r/DebateCommunism • • May 30 '25

📢 Announcement Introductory Educational Resources for Marxism-Leninism

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Hello and welcome to r/DebateCommunism! We are a Marxist-Leninist debate sub aiming to foster civil debate between all interested parties; in order to facilitate this goal, we would like to provide a list of some absolutely indispensable introductory texts on what Marxism-Leninism teaches!

In order of accessibility and primacy:

Manifesto of the Communist Party (or in audio format)

The 1954 Soviet Academy of Sciences Textbook on Political Economy

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam’s Textbook “The Worldview and Philosophical Methodology of Marxism-Leninism”


r/DebateCommunism • • Mar 28 '21

📢 Announcement If you have been banned from /r/communism , /r/communism101 or any other leftist subreddit please click this post.

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r/DebateCommunism • • 10h ago

🍵 Discussion Workers Outmanuvered?

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In The Communist Manifesto and Marxist theory as I understand it capitalists create the conditions to destroy themselves by forming a working class which through class consciousness can effectively become aware of its own interests and act in its mutual interests against the bourgeoisie by socializing the means of production. Because the working class actually controls production it has leverage that it could use through things like striking and great strike which Sorel argued for.

What I am seeing right now is that the working class has been thoroughly outmaneuvered and that power is actually in the hands of the bourgeoisie. This is from a Western perspective. First,take a look at what wealthy corporations have done. They have outsourced to countries with poor labor conditions and law protections. This reduces the power and influence of workers and unions in Developed nations manufacturing and factory roles because corporations are no longer reliant on them. Thus, they have to compete not only with other workers but also with people corporations bring in cheap labor with lower standards for care and payment. (not that they are bad people for pursuing their own intrests)

Next, there is also AI. AI is a great thing for corporations and the bourgeoisie because it allows them to replace workers along with all their benefits and pay with machines that they do not have to give any payroll or concern to. Actually it allows the Buergoise to control more of the means of production as AI industries and outsourcing commence. The Western working class, or the working class in the developed world is getting less and less power and less control over the means of production.

Could this mean that even if the working class were to make a general strike we have been outmaneuvered and have no leverage because of AI outsourcing and the destruction of our unions? In this way is communist theory now outdated in the modern age? Should we put into doubt marxism statement of worker power? How would we actually revolt without our levrage. If corporations suceed in devloping a general intellgence then it will be the buergoeise who own and controll the means of production and everyone else will become debt slaves.

In other words not only does a strike have to happen in the developed world but also in the exploited developing countries her to be successful if a strike were to happen tomorrow would it actually have any effect.


r/DebateCommunism • • 23h ago

🤔 Question Educate me

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Im uneducated, I know communism on theory and without acknowledging the right wing propaganda I just dont understand it, how and why would it even work, so please educate me cause all I can find is contradictory and most communist I talked to are biased and treat their ideology as if they were kpop fans.

What is the principles, objective and procedure of communism and why is it better than for example a social democracy.


r/DebateCommunism • • 4h ago

🍵 Discussion why would family be a private matter in communism when nothing else is?

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so i’ve seen a lot of questions about the abolition of family and the views marx and engels had about family matters. i haven’t seen anyone ask this specific question though. in capitalism currently, family is a private matter unless it is abusive and unhealthy, so social workers get involved.

i don’t think that family matters should remain private in communism because abuse could still continue and much of what we see today (unhealthy people, child abuse, relationship abuse), is caused by abuse that happens in secret and that then affects those being abused and the way they act in society.

should family’s not be checked on or helped when such things happen?

it would be much healthier for society and individuals to have communal help with children; to make sure they’re being cared for properly and ensure that the parents are able to continue caring for their children in a healthy way. as well as ensuring that no abuse or exploitation between partners is happening.

it would also lighten the load of parental responsibility because they could have extra help with children if needed.

so really what i’m wondering is why, if everything else in communism is collective and communal, why would family be private?

