r/worldnews • u/pjw724 • 14h ago
Russia/Ukraine Ukrainian drones force closure of all four Moscow airports overnight
https://www.euronews.com/2026/10/16/ukrainian-drones-force-closure-of-all-four-moscow-airports-overnight-cancelling-dozens-of-1.0k
u/CapAggravating784 14h ago
How are Russian civilian aircraft still flying with Boeing and airbus suspending maintenance and parts?
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u/mschuster91 13h ago
Second hand parts from grounded airplanes, smuggled parts, counterfeits and clones.
This is why not a single one of these planes - not even after a D Check, the most comprehensive overhaul you can do - will ever be part of the regular Western fleet and will be denied entry into most Western countries' airspace. There simply is no way to know what repairs have been carried out by whom and using which materials.
Most of them will, as a result, probably eventually end up in Africa replacing aircraft in even worse condition, and we will most probably see a few of them go down in some sort of accident.
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u/Gnonthgol 13h ago
Adding to this they also refine their minimum equipment list. For example while the aircraft come with two autopilots you do not need more then one to fly safely. In fact you could fly without any working autopilots as long as you do not tire out your pilots.
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u/mschuster91 12h ago
...and as long as you don't encounter weather that makes visual approaches/landings impossible.
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u/JewishTomCruise 11h ago
I mean, you just need visual at 200 ft. It's not like you need it for the whole approach
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u/WillemDaFo 8h ago
So you’re telling me a pilot of a Boeing or an Airbus with dodgy parts only needs visual at 60 metres.
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u/JewishTomCruise 7h ago
Yes, that's what I'm telling you. With a single functional autopilot, ILS CAT I approaches are allowed. Cat I Decision height minimum is typically 200ft AGL, and runway visual range is 1800ft.
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u/JewishTomCruise 7h ago
To add to this, I'm pretty sure but not 100% that it's allowed to do the entirety of an ILS CAT I approach manually with just radio instruments as long as the visual requirements are met at DH and the RVR is above the minimum. It's just incredibly unlikely such a situation would occur, as I would bet that a single autopilot failure is probably enough for an airline to ground that airframe until it's repaired.
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u/MyStackOverflowed 13h ago
that's not really a problem for them, plenty of demand for them to only use those planes to fly to east Asia, the middle east and Africa
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u/mschuster91 13h ago
Yeah but eventually most of these countries will say "thanks but no thanks" to avoid aviation incidents. These planes haven't been maintained properly for almost half a decade now.
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u/peacey8 12h ago
Why would any country want a 300 ton metal rocket to come crashing down into their buildings and people because of shoddy parts and maintenance? What crazy country would allow such a thing to happen for "political reasons"?
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u/lplqsnkczxccia 11h ago
What crazy country would allow such a thing to happen for "political reasons"?
There are all sorts of geopolitical reasons for a country to do this. For example, Putin could say "allow our planes into your airports and you get $400m worth of our oil exports".
The poorer the country, the easier it is to buy them
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u/Black_Moons 7h ago
The poorer the country, the easier it is to buy them
At this point it would be allowed to land in the US for a $50 gold spray painted hobby lobby statue.
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u/Kitchen-Cabinet-5000 9h ago
Ever read into African aviation? They’ve got a lot of airlines that will never be allowed to fly into the Western World, flying airplanes that are maintained in pretty much the same way a methhead maintains his truck.
Yes, planes do crash into buildings for dumb reasons from time to time.
Or my favourite, a jet crashed into the wreckage of another jet that crashed there a while back and they hadn’t cleaned up the wreckage yet.
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u/NoPossibility4178 11h ago
There's plenty of countries which would cover up the issues, deny any allegations,, arrest anyone trying to invest and which don't value their citizens' (or anyone else's) lives and any lost profit for the country's economy is fine because those in power already profited and don't care.
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u/needlestack 8h ago
People are very very good at saying "that'll never happen" and then making terrible decisions.
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u/CommunitRagnar 14h ago
Cannibalism
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u/Sup3rT4891 14h ago
Imagine how safe those must feel.
