r/news • • 1d ago

Exclusive: Ukraine runs out of Patriot interceptor missiles as Zelensky and Trump clash over war

https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/15/europe/ukraine-us-patriot-interceptor-missiles-run-out-intl?cid=ios_app
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u/WolfDoc 1d ago

Not just stupidity I'm afraid. Remember all those riots in Albania over Jared and Ivanka’s proposed luxury resort on public lands? Well...

The “energy ceasefire” Kushner has been negotiating on behalf of the Trump administration (reminder: Kushner is not employed by the U.S. government) includes a multibillion-dollar deal to purchase the international assets of Russian energy giant Lukoil through a consortium of buyers. The consortium includes the billionaire Qatari brothers Ramez and Moutaz Al-Khayyat.

The Al-Khayyat brothers are Kushner’s primary financial co-investors and development partners in Jared and Ivanka’s controversial, multibillion-dollar luxury Mediterranean coast resort project in Zvërnec, Albania, which people have been protesting there for months.

What Kushner and the Al-Khayyat brothers are going to do is buy Lukoil so the company can be excused from Russian global sanctions. They’ll then funnel all the Lukoil revenue back to Russia while pocketing a considerable under-the-table “service fee” for themselves.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: we are not outraged enough by Jared Kushner. This is wholesale corruption in service to a compromised president, blatantly operating in service to a foreign adversary.u

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u/Slypenslyde 1d ago

we are not outraged enough

I'm starting to think Americans aren't capable of actual outrage anymore. Just a lot of typing on the internet before running out to a bar.

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u/MrKite6 1d ago

A bar? In this economy?

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u/Brave_Maybe_2891 1d ago

A very small percent of Americans frequent bars. We are all usually inside our homes in our free time and hooked on social media. There's not even a bar within 10 miles of my home and im in a medium to large sized city.

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u/Slypenslyde 1d ago

Yeah it's probably hyperlocal. In my city there are a lot of bars and breweries, and our main crisis during the COVID years was how a perfectly normal and well-adjusted person gets suicidal if they haven't watched a football game at a bar in the last 72 hours.

Point stands though: a ton of the people who posted in this thread are already thinking about Dollaritas and how someone else is going to fix the US for them. The general consensus is, "I can't risk my job and status for political activism" even if they think they're job is going to be destroyed by the current admin.

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u/nationwideonyours 1d ago

Still, the point is Americans do nothing but complain on social media so nothing changes.

Look at the French - they don't take any shit from the government. Protesters might not always get what they want exactly, but changes are made.

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u/NiteOwl421 1d ago

This is a friend of mine. I absolutely love them to death. But they'll go HAM on Instagram. Then post in our group chat being hungover the next morning.

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u/GrandOlOctillery 15h ago

I’ve got a hot take: the main issue with Americans is that nobody has the time to be outraged. Social media is the avenue for frustration because the ability to protest in person just doesn’t exist. The middle and lower classes can’t afford to miss a day of work or compromise valuable PTO/sick days off that can be saved for other things in life. Furthermore, the potential backlash of being seen at a protest by family, friends, communities, employers, etc. I think paralyzes a lot of citizens that care deeply but just don’t want to be penalized.

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u/Slypenslyde 15h ago

I just can't decide if I believe it was any different during the American Revolution, The Civil War, or the Civil Rights Movement. I do believe they were driven by disenfranchised people, but I can't bring myself to think unemployment was that high. People were making a conscious choice to tell their jobs to fuck off because they felt like if they didn't the future would be even worse. They must've built community and looked out for each other somehow.

My hot take is people feel like ranting online counts as activism. It's easy and checks the "I did something" box so they can go about their business. Worse, in recent memory, they saw BLM fizzle. The powers that be are not afraid of citizens because even in the face of a worldwide protest, there is endless social media discourse about how aggravating, disruptive, and childish it is. You can find whole threads about how they use the wrong slogans, or it's on the wrong day, or the goals aren't clear enough.

Again, I'm pretty sure if I sat down in 1965 and talked to my grandparents I'd hear them rambling about the same things. Same in the 1860s and same in the 1770s. There was fierce opposition to these events and that's why it boiled up to a war: neither side compromised.