(i posted this in r/communism101 but apparently my question was seen as a debate rather than me trying to learn from experts on communism so here we are.)


r/DebateCommunism • • 19h ago

📖 Historical Is this really happened or not?

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I saw this in several places

"Joseph Stalin sent many assasin to kill Josip broz Tito. Then Tito send a letter to stalin threatening " Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle… If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second." And then stalin didn't sent anyone again

Is this really happened or some false propaganda?


r/DebateCommunism • • 21h ago

🤔 Question Recommended Book

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Do you have any books—whether on communism or other topics—that you’d recommend? I’m French, but I find that books like *Capital* and so on are pretty vague when it comes to what happens after the revolution and how to establish a state that isn’t authoritarian like Stalin’s. A more contemporary book


r/DebateCommunism • • 1d ago

🍵 Discussion When will the left finally crush the bourgeoisie? That was their fundamental promise, yet as far as I can see, the bourgeoisie are still thriving and their privilege is only expanding, not shrinking.

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r/DebateCommunism • • 1d ago

🍵 Discussion Exception Marxist-Leninists, all other factions seem to enjoy playing a little game of theater with the authorities.

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You perceive social instability, so you call for a protest, and notify the government. The authorities send in a few undercover cop. The press then reports that it was, inevitably, a riot incited by looters. Rinse and repeat


r/DebateCommunism • • 1d ago

🍵 Discussion Question for mls

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I've had this thought recently that if a communist (specifically an ml) revolution was to happen, why should i as a non-ml communist fight for it if ml countries have a history of elimanating non-mls?


r/DebateCommunism • • 1d ago

📰 Current Events Communism and Nazy public symbols

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I'm gonna talk here about what happens in Europe (since I am an east european) when it comes to public symbols regarding these two regimes/ideologies. And what I noticed is that the West of the Europe is very pro radical left, and they display communist symbols freely everywhere (as they should be since we live in democracies). But as we all know the communist regimes all around the world are guilty for serious crimes against humanity. So why isn't the communist symbol forbidden just as the nazy ones? What do u think, should they be?


r/DebateCommunism • • 2d ago

🤔 Question Questions on Communism from Book

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Hi, I’m fairly uneducated on Communism and am interested in many of its tenets. I recently got a sort of primer on it from this book I’m reading. Only it can be a bit vague and is a fair bit outdated.

I would post a picture of it, but idk how. It’s Revolutionary Cuba by Terence Cannon.

Mainly I am curious about how the benefits of Communism are presented in the modern day especially with the arguments from other camps, which Western media is quite inundated with. The book describes a lot of the victories over classism and imperialism as the end all be all, but modern Cuba isn’t politically “free”in a few ways, namely It doesn’t have a fully democratic system where people vote for their leader. In that case, what is the argument for that version of communism?

Sorry if this is incorrect for the subreddit. I mean it as a genuine question from an uninformed standpoint.


r/DebateCommunism • • 2d ago

🗑️ It Stinks Why is Communism Widely Supported Among the Western Left When Modern and Historical Communist (Socialist) Countries Have Been Socially Regressive?

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Something that puzzles me is that Communism is widely advocated among the Western Left, but every Communist (Socialist) country I can think of supresses the social ideals of these same people.

For instance, concepts like free speech or multi-party elections are seen as "bourgeois" constructs. Individual rights are subordinate to the collective ideal. Freedom of religion and conscience is tightly controlled. The death penalty is practiced, LGBTQ rights are suppressed, mass surveillance is practiced, movement is restricted ... there's a whole litany of rights the Left cherishes that would be quashed under any historical or contemporary Communist regime.

Does the Left simply envision a more perfect Communism that they would succeed in implementing, in spite of such a regime never having taken root before? Why does the Western Left think their Communism will preserve the rights they hold dear when no Communist country ever has?


r/DebateCommunism • • 4d ago

🍵 Discussion Communism

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Socialism has its place at the levels it currently exists at now, slightly less perhaps. The majority of those that support Communism and socialism beyond what exists today generally fall into one of the categories below.