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u/Comrade_Durge 11h ago
Most of these are not Russian aircraft. These are mostly foreign airlines from Africa and Asia that are not subject to EU / US sanctions that still fly there.
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u/ZazaZyna 14h ago
They have domestic aircraft production. When the war started and they were sanctioned they switched from importing parts such as engines to producing them domestically. I believe it is suspected they have been bypassing sanctions to acquire some key parts, though.
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u/MrHMSH 13h ago
Yeah... they haven't been producing engines in any meaningful quantity, especially not for the Western jets they fly.
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u/Jashugita 12h ago edited 11h ago
they also depend of western avionics in their locally produced civilian planes, they use off the shelf components integrated in such a way. The crash of Gazpromavia flight 9608 was because they were taking an angle of attack sensor from the aircraft than entered maintenance to install it in the aircraft finishing it because they didn´t have a spare.
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u/DuncanFisher69 10h ago
Their “domestic aircraft industry” maybe produces something like 150 of the 600 major parts to make engines and airframes. They can’t make new planes until sanctions are lifted without using secondhand or black market parts.
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u/sprashoo 14h ago
I’m guessing they’re able to get parts and repairs when they fly to other countries?
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u/HelgaBorisova 14h ago
If you feel bad for poor russians, passenger planes do not fly in Ukraine for almost five years now. War comes back home, so these poor Russians had since 2014 to protest their government, and they did nothing.
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u/made_me_a_moron 14h ago
I don’t feel bad for them at all
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u/Ftp82 14h ago
All the well off ones have already buggered off to Thailand
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u/catscanmeow 10h ago
which makes you wonder who is even maintaining the nukes
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u/thesuperbob 12h ago
I'm forever surprised that the less well off ones didn't make it their life's goal to bugger off as well. Life is only going to get worse in Russia now, and getting out isn't going be get any easier. I get that most people can't just pack up and move, but they've had years to arrange it.
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u/EatThatPotato 12h ago
Most people in any poorer country don’t have the means to leave, regardless of years of preparation. Hell, most people in well off countries can’t just move to a new country either if they don’t have anything to offer, be it skills or money.
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u/Nova_Explorer 9h ago
I mean, many of them did. 900,000 Russians have fled Russia since the full-scale war began. Large swathes of whom went to Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Serbia. All of which a neighbours or countries it’s easy for Russians to get to.
The first wave were those who fled in the first month, mostly journalists, political activists, tech workers, and anti-war politicians who feared the impending crackdown
The second (smallest) wave were mostly on the wealthy side of things, folks with businesses or who could afford to wait a bit
The third wave (by far the largest at 700,000) were those who didn’t want to be press ganged into the military when conscription was announced and was generally young men, and considering these ones crossed by land borders mostly, they certainly weren’t from Moscow or St Petersburg on average
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u/gnutrino 9h ago
Life is only going to get worse in Russia now, and getting out isn't going be get any easier
"And then it got worse" has been the unofficial motto of Russia for over a century now, this isn't new.
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u/DeffoNotAnEngineer 12h ago
The lower working classes have seen their relative wealth increase compared to the middle and upper classes. Wages have been pushed up by the war effort and the job market for manual labour is hot, so those guys certainly don’t mind that they’ve lost Starbucks but they can now maybe afford to buy an apartment in a second tier city. It’s kind of the reverse of what’s happened in the west in terms of inequality and I hope our politicians start doing something about it.
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u/bruticuslee 7h ago
So Russia's solution to wealth inequality is to start a long war and create a labor shortage by getting their own working class killed or fled to other countries. I don't think that's gonna work for the rest of us lol
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u/ZumboPrime 5h ago
No, Russia's solution to wealth inequality is to ignore it because Putin & his sycophants have all the wealth.
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u/plokoon9619 13h ago
I feel bad for that guy with the domesticated dwarf puma, but that's it.
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u/blacksideblue 11h ago
dwarf puma,
If you're talking about Messi, that guy was never poor. You don't buy a puma on a comrad's wage
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u/AScruffyHamster 13h ago
I'm not advocating for the Russians here, but at the start of the war, weren't there videos of people being grabbed, in public, and thrown into vans to end up in prison because they voiced their opinion against the war? Pretty sure some even disappeared outright.
