doctor who really shouldn't be a doctor starterpack

[u/theotherMarie]

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[u/Rorre_404]

my dentist has a very aesthetic office, but he's one of the nicest ppl i've met.

[u/sashikku → u/Rorre_404]

Same. Mine comforts me every step of the way, explains what he’s doing, checks in with me between every step. Uses a very calm and level voice with me. Funny story, he dropped a tool and reflexively caught it by punching it against my face. He apologized so many times, like “oh sweetheart I’m so sorry, is there anything I can do to make up for this??” (he has daughters my age so idc when he calls me pet names).

The dental assistant at my last dental office called me a crybaby and told me I should be ashamed to be acting that way as an adult. I was just quietly crying because I have severe medical anxiety.

[u/Rorre_404 → u/sashikku]

i'm actually my dentist's special patient. My condition is very rare and he uses my xrays and records in his lectures and dissertation. I think thats why he's so sweet to me, gives me ice cream every visit.

I went to a different once for 2nd opinions (very reputed hospital) and he treated me like shit. Glad I stayed with him

[u/sashikku → u/Rorre_404]

I think I’m only special because I’m his daughters’ age range and I look like them lol, my husband said he’s nice to him but not overly so like he is with me.

Ugh sorry that happened but really glad you have a dentist you like bc the visit can either be awesome or torture and it’s up to them.

[u/Rorre_404 → u/sashikku]

yes, the reason I have to get my current painful treatment is because my previous dentist never explained to us about my condition. If they explained my problem properly and gave me the treatment, which was really mild, I wouldnt need to suffer much and spend this much money now. If i was any late, my jaws would've been permanently disfigured

[u/metamorphomo]

Idk if I’m being stupid, but I literally cannot understand the first two bold sections

[u/eresibae → u/metamorphomo]

First one is like "do you drink alcohol?" "No I don't" "that's weird everyone does" kind of thing

No idea what the second one means lmao

[u/alarumba → u/eresibae]

A councillor asked me if I smoked. I said of course not! They replied "huh, that's weird..."

It then clicked that every other teenager with depression was smoking, so maybe there was some relief to be found. Took 10 years to break that habit.

[u/PM_ME_ACID_STORIES → u/metamorphomo]

surprises patients with traumatic procedures they've made part of official record they will not do under any circumstances, still has the nerve to act shocked they actually mean that

It took me a while to parse this word salad.
What they're (poorly) attempting to say is;

The doctor will sometimes suggest a medically-necessary procedure/ exam/ treatment that I do not consent to. "And [the doctor] still has the nerve to act shocked" when they [the doctor] ask [the patient] if they [ the patient] are sure.

I work in an ED in a support role. The starter pack OP sounds like every insufferable patient that comes through there.

I'm talking the kind of idiot that declines all lab draws/ IVs because of a fear of needles. Like, you came to the ED ; needles are part of the transaction.
Are you having an emergency or not?
People having real emergencies don't have time, energy, or capacity to pick-and-choose treatment/ evaluation like a burger king order.

The doctor "has the nerve to act shocked" because OP is declining medically-necessary treatment or evaluation against their advice. The advice of the professional that they came to.

Doctors will respect the OPs dumbass decision to refuse treatment/ evaluation. But they have to discuss the medical reasoning for why they recommend any particular treatment or exam and offer it regardless.

[u/Ski_Fish_Bike → u/PM_ME_ACID_STORIES]

Physician here. Glad it wasn't just me who noticed OP is insufferable.

[u/RealAmericanJesus → u/Ski_Fish_Bike]

Not a physician but an advanced practice nurse. And for some reason Ops post reminded of a near daily practice frustration....

I'm PNW right now and it's all about organic and natural... I'm in psych ... And suggesting evidence based pharmaceutical treatment? No never. I prefer natural treatments. That's big pharma. That's chemicals.

Your think I just told them to balance their humors with leeches. Well they'd probably prefer that to be honest because by their logic " leeches are natural".

But Not lithium apparently... Despite being one of the three original chemical elements created in the universe during the Big Bang, alongside hydrogen and helium...

... Obviously the formation of the universe was a conspiracy by drug manufacturers to get everyone on pills!

Yet... while they my patients won't take meds because they are "ew chemicals" and even under court orders +I do restoration of competency outpatient) they are also self described meth Sommeliers. Not addicts. Sommelier. They just taste it. Not use it. There is a diffence it's not a problem! Like :

"Ah yes, excellent legs on this one. I’m getting strong notes of burnt plastic on the nose, a mid-palate of battery acid, with a long, complex finish of unrelenting paranoia."

"It pairs beautifully with not sleeping for 96 hours and dismantling a microwave."

I'm like dude where you finding that all natural organic meth? Lol.

FDA Approved, Lab-Tested Evidenced Bases Treatment: "Poison. Chemicals. Big Pharma trying to control my soul."

Mystery Powder cooked in a Gatorade bottle behind a dumpster: "This is medicine".

The internal logic here does not compute.

And they get mad that I literally have to do my job and offer treatment and report the refusals.... Like my dude...

[u/Hypothermal_Confetti → u/metamorphomo]

I agree, the wording is very confusing and I am not really sure what the paragraphs are saying

[u/maxkmiller → u/metamorphomo]

it's amazing how bad people are at writing lmao

[u/mushu_beardie]

If this is because they're prescribing birth control for endometriosis, you should know that BC is the only medication we have that actually prevents it from getting worse. If it gets worse, it can metastasize to your other organs. There have been cases of women needing to get kidneys and other organs removed because of how far it spreads.

Think of it this way: it's not "birth control." It's hormonal medication that prevents the growth and spread of endometriosis or helps with whatever else you have, and it just happens to have pregnancy prevention as a side effect.

