r/news • u/No_Idea_Guy • 4h ago
Soft paywall Teacher tackled and fought Oregon school shooter
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-seek-answers-after-children-killed-oregon-school-shooting-2026-10-16/231
u/Fallouttgrrl 4h ago
"A day into their investigation of the latest U.S. school shooting, authorities released new details of the scene inside a special needs classroom of Silver Rail Elementary School where three school children aged 5, 8 and 11 and a teacher were killed by a 16-year-old former student."
Holy shit it was a special needs classroom on top of everything?
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u/unfinishedtoast3 4h ago
The shooter was also special needs apparently. His mom had commented on Facebook during the pandemic the "Democrats need to end lockdowns" so she can get help with her special needs son.
This entire thing is just bad.
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u/Stock-Mission-7561 4h ago
The special needs son that she bought a gun for as a birthday present?? She's probably special needs herself. Jesus
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u/candaceelise 3h ago
In an interview today she claimed if she could have prevented it she would have and the irony and ignorance is baffling
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u/ComprehendReading 55m ago
Interviewing an unconvincted-murderer-by-facilitation is wild. Maybe the domestic terrorism charge will be brought on all parties responsible.
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u/Minus_none 4h ago
I hope she is prosecuted to the fullest extent. Buying a gun for someone, especially a child is fucking stupid.
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u/OGdunphy 3h ago edited 3h ago
I think it’s just a fine in Oregon for their safe storage laws. Not even a misdemeanor.
Where I grew up, people start shooting usually between 7-12. Not odd for a 16 year old to have a hunting rifle or shotgun, but of course this kid was special needs as well. That’s another layer.
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u/RedditsFullofShit 3h ago
Everyone keeps saying this. Well I had a gun at that age. So did I. But it wasn’t mine to play with. It was kept locked up, and was only given access while supervised.
They didn’t just buy it for me and let me carry it around the house and sleep with it in my closet etc.
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u/OGdunphy 2h ago
Yeah, when kids are younger for sure and since this kid is special needs, it may be closer to a younger kid. By high school though, in some places at least, people will have rifles/shotguns in their vehicles, like on a gun rack. During the different seasons, many will come in from hunting before school or going after or just lazy and didn’t take it off lol
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u/ICBanMI 12m ago edited 9m ago
I grew up in the Sportsman's Paradise. It was not unusual to give 7-12 years their own firearm... some house holds gave them one and ammo to keep in their room, and others locked them up and only let them have it and ammo with supervision. And if the kids weren't given a firearm, they typically had access to loaded ones that were stew around the house-in a night stand drawer, leaning up in a corner of the room near a door, or laying on top of a shelf.
All I can tell you is, a lot of class mates killed themselves with the family gun or with their own gun before high school. Even if it's locked up, kids are smart enough to break in and gets those firearms.
Easy access kills, even without the red flags of this kid in Bend Oregon. Kids from 2-4 decades ago getting firearms is ignoring a lot of dead people.
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u/-bubblepop 1h ago
I mean for what it’s worth being from the sticks my sisters and I were gifted guns. My dad kept them all however and we weren’t allowed to have them until we could clean them ourselves and had somewhere secure to store them, and obviously none of us had warning signs (my dad was a teacher then in school admin, so close to home). I am mid thirties and don’t like guns so my dad still has the rifle my grandad gave me in 2002 because I never learned to clean it. It’s crazy to think in 2026 but prior to the modern world economy my family got meat by hunting. My dad didn’t have beef until he was in high school. For some people hunting is just normal.
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u/Minus_none 1h ago
I hear you dude, I was gifted guns as well. I’m more talking about “this 16 year old kid wants a rifle, I should go get him one as a present.” When in reality this dudes mom should not have been able to pass a background check or the ATF paperwork. I guarantee you she didn’t check the box that says “I am buying this firearm for someone else”. If you’re a gun owner you are 100% responsible for your guns at all times. If your child has access and can commit such a heinous crime then you deserve to be punished.
