r/politics • u/brithus • 12h ago
Possible Paywall Trump White House Made Horrific Decision to Cut Ukraine’s Internet Ukraine said that its internet terminals abruptly stopped working, preventing it from fending off a Russian attack.
https://newrepublic.com/post/216726/white-house-made-decision-cut-ukraine-internet-starlink990
u/supercyberlurker 12h ago
Yes because Trump is a Russian asset.
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u/pm-me-ur-inkyfingers 12h ago
which has been obvious for two decades
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u/ParkingVisual3735 12h ago
And yet the US population keeps voting for this motherfucker… what exactly are American values?
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u/unraveled01 Washington 11h ago
- Me
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u/blitzkrieg_bunny New Jersey 10h ago
At this point it's "fuck you, I got mine" and I is the Epstein class
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u/DungeonCrawlerLopen 3h ago
Most of these cultists haven't even got theirs. It's more like I'm fucked, and that's fine because fuck you.
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u/GarbagePailGrrrl 12h ago
At least, since before the Soviet Union fell
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u/Python_07 12h ago
There is a special place in hell for Trump.
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u/Chainz4Dayz 12h ago
I'm not really all that religious but for people like him I hope there's something. Something for all of his little cronies and followers that cheer it on too
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u/LocalObligation5642 7h ago
If only what goes around comes around, but it doesn't seem to work that way.
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u/EvaTheE 12h ago
What a shocker. Putin's bitch does what Putin says.
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u/dave22042 12h ago
Otherwise a certain pee tape gets released.
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u/Ch1Guy 12h ago
Im thinking the pee thing is just a misdirect, and its probably a tape of statutory rape of an underage girl or girls.... just a guess from Trumps trip to Russia in 1987.
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u/RobonianBattlebot 12h ago
Nah, "underage" is too blurry of a line. He can say "Oh, I thought they were 18!"
Its definitely kids, and probably both genders.
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u/Special_Persimmon_52 11h ago
Agree. It has to be more than just pissing on someone, as disgusting and inhuman as that is. Look at all the shit he's done for years without repercussions. It'd have to be something with kids. Or men. Or animals. Or he's shown slapping and beating a woman or young girl.
Unfortunately, even then, his most earnest, brain dead followers will claim it's deep fake bullshit.
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u/Sekret1991 10h ago
I've always thought it was a underaged Ivanka or two look-a-like. Then again, I don't think the mob or the billionaires would care if Putin released the video now. Hell, they would probably be cheering him on.
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u/TrisolarisRexxx 8h ago
There could be a verified video of Trump pissing on the minors he assaulted afterwards, and his base would still vote for him.
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u/some_person_guy 12h ago
I'm thinking it's a "p" tape, and it's something he has been fighting to supress for a while now. Russia's M.O. is blackmail, so it wouldn't surprise me if they had extremely comprimising material on Trump that would ruin him.
Although, he's doing a great job at ruining himself.
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u/hausmusik 9h ago
They could have a video of Trump fucking an entire class of 1st graders and it wouldnt change how his base feels.
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u/meatball402 10h ago
What could that blackmail be that would turn his base against him? Nothing to date has done it.
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u/MicIrish_At_work 11h ago
new theory based off of a deposition around the epstein files states that trump was present when a newborn baby was thrown off his yacht. The Yacht had cameras and the footage of course is long gone.
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u/Practical-Ball1437 7h ago
If a pee tape got released, half of his supporters would say that it was AI, and the other half would say getting pissed on makes you a man and will go around in public asking women to pee on them.
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u/brithus 12h ago edited 12h ago
Reuters confirmed that the White House gave the order to disrupt Starlink so Russia could attack Kyiv with no advanced warning. The president apparently acted as a russian asset who aided and abetted Putin’s murder of numerous civilians in Ukraine.
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u/Sure-Distance-7434 7h ago
So much hatred I feel. Let retribution be swift, if it arrives for this fucker at all.
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u/nomsain919 6h ago
He’s one of the most fucked up creatures in history, that’s for sure. His ass needs to age faster.
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u/amprather 12h ago
SpaceXai employees may want to think about if they want to be part of a war crimes organization.
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u/fxkatt 12h ago
This is the critical point. Musk might have been behind this (still uncertain) which means he would have control over almost any country at war... which suddenly has no offensive or defensive positioning.
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u/cosaboladh 7h ago edited 5h ago
That was the point when he offered them starlink for "free" in the first place. It was never not the installation of a nuclear "cripple Ukraine" option.
I know that Ukraine has been in no position to turn down help, but this is what happens when you do business with people like Trump and Musk. Anything they do that seems like help is just an a opportunity to backstab you later.