I actually went on birth control at 16 to deal with PMDD. I wasn't having sex at the time. I just needed to not be crying and crazy for two weeks out of the month.

And if it's for accutane, they probably can't even legally give it to you without you being on birth control, because they can't know if you're going to slip up, and rapes happen. They don't want to risk creating a baby ball of tumors, because that's what happens if you get pregnant on accutane. And you don't need to be on it forever. Accutane is temporary. You go off the birth control once you're done. If you're on birth control and not having sex, then it shouldn't be breaking the rules.

[u/Fildok12]

lol “pushes patients to unnecessary interventions” but also “won’t offer interventions to chronically ill patients”. I think you yourself are a different type of starter pack.

[u/active_ignoring → u/Fildok12]

OP is very clearly anti-medicine and anti-science. They don’t need to make a coherent point if they can get everyone to join their pity and hate train!

[u/Wolfpackat2017 → u/active_ignoring]

Pity party victim

[u/seau_de_beurre → u/Fildok12]

The kind of patient that sees the doctor's office as a restaurant where they can order off the menu. "I don't want you to check my cholesterol, I'm soooo healthy, but also if you don't prescribe me unnecessary antibiotics I will complain to patient relations."

[u/BenAfflecksBalls → u/Fildok12]

go to the doctor
doctor runs some tests and tells me that I need treatment to become better
no, doctor, I talked to my friends on discord and chatgpt so we have to do it this way
no

[u/Not_my_real_name_26 → u/Fildok12]

I'm SO GLAD the top comments here recognize this. These patients are absolute nightmares to deal with. No amount of explanation satisfies them and they take so much time and they're never happy.

[u/le-derpina-art → u/Not_my_real_name_26]

tbf i imagine going to the doctor would also be a nightmare when your family has centuries of inbreeding under its belt (this has been confirmed in multiple posts and she even made a starter pack about her fucked-up genetics)

[u/IamVerySmawt → u/Fildok12]

“Hated patient” starter pack

[u/Expensive-Parfait708 → u/IamVerySmawt]

Bro what? Doctors don’t employ nurses. Directors of Nursing (or similar titles, depending on your country) employ nurses.
I am a nurse and you can sure as shit bet none of the doctors are my boss 😭

[u/Adventurous_Ad7442 → u/Expensive-Parfait708]

My husband employs 2 nurses and 1 nurse practitioner in his office.

[u/NuttingWithTheForce → u/Fildok12]

Oh they clearly are, but that doesn't invalidate folks who get bounced around from doc to doc over a chronic/treatment-resistant illness who are told these kind of things. Example: fuck you just take some gabapentin about it. Some folks just have an attitude that renders them in no condition to be seeing patients.

[u/devoutdefeatist]

I had to get gum recession surgery which I guess a lot of people do for cosmetic reasons, and the periodontist who did them for me was all of these things and did a terrible job lol. Despite all the pain, money, and just plain old meanness, the worst part of the whole experience was the hyper-“modern,” rich-ass decor in his office. The desk was this weird, wavy sculpture that was trippy to look at sober and utterly nauseating when you’re high on surgery meds. Apparently it has been puked on before. 

[u/luitenantpastaaddict]

yea sometimes i need to talk patients into doing a treatment, because it really is better to do The Treatment if you want to feel better.

[u/MintChucclatechip → u/luitenantpastaaddict]

OR the procedure will reveal more info about the patients condition, because we can’t treat someone based on “it hurts when I do this”

[u/Dr_on_the_Internet → u/luitenantpastaaddict]

"Hey, doc I have a problem."

"OK, try this."

"No." Rants on internet about the egos of doctors for having the gall to recommend evidence-based treatments, and not whatever they read on an internet forum.

[u/UglyAFBread → u/luitenantpastaaddict]

Well, the patient is within their right to refuse The Treatment or The Examination, but they shouldn't have the right to file The Lawsuit or The Customer Complaint if their condition failed to improve. Which judging by how the starterpack was written, will definitely happen lol

[u/TheVisageofSloth]

>Medication you are morally opposed to

[u/FormerShitPoster → u/TheVisageofSloth]

Yeah this feels more like "nightmare patient" starter pack

[u/HusBee98 → u/FormerShitPoster]

I am a doctor, and I am glad people can see through this starterpack into rhe reality of OP.

[u/Major_Meow-Meow → u/HusBee98]

The first pic (“only employs mean nurses”) did it for me. How fucking awful do you have to be for ‘every’ nurse to be mean to you?

They are not all angels, but they have seen some things and have a very high bullshit tolerance.

If you’re running afoul of everyone in this profession, the problem is you.

[u/PigeonBoiAgrougrou → u/Major_Meow-Meow]

Yeah. I've been hospitalised twice, have a treatment in injections, get my blood drawn a couple times a year- basically I see doctors and nurses a lot. And while I've had bad experiences with doctors a lot*, 95% of nurses I've met were incredibly sweet and nice. And the 5% left I forgive them because of the shit work conditions. Everyone has a bad day, and I've never been insulted, at worst it was the nurse being a little dry.

*The doctor thing I can explain mostly by the fact that I live in a semi medical desert and most good doctors get overbooked very fast which leaves the overpriced doctors who gives you a med prescription and call it a day and the decent ones but that are far in the countryside and I have no car to see them. I'm not situated in the US either.

[u/UglyAFBread → u/Major_Meow-Meow]

Professionalism isn't enough. They want nurses to have the perpetual Starbucks Barista customer service smile and give them everything they want

[u/Independent_Mousey → u/Major_Meow-Meow]

Usually there's a great deal of misogyny when it comes to viewing all nurses as mean girls.

[u/ABitterKing → u/Independent_Mousey]

which is hilarious because they then claim the drs are being misogynistic to them for being chronically ill or something.
these are the same people who will assume every woman in healthcare is a nurse and never a dr.

