Violet isn't the only character with a "normal" personality, but other characters with a similair personality atleast have something else going on.

Graves personality wise is pretty much just a moody teenager who wants her parents to pay attention to her. Pretty basic considering everything. But the way the cast talks to her and how she responds isnt totally stereotypical which makes it interesting. Celeste makes fun of her for being moody, she shows a nice side to her when talon asks her to talk to dead for him and she shows interest when haze asks her about a future at the OSIC. Plus she has the whole necromancy and lich thing going on giving her dialogue that isnt about being a moody teenager.

The problem is that all of violets tropes are played completely straight. Nothing interesting is done about her need of validation from her parents. Nothing interesting is done with her being super scared. Nothing interesting is done with her being in college. She talks a little more in depth about her art than just going "jeez this painting looks good" but not enough that its interesting.

The closest we get to something self aware is seven thinking she is cliche and thats it. I dont think her character is like hopeless or whatever but man is the next batch of convo's going to have to carry. A convo of her trying to relate to pocket and them going "what the hell are you talking about" (not literally). Or her owing wraith money for opioids would be enough for me.

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Just because a character is designed pretty, have a normal hobby and is successful doesn't mean you get to make up arbitrary reasons to dunk on the character.

I see the main complaint being that she is "generic" just because she doesn't look like mo and krill or has a landing strip forehead like Yamato.

Comparing her design as generic while Paige is literally a person who likes to read books and can make things in the books she reads come to life. Wow... So unique.. Right? Don't even get me to mention mina. Literally a pretty vampire. So why is there no heat?

People need to stop following narratives on a whim without forming an opinion for themselves. Way I see it people are using this opinion to critic valve so that they can be conceived as somehow having an extraordinary opinion, which is false.

P.S her kit literally has the highest skill ceiling for movement where she can make up wall hops in a whine and slide indefinitely if you're skilled enough.

'The Luna Snow of Deadlock' I've seen at least 5 times by different people in under 5 minutes. Generic, nothingburger character, too out of place for Deadlock, like... not every woman in this game needs to be total out there like Vyper or massively bright like Celeste. It's reminding me a lot about the discourse around Paige where people see her as annoying at best, irrelevant and out of place at worst

Like I won't deny her interactions could've been a little bit more, but this game is still in an Alpha and they clearly have more plans to build on everyone as a whole, including Violet. It's not like Nurse Harrow isn't coming at all, y'all can wait a few days without having such a violent hissy fit to the point where you're saying shit like 'I'm hard targetting every Violet in my matches', just comes off as really weird when you wouldn't do that to a more dry male character (and feel free to prove me wrong if people have done that to male releases in the past! But I am relatively confident that hasn't happened and people haven't freaked out this much like they have been with Violet)

And for what it's worth, I've been voting for Nurse Harrow and Solomon at the same time since day 1 (and solely Nurse Harrow since Solomon got in)

This is just my observation as a woman myself that enjoys Deadlock, it's getting a bit too weird now. idk

Ive been seeing nonstop hate for Violet since before she was even in the game and honestly Im kinda tired of it. Before she came out people were already calling her gooner slop and "the most Riot Games character Valve has ever made" and that was off of literally 1 picture and like 3 describing words. We didnt know her kit, we didnt know her voice lines, we didnt know anything about her, and people already decided she sucked. Now shes out and suddenly the complaint is that her lore is boring and she has no twist. Like just think about the people who actually made her for a second. Imagine being one of the artists drawing her concepts or the person making her model or her voice actress recording all those lines, and youre putting real time and effort into her and youre excited like "oh my god people are gonna love her, shes so cool," and then you go online and the first thing you see is a bunch of people whining that shes boring and calling her slop before they even played her. That would suck so bad and I dont think people think about that enough.

Now I do think its fine to not vibe with a character, if you played her and listened to her lines and shes just not for you thats completely fair, not every hero has to be everyone's favorite. But lets be real about the "no twist, boring lore" thing because if thats the standard then a good chunk of the roster is boring too. Lore wise Id put Sinclair, Vyper, Warden and Lash in that bucket (and I like Vyper and Lash, theyre funny, but if they werent funny theyd be pretty boring). McGinnis is only kinda interesting because shes a cold apathetic opportunist who makes weapons of mass destruction for a company and doesnt care, which is basically just "shes evil." And if were going off looks like people were doing with Violet before she came out, I think Bebop, Lash, Grey Talon, McGinnis, Holliday, Sinclair, Vyper and Warden all look pretty boring, and you could maybe make a case for Mo & Krill aswell. Most of those have been in the game since the start and Holliday, Sinclair and Vyper sat in Hero Labs for months before they got fully added, and I dont remember anyone writing any of them off like this.
Honestly I think a big part of it, and a lot of people have been saying this too, is that shes a pretty faced East Asian girl and people are burnt out on that from other hero shooters. Between Kiriko, D.Va, Luna Snow, Jubilee and others, people have watched that type get pushed hard with skin after skin while other characters get ignored, so they saw Violet and assumed its gonna be the same thing here. And I actually get where thats coming from, its a real pattern in other games, but thats not a Deadlock problem and its not Violet's fault. Shes 1 hero in a game thats never done that and shes getting punished for what other companies did. Thats also why some people get called misogynistic or racist when they say they dont like her, and they act like it came out of nowhere. Like if you hated her off 1 picture before she came out and called her slop and then switched to "her lore is just boring bro" once she was in the game, people are gonna wonder what the actual problem was. If you gave her a fair shot and shes just not your thing thats a different conversation, and most people can tell the difference.

