"Through Eren’s conversation with Ramzi, we realize that his true goal was never just to save the island or his friends—those were merely justifications he hid behind, things he cared about, but not his primary motive. He admits that he was deeply disappointed and frustrated by the fact that people lived beyond the sea, as it contradicted the world he and Armin had dreamed of from the book. From this, we can deduce that his ultimate drive was to fulfill this selfish childhood dream. This is further supported by his conversation with Armin: when Armin asks Eren if he did all of this for them, the answer is a clear 'no'."

I am currently kinda writing a set-up for a historically inspired, largely Historia-centered AoT AU fic set in the late medieval period, and so I had AoT on my mind quite a bit recently. Simultaneously, I have come across a certain book at a bookstore - The Saga of King Hrolf Kraki (written in medieval Iceland and said to depict legendary events in 5th-century Denmark)- and decided to give it a try. Already in the 7th chapter, "King Helgi's Vengeance," I found a situation that IMO interestingly echoes the plot surrounding Historia and Ymir Fritz in AoT.

Basically, the Danish king Helgi wants to take revenge on the Saxon queen Olof for humiliating him during his previous attempt to attain her as his wife, and he tricks her into a trap in a forest (!), whereupon he takes her to his ship and sleeps many nights with her. He then lets her go. Olof turns out pregnant, and gives birth to a daughter of remarkable beauty that she "treats with complete neglect"(!). She names her Yrfa, naming her after a female dog at her court, and when the girl reaches 12, she is sent to tend to a herd of farm animals at the household of an elderly farmer and his wife(!), and is told that she is their daughter. A year after that, King Helgi returns to the land of Olof, Saxland, curious as to what happened there during the 13 years he was gone, disguising himself (!) as a beggar. He sees Yrfa tending to the herd, and is amazed at her beauty. He tells her that she has the eyes of no mere servant (!), and after enquiring about her ancestry, she tells him that she is the daughter of a shepherd. Helgi says that if she is so poor, it only makes sense that she marries him, a beggar. Though Yrfa doesn't want to, he takes her back to Denmark and marries her.

Now, obviously, this sounds somewhat like the story behind both Historia and Ymir Fritz.
In the case of the latter, it's a powerful king from a foreign land forcefully marrying/taking as a concubine a poor and destitute girl. The significant difference later is that Yrfa is happy with her marriage, which is then turned into an Oedipal-esque tragedy when her mother Olof deliberately reveals the truth to her. Subsequently, Yrfa, unhappy, decides she cannot live with her biological father Helgi anymore.

I'm not saying that this was necessarily an inspiration, but my mind almost screamed at me when I got to the part of Yrfa being neglected by her mother.

Later on, Yrfa becomes the queen of Sweden.

There are surprising parallels:

Helgi setting a trap for Olof in the woods - King Fritz sending his men to chase down founder Ymir in the woods after the pig incident

Ymir becoming wife/concubine to King Fritz - Helgi seizing Olof/ Yrfa years later out of his own desires

Historia living below her birth at the farm and being neglected and even hated by her mother - Yrfa living as a poor girl with shepherds and being literally named after a dog by Olof

Helgi returning to Saxland to check what's going on there in disguise - Rodd visiting the farm disguised as, well... not-king, periodically

Historia deciding to start deciding her own fate - Yrfa leaving Helgi

Historia becoming queen of Paradis - Yrfa becoming queen of Sweden

As for the names, it's probably a stretch to look for similarities there too, but still:

Yrfa - Ymir

Olof - Alma

I dunno, maybe there is similar material in other sagas and germanic heroic traditions like Beowulf or the Nibelungenlied, or maybe even previous Gothic traditions; the Saga of King Hrolf Kraki is the first of this kind of book that I have picked up so far.

For me, the more legendary part of Eldian lore always did seem like there could've been some kind of Germanic people that a roman chronicler would call something like "the Eldii led by a King called Frisus", - especially since early Marley is portrayed as a mediterranean-esque civilization/people.

What do you people think?

Isnt eren kruger the one telling grisha to tske the founding end form eldia Empire again ?

Isnt eren one of the Main goals want his Friends to live Long lives ?

How do you think eldians (both his former friends & the general eldian population) will remember Eren as a person? A Necessary evil that was needed to break the 2000 year cycle of violence? An Unforgivable monster? A saviour? Tragic figure? All of the above? etc... what do you think the general eldian sentiment about him will be?

Historia is important due to her royal blood and how it opens up the world beyond the walls to us and the characters ->Zeke is later introduced and assumes that role.