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u/Markol0 3h ago
The guy who shot up Sandy Hook was also asbergers kid. Who are these idiots?!
The parents. Kids are also assholes, clearly.
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u/candaceelise 3h ago
She also bought him the shotgun he used in the school shooting and while speaking to the news today said he was a really good kid and that if she could have prevented it she would have.
I don’t understand how a parent decides to buy a gun for their developmentally delayed child who is also struggling with mental health issues.
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u/EnfantTerrible68 3h ago
She should be locked up
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u/candaceelise 3h ago
I completely agree. At some point parents need to be held criminally responsible if their child uses a gun that was obtained from their house to kill someone.
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u/Mper526 3h ago
Agreed. I work in mental health and the amount of children that are either suicidal or violent towards others and that have access to firearms in their home would scare the shit out of most people. I’m 100% convinced that truly responsible gun owners are the minority. And no, keeping your gun on the top shelf of a closet is not “secured.”
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u/candaceelise 2h ago
Yup. If you can afford a gun you can afford a gun safe. There is no reason children should have unrestricted access to firearms.
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u/hananobira 4h ago
That’s one of the biggest reasons I’m glad I quit teaching. I am not equipped to wrestle a gun out of a lunatic’s hands, and I shouldn’t have to be when I should be busy figuring out how to convey the difference between the perfect and progressive tense.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 4h ago
Its amazing how many people seem to think the solution is to make teachers be security guards , better trained at dealing with a murderous lunatic than police themselves
That is insane
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u/SaltyFriend705 3h ago
When are they supposed to teach? The aspect/attitude of a security guard is way different than a teacher.
They literally are vulnerable half the time--back turned, writing on a white board!
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u/my_ghost_is_a_dog 2h ago
And people seem to think that taking a human life is no big deal. I weighed my options for working in public service, but I ruled out law enforcement because I don't know if I have it in me to kill someone, even if it's necessary. I majored in education instead (though I never ended up teaching K-12, thank God).
This idiotic suggestion always makes me think about my sixth grade teacher. She was the bubbliest, sweetest, most encouraging and wonderful human I've ever met. I just cannot imagine asking her to shoot one of her students--or any human--even in defense of her other kids. Or my fifth grade teacher, who was a Native American Vietnam vet. He would not talk about his military service because it was too upsetting for him. Instead, he was a soft-spoken man whose biggest goal was to teach us to be good people above all. I'm 47 years old, and I still think about those two people when I think about what it means to be a good person. Asking people like that who have dedicated their lives to helping children to also be able to kill a child is absolutely insane.
There is a lot I'd do for my own kids, and I like to think I'd be able to shoot someone if their lives depended on it. But I also know that there is some serious psychological fallout from killing someone. It's not a thing people should be so casual about suggesting, especially when they are offloading that burden to others.
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u/the_gaymer_girl 1h ago
Am a teacher. I’m more likely to blow my own foot off with a gun or have it stolen and used in a shooting than actually hit anything with it.
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u/darth_oven 50m ago
Police and security have been proven time and time again to be useless. More worried about protecting their own lives than saving children. Who else?
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u/JohnDivney 3h ago
you'll have to settle for being a tense progressive if you want any change.
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u/Yotsubauniverse 3h ago
All these shootings in public school made me glad my Dad taught where he did. He taught at the State Penitentiary. The most we had to worry was the very rare stabbing (and he took the day off that day.) Its sad when your safer teaching at a maximum security prison as opposed to a public school.
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u/Crocs_n_Glocks 4h ago
Good luck finding a profession in America that doesn't have to worry about someone shooting up the workplace.
I was a social worker and my wife was a teacher, then San Bernadino happened and suddenly I had a taste of the anxiety she went through daily. I'm sure everyone has heard a story about someone shooting up an office/store/school/warehouse/factory/bus/hospital like theirs at this point.