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u/b_i_g__g_u_y 44m ago
The scene from Leave the World Behind where the Teslas all crash into each other and jam up roadways feels more and more like a premonition after this event.
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u/DrRamthorn 11h ago
How the fuck is this not treason? Trump is literally directly aiding the Russians
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u/IllIntroduction8499 11h ago
If we're getting into technicalities, technically we're not at war with Russia. We are engaging in a proxy war with them, but legally speaking, they're only competitors. Until Russia attacks a NATO nation, in which case triggers an official war with Russia w/ NATO, we're a "neutral" position.... Even though we totally aren't
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u/ClaymationDinosaur 10h ago
"technically we're not at war with Russia."
Which does seem to be no impediment to the repeated attempts to surrender to them.
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u/angelar_ Texas 10h ago
Nobody ever declares war anymore. It's a nigh-meaningless distinction, and truly worthy of "technically..."
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u/Legend_of_Moblin 10h ago
You're technically not at war with Iran either. The only war right now is a trade war with your closest ally. Canada. Allowing these technicalities is why the us (intentionally lower case) is where it is.
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u/Numerous-Process2981 7h ago
There’s a word for that, cold competition… Cold fight… meh can’t remember
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u/IllIntroduction8499 1h ago
You're probably thinking of Cold War. Which is not, technically, a war.
America has been in a perpetual state of Cold War since World War 2. For example, the Cold War against Russia via NATO, Middle Eastern Oil Countries via Israel, an economic cold war with China via NAFTA. Heck, China has replaced Russia as the new primary Cold War opponent with countries like Japan, Singapore, and Philippines as our proxies.
All this to say is that none of these instances of Cold War are declared by Congress, executed by the Executive branch, and confirmed constitutional by the Judicial branch, as an actual war.
The Gulf War, Vietnam War, Korean War, and Cold War are all military conflicts that were extended via Congressional support. These were considered wars in the post mortum, which why we call them Wars today. When the United States declares war, it's not only symbolic. It allows a permisson structure for the government to utilize the full power of the US's production to be singularly focused on a war effort beyond normal military budget.
Make no mistake, we ARE in war in almost every way but name at the present moment, but the intentions of this war has plenty of room to escalate. If a draft is instituted for instance, the Irian war would be considered a War in the post mortum instead of an extended conflict. (If it ever sees an end)
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u/Noy_The_Devil 4h ago
I'm gonna go ahead and call it treason all the same. That's up to the populous, not semantics. Tyrants always forget that the people make the laws in the end.
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u/NaCly_Asian 11h ago
I don't think it counts as treason unless the US is officially at war with Russia.
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u/slawnz 11h ago
Isn’t it treason to aid an enemy at the expense of a US ally currently at war with Russia? Because that’s exactly what he’s done to Ukraine
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u/guttanzer 10h ago
No, the bar is a bit higher. Treason is joining or supporting an enemy that is engaging in hot combat with us. They set the bar that high deliberately to filter out politically-motivated accusations. Geopolitics can be a messy business.
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u/No_Celery_5373 Canada 12h ago
Betraying the entire western world in order to buy what amounts to maybe a single day worth of diesel from a country that has recently assisted Iran in targeting and killing Americans.
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u/DustyStar222 12h ago
Pretty sure Russian domestic diesel production isnt enough for its own demand and they import diesel. More correctly the USA likely bought Iranian diesel from Russia. The US is funding the war its fighting against...again.
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u/pimparo0 Florida 10h ago
The amount of diesel he secured in his "deal" would be like half a day of global use too or something else pathetic.
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u/JUST_LOGGED_IN 10h ago
I thought it wasn't even a half a day global use, but just the United States itself.
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u/pimparo0 Florida 9h ago
Maybe, I only saw the first fast and furious plus Tokyo drift, no clue how much diesel we use day to day.
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u/Companero_basurero 12h ago
If Ukrainian civilians lost their lives because of Trump's decision, I hope he lives long enough to share the dock with his handler Putin before a war-crimes tribunal. The fires of hell are just not hot enough, and eternity not long enough, to punish him adequately.
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u/starliteburnsbrite 11h ago
He's killed many, many more civilians and innocent people than this one incident in Ukraine. Many, many, many... But he will never see justice. Americans don't do justice. We invade, we conquer, murder, we kill, but we don't do justice, here or abroad.
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u/BigPlunk 10h ago
I hope he lives long enough to see American people take some meaningful action to disrupt his campaign of tyranny, corruption, and pure, sadistic evil. I hope Americans find their "red line" one of these days soon.