They’re the last two royal bloods that were both neglected, used and dehumanised by their selfish parents for their blood. It would’ve been so cool to have them interact.

This twist comes out of nowhere man. It completely ruins Eren’s conversation with Reiner

Yesterday, October 14, Colonel Erwin Smith, commander of the Scouts Regiment armies of Paradise., was born. In my opinion, the best character in Attack on Titan.

Mine is Floch.

Just today I got recommendation for a video which titles jean having crush on Mikasa for 8 minutes and the whole video shows jean getting jealous, getting ignored by Mikasa, and in the comments section they interpreting 1 second eye contact as Mikasa getting intrest in jean, man what level of delusion is this seriously man. And when eremika fan start giving them reality check they paused comment section. Jean fans total brain rot people.

Learning the truth about the world and also how dire the situation is for Paradis and Eldians would have certainly drove him to be more ruthlessly determined and drift away from the others, though he might not be as extreme as the post timeskip Eren we know but still close enough

I really want to read a canon universe fanfic that writes Mikasa as an actual human with interests, personality, relationships and most importantly the significant plot relevance that was supposed to explain ch139.

"Only Ymir knows" lol.

I also want it to bring back Historia's relevance, flesh her our a bit, and have her interact with Mikasa. Because Historia parallels Ymir Fritz, and Mikasa is supposed to relate to Ymir in some way, it would be amazing if they have a fleshed out dynamic together.

Just a reconstruction of Mikasa and Ymir then patchwork for Historia, Eren and the plot.

I'm asking for too much aren't I?

Honestly there was no other ending that could have satisfied the fans more than this one. Besides butchering Eren's character, the ending wasn't bad it's just that he should have won instead.

How are you going to make your MC start an entire apocalypse and not let him complete it victorious?

Looking for artists

Link to the art and artist: https://x.com/papersteeth/status/1839162526732362175?s=46&t=ert5F2GuzUhzXNhKoR430w

Wish we had more time and scenes that explore Eren’s trauma, dilemmas of the mind and relationships with other characters but alas…

Historia choosing not to become queen and remaining with The Scouts?

Or Eren being honest with his friends instead of pushing them away in hopes they can actually help him find another solution?

I have a few questions after rewatching the whole anime with my roommate, maybe I'm not that bright but these questions still linger on my mind on this rewatch.

1. Reiner, Bertolt, and Annie happened to be roughly the exact age to join Military Cadet at the same time as Eren, Mikasa, and Armin. That way the warriors would be present at the reveal that Eren is a titan. What would happened if Marley made the warriors to come years earlier when Grisha hasn't fed himself to Eren?

2. Ymir happened to buried herself at the place where the warriors are at to eat Marcel

3. Not only that, Ymir also happened to be turned into a titan also at the exact age to join the military

4. Not only not only that, Ymir just happened to be around when two Wallists are having a conversation regarding Historia, prompting her to join the military

5. Why is the world so one minded to unite themselves against Paradis? The only nation that is on Paradis' side is Hizuru and while yes, they want to monopolize the resources, this is not stopping Paradis to reach out to other nations first. Even irl nations are trying to be buddy buddy with the nations that had developed nukes, is there an explanation why the world is so single minded beside the Eldians are inherently devil?

6. Why is Mikasa's tattoo or sign or whatever only showed up once and never be brought up again? They already established that she's oriental by her looks, so if said plot device is removed, will it affect other plot points?

7. Why is Ymir (founder) so adamant on having Mikasa as a relatable figure when she has more similarity with Historia? Both being impregnated against their will and a really important historical figure, hell they look alike in certain scenes

8. If the rumbling truly destroyed 80% of world's population and nations, millions of Colossal Titans wouldn't be enough given the timeframe. The AoT's world mirror our earth and I don't think people realize how big the earth is.

9. What happened to the now human Colossal Titans after Eren's death? I remember vaguely Isayama saying they were lynched or whatever, if we assumed the Colossal Titans to be numbered in millions, lynching them all would be impossible. Hell, it's even more likely that the Colossal Titan form their own nation now that 80% of world population is gone.

Eren’s the same as Reiner? Nope
Eren moved forward to see past that hell? Nope
Eren seen something past that hell? Nope
Eren seen a post rumbling in chapter 90? Nope
Re reading the manga is so fun. Chapter 91-99 are such great chapters to read. But all I can think about is the ending. I don’t care what anyone says. Eren wanted to move forward to see BEYOND that hell.