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u/cottonycloud 4h ago
I would think working in people-facing roles and shitty workplaces significantly increases those odds. Not to mention that WFH (though dying out) reduces exposure to that.
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u/SnooDogs1340 3h ago
Yup, there was the Target shooting in the parking lot, a bunch of racist grocery store shootings, religious institutions shootings, school shootings, festival shootings, club shootings, traffic shootings, hospital shootings.
It's just insane. And then there are the smaller stories. Everyday on MSN there is some person angry at their friend, ends up shooting them to teach them a lesson but didn't mean to kill them?!!??!!!
I don't know if we are worse off than being cave people at this point.
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u/Champtain 4h ago
This is true to an extent, but also incredibly anecdotal and misleading. Yes, violence happens now in multiple faucets of daily life, but to pretend America doesn't have a school shooting problem that is far more substantial than for other occupations is to absolutely be putting your head in the sand in regards to the issue.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 4h ago
What?
I could find you tons of examples of jobs that don't have to worry about that.
What are you talking about? What a weird hyperbole
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u/Soggy_Disk_8518 2h ago
I thought that too as a regular boring office worker and then the building directly next to me got shot up in NYC and multiple people died.
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u/illshowyouthesky 3h ago
Yeah, not to mention pretty much every other job doesn't have the responsibility of ensuring 15-30 children don't die every day. Sure other places get shot, but they don't have to worry about trying to silence or evacuate 12 anxious, stimming special needs children who might not understand know what's going on.
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u/BaronGreywatch 4h ago
Are there some jobs/areas where you have to check in your weapons?
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u/scotchtree 3h ago
My (Canadian) company opened a branch in Arizona a few years back and the people we hired asked if we were going to have a gun safe in the back, or what they should do with them… we were just like WTF, don’t bring guns to work. What’s wrong with you people?
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u/Vtdscglfr1 4h ago
Yup I work in a hospital and I think about it every day I go into work. I also often work in an ER that is super crazy with lots of gang activity in the surrounding area.
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u/shrimpedy 4h ago
i’m a receptionist at a busy pediatricians’ office and hope people wouldn’t do this, but i guess they love targeting kids and the amount of parental disputes we have over their child’s medical care… but finger’s crossed!
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u/dmode112378 4h ago
This happened earlier this year. I was admitted there a few days later and was kind of freaked out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Chicago_Endeavor_Swedish_Hospital_shooting?wprov=sfti1
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u/Gingerfraulein 3h ago
Wow this is crazy - I live a few blocks away and remember when this was happening. They found the guy like 500 ft away from where I live. I’m sorry you were in the hospital - I hope you’re doing ok now.
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u/dmode112378 3h ago
OMG!!! And thank you. Just got out again, but I was at Res. While I was at Swedish, they started calling a code and I was panicking until I looked up the code and it was for a fire. Phew.
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u/unfinishedtoast3 4h ago
Of the 34 shootings at hospitals in the US last year, 5 occured inside of the building, with 4 of those being a murder/suicide and 1 being an ED shooting.
We doctors and ER professionals are actually safest at the hospital, as per capita, you're more likely to be shot in your own home than you are anywhere else in America
You can calm down dude. 18 years as a ED physician, 14 seperate hospitals, the only shootings I've seen were gun shot victims being brought in.
A teacher is 6 times more likely to be shot than you.
A pizza delivery driver is 14x more likely to be shot than you.
If you're afraid of shootings at work, you might just need to quit, because you are SAFEST at the hospital.
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u/oh_mos_defnitely 4h ago
Buddy, the chance of being shot at your job if you aren't an armed force or police or something should be about 0. If anyone has anxiety about being in a job that has a chance they may be shot, that's normal. Deciding that you need to minimize someone else's anxiety is a real loser move.
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u/AdventuringViking 3h ago
It should be 0 but it isn't. This is the shitty world we live in. Learning how to cope is the most I can possibly do.