[u/Lost-Connection-859 → u/Major_Meow-Meow]

If everyone is mean maybe you just have a personality disorder...

[u/UglyAFBread → u/HusBee98]

There are asshole healthcare workers, true, but they're outnumbered by professionals who at least care about their jobs.

If everyone OOP meets is considered mean, incompetent and negligent, either they're incredibly unlucky or just have impossible standards.

I'm inclined towards the latter.

[u/Scratchums → u/HusBee98]

Same. I don't think we're looking at an "I'm hesitant to start taking a statin" kind of patient.

[u/Blueson → u/HusBee98]

90% of the people who complain about doctors online are just horrible patients.

I am not counting people who complain about things like the healthcare system in the US and shit. Just people who complain specifically about how their doctor treats them.

[u/FireflyBSc → u/Blueson]

If you have one or two bad experiences with doctors, you might have had bad doctors. But if you have that with enough physicians to create a starter pack…

The physician isn’t the problem.

[u/janabanana115 → u/FireflyBSc]

I feel like having several issues not taken seriously adds to the chances of becoming jaded and in turn becoming shitty to medical staff. Like I had so much bad/neglegtful experiences in the past I could not visit my VERY NICE gp wothout bursting into tears for like a year straight, let alone other doctors.

[u/Apple_jack_gacha → u/Blueson]

I don't know in other countries but in France there is a systemic issue that leads to medical abuse because doctors don't get updates on their knowledge and the lack of doctors means they have to take more and more patients so you might wait two years to see a specialist 20 minutes and you won't get to the root of the problem. Due to this many doctors get burnt out and start, knowingly or not, abusing their patients. We shouldn't overlook people who complain about doctors cause more often than we think, there is an actual issue, sadly it is often out of the doctor's control

[u/TonyAllenDelhomme → u/FormerShitPoster]

Everything checked but allergic to tramadol

[u/TheVisageofSloth → u/TonyAllenDelhomme]

“I’m allergic to every pain medication except the one that starts with the letter D” dilaudid

[u/Beece_Ltd → u/TheVisageofSloth]

It's wild how many patients say this thinking we haven't heard it before. Word for fucking word.

[u/Pox_Party → u/TheVisageofSloth]

"Diclofenac? You got it, pal!"

[u/Bust_Shoes → u/TheVisageofSloth]

Dylenol?

[u/Iron-Fist → u/TheVisageofSloth]

Really sucks for patients who need opioids, I did an in-service going over sickle cell guidelines with a bunch of hospitalists because they kept treating them like drug seekers when the guidelines scream "just treat their pain, they have been on opioids since childhood and are going to die before 40"

[u/cephal → u/TheVisageofSloth]

Dolobid? Sure, 1000 mg of dolobid coming right up!

[u/lostkoalas → u/TonyAllenDelhomme]

Lmao I’m a doc and I get patients like this in the hospital sometimes. 10/10 pain but normal physical exam and declines all imaging, bloodwork, or further work up. Allergic to all medications except IV Benadryl and PCA dilaudid. Dawg….I cannot help you.

I’m a pediatrician and so I also get lots of patients in clinic whose parents are “morally opposed” to vaccines and get mad at me for wanting to discuss, and then get mad at me like it’s my fault when their kid isn’t allowed to go to school, doesn’t qualify for PT, or gets meningitis or RSV that lands them in the hospital. Lmao like I don’t know what you want me to say man.

Also get a lot of patients who decline all work up and medications and then get mad I don’t magically know what the problem is, and that I don’t have a magic pill to magically fix their problems. Like why are you even here man, clearly I have nothing to offer you.

Lost a lot of respect for OP from this post.

[u/Electric999999 → u/lostkoalas]

Declining vaccines should count as child abuse and get overruled, the only person who should be able to say a child doesn't get a vaccine is a doctor who diagnosed some condition that will stop them working, and in those rare cases having everyone else immunised to guarantee herd immunity is even more vital than normal

[u/lostkoalas → u/Electric999999]

I have seen so much permanent horrible, horrible shit happen to young kids who were unvaccinated - and that’s not even including death. I have so little patience left for these people.

[u/OrganicAverage1 → u/Electric999999]

Refused to schedule with GI and then mad that no one has ordered the the colonoscopy they need.

[u/Worriedrph → u/TonyAllenDelhomme]

She is morally opposed to treating headaches with anything other than Dilaudid and Xanax. Why are you trying to treat her immorally? 😂

[u/Yummy-Bao → u/FormerShitPoster]

Got the same vibe, it just sounds like every doctor that doesn’t automatically agree with OP is evil.

[u/4_dollahs_a_pound → u/FormerShitPoster]

Patient that expects you to respond to their 8 messages at 3am starterpack

[u/Beece_Ltd → u/FormerShitPoster]

Very first thought when seeing the starterpack.

[u/spleen4spleen → u/FormerShitPoster]

absolutely

[u/Tomas-TDE → u/TheVisageofSloth]

I will say I told my psychiatrist I wasn't willing to switch to Vyvanse from Ritalin because Vyvanse only comes in gelatin capsules and I keep kosher and she said I was SOL so I switched providers.
I guess you could argue that's a moral objection to medication.

[u/temp_vaporous → u/Tomas-TDE]

Doesn't kashrut allow for that in medication if no reasonable alternative is available? IDK could be wrong, I'm Conservative so I don't follow it as strictly as I probably should be.

[u/Tomas-TDE → u/temp_vaporous]

If there's no reasonable alternative is the key here. There was no real justification to switch me to Vyvanse over Ritalin

[u/mushu_beardie → u/Tomas-TDE]

Also if Ritalin is working for you, there's no reason to switch, especially to a drug that is different chemically. Vyvanse converts to amphetamines in the liver. Ritalin is methylphenidate. Amphetamines can be more potent, which can be a bad thing if you can't tolerate it well.