Today, the protesters eventually go home because the opposition is much more obstinate. I guarantee you it's not going to fix itself.

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u/barbybar 1d ago

This is a very interesting view of how the Trump admin and Kushners will profit off this turmoil. There should be more investigative reporting done. Just make sure you’re not in the US doing it.

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u/ALth0r 20h ago

That’s all americans can do now. Beeing outraged behind their computer screen. And you wonder how we've come to this...

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u/invyros 1d ago

Ahead of the US midterm elections, Trump has increasingly blamed the rise in global diesel prices on the Ukraine-Russia war, despite the Iran war playing a more significant role in the fuel price spikes.

Trump is an enemy to the Western world.

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u/yhwhx 1d ago

Trump is an enemy to the Western world.

...and an ally of Putin's Russia.

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u/Tokey_Tokey 1d ago

It's just stupidity.

There has been more news about Ukraine hitting Russian fuels than whatever the fuck is going on with Hormuz. 

Just the other day it was being downplayed. "Traffic in Hormuz is near pre war levels" then a few hours later you have a story about Iran sinking ships.

But Ukraine hammering Russia is a constant news cycle headline.

He's essentially throwing allies under the bus but not for Putin. He is trying to save the midterms(horrendously) because he knows his base eats that shit.

It's all just one giant pile of shit. 

Go out and vote for the love of god.

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u/Fallouttgrrl 1d ago

Trump wants to win the midterms

He needs there to be reasons things aren't his fault

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u/MudLOA 1d ago

We could have all avoided this shit if people actually got up and voted 2 years ago.

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u/techgrey 1d ago

They did but Elon’s algorithm got Trump re-elected

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u/jargo3 21h ago edited 21h ago

Just to point out. Even if the total oilflow in Hormuz would resume close to prewar levels, which it has done at least once, the issue is that flow or refined fuels(including diesel) is still down 80%.

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u/Gurtang 23h ago

It's just stupidity.

No, that's a convenient and dismissive excuse. Of course Trump is getting more senile every day, of course many republican supporters are stupid/disinformed/victims of the propaganda machine. But this machine is led by people who know what they are doing and are actively evil, greedy and selfish rather than simply stupid.

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u/aka_airsoft 1d ago

And Putin is an ally of Iran it goes full circle. I hate this timeline

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u/TmanGvl 1d ago

Talk about chasing your own tail. We can’t wait until this regime dies.

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u/dojo_shlom0 1d ago

Ally of Russia; Betrayer of his Oath & The People.

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u/NanADsutton 1d ago

Wasn’t this a day 1 campaign promise? Dude must suck at making deals along with everything else or something

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u/Far_Eye6555 1d ago

He’s blaming Ukraine while American oil and gas producers are making record profits. Americans…

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u/OhshitImloggedin 1d ago

Western world Humanity

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u/johnis12 1d ago

Mhm... This orange schmuck hasn't just fucked over the US, he's literally causing so much bullshit the world over. Didn't think he'd be worse than Nixon and Thatcher but goddamn, he's pulling it off hard.

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u/Magnific3nt 1d ago

Trump is an asset for Putin and Putin have so much dirt, photos and videos of that pedo.

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u/RaelImperial31 1d ago

Trump’s an asset alright, but not in that way. The guy is so easy to use, just pay him lip service and he’ll eat out of the palm of your hand, look at Zohran Mamdani

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u/SPzero65 1d ago

My hope is the Republicans get steamrolled in the midterms, Trump becomes useless to Putin as a lame duck, and it all comes out.

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u/johnis12 1d ago

Hoping for that as well, also hoping what little Repub support he has just starts ignoring him... Though I do think he's gonna try and pull some bullshit, whether of his own accord or Putin's to try and stay in complete power.

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u/ledorky 1d ago

Israel too thanks to Epstein.

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u/TheCrazedTank 1d ago

Both can be true… the latter explains why there is so much material for the first.

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u/HugeHans 1d ago

I mean sure, it feels that way. However blaming the victim for "causing problems" is so on brand for him that he does that for free.

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u/DMala 1d ago

What could he possibly fucking have that we don’t already know about the piece of shit?