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u/oh_mos_defnitely 2h ago
Learning to cope is a lifelong occupation for a lot of people, an ongoing effort that may not show consistently. Telling other people to quit their jobs because they experience anxiety about workplace shootings is not helpful.
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u/ArtPeers 1h ago
I really want to understand your comment (thank you for posting): what does ED mean?
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u/madogvelkor 4h ago
Years ago a doctor at a hospital my mom worked at was shot by a patient he gave a successful transplant to.
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u/GumDice 2h ago
What a weird thing to say. I work in an office and in no way, shape or form am I at the same risk as someone in public education for a mass shooting. I worked in public education before my current job and during a lockdown they had me at the ripe age of 19/20 guarding a door to make sure a potential shooter that was in the area didn't come to it.
There's a reason school shootings are associated with the US and it's in part because the amount of them. Truly just an odd comment and diminishes the very real fear public educators live with on a daily basis.
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u/cameron4200 4h ago
Why doesn’t anyone want to be a teacher anymore?
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u/OGdunphy 3h ago
The biggest reason is the pay sucks
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u/Kr1sys 3h ago
And you're blamed for every shortcoming from the kids
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u/OGdunphy 3h ago
Yeah, you have to deal with the parents on top of poor pay. It’s just an indictment on how bad things are, but school shootings aren’t at the top of the list of why people don’t want to be teachers as much anymore. And that’s before you factor in how many will actually experience a school shooting.
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u/SheZowRaisedByWolves 1h ago
I made more with entry-level pay than both of my parents combined at the height of their teaching careers and they were in the best district in the area. I didn’t go into tech or anything high-paying either.
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u/InvalidKoalas 3h ago
Get paid $45k with a masters degree to work a grueling job and have the chance of getting murdered, who wouldn't want to do it?!
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u/ImplicitsAreDoubled 4h ago
Crazy that this single teacher did more than dozens of LEOs during Uvalde.
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u/DiaDeLosMuebles 4h ago edited 3h ago
This is one of those dystopian stories disguised as a hero story.
Real headline is that a teacher was forced to risk her life after witnessing the murder of children because congress won’t do shit.
Edit: corrected
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u/HLOFRND 4h ago
I used to teach preschool. My last position was at a JCC.
We had a situation where someone sent packages to us and all of the synagogues in town packages on the same day with threats and unidentified powder… fun stuff. But then we had to do lockdown training with the sheriffs department, and one of the things they told us is once we lock down our room, we can’t open the door until we are cleared by LEOs, even if a student or teacher is on the other side trying to get in, bc the shooter could be using them as bait.
I started having nightmares that a child was on the other side of the door and I couldn’t get to them bc my side didn’t have a handle.
I worked with toddlers- kids 18-24 months old.
I kept skittles in our class bugout bag bc it was the only way I could think to keep kiddos that small quiet in an emergency.
They showed us where in the classroom to hide so if bullets came through the walls we would have the best chance at survival.
Our kids were so little that we obviously couldn’t tell them what the drills were really about, so we called them Baby Deer drills. We told the kids that there was a lost baby deer and her Mama was looking for her so we had to be really quiet so we didn’t scare her away.
I don’t teach preschool anymore.
I would put my life on the line for my littles, but I don’t want to have to.
Toddlers.
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u/lookyloolookingatyou 58m ago
Not that intense but at my job I periodically have to go into an office and watch workplace safety videos and take a brief quiz.
They're usually pretty corny "how do you do fellow employee" tone stuff about fire extinguishers and lockout/tagout procedure. Stock footage actors roleplaying in cheap office settings, fake TikToks, general Full House-caliber production values with a brisk, perky voiceover explaining everything.
Today it was about workplace shootings. Not as a result of any topical story, in fact I was supposed to watch this module back in August. It was filmed in that same cheery corporate stock tone, but with gunshots and people bleeding out in a stairwell. I was a medic in the army (never deployed) so the fictional violence itself didn't phase me but it was so completely surreal.