Russia is a regime. Regimes kill their own citizens. Say what you will, but I'm pretty sure they'd rather stay quiet then get the black bag treatment.
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u/wowthatsucked 12h ago
My "favorite" were the people arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper in public - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_paper_protest
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u/Affordable_Z_Jobs 12h ago
I remember a video where a pedestrian was outside the Kremlin and a news reporter asked him his thoughts on the war.
Guy gave a smirk. "You see that building?" Camera pans over, and when it panned back to the guy he was already walking away.
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u/caelynnsveneers 9h ago
And I’d like to add this question to the Redditors who are Americans saying they don’t feel sorry for Russians, as if they’re a monolith: How would you feel if Canadians and Mexicans said the same thing about Americans? Especially if you didn’t vote for Trump, how would you feel if people just lumped you in with the rest of the MAGATS?
Americans also aren’t doing much to stop ICE or trump’s warmongering. Yes, I’m aware that people have attended protests and marches (I did too), but ultimately, ICE detention camps are still operating, people are still being picked up off the streets, strait of Hormuz is still closed, gas price is soaring around the world, and Palestinians are still being killed everyday.25
u/Nico280gato 9h ago
No, americans scream and cry that THEY didnt vote for trump, or he rigged it, or he cheated, or whatever. It's different for them.
It's very easy to scream someone needs to do something from the safety of your home
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u/ispeakpittsburghese 8h ago
> How would you feel if Canadians and Mexicans said the same thing about Americans? Especially if you didn’t vote for Trump, how would you feel if people just lumped you in with the rest of the MAGATS?
i was having to explain ourselves in europe 10 years ago when trump was just the republican favorite/nominee. you think our national neighbors arent giving all americans the collective sideye after 10 years of dealing with magats?
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u/Defiant-Plane4557 12h ago
Yes. These kinds of governments don't care about peaceful protesting at all.
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u/FlacidPhil 12h ago
Good thing groups like the Freedom of Russia Legion, Russian Volunteer Corps, Siberian Battalion, Atesh, NRA, and BOAK exist.
Plenty of opportunities for Russians to take part in non-peaceful protesting if they really wanted to.
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u/Tacti_Kel_Nuke 11h ago
For that you need a nothing to lose/everything to win mentally and no fear to dying or trust that you will live. If fighting is sure to result in victory then people will fight.
And most people would stay at home even if they are facing economic problems and political optession, some of them still have family and would rather keep their heads low than to jump into a battlefield
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u/mystery_hole 7h ago
Americans can't even show up to vote and he's judging Russians for not risking the lives of their entire families by protesting lol
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u/Spirited-Pin6723 10h ago
Agreed. Maybe I'm giving people too much credit, but I'd argue that people wouldn't even need a certain victory, just a possible path to it.
I understand the frustrations of people around the world whose lives are being impacted by the actions of certain countries' leaders, but villainizing the entire populations because they haven't toppled their governments by protesting is naive and childish, not to mention plays right into Russia's division strategy.
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u/DunkingTea 8h ago
Why aren’t American’s doing the same for Trump’s insane ruling, and his ridiculous war in Iran…. Plus his alienating of all Europe… I could go on.
Redditors like to talk the talk, but very rarely get out of their basement to do anything themselves.
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u/DMmeyourRegina 13h ago
Sadly we've seen similar videos coming out of the US as well..
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u/ElMatasiete7 12h ago
I fucking detest Trump, but it's not even comparable and it's an irresponsible equivalence to make.
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u/ElMatasiete7 9h ago
Can I publicly critique Trump and wish he gets removed from office in the US? Yes or no?
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u/Golden_Alchemy 11h ago
Nah, that excuse failed a long time ago.
People with mask grabbing random people on the streets and even airports, kidnapping people and stealing their cars and money, being send to prisons with crocodiles and random countries without support, kids being used as hostages to get people outside of their houses, making kids of 2 years to stand up to judges and being send to random countries and killing people just because they follow your car or try to help because they are nurses. And those are the things i can remember really easily.
Irresponsible equivalence is a fucking stupid answer.