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u/DiscoQuebrado 1d ago

Yeah, I don't think so. Trump's target demographic finds him beyond kompromat, evident by gestures broadly

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u/RedTulkas 1d ago

Trump is an enemy to everyone not trump

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u/EnochofPottsfield 1d ago

Outside of the obvious buffoonery, Trump said he'd end the Ukraine war within 24 hours of taking office. Like how is switching from Iran to Ukraine better for this jackass

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u/nigel_pow 1d ago

Le Pen and AfD also say they will cut support to Ukraine if they get the chance. And they are doing well in the polls.

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u/PurpleCoat6656 1d ago

This was inevitable. Putin knows orange shitler is about to be a much worse asset for him. They were always going to speed run the next 2 years.

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u/TheoKondak 1d ago

He explicitly blamed Ukraine not ruzzia.

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u/mudbuttcoffee 1d ago

Just world....

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u/fuzzycuffs 1d ago

This deal made with Russia for diesel only supplies 1 days worth of global diesel demand.

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u/cadre_78 51m ago

The world.

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u/EdwardoftheEast 1d ago

Fuckin’ Krasnov, man…

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u/saljskanetilldanmark 19h ago

Lol, there is a real chance the republicans keep both chambers. Americans are the problem and the rest of the world needs to cut them off asap.

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u/NorthernFrosty 1d ago

Trump: Starts War in Iran

Trump: "Why is Ukraine attacking Russian energy and raising fuel prices?"
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Trump: "I've negotiated an energy ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine hasn't seen it yet and Russia has already violated it, but I'm sure it'll work."

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u/Grantuna 1d ago

"Zelensky and Trump clash" = Trump wants Ukraine to surrender to the Russian invaders and it turns out they would rather stay alive and free, thank you. Exclusive: This Headline Is Shameful

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u/DrDragun 1d ago edited 1d ago

Trump tied Zelensky's hand behind his back the same night Russia launched an attack on power plants.

Trump is preparing to blame Ukraine and Democrats after they win the midterms for gas prices, when he has been running down the national reserves for the last 8 months and he's the one who caused the Iran War in the first place.

But of course MAGA mythology and disinformation will have Ukraine attacking first, Democrats blamed for gas prices and the continuation of a society of no personal accountability because "alternative facts" are always excusing themselves from legitimate blame for things.

Even now the paid bots swarm social media spreading the disease of misinformation.

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u/Brave_Maybe_2891 1d ago

Its going to be worse than what most people are expecting. In late Nov the strategic reserve will be completely empty which will cause prices to go up again. Then on top of that the strategic reserve has not been selling oil for cash like they usually do, they have been lending it out at a 20% interest rate. So for every 5 barrels released refiners have to return 6 barrels back to the strategic reserve starting sonetime in 2027.

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u/thisvideoiswrong 1d ago

I'll believe Trump cares at all about gas prices when I see him in Iranian handcuffs. That is the most obvious step one could take under these circumstances, is to hand over the criminal for prosecution. But he certainly won't.

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u/Saneless 1d ago

Headline SHOULD be "Zelenskyy rejects Trump's parroting of Russian talking points and demands"

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u/Guy_GuyGuy 1d ago

"Ukraine runs out of Patriot interceptor missiles after Trump betrayal"

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u/BigDrewbot 1d ago

"Trump betrays Ukraine and invites Russia to bomb the hell out of it"

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u/Lotus_Domino_Guy 1d ago

Well, the Iran war is probably responsible for a lot of the patriot interceptor shortages....not JUST Trump's duplicity.

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u/fevered_visions 15h ago

"Zelensky and Trump clash"

they can't even put Trump's fucking name first, when you know he made some ridiculous proposal and Zelensky just told him to go away. implying Zelensky started the argument

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u/Fantastic-Purple2306 1d ago

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be it's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger

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u/jxj24 1d ago

And that's coming from a guy who knew how to be a shitty, shitty friend.

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u/vs-1680 1d ago

...after Trump publicly takes the side of an enemy of democracy and our country specifically....

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u/H0vis 1d ago

The side of the country that put him in power.