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u/Bengineering3D 12h ago
So now we are actively sabotaging Ukraines ability to defend itself? This was an act of war.
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u/SuspiciousStory122 12h ago
I think the timing is relevant here. They turned it off basically right before the attack. Does that mean Putin called Trump an said “turn it off so we can attack”? Or did Trump call Putin and tell him Ukraine’s defenses had been actively compromised and he was free to attack?
If it walks like a duck…
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u/charcoalist 12h ago
Just in the past week or so, trump has: Betrayed Ukraine, started buying diesel from Moscow, and pressured the EU to unfreeze over $200 billion in Russian assets.
Providing aid and comfort to the enemy, while stabbing allies in the back.
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u/of_no_real_opinion 12h ago
Dude is making a lot of weird decisions prior to mid terms.
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u/ParkingVisual3735 11h ago
Weird if you don’t think he’s compromised by Russia.
Conversely, if you think he’s compromised by Russia everything he’s done since 2016 starts to make sense.
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u/of_no_real_opinion 10h ago
Oh it’s totally that I’m being very sarcastic which I realize doesn’t translate well if you don’t include /s
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u/Chainz4Dayz 12h ago
Doesn't matter. His cult will cheer for all of it. We all need to go vote in person. Hopefully it's enough of a turnout that even Elon can't change it. At the same time it does make me a bit nervous what this lunatic pedo might do in retaliation.
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u/biscuitarse Canada 11h ago
Putin figures he's running out of time with the midterms looming. He's calling in all the markers now.
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u/APraxisPanda Vermont 10h ago
He is desperately looking for an October Surpise. I'm thinking the October surpise for him is gonna be that he left this month even more unpopular somehow.
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u/Numerous-Process2981 7h ago
He knows when midterms come he loses power, plus he’ll be dead soon from being a decrepit old man. Now is the time to stop caring about appearances and basically just behave like the Russian asset he is.
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u/Few_Employment_7876 6h ago
An active Russian asset and congress doesn't give a damn. Just horrible.
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u/asdf_purple 4h ago
Average Americans do not care much about foreign policy as long as they dont suffer at home.
They care more about their gas price than how many people outside the USA their decision kill.
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u/newfie02 4h ago
And Americans still vote for him and his pals
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u/whatafuckinusername 3h ago
Congressional Republicans are actually largely pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia. It’s just that they’re also pro-everything Trump does and Ukraine just isn’t the most important thing.
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u/EffectiveActive6837 12h ago edited 10h ago
To me its an act of war. It has deliberately caused our allies soldiers to die. Elon Musk and co are insane
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u/maddprof 12h ago
Congratulations, you just ruined any future sales of the StarShield program and any future weapons under development if they can be remotely disabled by the White House whims.
I think I'm more impressed Elon isn't absolutely throwing the mother of all public shit fits. Starlink is like the only true profitable segment under the SpaceX business they have. International distrust of their military version is not for business growth at all.
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u/angelar_ Texas 10h ago
A senior White House official denied that President Donald Trump was behind it,
Oh sure. Just some impish rogue official in the White House was suddenly giving Commander in Chief-tier orders.
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u/PositivelyAwful 8h ago
If a product like Starlink can wield so much power that it can cripple a nation at war with the flip of a switch, perhaps a single private entity should not be in control of it.
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u/LocalObligation5642 8h ago
This is what happens when the EXECUTIVE ORDER receives constitutional authority, which by the way it doesn't have.
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u/LocalObligation5642 7h ago
If I want a king or queen I'd move to England or Sweden or some other place like that.
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u/Careful_Trifle 12h ago
First thought - if they wanted to save Russia, they'd have cut the internet and left it cut, or they'd have focused on when Ukraine runs operations.
Second thought - they don't know when Ukraine is running operations...but they apparently do know when Russia is. That's troubling on its own. Who knew, when they they know, and how did they find out?
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u/jones_ro 11h ago
Traitor, traitor, Traitor, traitor, Traitor, traitor, Traitor, traitor, Traitor, traitor, Traitor, traitor, Traitor, traitor, Traitor, traitor,
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u/Several-Opposite-746 12h ago
What will it take for Americans to grow a spine and kick this POS out.
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u/ParkingVisual3735 11h ago
It appears that they actually endorse this kind of behaviour at the ballot box.
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u/Toomanyeastereggs 9h ago
Donald Trump. War Criminal.
No wonder he wants the ICC gone. He’d never be able to leave the continental United States.
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u/FF36 8h ago
I can’t believe Zelenskyy would risk using anything from either of those two clowns in his defense of his country
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u/j0nquest 7h ago
What’s the alternative? I’m sure Ukraine would love to know so they can tell them both to fuck right off.
