r/news • u/onlymostlydead • 1d ago
Report of active shooter at Silver Rail Elementary
https://www.centraloregondaily.com/news/local/report-of-active-shooter-at-silver-rail-elementary/article_34c17c8c-3929-4288-9218-353a147e96e4.html2.2k
u/Immediate_Glove_2493 1d ago
According to the article police were there within 3 minutes, how the uvalde situation lasted as long as it did was criminal
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u/MistrFish 1d ago
Uvalde police also arrived within 3 minutes. they just didn't do anything once they got there
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u/Noctisvah 1d ago
Of course they did something when they got there.
They blocked and prevented real adults and hero’s that tried to actually do something about the situation
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u/InspectorPipes 1d ago
380+ people responded from 5 agencies. They stood around for 77 minutes, thumbs in ass because “ the shooter was armed with an AR type rifle , and officer safety was most important “. Disgraceful.
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u/MM800 1d ago
The police will literally step over the bodies of murdered children just so they can safely go home at the end of their shift.
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u/ComedicMedicineman 1d ago
It’s crazy too because some of those cops were throwing up afterwards. I don’t like seeing people suffer, but they should absolutely feel semi-responsible for the loss of life there.
Hopefully they learned that if this ever happens again, the consequences for sitting around will be devastating. And next time they don’t sit while kids die
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u/level27jennybro 1d ago
Some of those poor kids had to be identified by DNA because they were not recognizable/in a state that parents should never have to see in order to identify.
I hope those officers are haunted by those images because they chose to be cowards in the moment their courage mattered the most. They chose themselves over the children they supposedly swear to protect. Kids in t-shirts while they're geared up. Fucking disgraceful.
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u/ComedicMedicineman 21h ago
Yeah. It’s especially concerning how it was in Texas too. The state that prides itself on its weapon mastery, and they seemed to have a very well equipped police group who responded (something I haven’t seen in many other school shooting cases, where sometimes it’s just 4 cops with their sidearms).
I’m not saying it wasn’t a very dangerous situation for the officers, but I am saying they were very well equipped for the situation and treated it more like a hostage rescue instead of an active shooter
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u/VirtualVermin 1d ago
they should have all lost their jobs that day. Every single one. As a parent i’d die for my child. Hell, i’d die for YOUR child without a second thought. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask for at least half that kind of bravery from someone trained and paid to “serve and protect.”
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u/Scared_Health_8895 1d ago
Jesus fuck man, as a soon to be cop, the department I’m going to be working for soon literally trained is and told us, the first 10 officers to arrive on scene tell dispatch the entrance they enter and they go in, after that that’s when the rest of the department(s) start coordinating and securing perimeters, stop the killing, stop the dying, if I died to save the kids, I would die a happy man.
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u/Dr_WLIN 1d ago
yeah but the difference is that you're not a pussy bitch
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u/Baltorussian 1d ago
Won't know until that moment comes. Sometimes it's out of your control, your body freezes up. Other times....complete cowards like Uvalde.
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u/Embarrassed-Crazy112 1d ago
Never forget that the SCOTUS made clear that officers have no obligation to protect you. They exist to funnel people into a for profit prison system and to protect the property of the wealthy.
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u/TrayusV 1d ago
One cop tried to get in the classroom, because his wife was the teacher, and she messaged him that she was bleeding out. The other cops stopped him.
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u/RemarkableCard6475 1d ago
I read that as the reports were developing and about lost my ever loving mind. Being a trained officer, told and stopped from saving my spouse... no thanks, get out of my way cowards.
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u/winky9827 1d ago
Nothing that hasn't been said before, but in that situation, the only thing stopping me is my own death.
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u/SarryK 1d ago
as a teacher, wife, and human, I appreciate you.
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u/thebimmerbabe 1d ago
As a mom with kids in school, and a fellow human, I appreciate you! You read news like this, and will, likely, wake up and go to work tomorrow. Business as usual. Straight up hero.
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u/VirtualVermin 23h ago
they were arresting and detaining parents trying to try through. If someone’s mom or dad acted braver than those police, they should have at least stood aside and let them in. I’d die for my child. Because if they didn’t come out of that building alive, i wouldn’t want to either.
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u/AlbatrossNo1562 1d ago
One of them did sanitize his hands with the hand sanitizer
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u/Sans-valeur 1d ago
That’s not true they were stopping parents from going in to save their kids weren’t they?
So they did do something.28
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u/RigaudonAS 1d ago
Uvalde police should have been tried at least for manslaughter of every single dead child in that school.
I'd prefer capital punishment, though.
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u/CarlosMolotov 1d ago
Then two dudes from BORTAC neutralized the situation in about 500 seconds, any pair of those cops standing around should’ve been willing to do the same thing.
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u/that-martian 1d ago edited 1d ago
even though police arrived it doesn’t mean that’s how long the shooting was.
Edit: 3 children killed reported by CNN
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u/ChronosBlitz 1d ago
At the age of 25, I really can't recall a time when this hasn't always been happening.
It's like when people tell me about pre-9/11 life. It seems hard to picture a time without strict airport security.
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u/brokencreedman 1d ago
- I remember Columbine. I think that was the first one that really hit my awareness growing up. I know there were school shootings before Columbine, but man, Columbine was the one that really seemed to cement it in American culture.