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u/ElMatasiete7 11h ago
And all of that shit is bad and it happens tenfold in Russia.
I want you to actually reply to this, what happens in the US if you say Trump is a fat piece of shit in a public place? And what happens in Russia if you say the same about Putin?
More importantly, can you vote for a party opposed to Trump and his policies in the US? Can you do the same in Russia?
This is not to sanewash Trump, it's just being realistic. Lord knows if Trump could have his way the US would be an oligarchic state like Russia as well, but the reality is right now it is not close to the level of authoritarianism Russia has. To equate the two, to quote you, is "fucking stupid" and only downplays the situation in Russia, while it installs a sense of apathy in the US where people still have the recourse of voting and protesting.
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u/Golden_Alchemy 11h ago
"Misery shared is a fool’s consolation"
I want you to put this into your head: it is fucking happening right now, Trump is stealing the election, it is destroying the recourse of voting and protesting. Just because Trump is Putin's baby version doesn't stop it from been the fucking same. They stole 2024's election already, they are trying to do it again and just because it is version 0.5 instead of version 1,8 doesn't matter.
"it's an irresponsible equivalence to make." IT IS FUCKING NOT IRRESPONSIBLE, IT IS HAPPENING AND NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.
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u/Turbulent_Lunch4548 11h ago
You might not like it but america is on track to become just like Russia.
The mentality is already halfway there, with all the apathy and jingoism.
You are the irresonsible one for trying to make comparisons to Russia sound crazy.
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u/ElMatasiete7 11h ago
but america is on track
Key word here is ON TRACK, not THE SAME
Anyone EQUATING both countries in terms of authoritarianism is, I repeat, irresponsible and only downplays the level of state violence in Russia, and installs apathy in the US where there is still a very flawed yet somewhat functioning system.
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u/Turbulent_Lunch4548 11h ago
If America is on track to become Russia, comparisons to Russia are fair game. That is the whole point of a comparison.
Your argument suggests that only things that are the exact same should be compared to one another and that is literally flying in the face of what a comparison is.
You only compare things that are different enough from another so that you can actually compare them.
You don't seem to understand what the point of a comparison is.
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u/Duskuser 12h ago
Yeah it's like comparing cutting your finger while chopping vegetables to sawing your hand clean off.
Same idea, massive gulf in severity.
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u/happyflappypancakes 12h ago
Reddit really ties its best to make people think the US is basically a third world country with a dictator. It isnt. There are certainly big problems.
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u/nachuz 12h ago
jfc, I bet you have never lived in a regime like Russia's or Belarus' if you are seriously saying this with a straight face
It's not even comparable by magnitudes, and just to give you an idea, I bet you are feeling safe after commenting that, in Russia you would NOT
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u/stouset 11h ago
Unrelated, but you might want to double-check the definition of the word regime. It doesn’t imply tyranny. It just means a government (or type of government) in power. We live under a democratic regime.
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u/nvoima 13h ago
Russians are clearly too apathetic to protest in masses large enough to have any effect, but a general strike in St. Pete and Moscow should be doable. Even Putin can't arrest everyone for sitting at home, especially those people he needs to keep making money for him and the oligarchs.
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u/nachuz 11h ago
Apathetic is the impression you get, but you have to keep in mind that if you live in Russia and voice your opinion, you will very likely get arrested, and they will do anything they can to keep others from being able to hear it, so of course you will barely see any of that and conclude they are "apathetic"
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u/Electric4ce 12h ago
The problem I think is for that to work, they need to assemble large groups over chats. Chats of which the government has control of.
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u/WhatevMannnnnnnnnn 8h ago
I just saw that the Russian gov is shutting down WhatsApp and Telegram, and trying to force people to a Russian platform (where it promises they can do their banking and social media as well, super convenient... for surveillance, haha).
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u/spazz720 10h ago
Then lead the charge comrade 🙄
Seriously…don’t speak for others that live in an entirely different world than you do.
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u/Tacti_Kel_Nuke 11h ago
Well how you do that? A spontaneous protest (or gathering of people) might be suppressed quickly. Using internet chats? The government can detect that and arrest you before you even start the protest. Word of mouth? The authorities might hear, and the higher the number of people, the higher the chances of some pussy just reporting it to the authorities
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u/Groentekroket 11h ago
We think that about the US as well. The US and Russia are very much alike. Maybe that’s why they are very friendly right now while both fucking over Ukraine.