It ended with three employees huddling in a conference room and improvising weapons out of a lamp, a keyboard, and then there was a slapstick moment where the doofus of the group wonders aloud if a flimsy wire wastebasket can be a weapon.
The gunman enters the room and they carry out the HR-approved process for taking down an armed lunatic.
Step 1: attack the face and eyes to disorient the attacker.
Step 2: grab the weapon by the barrel and hurl yourself towards the ground.
Step 3: sit on the gunman, preferably one person on each limb.
Step 4: pat him down to check for backup weapons, and then wait for law enforcement.
Protip: do not pick up the weapon because law enforcement may mistake you for the shooter and you may be shot.
All of this with upbeat inspirational muzak pumping away in the background. Then I took a brief quiz, and got up and went back to my work station. With the knowledge that my scope of duties now includes bashing a shooter over the head with a lamp and then using ju jitsu to wrench the gun out of his hands.
Democracy manifest.
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u/ul2006kevinb 4h ago edited 4h ago
Also that she's going to have pretty severe PTSD for the rest of her life. She not only risked losing her life but she actually made the rest of her life much worse just to save other's lives.
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u/Binky390 4h ago
She* did anyone read the article?
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u/ul2006kevinb 4h ago
Oh sorry I thought we were talking about the guy who killed the shooter. I'll fix it
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u/Binky390 4h ago
That was a parent that was able to shoot him because the teacher slowed him down.
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u/ul2006kevinb 4h ago
Yeah both of them are going to be having nightmares about this for years. I really feel for them and their families, and hell all the children who went there and their families too. This just ruined so many lives.
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u/odetowoe 4h ago
It’s paywalled.
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u/Lington 3h ago
The shooter made her life much worse. I don't think her actions made her life worse, maybe her PTSD would be more severe if she saw even more kids being slaughtered in front of her instead of tackling him.
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u/ul2006kevinb 3h ago
Yeah when i first wrote this comment I thought we were talking about the guy who killed the shooter. That's really going to stick with him.
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u/americangame 4h ago
She was going to have PTSD no matter what. At least she can sleep knowing she saved more lives by doing something.
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u/geostooorm 4h ago
Yep, absolutely insane that she or any teacher have to even think about these situations
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u/Cucumberappleblizz 4h ago
Yep, I’m a teacher, and we’ve had 3 gun related incidents this year. Each time I wonder if I’m going to have to tackle a shooter or wrestle away a gun to save my kids
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u/geostooorm 4h ago
That’s so messed up, I’m so sorry this keeps happening and I hope someday we live in a country where things are better for you and your students
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u/Cucumberappleblizz 3h ago
Same here, and I appreciate the support. After the second one, a parent was trying to demand we get docked pay for the 35 minutes we weren’t teaching while we were waiting in fear and the police swept the building.
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u/tfdst1 4h ago
I put golf clubs in my closet. They told us we could not have baseball bats
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u/petit_cochon 4h ago
What's their policy on bear mace?
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u/thecommuteguy 3h ago
If in a classroom Is imagine that’s a terrible idea with a room full of students.
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u/noguarantee1234 3h ago
Pretty much. The problem is the headline turns it from "hey - lets limit firearms and focus on mental health so we can worry less on kids / people dying" to "See!!! An armed citizen saved the day!! See we all need to carry!!"
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u/ICBanMI 3m ago
the headline turns it from "hey - lets limit firearms and focus on mental health so we can worry less on kids / people dying"
That's ridiculous of course to come to that conclusion. The pro gun party has been voting against the social safety net-including mental health care-all the way back to Reagan.
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u/jjsw0rds 3h ago
True, but she’s still a hero
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u/msfinch87 1h ago
Yeah, she is.
I totally agree with what the main comment says.