[u/GotLowAndDied → u/Tomas-TDE]

That sounds reasonable tbh

[u/theshortgrace → u/TheVisageofSloth]

that stuck out to me as well, but maybe i’m just jaded after the last few years of living in the USA 😞

[u/Rococo13 → u/TheVisageofSloth]

Not morally opposed to but you didn't have doctors trying to feed you anxiety meds when your entire body is in pain all because “the tests we're clear”

[u/RevelsInDarkness → u/Rococo13]

Oh I just heard this yesterday! Funny thing, my intense pain has nothing to do with my two back surgeries in two years and fixated vertebrae. It's just stress! I should go to therapy!

"Doctor, I have panic disorder, yes I have a tendency to worry, but I already am on anxiety meds, I have been in therapy intermittently for 20 years. What do you suggest I do?"

More therapy! And just learn to relax and don't get agitated over your agonizing pain.

Just relax. Why hadn't I thought of that? Made myself a cuppa tea, watched a movie, hugged the cat and POOF 5 YEARS OF PAIN GONE! (Do I need to add /s?)

Those prosthetics and screws in my back couldn't possibly play a role in my pain. Silly woman, just chill and ignore your disabling pain.

[u/Apple_jack_gacha → u/TheVisageofSloth]

I don't know if that's what they meant but I have been offered a treatment that's literally just ketamine for headaches I've lived with my whole life and don't bother me much, morally I couldn't just take one of the worst drugs for symptoms that don't impact my quality of life, therefore I was morally against this treatment. That might be a bit of a stretch tho.

[u/Einteresting → u/Apple_jack_gacha]

That's not morals?

[u/Hopeful-Air8246]

Just an FYI that nurses in most settings don't get hired by doctors nor work for them. Nurses get hired and work for other nurses, especially in the hospital.

[u/Careful_Hedgehog_ → u/Hopeful-Air8246]

OP does live in Monaco and seems to go to small private clinic so doctor being an owner and person who chooses all stuff is a possibility

[u/SlightlyLostPossum]

Can somebody explain the surprises patients with traumatic procedures... part to me? Reading comprehension is failing me

[u/BaxtersLabs → u/SlightlyLostPossum]

This is a poster that comes around here very frequently. She's a rich girl from Monaco and holds some very old-school Catholic views/has some takes that us commoners would probably not relate to. Also has a lot of health issues due to the Monaco gene pool being closer to a gene puddle.

Anyhow in relation to this: She doesn't want to take birth control because she will only have sex for conception (her match-made husband will understand this as part of the marriage agreement)

In an above comment unfortunately she says she's been raped twice, and the surprise procedure is a pap smear. She will only do it if heavily sedated.

[u/Minnow_Minnow_Pea → u/BaxtersLabs]

Yeah, she's putting the physician in an impossible position.

A pelvic or e.g. a transvaginal ultrasound could absolutely be triggering. Totally reasonable. But if you're having pelvic pain, how else is the physician going to diagnose it? And in the absence of a proper diagnosis, where the patient is unable to go through the diagnostic procedure, 'try birth control' is reasonable advice. Birth control tends to help with the things that tend to help pelvic pain.

I'm not saying I don't believe she's in pain. And her being abstinent is irrelevant. How are you going to complain if you refuse both the diagnosis and treatment for the pain?

It's like getting puffy all the time, refusing to get allergy tests, refusing to take an antihistamine, and complaining that you're puffy all the time.

[u/SirHippocrates → u/SlightlyLostPossum]

Evidently from other responses by OP, pelvic exam.

Which is kind of fair, it shouldn't be a total surprise and they should mention when scheduling the appointment unless the indication only comes up during the visit.

[u/ratwithawig → u/SlightlyLostPossum]

when I was in an eating disorder clinic, they had to give me a physical exam. I asked my examining doctor to be gentle and announce when she was going to touch me (especially my stomach) because of previous trauma. she rolled her eyes at me and was extremely rough, pressing HARD on my stomach. she got annoyed when I was triggered, and proceeded to tell me I “wasn’t skinny enough to be anorexic”

I imagine it could be something like that

[u/unhappyrelationsh1p → u/SlightlyLostPossum]

Pap smear. It's probably necessary but OP is an observant catholic and has sexual trauma and can't handle that. Most patients generally can get thst done willy nilly but it's something many women really need to mentally prepare for.

A good doctor has to take these into account when treating, even if they would know the correct, logical course of action, they still work with people.

[u/global_peasant → u/SlightlyLostPossum]

I believe they mean that when a patient expresses that they cannot tolerate a procedure, the doctor just ignores them and schedules it anyway. People experience pain and other symptoms differently, so what is a simple, painless procedure for one person (or most people) can be intolerably painful for someone else. The procedure might need adjustments (like pain medication beforehand) or to be replaced by another procedure (e.g. different kind of imaging). A good doctor listens to their patients and works with them on finding solutions that cause the least amount of pain and trauma.

I have some personal examples as a former nurse and person who has my own "will not tolerate" procedures.

[u/MintChucclatechip → u/SlightlyLostPossum]

Probably about someone who describes a procedure very vaguely and makes it sound like not a big deal but once you’re doing it it’s actually much more invasive/painful than expected

[u/Remarkable_Log_5562 → u/MintChucclatechip]

Tbh, donating plasma doesn't sound bad, until you have a 17g needle poking out of your large vein, and every time you pump/squeze your hand you feel the fucker shif/jiggle. (For reference, we use a small 23-25g needle for steroid injections into the knee/shoulder. 28g for local anesthesia (lidocaine). 18g we use to draw medicine out of vials. 17g is bigger than the already huge 18g needle.