  1. Lazy, envious, under achievers, often bong smokers, that would rather bring their peers down to their level, than lift themselves up from it. They make themselves feel better about their failure at life by saying the system is broken.

  2. Naive fools that mean well but are persuaded to stupidity by the group above

And then there's the other side,

Sensible people that can see what's happened in history and understand basic human psychology enough to know that history would repeat and we would all be worse off - slaves to a government and communist elite that enforces the oppressive ideology.

Prove me wrong.


r/DebateCommunism • • 5d ago

🍵 Discussion Deteroation a Flawed Idea

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There are two systems: one on paper and one in practice. Much is said about the invisible hand and how a competitive market would create the cheapest products of the highest quality for the lowest price by the nature of competition. But in reality, firms often work together, merge, or cooperate competitively because it is better for a corporation to keep prices high and product quality as low as possible to maximize profits.

But I see the same discrepancy within socialist states. Firstly, on the path to communism, there is socialism, which, as I understand it, is supposed to lead to communism, a moneyless, classless, and stateless society. As Engels and Marx argued, they are supposed to achieve this through a revolution in which a dictatorship of the proletariat takes control of the means of production by force, puts the proletariat in power, and eventually allows the state to wither away. But Marxist theory is flawed in that he never describes how this transition will happen.

No socialist state has ever really withered away. Power always remains, and many people will say that this is because of Western interference or siege socialism. However, I doubt this, simply because of the history of détente. The Cold War was not a continuous state of tension. It reached high points (the Cuban Missile Crisis), but after détente began in the late 1960s, relations improved, culminating in the SALT treaties limiting arms in 1972, and reprochment between china and the west, a gradual easing of tension. Much of Cold War history was relatively peaceful (for the Global North). To prove this, we can look at trade relations between China and the West. After the 1960s and into the 1970s, the communist and capitalist worlds were more interested in coexistence and trade than mutual destruction. States like Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, and India, for instance, never saw as much Western interference (in coups or instability), and in Yugoslavia's case, it became a trade nexus between the nascent EU and the Warsaw Pact.

Arguably socialist Chinese and the capitalist world are arguably extremely interdependent now. If capitalism and the socialist worlds only exist in antagonism, with capitalists wanting to destroy them at any opportunity, then why would the West help invest and trade with China during the period around 1978 and invest in its markets, building up Chinese industry in manufacturing (Nixon's rapprochement with China in 1972), etc.? Or why would they engage in arms limiting treaties together, the ISS, or joint research, etc.? Towards the late Cold War, leaders like Gorbachev and Bush were more interested in coexistence than annihilation. Also remember that China split with the Soviets around 1960, with even some border clashes in 1969. During that period, isolated from the Soviets and the West, from Korea, China actually traded a lot with Japan, its former colonizer, a capitalist country (achieved record growth during the Japanese economic miracle from the mid-1950s to the 1970s.)

The failure of the Great Leap Forward and China's sluggish economic growth in the 1960s and 1950s showcase the limits of centralized state planning of the economy, as Mao's campaigns against nature and the state's outlandish production targets led to large scale lying, like at Dazhai https://www.jstor.org/stable/188965 China's GDP graphs support this argument. The Third Front and heavy handed state planning under Mao hurt Chinese economic growth, and it didn't start to accelrate and outpace pouplation growth and begin to become that manufacturing giant until the 1980s, when Deng Xiaoping opened the economy. Without at least some markets or any currency at all, governments don't have price indicators to measure or allocate the value of goods and services. This is why no state, not even socialist ones, has gotten rid of currency or money, and those that try are burned by the experience, like the Soviet experiment.