Also I think the haters are a loud minority, she won the vote over Nurse Harrow so a lot of people clearly wanted her. And for the record I voted Nurse Harrow too because I wanted to know what her deal was and she seemed more interesting to me, but I dont mind Violet whatsoever. I think shes cute, I think shes chill, and her voice lines arent the most riveting lore wise but theyre a nice addition to the game. So yeah, why cant people just enjoy characters anymore? Not everything has to be a culture war or about some other game's sins. Give her a chance, play her a few times, and if shes still not your thing thats fine, but the pile on before she was even out was weird and its still weird now.

The amount of unique posts discussing Violets character design (I'm contributing hehe), writing multi paragraphed texts criticizing her, slandering her with memes...

Just because a new character is a bit bland compared to the rest (she's not even that bad y'all).

When the actual most important thing, her kit, is actually really fun and gets completely ignored in the discussion

It's just funny because it's not that deep 😭

I feel like everytime you see a post critiquing the game, even if it’s a legitimate critique like “hey I wish towers did more damage” or something, you immediately get a ton of weird comments saying “go back to league” etc.

If yall want this game to grow and be something other than “dota 2 but you have a gun” 5 years from now then maybe don’t chase off every single person who comes from other MOBAs.

And yes I play league of legends from time to time but most of my moba experience is from heroes of newerth or paragon (rip to both).

Edit: the point I’m making is this game should be its own game and NOT just DOTA 2 but with a gun OR league of legends but with a gun. And that it’s okay to take inspiration from both as well as other games in the genre.

I don't care much for Violet. I voted Harrow over her. It was always my hope Solomon and Baba were going to drop first and second. Everyone else didn't interest me at the time. That being said, Violet's backstory being underwhelming compared to the rest of the cast's being seen as a bad thing is a spectacularly awful take.

Deadlock's charm is simple: make a zany setting, depicts all walks of life within its bounds, then see how they interact when they're forced to work together. You've got war criminals, eldritch visitors, wannabe deities, ancient evils, power-hungry vampires, and joe schmoes all uniting to pursue a common goal. That's the magic.

The game isn't interesting because everyone is a uber powerful, hyper-mysterious DeviantArt OC. It's interesting because people like Paige get to talk to people like Drifter, who get to talk to people like Doorman, who are on good terms with people like Calico, who tried to kill Pocket, who are living with M&K, who've met Vyper, who fucks Billy.

We've got an abundance of characters who are...
- Shrouded in mystery (Seven, Doorman, Baba, etc.)
- Actively cheating death (Geist, Kelvin, Victor)
- Carrying esoteric items the likes of which no one's ever seen (Abrams, Pocket, Graves)
- Are on the bloody path of vengeance (Vindicta, Holliday, Grey Talon)
- Aren't even human to begin with (Viscous, Rem, Ivy, etc.)

All of these guys toy with the limits of the world in fun ways, define the magic + judicial system and set up plot beats that will later be explored.

However, we've also got, strictly speaking, "less interesting" characters who are made more compelling by the fact they're doing something so dangerous (ie. participating in the ritual.)
- Paige is a librarian trying to find and save her brother. The most interesting about her is that she's looking for somebody.
- Billy is a guy with a goat head. He's reprimanded en masse for saying a whole lot of nothing.
- Solomon, although he's alluded to being more powerful than he seems, is by all means just a dude who hangs out in parks.
- Take away the fact that she's a snake, and Vyper is a girl who serves a lot of time. Her wish is "I want a better life."

The simpler lives of these characters doesn't take away from the fact they offer a more grounded view of the setting, away from the fantastical theatrics of everyone else. Solomon is still cool despite being an old guy in a park. Vyper is still hilarious despite being a third rate criminal. Paige is still endearing despite spending 90% of her time in libraries, etc. etc.