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u/TreeNo6966 1d ago

Never heard of America switching side's mid war. Dont surprise me 1 bit tho from the Epstien party/class.

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u/blanchov 1d ago

He was always on Putins side

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u/Lotus_Domino_Guy 1d ago

OMG, are we Italy now?

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u/Really_Obscure 1d ago

I'm not convinced these latest actions taken by President Trump - with the GOP's blessing - will be viewed positively by an undecided midterm voter. Swapping a couple tankers of Russian diesel for Ukraine's suffering doesn't feel right.

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u/metaglot 1d ago

Just a note from someone completely outside the US, i have been genuinely surprised by american voter stupidity and apparent self-sabotage many times.

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u/bobbyrob1 1d ago

They fucked our schools for decades, and you are seeing the result.

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u/Imlardirion 1d ago

and your country is feeling the direct consequences of lead poisoning over the decades. Veritassium has a really good video about it

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u/onlyforsellingthisPC 1d ago

Hey now, leaded gasoline built this country.

What was that? I'll fight you right here in this supermarket parking I didn't even care

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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 1d ago

Most Americans arent plugged into politics or whats happening around the world.

Id be surprised if their even aware of local elections or who their rep is.

Most undecided voters are very apathetic and dont really care about politics unless it affects them. Very myopic views and they can get most of their information from 30 second sound bits or fox news recaps.

Outrage is alot more effective in getting people to the polls, the threat of loss or harm to yourself is great. The GOP is a win at any cost and Russia/China and America adversaries have been using that to their advantage.

The current GOP has adopted an extremist view to cater to the evangelical Christians, the white supremacists, blue collar voter and rural farmer. All hyper partisan by main stream media.

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u/Maro1947 1d ago

I genuinely never understand the amount of apathy it takes to invoke that narrow-mindedness

"Hey, I'm way to busy with my life to to be interested in something that touches every segment of my life"

Then proceeds to bitch about politics....

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u/JetKeel 1d ago

14 hours of diesel. 14 hours.

Trading 14 hours of diesel for eased sanctions and tightening Ukraine aide is an insanely good deal for Russia.

I’m not saying Trump is a Russian agent. But I am saying that everything he does is what a Russian agent would do.

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u/jazzhandler 1d ago

It is downright un-American.

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u/Professional_Vast234 1d ago

Not any more it would seem

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u/dub-fresh 1d ago

But very on brand for trump. He’d happily throw Ukraine and their people under the bus for a percentage point in the poll. 

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u/TheAverageWonder 1d ago

No infact it is very American

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u/Fritzo2162 1d ago

We're the bad guys now. Get on board.

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u/kayl_breinhar 1d ago

They're determined to no longer need the voters, and they're banking that there won't be any pushback if/when they finally decide to just take it all. The Republicans (at least those in districts/states which are questionably "in play") are acting like they've been told to not worry about the midterms at all.

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u/fevered_visions 14h ago

how can anyone still be undecided about Trump?!?!

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u/datterdude 1d ago

If it is not already obvious, Trump does not side with Ukraine. He wants Russia to win because <insert your reason here>, but it should be plain to see that either he wants to be like Putin, or Putin has something on him, or he wants something from Russia. Trump conducts himself EXACTLY the way a <bad> Russian plant or compromised politician would.

I repeat:
Ukraine must win as China is awaiting to see this outcome to plan it's own interests in taking other lands across the seas. How the US respond and the United Nations will inform them of how they should move. Anyone who does not understand this has no business speaking one way or another about the conflict. It is the core concept of why Ukraine must succeed.

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u/Qprime0 22h ago

Well, I mean, there's that. And also, it's like... the right thing to do? Ethically, morally, etc.? Or do we just... flatly not bother to consider these things anymore?

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 20h ago

A nation that chooses as a president a convicted felon, with two impeachments, a coup attempt, and a pedo scandal behind him, does not care about morality.

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u/Qprime0 16h ago

Kinda the point I'm trying to make. shouldn't we?

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u/laplongejr 15h ago

You already said you would in the Budapest Memorandum anyway.
But let's be realistic : the US didn't join the ICC and it turns out we weren't allies, but simply part of an US empire. That and a big part of the US believe they are "more equal" than the others.