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u/XennialBoomBoom 1d ago
Columbine was the first one to hit everyone's awareness, globally. I'm in my late 40s, graduated HS not long before it (and not far from there), and was entirely slack-jawed when I saw the news.
Fast forward to 2002, I was in Bonn, Germany having dinner at a bar and just happened to be sitting next to Bonn's Safety Commissioner. We got into a rather poignant conversation about school shootings. He was killing time with a pint or two before taking a red-eye train to Berlin for an emergency meeting of such safety commissioners from all over the country because the week prior some kid walked into a school with a shotgun and opened fire. I'll never forget him looking me in the eye and saying, "Up until now, we thought that kind of thing could only happen in America."
Again, this was shortly after 9/11, so that combined with the aforementioned discussion made me think about what dark times we were in. Had I only known...
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u/PokerbushPA 1d ago
"We thought that only happened in America"
This is what we're famous for, folks. Take a bow
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u/NerdyTeacher77 1d ago
I had just applied to that district (my mom’s cousin worked at an elementary school there and I think Colorado is a beautiful state). I was actually in the education office at my college concerning another matter when the phone started ringing constantly. (We had a ton of Colorado students at my college). All I can think of is the phone ringing, one after another, with young teachers checking in (it was a small college, and we were really a community in a lot of ways). I started teaching in the Fall of 1999, and I have ALWAYS had to do active shooter drills (hold drills) my entire career. It changed education instantly.
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u/Tattsreincarnated 1d ago
Yup. I live in Canada and not the US, but the wall to wall coverage of Columbine when I was 10 years old had me terrified to go to school for years.
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u/brokencreedman 1d ago
There was only ever one lockdown at my high school where I experienced a quick moment of fear and doubt. We had lockdown practice all the time, but they were normal, but one just had a weird moment that happened before we realized it was a normal thing in that moment.
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u/I-AMA-KarmaWhore-AMA 1d ago
We had many lockdown drills but I do distinctly remember one of the two times it wasn’t a drill. I was walking back to class from the bathroom and encountered my assistant principal who told me to get to class. I made some snide teenage remark assuming it was a joke and can distinctly remember the look in his eyes when he told me, not forcefully, a second time to get to class.
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u/brokencreedman 1d ago
Mine wasn't an actual shooting or attack, but, while locked down in a classroom, the door knob just randomly started turning. We had no idea what was happening, because that was NOT supposed to happen. We all turned and asked the teacher what was happening and even he didn't know. But it turned out to be a cop opening the door to take us all down to the gym so drug sniffing dogs could search all the backpacks. Super quick tense moment, but then turned funny when we came back up later and the cop dog had pissed all over my friend's backpack lol.
No kid should have to live in fear of going to school though :( fucking sucks.
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u/Icky-Tree-Branch 1d ago
It’s absolute insanity to me. I’d just graduated by the time Columbine happened, so the only time we had lockdowns was when the local crazy tiger king type guy had a big cat get out.
I live in Canada now. In a city. For all of my kids’ years in elementary school, the only reasons they were locked down were bears on the playground. Maybe once for a moose.
It disturbed me that while my kids were buying light up Skechers, their American counterparts were often choosing non-light up shoes so they’d be safer in a school shooting. A few moms in the international mommy groups bought the bulletproof backpacks for their kindergarteners after Sandy Hook.
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u/lew_rong 1d ago
A few moms in the international mommy groups bought the bulletproof backpacks for their kindergarteners after Sandy Hook.
The one really makes my blood boil, tbh. We can't have a proper gun control discussion, yet we're normalizing sending little kids to school with body armor just in case and the same people who refuse to have that discussion will finger wag you for politicizing tragedy if you point that out. Meanwhile, those same people, the ones who screech loudest about their rights and the notion of the 2nd Amendment defending all the rest are, apparently, blithely cheering their way into a particularly stupid version of fascism under a guy who has literally told us to get over school shootings. Sweet, y'all.
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u/eldersveld 1d ago
A few moms in the international mommy groups bought the bulletproof backpacks for their kindergarteners after Sandy Hook
I recently watched a Korean video on YouTube where people were examining American school life. They showed the transparent backpacks that some American schools required and the Koreans said they had those too, but only because some kids thought they looked cool. I was like oh. Jesus. You have them because they're neat.. and we have them because gun violence is so out of control that schools feel they have no choice. One of those things that makes you realize just how far America has fallen
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u/deevee12 1d ago
Making the Columbine shooters famous was one of the worst things the media ever did
Everyone in the country knew their name, saw their faces, learned their story. They taught generations of disaffected young men that THIS was the way to get revenge on society. We’ve gotten better at it but the consequences are still being felt decades later.
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u/FatTabby 1d ago
It wasn't just in America where everyone knew their names. I'm in the UK and it was the case here, too. It was such a mistake and I can't help but wonder if people who covered the shooting at the time would do things differently if they could, having seen the cult like status those arseholes have even in death.