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u/stargrazer10 6h ago
They have a lot of good people fighting the good fight. Almost to the point of risk to personal safety. Like what happened to Vladimir Kara-Murza, and so many others. And ofc, r.i.p. to Navalany. I would have told those guys, you can fight the good fight, but dont do it where you can be snatched by henchman. Do that stuff from abroad, not in the middle of the Lion's Den. Kudos to their bravery though, they have a lot bigger cahones than I do
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u/WhatevMannnnnnnnnn 9h ago
I have a Russian acquaintance I spoke to just a week before the invasion of Ukraine, he said no one in Moscow knew if the troops amassing at the border were a bluff or they really meant to invade. After they invaded, I watched his FB page with interest; at first his friends and he were critical of the invasion, but gradually they got quieter. About a month in, he posted something critical of Putin, and his friends piled into the comments urging him to move to another platform if he wished to discuss it. He eventually went to just posting pictures of sunsets and things like that.
I haven't called him since then; I didn't want to draw attention to his posts by calling from the USA. Just checked his feed, and he mentions he lost his (government adjacent) job a while back for saying something, and he celebrates this woman being found not guilty (or insufficient evidence) of speaking against the army). Sounds like she lost her job and spent a month in prison, facing a 10 year sentence, and she got out because she's a prominent enough person to get some support from Europe. I don't think USA media bothers to cover this sort of thing.
I'm in Argentina these days so I meet Russians regularly who left everyone they know behind because they don't want to be drafted, or punished for saying what they think. I've also met Ukranians who moved here when the war started. People make a lot of remarks about how Argentina let in Nazis after the war, but they also let in a ton of jews before, during and after the war (230,300 live in Buenos Aires these days).
I think it's hard for us to imagine the legitimate paranoia they're used to living with in Russia.
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u/sumr4ndo 13h ago
The Russians entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Mariupol, Kyev, Bakhmut, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
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u/EnemyBattleCrab 13h ago
They did protest... People were being arrested for holding up blank sheets of paper protesting the war.
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u/TopFaithlessness2320 13h ago edited 13h ago
Yeah, I lived in Saint Petersburg when it happened and people protested for some time. I never saw that much arrests at once, police cornered and scooped entire streets of people. One guy had his leg broken because he dared to run around in a wrong place 6 hours before scheduled protest. And if you are somewhere on the street on any time of the day you are at risk of being just thrown in the police bus without questions.
Edit: I wanted to make make sure I'm not coming off as pro-russian, I feel that everything Ukraine does is more that justified and russian citizens should absolutely feel the consequences of the war their country has started. It's just not as simple as "go protesting or something" when you live in a dystopian dictatorship without any freedom of speech whatsoever
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u/TopFaithlessness2320 10h ago
It's been a few years and the news and mental states were all mixed up at the time, so I might remember it weirdly. But yeah, it really doesn't change much
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u/eIIopoppet 13h ago
I see this kind of sentiment all over Reddit, “just protest omg these guys suck they aren’t doing anything.” They’re living in la la land or just overly emotional arguments.
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u/yamsyamsya 12h ago
it's easy to tell other people what to do when you are anonymous and won't feel any repercussions for their fate
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 11h ago
And Americans who live in a much less autocratic country but also don't overthrow their government.
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u/DansLHiver 8h ago
Americans are hardly even bothered to protest the war of aggression that less than 25% of them support against Iran. And yet they would never consider it justified for Iran to retaliate with an attack on US soil against a target akin to one struck by the US in their country.
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u/nachuz 11h ago
I mean, a lot of those redditors are American, a country where it's a bazillion times safer to protest than in Russia, and I can bet you: even in organized protests they probably would rather sitdown and comment meltdowns on Reddit because it's easier, I mean, that's the stereotype of redditors after all
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u/xX_7HR0W-4W4Y_Xx 10h ago
Honestly most of them are Europeans. They love to browbeat people for being afraid to protest, for protesting but not protesting hard enough, for not rioting, for not forming militias, etc.