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u/bbbbbbbbbblah United Kingdom 11h ago
it makes sense that it was never a Musk decision because "starshield" is managed by the DoD. But the lack of info on who at the WH ordered it would have been a scandal in itself back in the day.
Wasn't there consternation when Reagan's secretary of state forgot how the 25th amendment worked and claimed he was in control of things while the big man was on the operating table?
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u/Amazing_Incident1521 8h ago
I think Ukraine should keep things quiet for a few months until the adults are back in control. Seriously, they are messing with a mad man.
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u/Infinite-Whispers 10h ago
I will lose all faith in humanity if this petty disgusting excuse of a man is never held accountable for the blood on his hands.
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u/Griztronixx21 10h ago
Remember when the fkn idiot rolled out the red carpet for Putin in Alaska? Who is really surprised? Like seriously
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u/Elegant_Magician_372 3h ago
No country will ever trust the US again.
And I don’t think most Americans get how that is going to further hurt the economic well being of many of us.
We must have eyes wide open and learn to stop putting the wealthy on pillars. They are terrible human beings. No more idolizing or ignoring politics.
Get yourself and 5 friends to the polls for blue votes!!!
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u/Mindless-Locksmith76 12h ago
I hope the rest of the world gets on with evicting every U.S. military installation from their boarders and never allows this corrupt nation such international power ever again. I've never understood why they allowed themselves to become so reliant. A smart government should never leave another country so much power in their own nation.
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u/MarcusSurvives 10h ago
When that country has demonstrated that they will provide protection in times of need, it's completely reasonable for a country to outsource that defense.
What Trump has demonstrated, however, is that any relationships that other countries forge with the US, be they trade relationships or diplomatic ones, will be weaponized and used as leverage in furtherance of US interests at the expense of those who engage with us.
While the current occupier of the oval office will one day die, that legacy of indiscriminate predatory behavior towards our former allies will not.
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u/NaCly_Asian 11h ago
If the US president refuses to leave those bases, how exactly would the host country remove them?
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u/Mindless-Locksmith76 10h ago
Its very easy to cut off power and water, close all roads that carry support, and deny them airspace. It would be incredibly easy to starve them out, and the U.S. is in no position to demand support from nations its been hostile to.
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u/Miserable-Debt-8390 10h ago
So what happens when we get a normal president? Don’t treat the current president as the new normal, because he is an anomaly.
The Ran on one platform of peace and he did a heel turn as soon as he took power.But then again I might be debating with a bot in eastern Russia for all I know
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u/Legend_of_Moblin 10h ago
Prove its an anomaly. You elected him twice. You have two parties and neither has done anything meaningful to address it. One of them supports it carte Blanche. I think you need to accept that this is the reality of your country. Its not fixed if trump is voted out. Its going to take you decades to build back any trust.
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u/Miserable-Debt-8390 9h ago
Because how freaking unpopular he is.
His policies on foreign affairs are not supported at all domestically.
Because he ran on a populist , insularisr platform and people ignored the fact that he was kept in check by congress and his cabinet. Both checks are now gone.When he ran again
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u/electromage 9h ago
We thought it was a joke in 2016 and he'd never win, and we were sure that after he was impeached twice and convicted of felonies, he couldn't possibly win again.
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u/NeilDeCrash 9h ago edited 9h ago
So what happens when we get a normal president? Don’t treat the current president as the new normal, because he is an anomaly.
Having a stable relationship with the US is currently quite impossible. The nation is divided and decided to vote an imbecile not once, but twice to a position of power that he now abuses and stomps allies around the globe.
How do you have any kind on partnership with a nation that can make a complete 180 every 4 years, depending who is in power. Today its betrayal and sanctions, then normal and after elections its betrayal and sanctions again?
Sorry, but nobody is going to trust the US as an reliable ally or partner for a long time.
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u/Astrotoad21 9h ago
I get what you’re saying, but two terms of Trump is not an anomaly I’m afraid. Electing this kind of leadership twice is a symptom of a deeply polarized and ustable society.
You have millions of previous MAGA fanatics, a system rigged for billionaires and a deeply corrupt and rotten political system to deal with. Unless radical change happens, and everyone suddenly agrees on some common moral sense, I can certainly see someone like Trump be elected again after a few terms, and the world will need to brace themself again.
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u/Mindless-Locksmith76 10h ago
Trump is a symptom of how corrupt this nation has become, not the cause. If he were an anomaly, our other two branches of government would have already done their job. But they haven't, because this is bigger than him, and will likely need to continue to be purged long after he is gone.