But I still want to acknowledge what she did. I cannot imagine what that situation was like, and despite hoping that I would have the courage to do what she did, I doubt it. It’s an extraordinary act of bravery and strength.
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u/hardlopertjie 1h ago
Lets not forget that a mother purchased her 16 year old special needs child a shotgun. I hope she gets charged and dealt with severely by the law. The blood of those children are on her hands just as much as her child's.
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u/cal405 4h ago
It's so saddening and infuriating that teachers have to sacrifice their lives for children while our legislators sit around justifying the conditions that result in mass shooting in the most sacred places in our society.
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u/Yammyohnine 4h ago
They're too busy on another vacation to prevent Hegdseth's potential impeachment to worry about stuff like this. Reminder that congress has only worked 72 days this year out of 289.
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u/Televisions_Frank 1h ago
All because Republicans realized they can cede most of their power to the executive and use the Supreme Court to keep the Dems from getting anything done in turn when they have it.
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u/vibinthedaysaway 2h ago
I didn’t get it before. It made me immeasurably sad, but I moved on with my day.
My son is almost a year old and I can’t read these articles anymore or I’ll be physically sick. Fortunately, we live in Canada where something like this is an anomaly.
Those poor babies.
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u/unoriginal_user24 4h ago
I am a teacher. I will fight to the death in this scenario. I will go down swinging if hiding doesn't protect us.
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u/Idk_why_Im_fat 4h ago
This teacher should be able to retire and live a life a peace after this. Do they have a go fund me set up yet?
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u/StoneofForest 4h ago
Yep. All of our training tells us to hide and secure but if the shooter is there, I’m doing everything I can to not be a sitting duck. My heart breaks for that teacher.
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u/missaxagal 4h ago edited 3h ago
The standard now is run, hide, fight. Run away from the area if possible. Hide if the shooter isn’t in your immediate vicinity. Fight as a last resort if needed.
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u/boojum78 56m ago
The one thing to take heart in is knowing that the number one thing that stops mass shooters is regular people. Not police, not people with military training, and not even people who are well armed, just regular people who tackle the shooter instead of running. That teacher made the difference.
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u/RustySheriffsBadge1 2h ago
Police were trying to determine what motivated the shooter and how he obtained a Maverick 88 pump-action 12-gauge shotgun, Krantz said.
"Everyone wants to know why, including us," the police chief said. "We may never get that full answer, but we want it."
- I mean it’s pretty simply answer- this country prioritizes the Second Amendment over life. If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything, nothing will. Guns are too easy to get access to.
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u/10th_Patriot_Down 4h ago
This should not be a requirement or an expectation of a school teacher. A Soldier or police officer sure, but not a god damn teacher. Seriously, only country on the planet where this happens on a regular, near daily/weekly basis (talking about any type of mass shooting, not just school, but even then).
Thank fuck they did though.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 4h ago
Gun violence can happen anywhere, in any country at any time. However, I am super glad that here in Canada, our teachers, our students, and our families can send their kids to school and have an active shooter nightmare basically be as close to nonexistent, and not at the forefront of our minds all the time.
American politicians have failed their people by not introducing stricter gun laws. It's just sad.
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u/telos2020 3h ago
The dangerous rhetoric coming from republicans and the general conservative talking heads most definitely led to this child targeting the special needs classroom. I hope these criminals and traitors are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law once progressives are in charge. And I hope it’s live streamed.
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u/Leather_Box9494 2h ago
What rhetoric?
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u/telos2020 2h ago
The killing of three children with special needs and their teacher is a horrifying reminder of how vulnerable these students are and how urgently they deserve our protection. When political leaders dehumanize vulnerable populations, normalize cruelty, and undermine the school programs designed to support children with disabilities, they contribute to a climate in which contempt and discrimination can flourish. We cannot claim that such rhetoric caused this shooting without evidence, but we must confront a culture that treats the dignity, safety, and lives of our most vulnerable children as expendable.