Recently, me and a friend have begun to work on a project in discord:

Attack on Titan, New Eldia.

What is it? Well, a CRP and normal RP server for the world of Attack On Titan. We offer large amounts of lore and in depth dives into our collectively beloved world created by the GOAT Hajime Isaya-

Wait wait wait. i’m getting ahead of myself.(\slaps himself on the face*) Here’s the setting first:*

The Year is 864, ten years after the Rumbling. Said event massively backfired around the time that Eren was halfway through Marley, decimating the country itself, but not progressing beyond that point.
The Marleyan Military and other workdwide forces focused their fire on Eren AND the alliance early on, killing both Jaeger and every single one of the Alliance members. Ten years later, the world is recovering, yet the power of the Titans still exists, resulting in a mad scramble for power between nations like Hizuru, New Eldia, the MEA, Ekhaya, The Kingdom of Paradis and Marley.

In this world, assume any role for your OC ranging from Titan Shifter to Ackermann, or even a regular, strategic human like our Hero Erwin Smith! All of these classes have their own unique drawbacks and advantages, balancing a world originally revolving around the Titans and their holders.

Right now, we have barely begun, so anyone is welcome to join, but i warn any potential joinees to be prepared to NOT be a Titan Shifter, considering it’s first-come first-serve(Though if someone makes a better OC concept for the Titan, they’ll likely be chosen even if they came later)

As for RPing, uhh well diplomacy and themes are EQUALLY as important as combat.

If anyone wants to join, please express any said intentions in the comments. We’ll be glad to have you!

I’ve been ruminating on this theory for awhile, ever since I saw the ‘extra chapters’ adaptation in the movie version of the end of AOT. I didn’t watch the whole thing, just that bit to see what they did. I’ve finally had some time to sit and type this out, so here’s my theory on what the intent was behind the AOT ending. As I am posting here you can probably guess I don’t think it was very well executed.

The important data from the movie version is twofold: First, the tree is still there, so Gothkasa and co are in fact on Paradise. Second, it is some time after Titans were last seen. These combined imply Beren didn’t reawaken them and may have been entirely a device of the movie they were watching. The exact timeline is unclear: Translations I saw said a hundred years, but the anime ending implies it’s been a bit more than that, and anyway they may not be speaking exactly.

So we put this together with a few other data points. Notably, Eren’s visions previously showing Gothkasa, and Eren’s father Grisha was shown SOMETHING but not everything. For the latter, whatever it saw it a) convinced him he needed to give Eren the Titan serum and thus cause the deaths of the royal family, but b) didn’t convince him the rumbling was necessary. Lastly, we have Yams saying he wanted Eren’s motivation to be the ‘basement’ of part 2.

Putting this together, I think what Grisha saw was Gothkasa’s crew, which as far as he could tell was Eren, Mikasa, and Armin living happily in a peaceful world. He wasn’t willing to kill, however indirectly, for Eren to grow up in a war-torn world, forced to fight. But he was if it meant Eren could grow up in a peaceful world. What he wasn’t clear on was how older Eren fit in. He went ahead and took the chance, but since he wasn’t shown what else would happen, he guessed that the rumbling might not actually be needed.

I think this is what Eren saw too. As part of the process of getting from point A to point B happened while both the Founding Titan and Eren himself were gone, he was really unclear how this would come about, but he wanted to do it… he had to do it, to get to that scenery.

That scenery being Gothkasa. In other words, it was all for that Gothkussy.

Yes that’s a horrible pun but no, this post isn’t a joke. I am totally serious. In fact I think the broad outline of 'crew gets reincarnated into a peaceful time' was intended at LEAST since Eren’s vision of Gothkasa, but possibly earlier. Thing is, he couldn’t figure out a graceful way to get from point A to point B. He also seems to have decided that wasn’t really sufficient motivation for Eren as he had become, so every possible motive got tossed in a blender and we got him having no clue while he was doing anything. Combine this with conflicting goals of wanting to draw the rumbling but also not wanting to promote genocide and also wanting the Attack on Castes or whatever to be limited to the tankoban, and there never really was a big reveal. I think the movie ending was SUPPOSED to be the ‘big reveal’, but as it still left a good deal of ambiguity, it was never really satisfying. Now maybe it wouldn’t have been satisfying anyway, but while I’m no happy about many aspects of the ending, I think I can accept this view of Eren and Grisha’s motivations. Maybe it’s not true, but it hangs together well enough that I can accept it.