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u/neonlexicon 1d ago
Literally everywhere. Dire Trip on YouTube covers a lot of school & mass shootings from around the world. There are kids in rural parts of South America who idolize the Columbine shooters & have tried replicating them. There are entire stan groups that make fanfiction & art about them. And they've ruined being a fan of KMFDM, because now you can't wear the band's shirts without someone associating it with the shooters. As an older fan of the band, it's been annoying. Especially when so many of the band's songs are about anti-fascism.
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u/donitosforeveryone 1d ago
Mass killers have often been idolized by certain groups. Every serial killer has a ‘fan club.’ Very grotesque
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u/Stucklikegluetomyfry 1d ago
Even in the UK it’s often the case that people don’t call the columbine flower columbine anymore. Go into any garden centre that sells them, and they’re usually called aquilegia instead.
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u/Nosfermarki 1d ago
Meanwhile I was endlessly harassed by school staff for wearing too much black clothing, liking rock music, and being the first out lesbian. I was an honors student, star athlete, and set the school record for the highest SAT score at the time, but they constantly treated me like I was going to kill everyone if they didn't randomly search me and go through all of my possessions. I was a good kid but they treated me and my friends like we were in some kind of club with those pieces of shit.
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u/tr1mble 1d ago
I was a senior during Columbine....In a class of only 120, pretty much the only kid that wore Manson T shirts....
They were all waiting for me to be the next one
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u/TDFknFartBalloon 1d ago
Yeah. Weren't many goths in my school, so after Columbine they targeted all the punk rockers. Labeled us as "potential trenchcoat mafia" and regularly pulled us aside for searches. Meanwhile, those were mostly the only time any of us were seen in the principal's office because we were mostly good kids.
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u/hanumanCT 1d ago
48 - I remember this started as workplace violience. First I remember was a lottery headquarters in Connecticut. Then multiple post offices, where the term 'going postal' was born. Then it just got more horrifc from there. I grew up in Connecticut and live in Colorado which I think have had an oddly more amount of mass shootings then a lot of states. Its just f'in awful and we're the only country in the world with this problem. Gee, I wonder what it could be.
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u/WideRisk7495 1d ago
60 dont know if you're old enough to remember this one but "going postal" was the phrase of the day
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u/VineStGuy 1d ago
- Yeah, "mass shootings" wasn't really even a term you heard. It was 'going postal' as workplace violence. School shootings wasn't a thing, Just the weird outlier in 1966 at Uni of Texas. I grew up in a town with so many farms. It was common that kids had pocket knives since the age of 9.
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u/eldersveld 1d ago
I entered college in the fall of 1998. Had to wait for certain friends to finish their last year of high school and join me. Heard about the security measures that quickly went into place in schools across the country after Columbine, and it was a real last-chopper-out-of-Saigon feeling. Didn't know that Columbine would be essentially the harbinger of all the decline and horror that would follow (Star Wars prequels, 9/11, recession, Trump, COVID, etc.)
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u/half3clipse 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's basically columbine.
Mass shootings in the USA are very often white supremacist/neo nazi terrorism. School shootings even more so. That ideology has been a significant motivating factor in almost every case since Columbine.
And Columbine is the turning point because it's A: the first time a bunch of nazi sympathizing fucks shot up a school who then B got a massive amount of both attention and sympathy, to the point the families of their victims had to raise hell about the murderers being included in memorials.
That in turn caused neo nazi fucks to idolize the murderers and be 'inspired'. To the point today a number of more recent school shootings have been linked in part to neo nazi death cults (yes, plural) that specifically seek to groom kids into doing it.
Edit: It's also a lot of why it's more or less a uniquely US problem, which has always had a significant issue with mass violence by white supremacists.
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u/Vylan24 1d ago
Columbine, Elliot Rodgers and the Colorado Batman shooting, to me, are the three inciting events for edgy, hateful, pathetic, weak incels to pick up a gun
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u/whoknowsmaybeabdl 1d ago
I’m with you. But think Samdy hook should also be included.
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u/moyashi_me 1d ago
I feel like Sandy Hook was a pivotal moment in the history of gun violence. 26 dead and 20 of them were first grade, predominantly white, children. If there was going to be any sweeping gun control legislation with popular support, it would have been then. White Americans saw their children’s’ reflections on their tvs and decided their right to easy access to guns was more important. It was also an easy thing for pieces of human shit like Alex Jones to make bank by exploiting. The damage that man has done to the surviving families cannot be overstated. In addition, he contributed greatly to the misinformation war that was just starting online in 2012.
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u/superxpro12 1d ago
We really need to stop whitewashing these incidents and start broadcasting the uncensored footage at this point.
Same thing for Palestine and Iran and pretty much every other war.
Americans are too insulated from the consequences of their votes. They need to see the violence and Carnage that they are causing... How people can look at 20 kids with holes blown through their body by semi-automatic assault rifle and not even suggest that we should strengthen background checks blows my fucking mind
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u/tenaciousdeev 1d ago edited 1d ago
Look at the impact the photos of Emmett Till had on the Civil Rights movement. All Americans need to see the carnage first responders are forced to deal with.
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u/Wasatcher 1d ago
I agree with you. Actually seeing what was going on in the Vietnam War era on television for the first time is what got everyone all fired up and protesting for change.
