocal about physical discomfort. physical appearance as well, though, this too oscillates between "oh my god i look ugly and greasy my life is about to explode" and "i do not care at all what i look like even 1%." she can be quite oblivious if she feels safe, is focused, and lets her alertness take a backseat. in public, she can be more perceptive. but lowkey... this girl can be so clumsy. she either has the most sharp spatial awareness (her hand-eye coordination is lowkey off the charts) or be constantly back to back hitting her limbs off of things and tweaking balls when it hurts lol.

oh, and, she don't really do physical activity of any sort. don't ask her to go for a walk, she will laugh. offer to rewatch attack on titan with her for the seventh time, though, and she's at your doorstep before you can finish giving her the invite.

final statement: state your hypothesis and explain your reasoning. i want FULL DIAGNOSTIC ESSAY with CITATIONS in MLA FORMAT. thank you. there is $10 on the table.

don't come for me saying the 'girl boss' is too LIE I don't want to hear it!! lol if you have beef with it go argue with Beskova https://wikisocion.github.io/content/profile_beskova.html#sle-beskova

IEI Male coming soon

I saw a lot of different types for him, I saw SEE, ESI, EIE, SLE. What are your opinion ?

If someone is highly perceptive of what could go wrong or how someone's character could develop or potentially be in a different context or scenario, is this high or low Ne? It sounds conscious and inert to me. Very perceptive to alternatives and how one person or object could be in a different environment. But it's more about potentially negative outcomes instead of potentially good outcomes. It sounds too high dimensional for Ne polr. It also sounds too paranoid for Ne creative.

I've read up on the basics, took a test, investigated the type it gave me more thoroughly, yadda yadda. The description resonated a lot with me, but not necessarily in the superficial sense.

My big interest in the whole topology scene or whatever is the enneagram. That's the one I've studied deeply, I'm definitely confident in my typing there. I actually found out about socionics through the enneagram sub, mostly from randoms popping in and asking "can SEI/LII/LSI/XYZ be a 2/4/7/69???"

Over time with the natural overlap in typology communities, I kept seeing a theme pop up re: my enneagram type (8) and Ne-dom being an impossible/unlikely combo. Having read Jung's OG descriptions, the ones that only included a single function per "psychological type", I knew (based on those descriptions at least)... That's me, Mr. Ne.

I got ILE-2Ne on the test I took. Read the description, and like I said, it resonates. Seems to fit, at least in terms of how I experience myself internally. But when it comes to the more sort of interpersonal/behavioral descriptions, stuff like "how they come across", "what they're like in relationships", etc. I'm not as sure.

However, I (somewhat) ran into the same issue with enneagram initially. I'm a SO-dom/SP-repressed 8w7, with strong 5 and 2 fixes. I've also done a lot of therapy and all that, so. Generally speaking, I don't fit a lot of the stereotypes.

Which all just has me curious to hear from some people who know this system better than I currently do. How much weight would you say goes to specific interpersonal styles and/or behavioral patterns, as opposed to descriptions of the overall cognitive tendencies? How much variation is accounted for, either as a naturally occurring phenomenon or the result of effortful psychological growth?

Gimme your thoughts, if you're feeling it. My curiosity is piqued, and I've combed the dry text enough for now. I'd like to hear some more (informed) personal takes.

I read duality descriptions and it’s so hopeful and beautiful but it simultaneously also feels like this (gif attached) all of the time and I’m wondering if SLIs truly do enjoy our shenanigans and eccentricity or is that just in theory? 😭 I’m especially worried about first appearances in this case. Before I even knew about socionics I did kind of naturally gravitate towards SLI energy and I saw their personalities as very attractive but also VERY foreign like they’re from an entirely different planet. Does this go both ways?? I feel like I exude massive IEE energy and I get seen as very weird and overtly friendly at times. When I make up an imaginary SLI in my head and try to see through their eyes it feels like I’m looking at some weirdo crazy person. Do you guys naturally have an instant pull to your dual too or is it something that takes more time for you guys?? There’s a lot of cool SLI people I know but I just feel like they wouldn’t fw me because I’m so different from them

Please refrain from debating people about politics in the comments, and be respectful when explaining your views. I’m asking purely out of curiosity because I’ve noticed that certain Socionics types seem to align with certain political ideologies, and I’m interested in exploring whether there are any patterns. I’m not looking to start political arguments! :)

Edit: Guys, I literally learn nothing from you saying left-wing, right-wing, or centrist. Those labels alone tell me very little about your actual political views 😭 Also, please explain why you align with a particular ideology when commenting, or don’t comment at all.

you might be thinking "op, why did you put two dogs, they're just dogs-" let me explain.

for ESI:

kangal, a dog breed from turkiye, is one of the most loyal and dangerous dog breeds in the world. the first photo is pretty much ESI for me. it's taken after a wolf attack. kangal protected his pack. and the lamb is just thanking him. trust me, they're the embodiment of fi-se.

and swans. you might think they're just peaceful, but believe me they're not if you try to threaten them, or worse their spouse. so territorial, and jealous of their spouses. and they fall in love once.

for LIE:

albatros, them birds are not playing. they're monogamous, and they simply refuse to use more energy than necessary. they fly using the wind, not their wings. they fly for years without settling down. very si polr of them. also plus points for aura farming

and coyotes. these dudes never give up. you destroyed their habitats? too bad they already find an easier and more profitable way to eat food somewhere else. they just started another food chain for that too. they're relentless te-ni. also they don't really seek comfort, they just find somewhere to sleep, then they keep moving.

So, as the title implies, could you please rank me all of the socionics which can be ENTP MBTI?