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u/Qprime0 14h ago

And, lets be real, isn't that kinda fucked up? Like, even the "king" shouldn't be above the law, no? And, like, there should be real action to hold such entities accountable? Wouldn't that be the right thing to do so this shit doesn't happen all over again with someone even worse?

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u/SlapThatAce 1d ago

Is US officially a terrorist state? 

They attacked Venezuela and kidnapped their President (he was a massive POS), then attacked Iran, launched a trade war against various countries, are supporting Russia, are working to dismantle NATO, amd threatened to invade Canada, Mexico, and Iceland

As for Ukraine, they're right now fighting against US, Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran. And let's not even talk about the thousands of people that were recruited from the African continent, and they're holding their own. 

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u/UMACTUALLYITS23 1d ago

Is US officially a terrorist state? 

What gave it away? Was it all the terroristy crap they've done over the past 100 years? Including illegally selling weapons to violent terrorists?

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u/Echelion77 1d ago

Alot of americans believe themselves to be the leaders of the free world despite not lifting a finger to protect it.

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u/ddz1507 1d ago

Remember Madeleine Albright with her "worth it" comment to half a million child deaths in Iraq?

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u/betheusernameyouwant 1d ago

Greenland, not Iceland. Björk is not in danger as far as I know (thankfully).

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u/Lord_Tanus_88 9h ago

You have just realised this …. Iraq, Lybia and numerous over interventions.

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u/Nerezza_Floof_Seeker 1d ago

Including china among the countries ukraine is fighting against is quite inaccurate, as china hasnt directly contributed militarily to russias invasion like the other countries you listed. Like sure, theyre selling dual use material to russia, but thats it and theyre quite happy to continue trading with ukraine as well.

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u/Tommyblockhead20 18h ago

By definition, not really. They aren’t doing it to strike terror into the citizens of where they go after, they are doing it to extract more money from the local government/companies. So if anything, it fits more into the organized crime bucket.

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u/Stunning-Armadillo-3 18h ago

If attacking Venezuela is the criteria then you could go all the way back when they attacked Vietnam or Iraq

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u/erkdog 1d ago

Rogue state now. Not terrorists yet.

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u/Nisseliten 1d ago edited 1d ago

Bombing schoolchildren and kidnapping foreign heads of state is pretty terrorist-y..

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u/Alarmed-Silver-2287 16h ago

And this is just the past couple years.. If you look at what they've done in Iraq, abu ghraib prison, and the death of million+ citizens in iraq.. or the aid to the genocide in gaza, i mean the list is endless

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u/BeanserSoyze 1d ago

You mean like just now?

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u/aspookyshark 1d ago

Always has been

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u/Kind-Philosopher5077 1d ago

Trumps a threat to any democratic nation looking to defend its freedom, he's beholden to his own vice and greed.

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u/yhwhx 1d ago

Fuck Trump, Fuck Musk, and fuck Putin.

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u/TheRexRider 1d ago

The day Trump dies should be a global holiday.

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u/pthomas745 1d ago

"Clash over war?"

This is no "clash". This is Trump and Putin and Xi deciding to form an evil empire.

Trump is selling out Ukraine and NATO for the payoff. Putin is paying Trump to help him swallow Ukraine. You think the Palestinian issue is bad? Wait until Putin rapes Kiev.

&&%& CNN, really.

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u/txkwatch 1d ago

Raping and swallowing are two of Trump's favorite things

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u/afoxboy 1d ago

wait why did u throw xi in there lmao, catching strays

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u/BeanserSoyze 1d ago

Just making shit up I guess. I will eat my own penis off if Trump is the president to build a strong alliance with China.

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u/pthomas745 1d ago

Trump met with Putin in May, and with Xi only three weeks ago. Nothing of substance was released about either meeting. These meetings were of the heads of the major world crime families.

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u/afoxboy 1d ago

so? trump has had clandestine meetings/talks w plenty of ppl. xi consistently only cares about china, the idea that he would want to form an empire, and w america and russia at that, is so farfetched

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u/pthomas745 1d ago

The quid pro quo would be "I'll stop helping all these proxy wars if the US does not interfere with my invasion of Taiwan." That is Xi's interest. Pay off Trump to prevent the US from intervening with destroying Taiwan.