Wait, hold on. I am not saying that freer markets necessarily lead to more economic growth. Take Japan and its economic growth during the Japanese economic miracle. This can be explained partly by the iron triangle, with bureaucrats, politicians, and businessmen working together. The Japanese government limited certain imports through import substitution policies and focused on developing domestic industry. It used government policy to protect domestic industries from foreign competition while making targeted investments in the private sector to rebuild and develop the Japanese economy. This is called an import substitution strategy, but Japan was also heavily involved in export-led growth strategies. Likewise, China's opening up isn't a vindication of free markets. The Chinese government still controlled the vast majority of industry; most companies aren't publicly traded or open to shareholders. It's a bank-led system, and the Chinese government heavily subsidized industries and levied tariffs to build up infant industries. While China certainly isn't communist, it is close to state socialism, but it does have markets. Market firms are the minority compared to state led enterprises, though few state-led companies have a monopoly.

The United States isn't as free market as we think. The state also plays a significant role in its economy. Look at corn subsidies or the Jones Act, which protects domestic shipping and supports the American maritime industry. Or look at how much money we put into oil, corn, or soybeans, or simply imperialism as market interference with other nations. The United States is not a libertarian free market economy.

In fact, it is interesting that most developed economies, like France, Germany, China, Japan, and the US, rely heavily on the state to influence how capital is allocated through stock markets, bond markets, banks, and other financial institutions, or simply on subsidies and tariffs for their firms to remain internationally competitive and for the economy to be diversified. The same is true of South Korea and, in a different way, China. Their governments were heavily involved in the economy, and state planning played a role in subsidizing and supporting industries. Japan, for example, has historically relied heavily on bank financing for capital allocation.

Meanwhile, developing countries face pressure to lower tariffs and liberalize their economies through international trade agreements and institutions. This can limit their ability to protect emerging industries while they attempt to compete with established manufacturers. As a result, some resource exporting countries remain dependent on exporting raw materials rather than developing higher value manufacturing industries, limiting how much of the final value they capture. Countries such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Namibia rely significantly on natural resources. Here is an article about how the Imf tearing down of trade barriers hurts the Global South through structural adjustment: https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2024/04/29/structural-adjustments-complex-legacy-in-sub-saharan-africa/

However, economic exploitation is not unique to capitalism. Consider the Soviet Union and its empire, where Moscow exercised considerable economic and political influence over other socialist states and territories. We can also look at the United States and the United Fruit Company, including American intervention against governments that threatened the company's interests or attempted to nationalize its assets. Economic imperialism is not exclusive to capitalism, because an economy in which the state controls capital allocation can also be imperialistic. The Soviet Union's relationship with Mongolia provides another example of how a state socialist power could exercise economic and political dominance over another country.

China is a form of state socialism that controls much of its industry and banking. The government has significant power over banks, corporations, and private industry. In contrast, in the United States, corporations and their lobbyists often have the upper hand. Nevertheless, there is a strong relationship of interdependence between the socialist Chinese state and the capitalist West. This is to say that not all socialist and capitalist relations are antagonistic, as we can also see with Yugoslavia and India.

Mao disagreed with Marx's idea that socialism would eventually lead to a classless society. In practice, even when workers are supposed to control the means of production, things are more complex. Take China, for instance. In the beginning, under Mao, workers were very enthusiastic because they felt validated by the system and believed they had real power over the country's economic planning. But as Chinese socialism developed, especially during the Great Leap Forward in the late 1950s, more power came into the hands of bureaucrats who set extreme production targets. This contributed to one of the worst famines in history.

In the Soviet Union as well, there was little to no meaningful worker input into economic planning, with most power concentrated in the managerial and bureaucratic class. In a way, Marxist Leninist single party states seem to substitue the capitalist class with a managerial or bureaucratic class and the poltical party. Abolishing markets doesn't abolish hierarchy or class, as Mao argued. While in idea the workers control the means of production, in practice, a representative of the Socialist or Communist Party will control the means of production in the name of the workers, and the means of production will be controlled by the state. Power is in the hands of party officials, the Politburo, etc., not in the hands of the workers (as seen in the Soviet Union or China).

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2158775

Marxists and Communists want to achieve communism and a moneyless, classless society, but within the process, there is a very, very serious roadblock that has yet to be overcome.