Futhermore, the interactions the above have with the "more interesting" characters paint a fuller picture of the world. Thanks to Violet, we now know Victor likes to nude model in his free time. Half of what makes Solomon threatening Seven so good is the fact that he's just a regular dude with nothing to lose. Billy highlights the cultural renown of Baba, and the two are heartwarming to watch. Vyper is the only one who makes Lash viscerally uncomfortable. And so on, and so on.

TLDR; it's fine Violet is a college student who likes to goon. Shut up about her already.

100% serious question yall. I’ve seen so many people slandering her name for either being “woke” or “Asian propaganda”(wtv tf that means) or just pain “boring” but I can’t seem to find a post that explains the reason for thinking this, that isn’t also a massive shit post. I’ve played her in a few good games, she’s nothing groundbreaking but is certainly more usable than DD. So like genuinely, can someone explain why people are dragging Violate through the mud?

There is just too much aoe slop in this mode for this to be enjoyable anymore, They need to address it and nerf the shit out of it, Scrap grenade and Setup bishops are just so egregiously dominate in how much value they get out for the skill expression put in. They also need to address the visual clarity with the new heros as it is impossible to tell whats happening anymore with solomon especially being the culprit. Please nerf it

I don’t understand the Billy/Violet conversation.

Violet got a full scholarship to art school, has had her work displayed at MoMA, and apparently makes art that has absolutely no meaningful value to the government according to seven. Like, she’s literally the kind of person who gets institutional recognition for making art that the people in charge deem worthy.

And we’re supposed to believe Billy would be into her? What does he see in her? She’s an overeducated, institutionally recognised artist whose work doesn’t even serve the interests of the people. And her goal that she’s willing to kill for is to have a chance at being a successful artist within the established system. But she gets high I guess so she’s actually a rebel!

Seperate from all the other issues with her bland characterisation, I don’t like that Billy is going down with her, unless it’s him being thoughtless cause he thinks she’s hot or something which could be in character. But given how abrasive he is by default idk how she works her way through that. At least Seven clocks her shit.

She could’ve had so many more interesting angles to her character, more Chinese cultural influence, more of a graffiti artist type, if a perfectionist then an obsessive one, if a nervous fighter then a terrified one, constantly unsure of what she’s doing in her ability voice lines.

She's amazing.

Some of you guys are genuinely just haters. Her kit is beautiful (and very fun) and her design may not be flashy or extra detailed but she's no less good because of it?

There's no point in whining you didn't get Harrow and "lost to this stupid bitch" when we're gonna get her next Tuesday anyway. And I bet if Harrow came out first, you guys would have partied and then thrown the same exact tantrum over Violet that's being thrown right now.

She's not boring or stand-offish, her dialogue is actually really funny and full of character, and if you call her cliché I'll just laugh at you because EVERY Deadlock character is a cliché with a fun little twist on them that makes them worth playing and interacting with.

I haven't played enough deadlock to nitpick the technical aspects of her kit (I play for fun and a good time cause I love the art and love that's gone into the game) but what does it matter? Every character has good and bad strengths and as the player you must adapt to those strengths. It's not the kits fault if you just don't click with a certain playstyle.

And I don't want to start a really heated argument over this, I just find it really sad everyone is hating on a good character because she didn't live up to your expectations (of a game in early access)

(Ps. Sorry for posting so much. I just love this game.)

Edit: If you're coming here to say she's boring just because shes a girl who paints, I can call Paige boring because she's a girl that reads books. Boil down a character to their most basic element and they're all boring as hell. Random guy is forced to keep a book. Vampire can't stop killing. edgy teenager with some hand.

edie 2: I give up. 'm too tired. I made this post while tired and with little knowledge on the base of her critisms, and there's more posts on thois subeeddir what do her more justic than I have. I like violet. I'm sad she's so hated when I was sohappy awithher. That's all incoudkve said. Goodnight

She can draw solid shapes (or just empower her shots), she can slide around the map with her allies, she ACTUALLY SKETCHES THE CHARACTERS and her ultimate is a HELL IN A CELL. We got a little bit of Okami, a little bit of Splatoon and she IS SO ALIVE.

I am never forgiving you all for voting for Grandma SpiritSucker and Grandpa RiftSpammer first. The Rat was good, Danny is sick, but she is AMAZING. I better not see all of you jumping ship to Violet when your chosen cultists are right there.

I haven't felt this hyped in months. I can already think of things to test out in my matches, I'm excited to see what people cook up.

Personally I feel like she is very well executed in her voice work that makes her a sort of “child immigrant to college student” concept that she has.

She has a rather grounded but honest approach to how she acts and behaves that honestly kind of makes her stand out compared others who have a more extreme aspect around them (like Billy being very punk-ish angry, Pockets moodiness or Grey Talon being very vengeful/depressed) that also has an interesting angle for an artist character in terms of her goals and values (at least to me she does, it feels more personal centric rather than art centric to me).