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u/FuzzyTIG 13h ago
This isn't accurate. They did protest, they were arrested for it. The reality is that authoritarian systems MUST silence any form of protest whether peaceful or passive. It's bravery to challenge that, but objectively not efficient.
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u/FlyingRock20 6h ago
Easy to say that from countries where they don't shoot protesters down. Same thing would happen like it did in Iran, Russia will kill people.
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u/Christopherfromtheuk 10h ago
Ooh that reminds me of another country being taken over by an authoritarian government. A country which prides itself on the ownership of firearms which would definitely prevent an authoritarian government led by an unaccountable leader.
The ownership of said firearms costs thousands of lives a year including many children.
However, I can't think what that country is and I'm sure it's not a country that sees itself bizarrely as the land of the fre.e because that would make all the people, the literally millions of people whom recited some weird pledge every day of their young lives be massive larping hypocrites and I don't think that could happen these days.
Maybe I read it in a book.
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u/Any-Signal8899 14h ago
It's the thing these dumb fucks don't understand. They're all going to end up dead on the battlefield at some point but they're more like 'F it I'm just gonna close my eyes and think happy vodka thoughts' lol
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u/npd2004 13h ago
It’s an odd situation. I read that for rural Russians this war has been an incredible economic boost. Sons, brothers and husbands are pushed to enlist due to the signing bonuses equal to years of wages. And if they die, families are getting enough money to buy a house for the first time. There is this perverse belief that well I can’t stop the war it’s better if we win, plus I can make bank. Of course Russia is burning through cash reserves and jacking inflation to pay for all this.
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u/Bobbytrap9 13h ago
Russians have also shot down multiple passenger jets since the war started in 2014
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u/fin-freedom-fighter 3h ago
Can we say the same thing to Americans?
They voted a pedo twice, so they deserve bad things happen to them?
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u/Constant-Plant-9378 13h ago
No sympathy. Russia is Putin's own MAGA land - and Russia's people mostly support him.
May they get what they've voted for.
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u/nachuz 12h ago
Americans don't protest against their government and you expect Russians, a country where you can get insta-arrested for protesting, to do so?
Blame the Russian government and military, but the people don't have much of a say unless they do underground stuff which, you know, you wouldn't hear about or it would defeat its purpose
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u/darienrude_dankstorm 7h ago
Americans have protested their government in wartime tf are you talking about
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u/TrueDuality 9h ago edited 9h ago
I'm not sure what reality you're living in but there have been endless and nearly continuous protests in the US against our president since before he initially took office. They have waxed and waned in intensity but never gone away. Have the protests resulted in any change? No, of course not. Maybe in some small ways but not meaningfully yet. Protestors don't have as much power UNLESS the officials in charge care about their opinions in anyway. We may be weeks away from a comeuppance but I've hoped for that for several election cycles, even the first one where he was elected was an absolute SHOCK that our controls failed in such an egregious way.
When the checks and balances that push felonious criminals out of office fail OR they control the judicial system in defiance of everything the organizing society has built around there is a disheartening amount of real power individuals have. We have both along with a total pacification of the third body that is supposed to prevent this situation occurring with the other two.
This is exactly what happens under authoritarian regimes similar to Russia except there haven't been any roadblocks to the power structures there for a long time. What we're seeing is a defense being overwhelmed and slowing down the attackers, not stopping them. All defenses against anything do not STOP attackers, they raise the cost to implement successful attacks. These attackers are willing and able to pay that cost.
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u/FiNNy-- 9h ago
You are terribly informed. There are protests all the time. We have one coming up soon for no kings protest as well which is country wide.
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u/EternitySearch 7h ago
You are uninformed. Americans are literally protesting every day.
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u/18MazdaCX5 14h ago
This 'invisible' war to the average Russian needs to become much MORE visible to them so they understand what their admin has done here (for years now). It looks like that increased awareness may finally be starting. Burn their 'Amazon' warehouses down, get their gas prices sky high, and make flying inconvenient for them. A good start.