Medicine is painful, there's no other way around it

[u/sahhbrah → u/Remarkable_Log_5562]

I did a BMT via apheresis and that needle feeling over the 8 hour proceses is something that sits with me 15 years later

[u/Remarkable_Log_5562 → u/sahhbrah]

Yeah... and it's "just" a needle.

[u/Marshal_BalainIbelin]

Certain meds like psych meds and accutane or retine have disastrous side effects on children. So, can’t have accutane or those psych meds if you aren’t on birth control - liability is too dam high for that. It can be really hard to trust a patient will stop her meds immediately after having sex because “no one thinks they’ll get pregnant the first time” assaults included… 1) That child can be irreversibly damaged 2) That child or the parent can then sue the doctor regardless of the disclosures given possibly costing a doctor his or her family maybe even the doctor’s license. Lawyers have fucked the world and removed all personal responsibility from patients.

[u/lunarabbit668 → u/Marshal_BalainIbelin]

You know what, I may honestly be ok with giving teratogenic/baby-killing medicines without requiring birth control as long as we sign an iron-clad legal contract supervised by a lawyer that the patient can never ever ever ever sue me for giving them the autonomy. Hoping I can get the lawyers on my side for once

[u/Totodile_]

Sounds like you need some serious therapy

[u/Zargabraath → u/Totodile_]

Oh I’m sure they don’t like therapists either, lol 

[u/RuneMaker022 → u/Totodile_]

And there's nothing wrong with that. The things mentioned in the starter pack could very well lead to needing therapy.

[u/Totodile_ → u/RuneMaker022]

Nothing wrong with needing therapy, but there is something wrong with putting all this blame on the doctors with this meme format

[u/spyker31]

I parsed that as “Doctor Who shouldn’t be a doctor” and was very confused

[u/sensible-sorcery → u/spyker31]

glad i’m not alone

[u/MeringueMammoth5679 → u/spyker31]

It’s a garden path sentence!

[u/Eastern-Ad-3586]

I’m a physician. A patient’s right to choose what happens with their healthcare is sacred and should never be trampled on.

I make recommendations but the patient decides.

Also the ego thing is super annoying yeah

[u/babyBear83 → u/Eastern-Ad-3586]

And what’s with the mean triage nurses? It’s like you get a nurse that is a solid gold angel or you get the one that will not even respond when you talk to them, like you just ruined their day by your very existence. Some nurses just are there for the pay and have no business being a care taker of anyone.

[u/Oolongteabagger2233 → u/babyBear83]

Eh, nurses get abused verbally nearly daily and physically not infrequently. It's really burnout. If people were nice you'd have more nice nurses. 

[u/Electric999999 → u/babyBear83]

They spend all day dealing with the general public, likely including both people going through some stressful emergency they need to respond to and people just wasting their time or trying to get drugs, as long as they're doing their job I see no reason to complain.

[u/sashikku → u/Eastern-Ad-3586]

Thanks for being one of the good ones. My oncologist performed biopsies on my cervix with no warning. She said she was just going to look at it with a camera & then I felt the pain. “Small pinch” my ass & I was already schedule for a CKC.

[u/Inarticulat_]

My stepbrothers ex-fiance wanted to be this, but failed organic chemistry 3x and had already racked up 60k in student loans and still hadn’t even graduated as an RN. She would say “man I can’t wait to be a doctor so I can walk around and tell all the stupid nurses what to do”

Meanwhile, she was struggling to be a nurse. Thank god he left her.

[u/workingclassher0n]

While some of the stuff seems like OP might be a antivaxxer, bad medical professionals do exist. I went to a new GP a while back and she asked about my health.

I was like 'Well I've been trying to lose weight' and she cut me off to strongly recommend keto (Without knowing JACK about my medical history or having ever seen my blood work to know if that was a safe thing to suggest) and said she carries a food scale in her purse so she can weigh her portions at restaurants, and suggested I do the same. If she had let me finish, she would have learned I had lost 10 lbs through balanced diet and exercise and was happy with my progress.

She then suggested that my asthma, which runs in the family and I have had since I was a kid, was weight related, and only reluctantly agreed to sign my Albuterol prescription. Like even if it was weight related I don't think preventing me from getting an inhaler would have helped me lose weight??? I completely checked out and didn't discuss any of my other health concerns with her because it was clear she wouldn't be able to see them around her massive ego.

[u/lurrainn → u/workingclassher0n]

I’m going to guess that’s a young/inexperienced NP or an md with an eating disorder who needs to go to treatment cause carrying around a scale to restaurants is insane

[u/AreWeOkayEveryone → u/lurrainn]

Yeah this seems like the MD is suffering from disordered eating

[u/CakeDayOrDeath → u/lurrainn]

Even seasoned doctors can be shitty. I've been out as queer for a long time. A GP I saw in my late teens told me that I should "seriously consider" being with a man and that I would be much happier with a man. She later told my parents that she told me this because gay people are more likely to get STDs so she told me what she did from a clinical perspective.

[u/MinervaKaliamne → u/workingclassher0n]

Ewwwwww to the scale in the handbag bit. I hate that.

[u/Zayafyre → u/workingclassher0n]

Everytime I have bronchitis I casually mention that I used an inhaler for it as a kid and they throw albuterol scripts at me.

[u/theotherMarie → u/workingclassher0n]

I'm not an antivaxxer and I have no idea where that idea would even come from

[u/da-bears86]

Idk dude... I'm a physician, but I've been a patient a lot longer than I've been a doctor.

Even the most well-researched patients (including physicians who are patients themselves) often don't realize how much goes into medical decision-making. There's a lot more happening behind the scenes than people appreciate, and decisions that seem illogical from the outside are often based on factors the patient isn't even aware of.

