r/mildlyinfuriating • u/yurihaythe • 17h ago
Ruined by Technology Roblox age verification verified my 6 years old nephew as 17 years old
Most kiddos like Roblox, and nephew is no exception. So when he came to me and asked me to help him set up an account, I decided to let him(and play under my supervision since I also happen to have an account). When we reached the face recognition section, it absolutely SUCKED ASS CUS WHAT DO YOU MEAN A BOY WHO IS AT HIS TENDER AGE OF GOD DAMN SIX IS SEVENTEEN. AND THE WORST PART IS I CAN’T REVERT IT TO HIS ACTUAL AGE FOR SOME REASON.
Edit: We decided not to play Roblox again after this shenanigan(which I should have done from the start)
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u/Sajgoniarz 17h ago
Hire mods to make your game safe for kids - ❌
Steal people identity for "kids safety" - ✅
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u/ComfortableBell4831 17h ago
Considering the shit the CeO has said publicly im fairly certain this is by design
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u/bargu 14h ago
If everyone is 17 + then there's no children in their platform and therefore no child grooming going on.
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u/Mmaxum 17h ago
you dont even really need to hire mods
see: reddit
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u/Cartoonjunkies 16h ago edited 16h ago
Reddit is a perfect example of why volunteer mods do not need to be involved in child safety.
80% of the mod staff on here probably isn’t allowed within 500 feet of a school.
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u/Sajgoniarz 17h ago
At reddit people wlll do anything for power trip. If you want to protect kids you need a well trained staff, educated in kids psychology.
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u/CrotalusHorridus 16h ago
I was on the fence over Roblox anyway. The day they started this AI verification stuff, I deleted my kids accounts and blocked the app on our home wifi.
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u/moitch 17h ago
The fact we're using facial recognition on children scares me even more.. that scan and associated metadata will forever be part of some database.
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u/CedarWolf 17h ago
Well, it will be part of some database until it gets leaked or cracked or whatever, and then it will be out on the Internet, being used for only God knows what.
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u/Vsx 16h ago
It doesn't have to be leaked or cracked. These companies sell your information willingly for what amounts to pennies.
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u/bargu 14h ago
I've worked for a big insurance company and those fuckers trade your data like Pokemon cards, no fucks given about privacy and that was 10+ years ago.
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u/Uncommonality 13h ago
It's only grown more intense. One of my friends from college spent some time working at a data broker. She said it's extremely shady work, out of what amounts to an entirely unmarked office building with the company having some nonsense name and effectively zero net presence except for their business registration
They primarily trade portfolios of people. Typically each person's portfolio has a unique ID, which is done to prevent the same data from being traded multiple times, and it contains everything.
All personal information you've ever dropped online, any and all documents or pictures of you hosted online, any and all confirmed and potential interests you may have, your social media accounts, the frequency of their use and your posting habits, active and inactive hours, AI analyzed trends in your speech and means of expression on services like Discord, Reddit, Whatsapp and such, links to other portfolios such as family, colleagues, friends, people you may have went to school with, your personal and professional history, family status, health conditions (confirmed and potential), and so, so, so much more.
Using a portfolio it's possible to model your psychology, place you into one of several advertising profiles and customize your experience via a service like Google AdSense to maximize engagement.
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u/Havengul_Undying 16h ago
God knows what it l'll be used for. So does the devil. We all know what itll be used for...
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u/SmokeyOkeyDokey 16h ago
While it’s objectively worse for children to have to do this, adults will also have to scan their face or ID to prove they’re an adult. Which has presented a data risk through data breaches of third-party companies doing the ID verification, like the one that partnered with Discord.
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u/macaronysalad 15h ago
An annoying part of data sharing which needs to be regulated. You can do all the vetting in the world for a company you choose to do business with, but there is nothing legally stopping them from sharing your data with third parties who you have no idea about and how they are or aren't protecting your data. Most spam people get or breaches they're subjected to isn't even from the original company they shared data with. It's out of control and only getting worse because the government loves this loophole overriding our 4th amendment by using our tax dollars to purchase this data.
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u/Mcnugget84 16h ago
I have some really bad news.
It’s already there. I use Google Photos. I have ultrasound pictures that were stored in the cloud before AI was a thing.
Now…. It can tell from those pictures which of my twins is which from some damn early ultrasounds.