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u/lividresonance 1d ago
Sandy hook and uvalde are the reason you see the shooting from today and can't help but think to be thankful the death toll was so "low". I had to stop to remind myself that it's an immeasurable tragedy, and it's infuriatingly sad that our society has been so catastrophized into a comatose numbness that children being murdered can be "not as bad" as the countless other times it has happened.
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u/Awkward_platypus_ 1d ago
My 3 year old just told me tonight about how they had to do a lockdown drill today in the middle of lunch at preschool. I held it together in front of her but lost it later on because she was telling me how funny it was when she and her friend were pretending their grilled cheeses were walkie talkies like their teachers were using. I also have a 1 year old there too and it’s so fucking horrifying and disturbing that a child that’s not even old enough to properly pronounce words other than the basics like mama, dada, hi and yes has to run school shooter drills.
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u/muchlesscalvin 1d ago
Very well said. It’s easy to feel desensitized when it’s something we see so often, when this event just shattered entire worlds of multiple families. Heartbreaking that the reality is weeks ago I was bracing for these to start up again once summer ended.
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u/chuck17031 1d ago
I was about 20 minutes from Newtown when the shooting at Sandy Hook happened. I had to drive past the sign for Newtown on the highway every day for work. I remember balling my eyes out several times when I passed the exit with all the little hearts they put on the fence. Still fucks me up just thinking about it.
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u/whoknowsmaybeabdl 1d ago
I’m sorry you had to relive that over and over. I couldn’t imagine driving by 5 days a week.
It was sandy hook, fucking kids, that broke my heart and the 4th of July shooting at a parade that I consistently re remember that fuck me up.
A 1st grade class should be a safe and innocent place for 7year olds to be 7. A parade at 11 o clock on the fourth should be a safe place for a family.
They both make me sick. Of course they all do. Parkland, Vegas, Virginia tech, uvalde etc etc. but those two just make me so extremely sad.
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u/chuck17031 1d ago edited 1d ago
My buddy was the navy vet killed in the Vegas shooting. We hadn’t spoken in a while because I got out and he went on to MWD training after we left the far east. Shit still crushed me when I saw it on the news though. I have a bunch of pictures from the mid-2000’s. We were just kids. It’s fucked up how fast life moves and before you know it, something like Vegas happens and you can’t help but wish you took more time when you could. Sorry, I’m not trying to hijack the thread and make it personal, it just kind of gives you flashbacks. It’s fucking sad.
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u/gaelicgirl1983 1d ago edited 1d ago
A few years before Columbine, Timothy McVeigh blew up a government building in Oklahoma City, and he had some ties to Christian White Nationalism. It killed 168 people. It was the first terrorist attack I remember, I was 12.
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u/MrsSpecs 1d ago
And if we tie Columbine into McVeigh, then it in turn gets linked to the tragedies at Waco and Ruby Ridge.
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u/RustledForeskin 1d ago
That was the first big one and seemed to lower a bar in terms of despicable things people will do. The media sensationalism HAS to have something to do with it, people want to cause harm for whatever reason and want to effect as many people as possible.
They should make it illegal to publish their names and pictures EVERYWHERE. Not just the news but on youtube, here, etc etc etc so they never get their day in the light.
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u/crazykentucky 1d ago
41, definitely. I know they happened before but maybe it was the scope of that incident, and the beginning of a very fast sharing of info
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u/SAugsburger 1d ago
I think Columbine was different in how it was a much bigger scale than most previous school shootings. There were a few mass shootings in college campuses before that (e.g. University of Texas in 1966), but I think that Columbine was the first at a high school that hit double digits in deaths. Before that a school shooting the killed 3-4 would have seemed big.
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u/blackfocal 1d ago
38, Jonesboro was the first that I remember only because it was my state but I vividly remember watching the news cycle of columbine and having bad dreams because of it. It really didn’t get bad till after I graduated high school.
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u/jockfist5000 1d ago
I was a senior in high school when Columbine took place so I mostly went through school without this fear. I also remember going to meet my dad at the airport gate when he came back from business trips.
Now as a parent with kids in elementary school the amount of security they have is insane. What a fucked up society we have.
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u/akjd 1d ago
I went through a phase where I was collecting pocket knives as a kid. At one point I regularly carried about 8, including a big-ass buck knife, no real reason, just a dumb kid that thought they were cool.
Went to pick my dad up at the airport, went through the metal detectors and of course they started going nuts. Had to pull all of them out and the security guy (pre-TSA) just laughed and said I must really love knives, and let me through.
Different times, for sure.
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u/yacoub15 1d ago
Those were good times. I was 16 in the year 2000. Life was better.
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u/Duganz 1d ago
I was in high school in 2000. After Columbine we got security cameras, an armed cop every day, and thrice yearly drug dog searches of lockers. My older friends who had been in school before Columbine called them “the good ol’ days.”
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u/bakagir 1d ago
I’m 39, the first Shooting I ever heard about was columbine which was when I was in 8th grade in 1999 pre 9/11
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u/Middle-Letter-7041 1d ago
at an elementary school is still out of the ordinary for our fucked up version of ordinary.
it's fucked up anywhere but with kids as young as 5 there's a different kind of horror
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u/importantbrian 1d ago
I was in high school when Columbine happened. That was the first one I really remember and it’s been constant since.