And the reality is, there are far more patients than doctors, so naturally you're going to hear a lot more complaints from patients sharing their side of the story, often without the full clinical context. Meanwhile, physicians generally can't defend themselves or explain their reasoning publicly because of patient confidentiality.

I'm not saying doctors are above criticism or that patients don't have legitimate complaints. But holy shit, give these people a break sometimes. Most physicians are overworked, trying their best, and making decisions based on a lot more than just "vibes" or what seems logical to someone who spent a few hours researching online.

[u/Cooked_by_Mcat → u/da-bears86]

I agree, I used to work with patient advocacy and then went into med and realized how much goes into medicine that patients are unaware of

[u/zoetwilight20]

Is the medication your opposed to the pill? I’m guessing endometriosis or pcos.

[u/TheMedRat]

It’s giving “patient who refuses everything you offer them and then whines you aren’t helping them get better”. So glad I’m private practice and can choose what patients I see.

[u/turdally → u/TheMedRat]

Right? It’s giving “chronically complaining patient who refuses to do anything to help themselves then blames the doctor for everything” starter pack

[u/Fluffy_Cat_5174]

this reminds me of the doctor who said walking 10k steps a day to go to uni and back doesnt count as real exercize because its not on a treadmill

[u/acceptablehuman_101]

This seems oddly specific 

[u/Zargabraath]

Oh look, one of those starter packs where OP is trying to bash someone else but inadvertently reveals their own massive negative traits 

[u/ProjectMcDavid]

Psychotic patient starter pack lmfao

[u/seau_de_beurre → u/ProjectMcDavid]

I know. I was like...this is giving nightmare patient, not nightmare doctor.

Edit: Her other replies on this post say she's Catholic and opposed to birth control.

[u/UglyAFBread → u/ProjectMcDavid]

I swear patients like these give the chronically ill population a bad rap

[u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

I went to college with so many of these future doctors, I almost became a medical malpractice attorney.

[u/FlyConfident1622 → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

Did anything specific stop you? I’m interested in malpractice but idk any lawyers

[u/Autistic_Briar_Rose → u/FlyConfident1622]

Husband. I would have been a non-traditional law student, and he pretty much made it clear if I went it would be the end of our marriage.

[u/sarahgene → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

What is his logic there?

[u/Autistic_Briar_Rose → u/sarahgene]

He failed out of law school so he viewed it as a personal insult, even though it had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the fact that we were going through infertility and it made me feel good about myself and got my mind off of it. He was then convinced I was going to become some high powered attorney who had no time for him and dumped him for a younger model

[u/rachiechu888 → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

Girl that sounds like a husband problem… :(

[u/rivchamp → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

Girl dump this guy and go chase your dreams?? Why tf are you letting a man’s insecurity get in the way of that

[u/iamunableto → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

sounds like he was projecting that last part onto you and then was upset when that future became more likely for you than for him

[u/iraqlobsta → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

What a freaking man baby

[u/premedthrowaway567 → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

Girl what the fuck dump him??

[u/D1sgracy → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

What’s the point of a partner that’s unsupportive/doesn’t believe in you?

[u/theshortgrace → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

what the hell?

[u/FlyConfident1622 → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

I hope you made it (edit: make it!) out of there eventually ❤️ lots of non traditional law students doing great stuff

[u/SirRagesAlot → u/Autistic_Briar_Rose]

I'm a doctor, and sometimes I fantasize of becoming a malpractice attorney after seeing the care that sometimes gets handed out.

[u/ABitterKing → u/SirRagesAlot]

that’s the truth hahah. i sometimes am shocked at what patients tell me. my husband is a dentist who deals with nervous people and he’s the same, so shocked at the treatment they got as kids or whatever which made them nervous.
however, i wont deal with arguments or patients grabbing me to stop me when im doing something

[u/Sorvak]

“The doctor won’t give me my benzos and opioids with unlimited refills”

[u/rhubarbjammy]

“Doctor I visited once and decided I didn’t like” starter pack

[u/SansReproache143]

I promise I will not be like that.

[u/Pratham33 → u/SansReproache143]

I've promised that to myself, too. 

I'm an intern doctor, and i examine patients thoroughly and listen to all their complaints, and ask a lot of questions 

Though the other day, a patient just shamed me saying I'm taking too much time listening to his complaints and examining him, thinking about what should be his treatment, while saying the other doctor he usually goes to takes only 2 minutes per patient. 

And he clearly meant it in a way to put me down through his tone. Experiences like this make me hate people a bit more everyday, though I joined this profession to make lives better

[u/Audio-Kitty → u/Pratham33]

I’m a nurse and the medical professional is filled with negative experiences like this. It can be extremely abusive sometimes but don’t let it change the thorough provider you are. It’s your license and you’re doing the best by the patient, even if they are too dumb to appreciate it. The good experiences and the times you know you helped someone make it worth it.

[u/AromaticZebra906 → u/Pratham33]

You will need thick skin and not take those things to heart tbh. Shake those off. You're doing great. 

For every bad patient you have, the 5 others will at least have a neutral experience. And 5 others will be eternally grateful for taking them seriously.

I am always trying to show how thankful I am to doctors who help me but sometimes I forget to do it. I am grateful for people like you who try to be helpful.

Everyone has a different method of work. Some people can be slower others faster, and you're an intern. Ofc you need to take time to do things.

Impatient people are really annoying, it isn't your problem. You're amazing.

[u/Eastern-Ad-3586 → u/Pratham33]

Can’t please everyone man. Keep being a good one!

-a doctor

[u/theotherMarie → u/SansReproache143]

The good thing is it's very easy to not be this way

[u/LadyProto → u/SansReproache143]

Please remember those with chronic illnesses. CFS/ME/Fibro/what have you.