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u/baconboner69xD 16h ago
Yeah… privacy isn’t really a thing anymore. This kids identity was probably bought and sold 50 times already.
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u/Mcnugget84 16h ago
I’m aware…. My kids are safer riding their bike to the local park than on their tablet. I’m glad they get outside and have IRL friends.
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u/Cudi_buddy 15h ago
Good for you. I feel there was this weird generation or two of parents that were incredibly ignorant to the dangers of tablet/smart phones while being terrified to let their kids play in the yard with the neighbors. Feel like I see it slowly changing. Unfortunately that seems to be because all the data coming out about how damaging those devices are for young minds.
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u/SunGreene42 15h ago
Google is giving their AI access to people's private photos?
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u/DiscotopiaACNH 15h ago
It keeps asking me to enable it. I think it's ostensibly opt-in but it figured out who various people were in my life way before Gemini.
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u/Amazing-File 17h ago
Even without that, our devices, especially with American OSes and their affiliates (except the open source version), actively watches and listens us. Even if you are far away from your devices, not even in the same network, the moment other people's devices sees or hears you in the wild, your algorithm has been changed
That's what Total Information Awareness (TIA) is
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u/BankHottas 17h ago
A coworkers kid literally tricked the verification by scanning the face of a mannequin in a clothing store. This system is an absolute joke. Roblox wants to be able to say they have a verification system while also still reaching the same underage crowd.
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u/Brokenlingo 17h ago
That game needs to be shut down
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u/Brokenlingo 17h ago
Nothing good ever comes out of it
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u/smilesandlaughter 15h ago
My nephew spent all his birthday and Christmas money for like 5 years on Roblox skins for games that don't even exist anymore lol
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u/Melon-meow 12h ago edited 12h ago
My little brother seriously planned to use 100€ for robux to buy an item in one game.
FOR HIS FRIEND.
I tried to gently talk him out of it and told him it was incredibly stupid.
HE DID IT ANYWAY.
And spent like 70€ of it for the friend. Who was annoyed that he didn't get the originally promised more expensive thing.
AND THAT FRIEND BECAME REALLY MEAN LIKE A MONTH LATER.
And now they aren't even friends anymore.
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u/sQ5FWKjwbWd4QzSZduqy 14h ago
Hopefully he learned his lesson as a kid to not waste your money on stupid digital shit.
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u/Any-Awareness-7700 17h ago
u right brokenlingo
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u/DesireeThymes 16h ago
There's too much pressure to enable children gambling
We have to actually fight for it.
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u/sore-eye-uh 17h ago
Seriously. I am an SA victim advocate and most of my CSA cases have family members as the offender of course, but outside of that I’d say 90% of them come from Roblox and Snapchat
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u/Donna_Schrump 15h ago
I can't confirm your numbers, but I'm familiar with multiple prosecutions of individuals that used Roblox to engage with children (and very many where they thought they were talking with a child but it was a state trooper).
My kid is banned from using that game and all parents should do the same.
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u/Kayel41 14h ago
Are these 6 year olds leaving the house and meeting people they met on Roblox at Starbucks or something
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u/le-derpina-art 12h ago
probably, either that or they're referring to non-contact SA where they lure them to other platforms and then they send or ask for inappropriate pics (combined with other general grooming tactics)
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u/South_Buy_3175 16h ago
Wdym, this is working as intended.
Now Roblox can claim the player accepted their estimate and they’re totally not at fault when the player gets groomed by a literal army of child predators, because how would Roblox know?
JK, this game is absolutely fucked and I genuinely think less of people for allowing their child to play it.
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u/GodofsomeWorld 17h ago
but if you shut down roblox then where else can predators go to target minors?
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u/Senior_Hold_4641 16h ago
Back to wow,Fortnite,RuneScape,social media,government,family
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u/ChicagoAuPair 13h ago
I don’t understand why any parent allows their young kids to use it at all. There are so many other options.
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u/GroundbreakingAd8310 17h ago
Could even stop tik tok cause of intense crying even when china admits its a weapon I dunno even what to fucking say at this stage
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u/SierraDespair 17h ago
Trump fought tooth and nail to keep that brainrot cess pit weapon alive and on the App Store. Biden had already put everything in motion and it was going to be banned.