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u/Express-Feedback 1d ago
I'm almost 34 and grew up in MO, which probably has some of the most lax gun laws in the country.
My recent coworker is a year younger than me, and graduated from Columbine. He has told me about teachers there who have PTSD, and was horrified by what I told him about how MO operates. He ain't wrong.
This country has an illness, and it cannot be cured.
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u/GlowUpper 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm 42. There were school shootings in the 90's but they were almost always done with handguns and were usually suicides and/or targeting one or two people. They always made national news.
Columbine happened when I was a junior in high school and it felt a bit like what 9/11 would soon feel like. It felt like this was going to cause drastic change.
And then Congress, at the behest of Bush Jr, allowed the assault weapon ban to expire and I knew that Columbine was just going to become the new normal.
I believe this is what is meant by the "banality of evil".
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u/FlaringAfro 1d ago
I'm a little younger and always felt that it was Tech that started the normality of it. Not sure if I was just ignorant to it as a child. I'm a Virginian which might skew my perspective as well.
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u/GlowUpper 1d ago
That was definitely the moment when I was like, "Ok, so Columbine definitely isn't gonna be a one-off." I think I'm one of the few people who just knew Sandy Hook wasn't gonna change shit either. America has decided that future generations' lives are expendable for the benefit of our billionaire overlords.
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u/Isaiah_Bradley 1d ago
In 1999 i crossed from US->Canadian border, went to a strip club and bar, and crossed back with no photo ID.
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u/wyvernx02 1d ago
Prior to Columbine, it wasn't an issue. Then the media turned those two little cocksuckers into celebrities and it kicked off a never-ending stream of copycats who all want their 15 minutes of fame.
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u/OneMoreDuncanIdaho 1d ago
Which is why public executions aren't just immoral, they're impractical too. The last thing we want is to make these people more famous
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u/Ok_Confection_10 1d ago
- I was in high school when sandy hook made the news.
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u/TroublesomeTurnip 1d ago
35 here, I hate how unmoved I am at these events because they're so so common. Nothing has been done since Columbine and I know nothing will ever be done. It sucks.
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u/BazookaTuna 1d ago
Fuck man, I live 5 minutes away from this school, my 2 year old daughter will be going there. Kids in my neighborhood go there, I’m just so sad right now.
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u/murphSTi 1d ago
This is my worst nightmare as a parent and I’m so sorry. I worry it will be my turn next unfortunately. I already know two close friends who have been involved in mass (10+ death) shootings. Unreal.
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u/Rowley_Birkin_Qc 1d ago
I'm in Ireland. I have a 6 month old daughter.
I cannot comprehend the additional worry that US based parents have about school.
Utterly tragic.
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u/BrickMix 1d ago
I can’t imagine the type of person that targets elementary school kids
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u/Signiference 1d ago
White males, conservative, religiously repressed, incels… statistically speaking.
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u/SeeJaayPee 1d ago
Someone who is absolutely ravaged in the head. Its hard to imagine these people exist without some sort of signs prior ?
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u/rwtf2008 1d ago
Oh more often than not they do have signs, they’re just ignored or “fall between the cracks”. Ask the FBI how many terrorists were on their watch list prior to an attack.
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u/restrainedjoy 1d ago
And realistically/legally, there’s only so much that can be done about a person before that person actually does something.
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u/2Gouda4u 1d ago
"Its not a gun problem, its a mental health problem"
"So lets increase resources for mental health"
"No"
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u/kryonik 1d ago
Been saying this for years. They use the same argument with Trans people.
"Being Trans is just a mental illness"
Okay so let's get them affordable mental health care
"No"
They just want to hate what they hate and have the toys that they love and they don't want to actually help anyone.
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u/DisastrousAge4650 1d ago
I grew up in an unstable country and this was never a worry.
It was actually frowned upon by gang members to carry out any illicit activities near school and a lot of them advocated for better education.
I literally felt safer at school than I did at home because while I experienced many break ins, robberies, and shootings nearby, there was never any crime at school.
Matter of fact, when there were later events at the school, sometimes we’d have gang members escorting people out from school if they knew rivals were a bit more active than usual.
I now live in Canada but have a history of mental health and guess what, I am not allowed to own a gun. This was even called into question when members of my household sought out getting their license.
I genuinely don’t understand having any sort of tolerance for this.
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u/ph0on 1d ago
School shooting massacres are a symptom of a national illness. America has been sick for a while
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u/hopesnopesread 1d ago
Yup, you nailed it. The symptoms of this illness include electing a convicted felon and rapist as president, having a congress that doesn't intervene as folks are grabbed off our streets by paramilitary goons and put in detention camps, and a supreme court that cheers it on. I'm sickened and saddened by it but we have to continue to fight back any way we can.
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u/FuzzyFerretFace 1d ago
Fellow Canadian here--I genuinely cannot fathom having to worry about my daughter (or anyone) getting shot at her school.
Do I worry she's going to trip and lodge a stick in her eye? Or that she'll tumble off the playstructure and break her neck? Or that she'll find a way to choke on her goldfish crackers? Yep. Sure do.
And sure, I guess anything is possible, but the idea/fear of an active shooter at her elementary school is so far removed from even my anxiety-riddled arse.