[u/SansReproache143 → u/LadyProto]

I have sworn to myself that I will take every patient seriously, unless I find a damn good reason not to.

[u/BummedBookTime]

I'm a doctor, in the inpatient setting and none of these were even on my radar for colleagues I feel shouldn't have been a doctor.

[u/Infamous-Package3982]

Ouch. Sorry you had to deal with that.

[u/LykosDarksilver]

The psychiatrist I had as a kid was almost exactly like this.

He was recently convicted of essentially turning his practice into a pill mill when the payments from pharmaceutical companies weren't enough anymore. He also has a long history of shady financial dealings, including strong evidence of money laundering and embezzling.

[u/mimielise → u/LykosDarksilver]

Doctor’s don’t receive kickbacks or payments for prescribing medications from pharmaceutical companies. Full stop.

[u/ViktorRzh → u/mimielise]

Ha ha. In countries with slightly less regards to actually following regulations... they get paid persentage of farmacy sales to suplement powerty wage.

[u/HenFruitEater → u/mimielise]

Yeah 100%. Hilarious how confident lykos was in their BS.

[u/Careful_Hedgehog_ → u/mimielise]

If you outside of USA and big western countries they in fact do get paid for prescribing brands of medicine they have unofficial affiliation with.  

Especially "therapist office" since in many countries who can call themselves therapist have very low requirements 

[u/RandomRedditReject → u/LykosDarksilver]

Kickbacks from whom, I wonder? Most medications are generic now, so the company who made the brand name drug certainly isn’t paying the doctor for that. And pharmacies default to generic and it’s a big process to get brand names

[u/HenFruitEater → u/LykosDarksilver]

Pharm cannot give kickbacks. you should edit your lie of a comment.

[u/thesoundofechoes → u/HenFruitEater]

Which country/jurisdiction is this about? I think that’s relevant to know before calling someone a liar.

[u/synesthesiac48]

Translation: patient is anti-choice, won’t take birth control, agreed to get an IUD and is mad at the doctor about it

[u/radicalgrandpa]

Sounds like endometriosis or something equivalent where birth control is one of the very few interventions that actually help. It also requires some very uncomfortable examinations, but they're necessary for treatment. I'm sorry, but this whole thing screams "The doctors won't just give me pain meds."

[u/Spirited_Cress_5796 → u/radicalgrandpa]

For certain procedures they absolutely should be giving pain medications and or anesthesia and letting the patient know the reality of how much pain they are going to be in. Inserting an IUD is more than a pinch for an example.

[u/hillthekhore → u/Spirited_Cress_5796]

this is bean soup

[u/sworzeh → u/Spirited_Cress_5796]

I agree. As a doctor that has undergone quite a few procedures awake (IUD, spinal tap, EGD/colonoscopy, and Lipo) the IUD was by far the most painful.

[u/Pristinehornet999 → u/Spirited_Cress_5796]

I've heard it's a pinch for some women and very painful for others. in that case you might as well just assume it's painful for everyone

[u/radicalgrandpa → u/Spirited_Cress_5796]

I absolutely agree. It's barbaric how little pain relief we're given for these procedures and for our chronic pain and illnesses. I am on the receiving end of this. However, treatments need to be exhausted before doctors will prescribe pain medications for something that you're choosing to decline treatment for. Not to get too gross, but part of an examination was the Dr inserting her fingers into my vagina and palpating my abdomen after a pap smear. That's not the same as a biopsy and doesn't require the same treatment.

Yeah, some people have vaginismus and some people have xyz. But my point still stands. OP comes off as somebody completely unwilling to go through all of their prescribed treatments, which they are.

[u/Altruistic-Jaguar-53]

This look more like the OP didn’t get the adderal script they wanted starter pack

[u/piratedragon2112]

Has a cane

Hates lupus

[u/big-booty-heaux]

The more overly aesthetic the office is, the worse the care will be. Every time.

[u/Helen_Cheddar]

Don’t forget “tells every female patient to lose weight no matter what”

[u/Poot_Beer]

This post seems like a weird difference between scared patients and dumb doctors (speaking as someone who has been both)

[u/BicarbonateBufferBoy]

Meta starter pack but it’s “insufferable patients” and posts like these are part of it

[u/lightbluebeluga]

This is very bizarre to me and seems extremely overblown by a very very small and select few. Doctors 99% of the time work like dogs. They've sacrificed everything to care for you, and it's both unfair and unfortunate the few like this have such a disproportionately loud I fluency

[u/cloudpup_ → u/lightbluebeluga]

The post says “doctors who shouldn’t be doctors” not “all doctors” lol

[u/ClemPrime13]

… I genuinely thought this was supposed to be about Doctor Who at first…

[u/Brill45]

This was clearly written by someone who has never interacted with more than like 1 doctor who they did not like

[u/RubberDuck404]

You need to pretend you have no idea what your problem might be when describing your symptoms, otherwise they get offended. It's all a game of playing dumb until they reach the same conclusion as you did. But they can't know.

[u/AffectionateHeart77 → u/RubberDuck404]

If it makes you feel a little better, I am in medical school and a lot of our professors are telling us to ask patients what they think they have, especially if it’s something they might have experienced before. It makes sense to me honestly, if they’ve had it before they probably know what it feels like more than i do

[u/ImpressionClassic665 → u/RubberDuck404]

Wasn't an psychiatrist, but I also played dumb when getting diagnosed with OCD by an psychologist 😅 I still play dumb, because I don't want to be humbled.

[u/PoorCorrelation → u/RubberDuck404]

I made the grave mistake of saying I had strep once. Queue the long lecture about how it’s almost never strep. How people always assume strep even when it’s more likely to be something viral, maybe even allergies, or acid reflux. How antibiotics won’t help me and I should feel bad for wanting them. Finally he asks why I think I have strep.