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u/StalkMeNowCrazyLady 16h ago
Honestly anything that replaces it will have the same issue as a game that mainly caters to children that becomes the biggest game for that market. It took them far to long to get serious but they've implemented better controls and checks to deal with creeps. Just on this post OP is omitting details about this. They didnt click the under 13 age group when making the roblox account, if they did the system would allow at max the 9-12 age group after facial scan which is only required to enable chat.
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u/TeddyBear312 17h ago
That shit is on purpose because they know it will be wrong. They are just hoping people send in their ID's because of it so they have more information to sell to advertisers.
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u/Which-Acanthaceae613 16h ago
That addenum of "AI can make errors please verfiy results" is going to lead to so much shit in the future. When a bank declined a loan or some ad campaign had an issue, heads would roll if they find malice. Now companies have built in liability to disciminate and just say the "AI decided" and get off without liability
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u/ArchtypeOfOreos 17h ago
It's a platform for children, most six year olds don't have a driver's license on hand to send in. Wtf are they expecting their supposed target demographic to do?
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u/SmokeyOkeyDokey 16h ago
In this case, it wouldn’t be for the child (because of their age and not having an ID). Parent accounts for the child would need to give their ID or biometrics, though, to link to their child’s.
So these companies can still get someone’s ID to store as data.
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u/Ok-Raspberry-8099 16h ago
Yo, not gonna tell you how to raise your kids, but if you're gonna give them games try Minecraft instead. The list of grievous issues with Roblox is long but I'll keep it short.
There's no moderation and people post sex games
There has been multiple allegations associated with Roblox basically doing nothing about adults interacting with kids.
Pedos run rampant on it, in fact a YouTuber got banned for trying to bust some one doing such a thing and reporting them to Roblox.
My current boss is in the middle of a court case where not once but twice someone tried to traffic his daughter. Thankfully they trusted their dad enough to immediately tell him.
Anyway just thought you should know that this game is a literal danger in your household to children.
Play Mincraft with your kiddo it's basically digital Legos.
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u/linkingconsequences 15h ago
i’d also add that roblox is also essentially a digital sweatshop that heavily incentivizes microtransactions, gives pennies to the people that actually made the games and their business model encourages slop games over actual well made games. there are some gems there but still.
additionally if you really want to the kid a game that’s age appropriate and they like, give them a lego game. they’re fun and generally well made
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u/Ok-Raspberry-8099 14h ago
I agree, mine play the Lego games as well, and are currently playing with actual Legos ATM.
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u/SmokeyCatDesigns 15h ago
I spent my teens playing Minecraft starting right after its full release, Java edition as it’s now known, and it was a blast. Played on some genuinely well moderated servers and LAN worlds with friends and family. Learned quite a bit about computers too, through things like modding the game and creating my own server and texture pack. That and digital art led to me being savvy enough to do get a tech support job in college.
But yeah, I was so excited when Minecraft hit the scene because it felt exactly like digital Legos to me. My family loved building stuff with Legos but our creations always had their limits due to the cost of Legos.
Java Edition with a Realm is a very easy way for kids to safely play with friends and family and not worry about micro transactions or perverts; Bedrock is a bit more micro transaction friendly with its menu and stuff.
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u/Jtp_Jtg 14h ago
Multiple youtubers have been banned for talking about the predator problem in roblox.
Ruben Sim got hit by a lawsuit, and other Youtuber Schlep with cease and desist letter.
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u/StalkMeNowCrazyLady 17h ago
When you created the account for him you should have just selected the under 13 age group. If you do that it literally can't put you in the 13 and older group automatically from the face scan. It will max to the 9-12 age group.
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u/arfelo1 16h ago
Either way, why the fuck can you not change it manually????
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u/4d_awesome 14h ago
Originally you could. But now you HAVE to either face scan or ID scan, and if the face scan is wrong then ID is your only option.
TLDR, kids lie about their age everywhere. Except now, we’re just gonna assume everyone’s a lying kid so we don’t get sued into oblivion. Please give us all your identification that won’t definitely accidentally leak to all our third parties.
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u/vektorog 17h ago
one time i (21+ group, and also actually 21+) was in a game with a ton of super childish messages so i pointed it out then like 5 people said "yeah im a kid". that age verification shit did not work
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u/Eyjovin 16h ago
I've noticed that the voice chat, which is supposed to be 18+, is 90% squeakers who obviously lied about their age. Every time I enter a lobby with VC I have to mute like 3 squeakers.