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u/AnimationTD 1h ago
You do realize the killer used to take classes in that special needs class right? The killer was VERY special needs. He tried to break in the front but was stopped so went around back to his old classroom.
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u/stryker_cast 3h ago
And MAGAs will still proclaim Charlie Kirk was a bigger hero than this teach. VOTE. THEM. OUT.
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u/RandyOfTheRedwoods 1h ago
A good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun. It will be interesting to see how this is discussed by different political groups.
This is what 2A people have been arguing for, and yet 4 people are still dead.
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u/KLGChaos 29m ago
And the good guy with the gun was traumatized by what he had to do.
Sadly, many of the people who declare themselves "good guys with guns" would enjoy killing another human.
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u/TheVintageJane 1h ago
When the good guy with the gun showed up, the bad guy with a gun had already been disarmed and restrained by the teacher (who stunned him by throwing her smartphone at him). The good guy with the gun helped ensure he wasn’t able to do more damage, but the teacher had already done a lot of the work.
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u/SueSudio 1h ago
This entire post is about the fact that a teacher tackled the shooter. The Samaritan shooting was likely superfluous.
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u/darth_oven 52m ago
At Sandy Hook the Principal was one of the first to die. She charged and tackled the shooter with her bare hands. The shooter shot her off him and went on shooting.
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u/SueSudio 47m ago
That’s terrible. Sandy Hook was a tragedy that should have been the catalyst for fundamental changes.
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u/sharpdressedman 2h ago
Yet a man with a gun ended it. Expand nationwide concealed carry.
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u/SueSudio 1h ago
A man with a gun killed the shooter after he was tackled by the teacher. I don’t fault him, but the shooting was likely unnecessary based on this new information.
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u/Foe117 4h ago
Man, if Congress at least pass some kind of safeguard on gun purchases and background checks and maybe some common sense laws. maybe this wouldn't have happened but we all know that is never going to happen and never will happen. not in this decade or the next
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u/Goatwhorre 4h ago
Wouldn't matter in this case anyway, the piece of shits mom bought the gun as a gift. For her special needs son 😑
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u/N0_NAME_1 3h ago
Well what exactly do you have in mind since it seems like this incident was caused by a negligent mother buying her underaged, mentally ill son a pump action shotgun. Which a reminder wouldn't be covered under "assault weapons bans" which many anti-gunners push as a solution to mass shootings
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u/Foe117 3h ago
An Assault weapons ban comes from ignorance of law makers and blanket ban the fun shit. What's more egregious is gun dealers not doing enough to detect straw purchases or background checks, or that the background check is so basic and bare, might as well ignore it. Even in a prison situation, you will never stop a determined individual, but you can mitigate their initiative with tougher screenings with information that customer has filed with the Feds and State. Perhaps if the background check revealed that dependant family members are enrolled in special education or a juvenile deliquent that is a dependent, the dealer would have been better informed and would have asked if this was a straw purchase, like "is it a gift ?" or whatever.
Putting more guns in more people's hands doesn't solve shit when the perp has the initiative and shoots their intended victim, and possibly more. It always plays out the same weather or not someone is nearby with a gun to counter them or not, the perp always gets their victim. The better we can screen and mitigate the legal avenues of gun access, maybe the next tragedy would be done with only a knife. I'd rather have no tragedy at all than a murderous knife wielder, but it will limit the collateral damage on a statistical scale.
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u/Kestrel1000 2h ago
Just a heads up the dealer actually doesn’t get that information. When someone has a background check the fbi is the one with the details, nor should they give health information to the dealer. The fbi are the ones that give a no or no go answer.
I think this really came down to an illegal straw purchase which is hard to detect if the person just straight up lies on the 4473. I don’t think peoples rights should be held up due to personal responsibilities but it is obvious she should burden the blame here. Absolutely awful judgement and had no regard for the safety of others.
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u/Wenuwayker 4h ago
5, 8, and 11.
Babies.