Someone else at his office diagnosed me with strep a week ago after a positive test.

So he doubled down and said he still didn’t believe I ever had strep. Sometimes it’s chronic in your tonsils and you’ll always test positive even if you have something else.

I had a tonsillectomy 5 years ago. And had had negative strep tests since then.

He tripled down, sometimes they miss some tonsil.

[u/ExpressChampionship3 → u/PoorCorrelation]

Mine grew back and i had to get them taken out twice!

[u/Responsible_Chain409]

Honestly there’s probably a laundry list of reasons why your physician keeps reoffering a certain treatment, likely because it’s the approved treatment for your condition. A prudent doctor exhausts the treatments that are the safest and the most recommended before looking to other alternatives. There’s this idea that doctors are looking down on patients from their ivory towers when in actuality there’s a good, evidence based reason for their treatment plan.

[u/SpiritNo6626]

Just says "alright I'm prescribing you something for that, it's called XYZ" and months into taking it you learn it's not a normal thing to be prescribed for said physical issue, but a random mental health medication that has never in the history of it's use been prescribed for anything like what you're diagnosed with

[u/Vague_thread → u/SpiritNo6626]

I wish more people would google the meds they got prescribed

[u/Worriedrph → u/Vague_thread]

I wish more would talk to a pharmacist. Google/AI are terrible at medicine. So many people come to me as a pharmacist thinking wet sidewalks cause rain due to Google.

[u/Financial-Report8439 → u/Worriedrph]

I mean, I get it with AI, but my impression with just googling stuff is that it's pretty accurate. What isn't accurate and the actual problem in my opinion is how people interpret the stuff google give's them. Like they go to the wikipedia page of a medication, read its main use, don't bother to read the secondary ones that are there too and than confidently claim that the medication must be wrong, because it wasn't prescribed to them for the main use.

[u/Worriedrph → u/SpiritNo6626]

What drug and condition? Google/AI are terrible at medicine and often tell people common treatments aren’t used for conditions they are commonly used for. Off label treatments can often have good evidence for use. My guess is a SNRI like duloxetine for pain.

[u/TheVisageofSloth → u/SpiritNo6626]

That doesn’t happen. If that were true, the doctor would lose their license. Just because your googling doesn’t show that a medication could be used for a specific purpose, doesn’t mean it isn’t. Like for instance, SSRI’s are actually effective for chronic pain. You wouldn’t know it if you googled, but they are used for it

[u/Financial-Report8439 → u/TheVisageofSloth]

You would, if you google in a competent way, this litteraly from wikipedia, first sentence in the "Medical uses" section (highlight by me): "The main indication for SSRIs is major depressive disorder; however, they are frequently prescribed for anxiety disorders, such as social anxiety disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, panic disorder, obsessive–compulsive disorder, eating disorders, chronic pain, and, in some cases, for post-traumatic stress disorder." If you google "SSRI chronic pain" you get a whole bunch of results detailing how they're used for this purpose.

The main problem with googling medical stuff isn't the results you get, they're pretty accurate if you stay on page 1 results and don't dig into the conspiracies on page 10. It's people's reading comprehension and patience to read the articles they find in full.

[u/PM_ME_ACID_STORIES → u/TheVisageofSloth]

Some medications are sometimes prescribed "off-label". Meaning they're prescribed to the patient to treat or manage a condition without FDA-approval.

For example, some clinicians have found that prescribing certain blood pressure or heart rate control medications can be effective in treating people with anxiety conditions when prescribed off-label.

Certain anticonvulsants (meds to prevent seizures) are prescribed as mood stabilizers off-label; some are prescribed off-label to manage substance abuse/dependence.

Zyprexa is approved as antipsychotic to manage psychosis, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc.. but is used off-label with some cancer patients because it can manage the severe nausea caused by their chemo.

[u/sum_dude44]

posting this goes on Someone w/ a TikTok Disease Starterpack.

[u/Lakadaizical]

Another thing that grinds my gears are:

Misinformed professionals even though they SPECIFICALLY STUDIED for that area

Incredibly old doctors who need to retire like, right now

[u/trypan0s0miasis]

This a very much a personal experience to you

[u/ZiggyTheNooBts]

So you’re refusing treatment and diagnostic methods and getting surprised doctors say you’re uncooperative and dismiss you? What do you want them to do then?

[u/Greedy_Warthog6189]

21 out of 25 doctors i graduated with are like this. They are usually the Derma, ENT, plastic surgeon, orthopaedics, radio types.

[u/bitchmittz → u/Greedy_Warthog6189]

How is rads doing this lol

[u/Porlarta → u/Greedy_Warthog6189]

My ortho was a psychopath. Totally full of himself.

Did a perfect job on my shoulder surgery.

I feel like you sort of have to have a big ego to play god like that lol.

[u/gojocopium → u/Porlarta]

no. ego leads to closemindedness to protect said ego. which leads to more issues in a patients medical care at time goes on

[u/Vague_thread → u/Porlarta]

No, plenty of great doctors and professionals aren’t full of themselves. Being full of yourself and thinking you are an infallible god leads to mistakes

[u/leeman9224]

Caribbean school ‘mon

[u/Blurgas]

While I don't think my current dentist shouldn't stop being a dentist, I am definitely considering finding a new one.
Part of it is the drive is damned long now, but the main part is I was trying to get her to understand something I was worried about with a crown I have and she basically dismissed it as me not flossing well enough.
She finally believed me that something was wrong when the crown fell out of my head

[u/SkyPork]

Okay I was entirely misled by the title. Came here wanting to see arguments against Doctor Who practicing medicine.

[u/New-Past-5534]

This seems.. oddly specific.

[u/PomPomMom93]

Fat-shames you.

[u/Head_Veterinarian866]

hereby 80% of premeds