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 13h ago
Same with MAGA dummies in the USA. It took diesel prices, unbearable cost of living, and their loved ones getting deported to make them feel anything.
It sucks that the rest of us have to deal with inflation and chaos etc but only then do some Americans fukn care. When it affects their wallet.
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u/HowelPendragon 12h ago
Par for the course, unfortunately. The only time Americans are upset is when gas prices go up. I don't even think the other issues played as much of a role as gas prices have. I can only hope the MAGA crowd at the very least don't show up to vote, because they are dumb enough to continue voting red even in the face of these multiple crises.
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u/putin_my_ass 11h ago
Par for the course, unfortunately. The only time Americans are upset is when gas prices go up.
That's not true. If you imply they have some responsibility, or ask them to do more to stop their government they get very upset.
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u/Remarkable-Month-241 12h ago
REPUBLICAN VOTERS SHOULD STAY HOME THIS ELECTION!!! Y’all can’t be trusted to make the right choices when it really matters.
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u/RainbowwDash 8h ago edited 8h ago
It's interesting that you compare the average russian to MAGA americans
If the onus is on your everyday russian to overthrow their regime waging an expansionist war, would the same responsibility not hold for the average american whose regime is causing a global fuel crisis?
(for the record, I do believe the responsibility does lie with them in both cases, though I also can't really blame anyone, in any circumstance, for not risking their own life)
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u/Martyriot15 13h ago
Should do the same to US citizens as well.
Trump and Putin are two sides of the same warmongering coin.
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 12h ago
russia has been targeting civilian infrastructure since day one of them invading their sovereign neighbors which they started 4.5 years ago. they've killed over 17,000 civilians and wounded over 52,000. they have taken over 20,000 children in verified cases out of ukraine into russia or taken from ukrainian families and given to russian families in occupied terrorities, which is part of the definition of genocide
they've attacked hospitals over 3,000 times, schools over 1,600 times, and culturual/religious sites over 500 times. they are a terrorist state
over 100 civilians were killed by Russia in the last week ALONE, and Trump still says Ukraine is at fault for defending their sovereignty
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u/404_No_User_Found_2 8h ago
Is it seriously invisible?
I'm genuinely asking, that's wild to me if that's the case
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u/18MazdaCX5 8h ago
No, likely not in the technical sense. But, I don't live in Russia, so who knows. But, I do live in America and I see all the propaganda the government puts out. Let's talk about Iran for a second. The American government makes it sound like we are winning. They don't say a peep about all the US bases in the Middle East that have been heavily damaged/outright destroyed. I think a lot of people here in this country think that maybe we are beating Iran. How would they know any differently if they just believed what they heard?
Now, let's talk about Russia. I would imagine it's the same thing. Putin has tried hard to make it sound like this war is necessary - they had to do it as it was threatening Russia. But I think his goal was to keep the war at arm's length and not in the lives of everyday Russians.
Now you've got 'Amazon' warehouses being bombed there... drones flying into Moscow... airport delays. Gas stations running out of gas. I mean that is something that is tangible that is going to affect a lot of people. Maybe some of those people weren't previously paying attention to the war. Now they are.
But, the other thing is... as more and more Russians get killed every month that exacts a toll at home too as more and more Russians start personally experiencing the toll of war in the form of death to those in their families who are serving in the Russian forces.
I'm just guessing. But I see how many people have their head in the sand here in the US and it's not a stretch to me at all that there are millions of people like that in Russia who also operate that way day to day.
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u/CordwainerMudworble 13h ago edited 13h ago
I support the right of Ukraine to implement sanctions on Russia. I support sanctioning them hard.
Sanction the runways, terminals and the empty planes. And the Kremlin. Edit: In fact just sanction the entirety of Moscow, and Петербург, as hard as they can.
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u/DanfromCalgary 13h ago
The US is going to be pissed if Russia isn’t able to invade further . Not sure why .. and no one is asking why .. seems odd doesn’t it
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u/HarmoniousJ 10h ago
Plenty of people asking why, the issue is that the current admin won't answer those questions. Probably because the answer is obvious that Trump is at the very least cooperative with Putin.