While the idea is that there should be a dictatorship of the proletariat, in reality, most socialist states have been under the control of a single figure, such as Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, or Enver Hoxha in Albania and their cults of personality. The dictatorship of the proletariat usually means the supremacy of a Leninist party led by a strongman because the collective working class isn't a physcial thing, it's an abstraction (but no less poweful), and thus needs a leader or representative, and those leaders will compete for power, resulting in purges like Stalin's Great Purge of rivals and restriction of free speech or state criticism, usually justified to protect the revolution but usually just serving the interests of the vanguardist leader.

If the socialist nation relies on the state for everything for capital allocation, production targets, resources, and loyalty and you have a Leninist political party like the PRC or the Bolsheviks that has an obvious interest in maintaining its new power, then why would we ever expect the state to wither away? Once the revolutionary party has power, it becomes the new establishment. Thus, you have a paradox: to change the state, you have to form a state. So how can you abolish a state without a state?

Eventually, the interests of the state and party managers will conflict with the workers and people, just like how in capitalism the interests of representatives in the legislative and executive branches, through corporate lobbying, can conflict with the common people. ((Chapter 1) linked a paper in this as proof. It's about how the Great Leap Forward changed state priorities from the well being of workers into state development in industry to catch up with Britain and the US, and this shift resulted in drastically increased working hours and the same kind of alienation from work that is present in capitalism. The author does a better job than I could.)

https://dokumen.pub/factory-politics-in-the-peoples-republic-of-china-9789004421752-9789004421745.html

I am not saying that Marx's failure to describe the withering away of the state is a failure of communism. I am arguing that this is a flaw that present socialist leaders must amend, because in reality, most communist movements end up as state socialist. I really don't care if it's capitalists, socialists, communists, or whatever. I want a system that can bring the most prosperity, unity, and freedom to my entire national community, not just some elite few.


r/DebateCommunism • • 6d ago

🚨Hypothetical🚨 Under Communism how are jobs and work evenly distributed, and is it even possible for it to not be Authoritarian?

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I have noticed recently that I am quite fond of socialism and communism, more so socialism, but that's beside the point. I mainly wanted to ask, who is to say who gets the dangerous, back breaking, miserable jobs like bricklayers and underwater welders and who gets the easy going, less stressful and physical jobs like artists, singers etc? How it seems it has gone in the past, is people have been forced to do hard jobs without any say, and I'm wondering how modern communists believe the work should be distributed. Because the reality is, is that nobody would willingly do those hard jobs if they knew they could earn a perfectly liveable wage doing a significantly easier job, considering that 67% of bricklayers suffer from work induced injuries, and underwater welders have a 40x higher mortality rate than standard U.S workers. And if someone did willingly do these jobs, they would be one in a billion, and would most likely not be enough of these heroes to effectively keep industries running, and eventually, someone would have to be forced to do it, and what happens if they say no? Force. Authoritarian. At least that's the most logical assumption based on the past. So, commies how should the work be distributed?


r/DebateCommunism • • 6d ago

🇨🇳 China China China! On Tiananmen Square: What actually happened? Apologies if this has been asked before.

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Hello all. Not sure where to post this so I chose this sub. I’ve been a communist for most of my adult life but am not that well-read on the history around this specific event. In my past naïve (and dare I say more liberal) days, I used to believe it was a brutal massacre by a violent dictatorship against innocent student protesters.

Now that I’ve become more worldly and aware of Western propaganda, I want to find out the real story, what the history was, and what the nuances were that are always deliberately missed by the MSM.


r/DebateCommunism • • 8d ago

🚨Hypothetical🚨 How do you enforce collective ownership without a state?

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I see a lot of arguments for stateless communism, but I'm curious about how it actually works in practice.

If someone wants to use their own tools or land to start a private business and voluntarily trade with others in a socialist society, how does society stop them without using a centralized police force or state authority? Genuinely curious about the logistics here.

(I am a minarchist classical liberal and slightly conservative.)


r/DebateCommunism • • 8d ago

🤔 Question ¿What Is more powerful in the world Rothschild &co or icbc of china?