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u/dramatic-pancake 1d ago
I’m a teacher at a college here in Australia and my biggest worry during the school day is getting stuck in one of the dodgy lifts without having gone to the bathroom first. I can’t imagine fronting up to work everyday with the anxiety of a school shooter being a distinct possibility on any given day.
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u/abbadactyl_ 1d ago
Hearing my high school math teacher talk about the simulated school shooting training she had to do was heartbreaking. They do simulated rounds to sound like a gunshot, and barge into rooms so the teachers aren't experiencing the sounds for the first time in a real situation.
I only had a school shooter drill once, but it was just huddling in a corner with the lights off and doors locked. After that they realized the most likely person to shoot the school was a student there. They stopped training students like that so they don't know the hiding spots.
One year, bomb/shooting threats were so common at another local school that the valedictorian made a joke about how much class they missed while the school was being cleared in their graduation speech.
Unrelated but we also had drug dogs regularly come into the school and randomized drug testing for any athletes or band members.
American school is a wild experience.
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u/BeefCakeBilly 1d ago
I mean realistically the current federal law is a lifetime ban on all future gun ownership for anyone found NGRI or ever involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.
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u/Nosfermarki 1d ago
They'd still have to enforce it. Would they? For example my father wasn't legally allowed to purchase a firearm due to previous dv charges, but in Texas private sales are allowed, no background check is needed, you don't even have to ask someone's name. You're only liable if you "knowingly" sell a firearm to someone who is barred from owning one, so it's actually in your best interest to know as little as possible. My father was able to buy a gun no questions asked and attempt to murder/suicide my mom & himself. I'm a gun owner, but it's easier for me to buy a gun than to get prescription medication and that should not be the case.
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u/sarcago 1d ago
I'm sick to my stomach. These are toddlers and small children. My local elementary school has kids as young as 3 in there for the preschool program. America is fucked.
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u/SilentWeb7546 1d ago
I’m utterly heartbroken and in tears for these parents. This is my absolute WORST nightmare as a parent to a 4 year old. Terrified to put them in school and wonder everyday if they’ll be safe. Wtf kind of life is this where I have to wonder if my child will be safe from gun violence at school…
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u/Wizardplum 1d ago
Just watched media briefing, shooter was taken down pretty quickly possibly by a bystander
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u/TerrifierBlood 1d ago
Did they mention casualty amount
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u/Wizardplum 1d ago
I believe 2 victims taken to hospital but their condition was not stated, press conference later today
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u/showhorrorshow 1d ago
Congrats to being the first person in this thread to supply any actual info.
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u/memay131 1d ago
My nephew and niece attend that elementary school.
We were waiting in agony until we heard they were both okay.
And I hate that three very unlucky families aren't tucking their child in tonight.
And I really hate that America can't get it's shit together to vote on common sense gun control.
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u/_WEND1G0_ 1d ago
4 families. There’s a 7 year old in critical condition.
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u/MichPM 1d ago
As a mom, my heart can't take this. The nightmare these families are facing, and those poor babies who were not safe in their own school. My kids are in 8th and 10th grade, my son was an infant when Sandy Hook happened. They've grown up with lockdown drills as a norm. I can't wait until they graduate.
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u/tmrnwi 1d ago
As a parent in America, I’m increasingly struggling with the idea that school is a safe place to send our children.
At what point do we start seriously questioning whether we should continue sending them? As someone who deeply values education and loves learning, I never imagined I would find myself asking that question.
But at what point do we know better? At what point does continuing to send our children into environments where this kind of violence is possible become something we need to reconsider?
I feel like we just keep moving forward, accepting the unacceptable, not necessarily because we believe it’s okay, but because the entire system is built around the expectation that we will. Our lives, our jobs, our communities…everything depends on keeping this machine running.
Are we continuing because we believe our children are safe, or because we simply don’t know how to stop?
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u/YourFriendInSpokane 1d ago
But shootings aren't isolated to schools. Theres a risk when you walk into the grocery store, the movie theater, the mall, even drive by shootings in "safe" neighborhoods.
When I think about pulling my kids out of school, I'm discomforted by the fact that my fears won't go away.
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u/ParticularBanana8369 1d ago
You know things are bad when your job has a part in training about "in case of gunman"
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u/noguarantee1234 1d ago
Glad your niece and nephew are okay. Awful news to hear we lost children man..
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u/justcurious3287 1d ago
I have an idea. How about if we make it as hard to get a gun in America…as it is to find a job that pays a living wage? Just a thought.
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u/RealCoolDad 1d ago
More than half of American voters care more about issues that do not exist, things that are “can you imagine how bad it would be if men played women’s sports” or “what if people switch their genders and attacked people in bathrooms” or “what if a poor person uses their government support to buy junk food” “what if an illegal imgrant steals my job”
Instead of real issues, things that are happening every day in this country.
This is on their hands, and I hope they never forget it, or gain the ability to realize one day that it is their fault.
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u/donttextspeaktome 1d ago
I cannot imagine the trauma you went through. I hate how no one listens to the statistics and blame mental health each time, yet take away mental health help. Sickened
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u/BeyondTheBees 1d ago
When the powers that be didn’t do anything after Sandy Hook, I knew they never fucking would.