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u/keonyn 1d ago

In other words, Trump is now, once again, going to get more people killed.

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u/PurpleSailor 22h ago

Suspicious timing for sure.

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u/I_Cummand_U 1d ago

I pray every morning that I'll open my phone and the Orange Diaper Baby will be gone.

God Bless Ukraine.

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u/AloneChapter 1d ago

There is no clash, trump wants “ privately “ money for himself or Ukraine get nothing.

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u/___evan 1d ago

So the goal is to blame Ukraine for oil prices, end the war right at the last second to promise that prices will go down. Then when they don’t we can all say republicans fell for it yet again

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u/Sad-Breakfast-5671 1d ago

trump is trying to rebuild the soviet communist new world orser for his actual communist friends putin and kim.

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u/Tokey_Tokey 1d ago

To be fair... Everyone is out or low on PMs.

Still wasted a bunch in the middle east.

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u/VegetableYesterday63 1d ago

Trump is a Russian supporter and everyone knows it

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u/Apprehensive_Low_383 1d ago

Posting for emphasis here. Let's be perfectly clear here, Trump is wholly owned by the Russians. They bailed out his casinos and secured new loans for him. They most likely have kompromat on him. He does their bidding without fail. Never forget the Helsinki press conference, when Trump sided with Russian intelligence over his own CIA! Remember how Putin sat there, gloating? Perhaps the most humiliating moment of any President. Traitorous scum!

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u/chladas 1d ago

Just remember, americans voted for this

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u/yhwhx 1d ago

This particular American voted against "this" every change they got.

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u/Lotus_Domino_Guy 1d ago

3 times, once sucessfully!

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u/FunkyBeans0079 1d ago

They don't care.

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u/One-Emu-1103 1d ago

Trump is a Russian asset . Period. So is Musk. Trump is also the reason why Ukraine lost access to Starlink. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk on Wednesday said decisions to restrict the speed or usage of Starlink’s Starshield are made by the U.S. military and, ultimately, the president, as confusion swirls over Ukraine’s loss of military access to the systems.

“Any limits on speed or usage are decided by the US military and ultimately POTUS,” Musk wrote in a comment on the social platform X, which Musk owns.

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u/pragmatic84 1d ago

So basically, Trump backs Ukraine to show the world he's a legendary peacekeeper, invades Iran and Venezuela to get control of their oil, then cuts funding to Ukraine so Russia can finally take it over after milking Ukraine for all they're worth in arms deals, and then he can strike a sweet trade deal with Putin on Russian gas that he was always hoping for.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear the US is going after Canada next year.

Fuck this timeline

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u/SomeIdea_UK 1d ago

He’s a puppet, plain and simple. A cretinous, self serving and easily manipulated puppet.

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u/Sinreborn 1d ago

It's not surprising that Trump turned his back on Ukraine. It's surprising that it took him this long to do it.

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u/armati2004 1d ago

It is not a clash between President Zelensky and the orange putler lover. It's a clash between the free world and fascism. Zelensky never made it about himself he would resign in the blink of an eye when it would benefit Ukraine. The fascists are making it personal and this newsoutlet helps them greatly because the header attracts more clicks.

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u/Eltharion-the-Grim 19h ago

They were out of patriots long ago. The US can’t produce enough of them fast enough and still have inventory to protect the middle east assets.

Orange man is still prosecuting Iran war and missiles are needed there as well as to protect Israel.

USA can really only realistically produce about 600 patriot missiles PER YEAR. Israel and the prolonged Russia/Ukraine war have drained reserve inventories. Middle east is likely also near empty, if not already completely empty.

They have already pulled inventory from Asia to help with middle east. This leaves Asia entirely to China. It’s a no contest now in Asia.

This is the problem with having/supporting so many battle theatres.

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u/TheWastelandWizard 13h ago

Just in time for the Russian push once the ground is frozen enough. Traitors and monsters at the helm, cowards in command, and people dying for nothing. Pathetic.