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u/Miserable-Debt-8390 10h ago
I agree with some of your assessment, but let not let off the hook how far the GOP has fallen and how their hubris allowed this monster power.
But before get on high horses, we cannot ignore the rise of right wing politics world wide.
The politics of the MAGA movement can be tied in directly to right wing movements worldwide like Canada(Jonathan Peterson), Hungary(Orban) Argentina(Milei)
Oh we screwed up badly with this monster, but let’s not present this is just a US problem(I am looking at you Sweden, Uk, Germany and France)
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u/MommyLovesPot8toes California 5h ago
It isn't organic, though. This is being done to us. It's not coming from us. You can look at MAGA and say "these people are rotten to the core." And you might be right about half of them. But the other half are desperate, unhappy people being bombarded with propaganda that says "just vote R and all your problems will go away." They don't know about Renee Good and Alex Pretti. They don't know about the children in the Delaney Family Detention Center. They don't know what a "trade deficit" or a "tarrif" actually is, and they sure as shit don't understand things like fascism and socialism. They're just looking for a way out of their misery. They've been herded like lost sheep, by wolves with money in their pockets and blood on their fangs.
They don't want corruption in their government. They don't want billionaires. They don't want money controlling who gets elected. They can be brought back to a shared reality and a shared morality.
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u/thebhguy9900 10h ago
Trump has been elected twice now. We can't wish this problem away or hope it will be over in 2028. The next in line Repugnicans have no spines and are also beholden to the special interests
It's a disease of the electorate. They'll elect more extremist incompetent Fascists over time. Countries would do well to develop their own defenses.
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u/djthecaneman 9h ago
The Republican Party fought for this man. The Federalist Society got what they wanted in his Supreme Court appointments. At least a couple of billionaires have gotten what they wanted from his presidency. And that's a brief look at the short list. He's the direct result of a cycle that can be traced back to the Nixon era.
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u/AliceLunar 9h ago
It happened twice, and it can happen again, no one can rely on America to somehow, magically, stop doing stupid shit.
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u/kikomonarrez Colorado 12h ago
Trump is a Russian asset.
All the mtgs taking place in last few months are to establish homes and avoid ICC sanctions and criminal prosecution.
I feel bad for the innocent citizens of Russia. But getting the lot of these criminals into a data center would be an equalizer for the suffering at their hands/decisions.
Another good reason for open market competition (anti-trust, monopolies, etc.) and regulation.
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u/homebrew_1 12h ago
Isn't this what Republicans held Benghazi hearings over?
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u/QuipCrafter9 11h ago
I thought their main issue with Benghazi was some of our people getting killed- a U.S. ambassador, a state department “information management officer”, and 2 SEALs- that they held hearings over
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u/Cosmic_Seth 1h ago
Yup. And the second that it revealed a Republican senator wife was partially responsible for thoes deaths - suddenly those hearings ended.
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u/SoCal_Jim 12h ago
They must have contingency plans for this. They had to know that he could turn on them at any time.
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u/postconsumerwat 7h ago
Trump, Musk and their ilk, do a good job demonstrating how limited human cognition is. Nepo idiots.
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u/technanonymous 12h ago
If Ukraine loses as a result of Trump's actions, there will be an accounting for him and his collaborators.
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u/ParkingVisual3735 11h ago
That won’t happen. He’ll be dead before any consequence arrives at his door.
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u/Fjdenigris 10h ago
MAGA believes Putin is ok and NATO and the UN (as well as all non-MAGA) are the enemies.
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u/BabyFishmouthTalk 8h ago
Unrelated question: How do you say "Vlad's orange wad funnel" in Russian? 🤔
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u/Numerous-Process2981 7h ago
Scum. Lowly, treacherous scum. America’s record of betraying allies continues.
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u/Crafty_Ish1973 Texas 7h ago
That's because Trump's been on the Kremlin payroll since his father died and the Russian mob started propping him up.
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u/Direct_Elevator1576 7h ago
Europe needs to develop its own tech. We need to cut all dependence on US tech.
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u/CatalyticDragon 7h ago
Zelensky makes Trump look weak and ineffective, ergo, petty revenge which costs thousands of innocent lives because Trump is a psychopath.
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u/MuchDevelopment7084 Illinois 4h ago
Adding to his list of treasonous actions. Perhaps we should reconsider allowing his plan to stream executions after all.
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u/Leather_Force_9419 1h ago
Trumps literally committing treason
And Americans will still sit around n do nothing.
Couldn't possibly do what needs doing, after all they have work tomorrow
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