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u/Flashy-Head-2298 1d ago
This. I said the same thing. If we couldn't get common sense gun laws passed after little kids were shot at school, I have a pessimistic view on ever getting any laws passed. It's disgusting and infuriating
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u/mrpersson 1d ago
You might even say they doubled down on doing nothing. I think even after Columbine some NRA guy suggested they do something (I forget what) but now they've just gone complete moron suggesting kids be armed and crazy shit like that.
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u/BeyondTheBees 1d ago
I was 13 when Columbine happened. And we just all watched it unfold live on TV. I can still see Rachel Scott lying dead in the grass, and a blood covered Patrick Ireland they pulled out of the library window. And life was never the same after that.
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u/that-martian 1d ago edited 1d ago
according to kdrv.com
“the shooter is dead and there are multiple victims including students though no deaths are confirmed yet”
Edit: 3 children were killed according to CNN
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u/sainthyacinthordrowa 1d ago
My mom is a teacher at this school. Thank God she's ok.
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u/Technical_Piano_8832 1d ago
Redmond Mom checking in here. My niece and nephew are students there, who are also ok. :::Hugs:::
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u/inagartenofeden 1d ago
The country did nothing after Sandy Hook, so nothing will ever be done
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u/linds360 1d ago
That was the moment I knew we were fucked.
If 20 dead first graders - kids who have Bluey sheets and agonize over which Paw Patrol character to be for Halloween - didn’t crack the hearts of those clutching their assault weapons with white knuckles, absolutely nothing will.
Anti-abortion hypocrites who deserve to feel every bit of pain those kids and parents go through, but I’m not sure they can feel anything. So they hug their guns because unlike anyone worth loving in their miserable lives, guns won’t leave them when they realize what worthless sacks of meat they are.
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u/awesomeqasim 1d ago
Just remember, the citizens of Uvalde voted to keep the exact same conservatives who were against gun control in power literally months after their kids were slaughtered.
Our country is fucked.
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u/Stucklikegluetomyfry 1d ago
Likewise. If all those dead 6 and 7 year olds failed to move the pro-gun brigade absolutely nothing would.
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u/SurvivorFanatic236 1d ago
Sandy Hook was the best thing that ever happened to the Republican Party.
A ton of “moderates” were more outraged by attempts to regulate guns than they were about the shooting, and Republicans permanently secured their votes.
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u/EazyE693 1d ago
We did nothing after Columbine but stigmatize goths and metal heads and claim it’s because there wasn’t prayer in school.
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u/sbm7bm 1d ago
I thought that's it after Sandy Hook. We would make changes that long overdue. Nothing.
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u/DarkthorneLegacy 1d ago
I get that the only info they have is active shooting happening, so they add a meeting place for parents and students and warning to stay away from the area. But that's a ton of ads for barely any information
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u/onlymostlydead 1d ago
And that was the only site that had more than "This is a developing story" when I was looking. Figured it was better to use the one that had some info.
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u/LadyMothrakk 1d ago edited 1d ago
Reminder that many Republicans (including Charlie Kirk) firmly believe stuff like this just happens, almost like a sacrifice to keep loose gun laws. Fucking sickening. They “care” about the unborn with ruthless laws that punish a mother for simply seeking medical care to save her own life, but once the child is born they watch in silence as the kids are blown apart in school. Absolutely unreal.
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u/barbieq68 1d ago
I don't think Charlie Kirk actively believes anything at the moment
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u/Fuck_your_coupons 1d ago
like a sacrifice to keep loose gun laws
That's exactly why I didn't and don't give a fuck about Kirk. If you tell everyone how indifferent you are to victims of gun violence and you get got, it's just karma.
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u/njf85 1d ago
Likewise. I don't get why so many people were offended that others didn't feel bad for Kirk. He said gun deaths were a sacrifice he felt was worth paying. I feel bad for the people who had to witness his death. I can't imagine how traumatic that must have been
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u/LadyMothrakk 1d ago
He indeed got got. Unrelated, but I was wondering how you feel about coupons
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u/Fuck_your_coupons 1d ago
My account name came from when I worked in a pharmacy where they would give out coupons to people for transferring prescriptions to their pharmacy. Everyone at the pharmacy hated it and people would try to abuse the system, not get their coupons because they didn't qualify and then yell at the pharmacist and tech for 15 minutes because if they yelled loud enough, Rite Aid would always give them what they wanted. That trained people to realize that their worst behavior would be rewarded .
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u/southendgirl 1d ago
I only had fire and tornado drills when I went to school.
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u/eric_ts 1d ago
We just had duck and cover drills when I was a kid. They stopped those in about 1970 in WA state as far as I remember.
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u/CelluloidRacer2 1d ago
"Central Oregon will see plenty of sunshine for the day ahead."
...note to the web development team, maybe don't include the weather on article embeddings.
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u/nezumipi 1d ago
'No way to prevent this' says only nation where this regularly happens
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u/Shinjetsu01 1d ago edited 1d ago
We were told this was the price for the ability to overthrow a tyrannical government that impeached on our "freedoms". Turns out that was bullshit too.
"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" is becoming the mantra for America.