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u/Cat_Behemoth 9h ago

The rest of the world: never buy American weapons, they will betray you

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u/Lotus_Domino_Guy 1d ago

I saw a meme that said "in 2025 it was 'you have no cards', in 2026 it's 'don't use your cards'".

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u/grafknives 1d ago

It is not just the Trump. USA is itself very low on interceptors.

This is why Europe was pushing more own interceptors to Ukraine.

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u/yhwhx 1d ago

The US is low on interceptors almost exclusively due to Trump's idiotic actions against Iran, correct?

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u/grafknives 1d ago

Absolutely. That war was a absolute strategic defeat and disaster for US.

And countries that rely on their military support.

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u/Tetter 1d ago

Agreed yes, it is also on the policies that inhibited patriot production. That goes back before trump unfortunately, and the iran war just blew up the problem completely unnecessary and imo with intent to cause chaos.

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u/jargo3 22h ago edited 21h ago

A big problem also was that Patriots were used to shoot down drones. When the military leadership is selected based on loyalty to Trump instead of proficiency don't except the military to adjust changing conditions quickly.

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u/Tetter 16h ago

Yeah, if only we worked and learned from the worlds most innovative drone defense organization/country. Of course that would require some humility from trump and theres no chance of that ever happening, he would prefer his sons make our defense drones.

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u/fevered_visions 14h ago

after they watched the same munitions thing happen in the first year of Ukraine

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u/Lost_Department_2177 1d ago

China wants to redevelop all these war zones with Russian and nk labor.

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u/ever_nomad 1d ago

They don’t clash, Trump is a puppet of Putin that wants Zelenskyy to give up.

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u/Glass-Amount-9170 1d ago

The Saudis got the patriots instead of Ukraine and are burning through them fighting the Houthis. Stupidest of times we are living in…..

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u/Gain-Western 1d ago

Saudis are rationing interceptors.  I think the correct answer is Israel. 

Saudis pay a high premium be it for Patriots or for F-35s so they should have precedence over Ukraine.  

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u/SherluckHoImes 23h ago

Ultimately, it is a good thing. US air defense systems are overpriced and the US administration is not reliable. Ukraine should know by now that US is not a reliable ally.

As for the US? They are weeak! they can't even use their bases in the middle east as a lot were destroyed by iranians!

To add insult to injury, Saudi Arabia (who is supposed to have patriot systems if I'm not wrong) just had their airport bombed by houthis.

Do the US play chess or checkers?

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u/Tom1952Phx 1d ago

Trump and Musk the two Russian sympathizers are combining to lose the Ukrainian people. They are betraying both Ukraine and the United States. Trump.is clearly a traitor to what America stands for. Musk is just a Neo Nazi THUG

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u/Sunnyjim333 1d ago

Ukraine is fighting for its very existence. Just reverse engineer them, rename them "farming implements" and be done with.

Our America is no longer a trustworthy friend or ally to the free world. Our leaders worship dictatorships and warmongering.

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u/orpheo_1452 1d ago

At that price for each missile EU citizens were so scammed deep in the brown in financing this shit.

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u/Jman1a 1d ago

Exclusive news that would have gotten you in jail during ww2 if you released weapon stock pile numbers publicly.

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u/MsCompy 1d ago

Can't it just be over with, please? I'm so tired.

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u/Overall_Curve6725 1d ago

The orange clown is throwing another tantrum and it’s causing a daily loss of life. Cant wait for his passing to create a new place to piss

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u/Daz004 13h ago

Surely the EU can step up for now? Hoping for a positive answer

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u/OkTemporary5981 5h ago

American here, Zelensky can send some drones to the White House if he wants. It’s currently under construction anyway. Mar-a-Lago is great for drone testing too I hear.

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u/wouldntyouliketokno_ 3h ago

Raises? Nahhhh White House.

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u/RhoOfFeh 1d ago

I wish that the president of the USA had the interest of the free world somewhere in his decision making process.

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u/crymachine 1d ago

It's almost like without the US funding it, the war wouldn't have escalated or gone on this long.

But I'm sure the US is doing the right thing and it's a righteous war of good and evil, and not just regular human beings like you and me who are being killed by one another.