She kind of feels like a bit of fresh air and it honestly saddens me that others don’t feel the same way, to the point of acting like she’s just like the actual generic personalities like Luna Snow for example, when she clearly isn’t the case.

in a game where there are already a ton of characters with insane magical background and lore implications, i find violet's down to earth, relatable character pretty refreshing. just someone who barely gets by in life and wants a chance to prove herself.

wanting to become a god, claim revenge over a killer, or take over long island is cool and all, but if i were given a wish from the patrons i would honestly go with something similar to violet, the ability to be appreciated for and make a living off of doing what i love

Bro she actually looks like a subway surfers character from the back

My main irk with her is that she has nothing about her above being a "painter". So, the game is set in mystical cool as fuck 1930s-50s New York. 20th century, a massive amount of art movements are just appearing all over the place. Avant garde, pop-art, constructivism, abstractivism, expressionism, whateverionism. Which one is she a part of? Or maybe inspired by? Idk, maybe anime by the looks of her propaganda posters. She might as well just eat paint for fun. Honestly the type of artist to draw photorealistic pencil portraits of Walter White and The Rock and get on the front page of reddit. Like what are we doing? I wanted an artist character for so long, it's such a great idea, and now that niche is take by some rando with a can of ink but no actual thoughts.

A lot of peole want to shit on Paige for being boring, but at least she has a reason to participate in the ritual and has actual passion and knowledge about her field and constantly makes references to it.

Her gameplay is fine btw, we're not discussing it here, I repeat, we DO NOT care about gameplay

I already know people are going to vehemently deny this because she just came out but in the like hour she's been out people already realized you can infinitely slide around the map with one cast of your 2 or use it for absurd poke, and you can exploit your 1 to create a one-shot death ball, and even if you don't do that it's huge cooldown refresh so enjoy spam. They have also already discovered you can just spin around yourself with your right click to become invincible to things and I'm sure there's going to be way more that it lets you do from there. Enjoy having ults completely shut down not even by an ability but by a right click or a dome of paint around rejuv crystal. On top of that she has infinite buffs she can get from her 3 which its upgrades make it really safe to get them because of the regen and damage debuff, and her ult area is massive meaning she's another top pick for objectives.

The fact that people have found this much exploitable tech ALREADY means it's only going to get worse from here. Surely nothing more will be found from being able to freely draw terrain anywhere right? The cherry on top is most people agree she's really boring story and character-wise but she's gonna be seen every game because of how ridiculously strong and versatile her kit is and the numerous ways you can break it.

I'll get flamed for posting this so soon but give it a day maybe even less and this sentiment will be common.

LITERALLY right after I posted this people discovered you can just paint in front of a guardian and render it unable to hit you or the minions. People are gonna be saying exactly what I am very shortly but the sub needs to go about its predictable cycle first.

After both seeing a ton of hate on Violet in general and her kit being "boring" in particular, I really strongly disagree. I think it has a low skill floor, but the potential to have a crazy high skill ceiling.

Her 1, Living Ink, for example, is an ability that seems super simple on the surface but could have some crazy tech. Making cover in lane, encircling/trapping people in pursuit, and maybe giving your partner a barrier if they need to retreat.

I think a few videos have been posted showing off that her 2, flow state, has no lifetime. If you have 1 stamina and open ground, you can slide for as long as you want. (Burst Fire potential for a gun violet?) But quickly making cover/routes with living ink and getting away makes her feel like she has Vyper-like pursuit and escape potential.

Her 3 and 4 are perfectly ok. Having an on command stun and potentially changing the direction for your build based on what permanent buffs you get from the enemy team comp is interesting, and her ult blocking lines of sight of all things make it feel like she could be an answer to a potential Vindicta/Grey Talon/what have you trying to get picks in a team fight. (Not to mention obscuring how many people are in a fight)

When she got the "nimble" tag I think more people expected lots of aerial prowess, but between Solomon and Danny, I've kind of had my fill of aerial heroes for this update.

In summary, I think she has a lot of untapped potential that we'll see a lot more of once people start to get a feel for how she works.

Some weirdos are legit harassing Violet players ingame, and there's dozens of posts here just to mock her and people who voted for her

I have never seen this once in my life, you can be mad that people voted for her, you can question her design, but there's nothing that will legitimate bullying people because they supported a hero they want to play and enjoy.

I cannot count the amount of weirdos saying "f*** Violet players", "ret*** should not vote" and overall extreme negativity and cyberbullying ingame (and sometime here) for absolute no damn reasons.

It's the first time I have to mute and block people in this game