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u/Joint-Tester 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's the thing that kills our children and teens the most. More than disease and car accidents, but all these dipshit motherfuckers who are afraid of all the "what-ifs" will never relinquish their rights to have the craziest weapons on the planet.
The U.S. is the wild west and a river of children's blood isn't enough to wake people up. Sandy Hook and Uvalde should have been enough. But these jackasses need their toys so we are just resigned to mass child death. I cannot believe how fucking stupid we are.
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u/Sweet_Search_3616 1d ago
Shooter was a teenager and was killed by a good samaritan according to CBS news
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u/kelsobjammin 1d ago
My friends kids are just being released to her now. So sad. Rip to the victims ᴖ̈
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u/LyssaPearl 1d ago
I hate this. I fucking hate that this is normal. I work at a k-8 academy and I hate that we have to do active shooter drills. I hate that I have to worry about my youngest kid’s diabetes tech beeping and giving away their location. I hate it all so much and what I hate the most is that the people with the power to stop this insanity don’t give a single goddamn shit. I’m so tired of seeing news like this, and my heart hurts so much for the families who have endured losses because of it.
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u/Absalom98 1d ago
If Sandy Hook wasn't the last straw, then nothing will be. Most of America cares more about guns than women or children.
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u/clitzie 1d ago
It sounds like an onlooker was armed and took out the shooter before police arrived. Thank goodness someone was able to protect those kids. I always worry that the police will pull a Uvalde and not go in immediately. Who knows how many other victims there would have been if that civilian didn’t risk his life.
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u/d_mansyy 1d ago
"Seconds later, officers reported the suspect had been shot and killed, possibly by a bystander."
Who is this goat?
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u/Randomonius 1d ago
Supposedly a father shot the shooter. If so way to go dad. So sad for the victims.
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u/gotthesauce22 1d ago
A 16 year old shooter killing a bunch of kids, terrible. Whoever gave him access to a firearm should be held criminally responsible
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u/gunsforevery1 1d ago edited 1d ago
Latest news is it was a 16 year old. Hold his parents responsible.
A bystander with CCW engaged the suspect.
Edit. Police just confirmed it was an armed bystander who saw the shooter enter the school and took the suspect out.
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u/triplefoul 1d ago
Those poor people ... We are sick in the soul. I hate it here.
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u/DreamyBunny4988 1d ago edited 1d ago
I live in Bend my 8 year old goes to elementary school here. His close friends from our neighborhood go to silver rail. We haven’t heard anything yet. The air is heavy, it’s a really shattering day. 3 children gone. One adult who tried to save them. Today was so scary but I get to tuck my babies in tonight, so there’s no room for me to feel sad, because I don’t understand what these parents or families are going through. I just want the families to have some type of comfort. There’s nothing I can give. There’s nothing I can do.
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u/Rare-Bee7331 1d ago
conservatives to be more concerned if the shooter is trans or not, than they are to care about the safety of children
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u/sanslumiere 1d ago
That's quite literally what they're already asking in social media comments.
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u/Capital_Store8128 1d ago
Those poor students and faculty. How many times does this have to happen before we pass proper gun reform?
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u/alphabeticdisorder 1d ago
If 25 dead kindergarteners didn't do it, nothing will.
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u/Nice-Track4271 1d ago
Instead we got claims of "crisis actors" and making parents prove that their child existed. It's sickening. And they wonder why kids are more stressed. My son's high school would tell them there was nothing going on even when the parking lot had multiple armed police looking around the grounds. It ruined any trust he had in the school.
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u/blazelet 1d ago
A lot of Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that this, the way we live, is the only way.
The rest of the world has actually already figured this out. We have lots of data that shows guns and easy access to them are the problem. But, here we are again.
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u/MXC_ImpactReplay 1d ago edited 1d ago
No, it’s clearly a mental health issue and has nothing to do with the incredibly easy access to hundreds of millions of privately owned firearms in this country -- including high capacity, high powered semi-automatic rifles.
Okay, want to address mental health access?
Lmfao no.
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u/TtK_Thanatos 1d ago
When I doubled down on the "ok, so let's reform mental health then" part of the discussion with a MAGA relative they tried to shut down the conversation by then claiming that attempting to reform mental health in America would be too expensive to the taxpayers. I laughed and pointed out that they clearly value money over human life and mocked their fake "pro-life" stance. They blocked me lmao.
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u/JRockPSU 1d ago
"How about instead of funding a war that's making your gas more expensive, we take a sliver of that cash and fund mental health support to stop American kids from getting murdered?"
"...I'm not sure about that let me wait to find out what Fox News thinks about it"
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u/its_a_throwawayduh 1d ago
The Sandy Hook incident told me that Americans love guns more than kids. Then came Uvalde......
After that I hate to say it but I became numb.
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u/Orion14159 1d ago
Literally if it happening to Congress directly didn't, nothing will. Don't forget the guy who shot up a congressional baseball practice, not even a single vote was changed.
The only way we ever fix this problem is with a constitutional amendment replacing the 2nd and there are so many gun humper red states it's never going to happen.
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u/kunderthunt 1d ago
Congresspeople who were texting goodbyes to their families on Jan 6th proceeded to deep throat the guy who said he would pardon all of them, then did. Even their own realized fears couldn’t pull them out.
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