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u/Sjoerdiestriker 21h ago

It's almost like without the US funding it

This is a bit disingenuous. Cumulative US aid to Ukraine totals less than half the combined cumulative aid of the European Union and its member states.

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u/crymachine 13h ago

Ukraine's defense and security budget for 2026 is approximately $66-98 billion, compared to roughly $9-10 billion in 2021 which is a 921% increase for war.

European union gives more money at large to keep the government solvant and functional, the United States aid is directly for war.

It is entirely disingenuous to look at money for killing and money for economics on the topic of killing and war and say the one side who dedicates billions to killing isn't spending as much as someone else who's spending more on the economic side.

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u/Sjoerdiestriker 13h ago

I imagine a large fraction of that 66-98 billion the European Union (+member states) pay for is directly spent on military equipment, so I don't see much issue with comparing the two.

Besides, the word you used was "funding", which seems much more associated with giving money than giving weapnry. 

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u/crymachine 13h ago edited 8h ago

There needs to be a distinction made here. Up until June 2026, the EU's financial contribution has primarily been towards macro-financial assistance, budget support, paying pensions, and rebuilding. So no imagining needed, those are the facts.

The last five years? Of the war the united states has directly contributed specifically towards lethal aid. Drones, guns, bombs, etc.

Without the financial aid of the United States, this war wouldn't have continued or dragged out this long. Ukraine is far smaller, has less soldiers, and will lose to time. It's been senseless, it's been endless casualties on both sides, and it's primarily all due to US Funding supporting a non netrual Ukraine towards Russia which has historically nearly always since 1991, been netrual towards Russia.

This is the same united states funding Israel's genocide, not to be a tin foil hat or anything but I really can't imagine the US funding two separate wars for two separate goals. Aka being the good guys for one and the bad guys for the other.

Funding, financing. My bad I'll talk more like a text book vs like we're both humans so there's less room for confusion.

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u/anonymousopsec1337 1d ago

Ukraine would have gotten steamrolled without the US early help. Now it’s at an unfundable level but Ukraine won’t back down and either will Russia. Both these countries will be bankrupt and the EU will be stuck funding them.

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u/crymachine 13h ago

People don't really like it when I bring up history, but I'm pretty sure Russia only wanted what it always wanted, a neutral Ukraine and not to face existential crisis as Nato sets up right on its border with weapons it couldn't defend against.

Much like the Cuban missile crisis of 61? I believe, where Cuba was armed and could basically annihilate the United States without the US being able to intercept, stop, or prevent its annihilation of Cuba decided to attack.

As the soviet union fell in 91 and Russia went the route of a capitalist nation, their only real hard line was Nato not expand up to its border.

Yadda yadda. Trumps first presidency letting missile treaties expire, Zelensky only being popular on the far right extremists side of Ukraine before he was propped up and became one of the few if not first leaders who did not want a neutral stance with Russia and took all the Nato funding.

Etc etc. You probably don't care, or believe it, and I did write it a little lazily, but. My big bad communist bastard stance is 1. People shouldn't die in war, war is bad. And 2. Russia probably just didn't want Ukraine to become hostile against it and be armed with advanced weapons, as witnessed with the US and Cuba already.

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u/nd_annajones 1d ago

"I'll give you some diesel to help you temporarily look slightly better in the midterms. In return, you have to let Ukraine lose."

"It's a deal!"

This was all self-serving to Donald, like every other decision he's ever made in his entire life. All hail the king [spits on the ground]

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u/Aikuma- 1d ago

But the interceptors are both expensive and in short supply globally, as other countries have burned through their stockpiles or sought to shore up their own defense systems  amid the war in Iran

What's the word on Russian missile stock?

I vaguely recall something about Russian strategy is to just keep sending soldiers forward.

Are they doing the same thing for missiles, hoping to deplete Ukrainian defences faster than it can be restocked?

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u/codroipo_townhall 20h ago

In general, it's better to think of the US as a country of traitors and backstabbers, rather than be surprised by their actions afterwards.

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u/barbarians20 1d ago

Hell If I was president I’d sit the republicans down and give an ultimatum; approve any aid package to Ukraine or I will move whatever troops the law allows me to into Ukraine and force a bigger crisis. But I’m also an impulsive hothead so