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Hello everyone and have one question aboun the icbc and Rothschild & co. For majority of conspiracy theories, the Rothschild familiy Is the really richest family in the world, and their family control majority of bank and central bank of majority western countries. And the icbc Is the biggest bank in china, and Is considerated the biggest bank in the world for stock value. My question Is what Is the biggest bank in the world, and what efects have this in the communism around the world because china Is one communist country in the polítics. Thanks for response


r/DebateCommunism • • 9d ago

🍵 Discussion Why do communists/socialists believe that capitalism is authoritarian and the idea of libertarian-capitalism is impossible?

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Ive tried debating this before but it just gets shut down immideitly with a lot of insults.

I'm a minarchist classical liberal (Also slightly conservative) so feel free to challenge my positions


r/DebateCommunism • • 9d ago

🇨🇳 China China China! Is Mao zedong mass killing of the landlords just morally as bad as the holocaust?

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Isn't the mass killing of landlords under Mao zedong just morally as bad as the holocaust?


r/DebateCommunism • • 10d ago

🍵 Discussion Propaganda and LLMs

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Is it proper praxis to regularly feed our data harvesting overlords literal Marxist propaganda on the day to day going on?

Like. It sucks for the environment, I’m not happy with it. But.Why not jam the machine with quotes and commentary and see what happens?

Does it become based af? Is it our responsibility to jam the machine


r/DebateCommunism • • 10d ago

🍵 Discussion Self-proclaimed communist for its moral superiority card

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There are a myriad of communists who vehemently fight for the paradigm, make conflicts against people who do not fully understand it yet which instead of promoting understanding they are rather veered toward resisting due to the ego game.

That misses the important point of Karl Marx. Adopting communism will just happen on its own in the late-stage capitalism where things become unsustainable, structures are too apparent to be ignored even by common people, and will therefore breed class consciousness and lead to revolution.

Yes, you can argue encompassing it for the fun of it, but it would not make sense at all you are just flaunting your knowledge and empathy for the oppressed by using your jargon and showing people you have the moral high ground. What one should do instead is just make them understand the dangers of capitalism instead of imposing on them outrightly the name of communism which will only sprout immediate resistance due to its already bad reputation.


r/DebateCommunism • • 11d ago

🚨Hypothetical🚨 FALC

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What is your opinion on FALC (Fully Automated Luxury Communism)? Why do you think it would/wouldn't work? How does it conflict with classical Marxism? Are there any flaws to point out?


r/DebateCommunism • • 11d ago

🚨Hypothetical🚨 How does communism handle differing levels of ability (real or feigned) among workers?

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Considering that a primary communist critique of capitalism is that a worker must produce a surplus (which disappears into profit) in order to meet their basic needs, and assuming that a person may be born/endowed naturally with a greater ability to produce than another:

How does communist leadership prove that a worker is able to perform at a higher level than they exhibit? If it is determined that a worker should be able to perform more tasks than another, does leadership require that the worker perform better to get their basic needs met?

In that case, a deterioration and halt of all production seems inevitable. Here’s why, on a micro scale:

One worker is reported to produce less than another. Another worker knows they are capable of greater production, but allows their production to fall, matching that of the less productive worker who is having their needs met. Does communist leadership have a way of proving that the worker is “slacking”? If they don’t, work could grind to a halt, as a race to the bottom begins, with workers claiming they are not capable of a task. The only tasks excepted would be physical and so simple in nature as to be impossible to mess up, those tasks which leadership can definitively prove that everyone must be able to do. In this way, society will be performing physical subsistence tasks in short order. If somebody is capable of greater work and performs it, but doesn’t see a reward, that is effectively the same as the despised capitalist surplus. I would like insight into how communism addresses this problem.

I expect to be schooled by people who have read more books, but I have always been curious about this and have not found an answer that satisfies me. Mostly, I have heard it expressed that in the communist future, labor is natural, desired, and effectively fetishized because everyone wants to improve their conditions. However, I don’t think humans would believe this independently… so leadership steps in. What do they do?