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u/Tree1Dva 13h ago
This should be happening daily in Moscow. If Ukraine can't have any civilian aviation, at the very least Moscow shouldn't, either
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 11h ago
Especially considering that air travel is gonna affect wealthier people with more influence, business people, etc. Air shipment of packages. I think the Wildberries strikes were an excellent move - disrupt people from buying/selling goods, that's gonna hurt a lot of people.
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u/insanityzwolf 10h ago
Zelenskiy had vetoed this same "M&M" proposal by Fedorov, but after the latest Trump antics he's warming up to it.
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u/Toutatous 9h ago
Europe was buying weapons from the US. The US was limiting the way Ukraine could use them.
Now, Ukraine can do whatever they want, at least.
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u/GreenFox1505 7h ago
We're about to see how much restraint Ukraine had for the puropuses of international relations with US. Now that Zelensky isn't trying to get on Trump's good side, we'll see more direct attacks.
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u/denimbabe 13h ago
I feel bad for the regular people stuck in those airports but this is what the war has come to.
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u/orcofmordor 13h ago
Heck yeah !!! Hit those fing bot farms helping the Traitor-in-Chief while you are at it.
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u/cricolol 10h ago
Take out their aircraft control towers. That shit is used against Ukraine. Valid military targets.
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u/BarelyHangingOn 9h ago
I checked the flight aware app last night after seeing a post and there was one plane in the air. LOL.
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u/Gay_Giraffe_1773 7h ago
What this is all is teaching us is that Drone Warfare is the present and future of war and everything we've known about waging war is rapidly becoming obsolete and the United States is damn lucky that we have huge oceans between us and countries that we are actively militarily sparring with. An Intercontinental Attack Drone is probably not far off, and hooooooooo boy when those things come online, we will not be ready.
Also:
On 9 October, according to multiple reports, the presidential aircraft carrying Vladimir Putin — returning from a summit in Turkmenistan — was unable to land in Moscow due to a drone attack and was diverted to St Petersburg. Putin's plane was not reported to have been a direct target.
Damn.
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u/NotThePersona 4h ago
I mean you guys have been picking fights with Canada, so land war is still possible.
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u/Photmagex 3h ago
Would that be the same Canada that has announced plans to team up with Ukraine on drone development?
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u/DoubleBack9141 2h ago
Intercontinental attack drones are much more vulnerable to our own air and missile defenses, they simply do not play to the strengths of drone technology in modern warfare. Much closer to a ICBM honestly.
Now, on a carrier such as cargo ships or subs and secretly deployed? THAT would be devastating and much more powerful than simple long range drones.
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u/number_six 2h ago
Yeah I can imagine the same style of attack that Ukraine effected in Russia with their trucks that snuck in and let loose the drones deep inside Russian territory. Imagine a sea can full of drones at the port of Los Angeles or Baltimore opening up and just launching hundreds of suicide drones. Yikes
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u/PloppyTheSpaceship 9h ago
I wonder how much damage would be done if drones actually attacked the runways. While they're empty, of course (unless a military plane is available to use as a target). Create a few major craters in the runway so nothing can take off or land. True, it won't take long to repair, and then you'd have to fo it all over again.
Similar with power lines, though obviously that's more critical civilian infrastructure (though some will power military facilities, which may have backup power).
Note - am armchair general-ing, never even got past first few missions in C&C
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u/alius_stultus 6h ago
This is the fastest the internet has been in years. All the logs look better on the WAN side of commodity internet. God Bless Ukraine.
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u/Andovars_Ghost 10h ago
LOVE this for them! They can stop all this at any time. Just roll out of Ukraine, easy-peasy.
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u/flamingramensipper 7h ago
I just checked my flightradar24 app and there's basically no outbound flights. Two inbound flights. There's a Turkish airlines flying in circles like an hour away from Moscow so I imagine they're going wondering whether they can land or not..
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u/pjw724 14h ago
Moscow’s airports were closed for 101 hours in the first 14 days of October, more than double the total for all of September.
Ukrainian drones forced all four of Moscow's main airports to close overnight, with Vnukovo, Domodedovo, Zhukovsky and Sheremetyevo suspended for up to seven hours and more than 160 flights cancelled.