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u/natsugrayerza 12h ago
A 6 year old child should not be on Roblox anyway. Roblox has a huge problem with child predators
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u/NaiadoftheSea 11h ago
Agreed. I wouldn’t let my child engage online with strangers until they’re older and understand the world a bit more.
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u/BeezoMeezo 11h ago
This is why age verification never actually works, stop falling for this because you've been fed the propaganda of "it's for the children!!" the people who push this don't care at all, they just want your data
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u/Ready-Delay3918 8h ago
I don't let my daughter play Roblox anymore. She had all kinds of pedos trying to get her to make a Snapchat account. So nope .. no more Roblox sorry. They don't moderate their shit.
Remember like back in the day Alphaworld/Activeworlds always had a moderator on and active.
These platforms today care not about it. Because the pedos get on there and buy gifts or items they can give someone. They are making money off the depravity.
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u/Emergency_Part2093 8h ago
Only time they do is when someone is live showing what a shit company it is. And instead of banning the groomer trying to get information they ban the guy who was showing them.
At this point the CEO and higher ups are in on it.
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u/_Nice-Refrigerator_ 8h ago
Why not turn off the chat?
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u/Ready-Delay3918 3h ago
Well because I'm not helping contribute to a company that doesn't give a shit about all the wolves it allows prance around its servers. That's why.
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u/Jchvv11 17h ago
Roblox is part of everything thats wrong with kids nowadays.
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u/CrotalusHorridus 16h ago edited 15h ago
My kids were spending way too much time on it. Would cry and throw tantrums when I made them get off.
Once they added the face scan AI stuff, I blocked the app in my home.
Within a few days, huge improvement in their behavior. I don't let them have unrestrited access to anything else online either.
We had a very 90s summer, bikes, outdoors and movie rentals, and they said it was their favorite summer break ever.
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 15h ago
Yup, same. It was a tough situation as I came into it with my stepkid when he was 8 and already screen addicted. Pathetically so, any screen was literally like hypnosis to him. Zero interest in any video longer than 2 minutes. But we kicked it and got him reading and outside (a little). I've been thinking of getting him some kind of handheld Gameboy emulator, but idk if kids like that stuff nowadays.
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u/Illustrious_Bat1334 14h ago
Adults letting 6 year olds play online games is everything wrong with kids today*
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u/yumyum36 15h ago
I genuinely think you're infuriated by the wrong issue.
They took a scan of your child's face?!?! Like why are you fine with that but so angry at everything else. It doesn't work because it was built to eventually become part of some government/corporate surveillance network. The accuracy never mattered. Now they got a photo of your kids face.
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u/xxSMITMEISTERxx 17h ago
Hi roblox I'm 12yo
Roblox: you said 18 right?
No im 12
Roblox: got it 21 and perfectly legal
This game needs to be nuked
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u/VulkanCurze 17h ago
The game that didn't want to remove pedos because they would lose too much money, now ageing children up. Not weird at all.
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u/Legatharr 4h ago
Yeah obviously. If an AI can mistake an adult for a minor, it can mistake a minor for an adult.
This AI verification thing is just a ploy to sell you and your children's data to Palantir. They don't care about protecting kids.
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u/bmm115 17h ago
I don't think lil bro should plbe playing Roblox at that age. Too many predators, too little real world experience to know the safety measures and risks.
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u/Tandy2000 16h ago
Yeah, there is a whole problem being discussed here but there's also the issue that this 6 year old is playing Roblox at all.
Kids need to develop their critical thinking skills a lot more before interacting with strangers online. If you are gonna let your 6 year old play games online, it should only be stuff like Mario Kart where it's strictly controlled with no communication between players, or if you absolutely must, some strictly controlled environment where they can play with friends like a Minecraft server you control.
I love video games and I play video games with my daughter, but there is 0 chance I would ever let her play online games alone when she's 6 years old. Keep them to offline stuff, there's way more than enough stuff to play.
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u/Ollie_Golly_10 15h ago
Exactly this. Roblox is literally rated T for teen for a reason, even if you monitor kids who knows what they'll do/see.
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u/uhhhhhhholup 16h ago
Turn off the chat in the parental controls
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u/bmm115 15h ago
The content you can see would blow your mind. One example would be how there were kids being exposed to an older clip where a veteran was Livestream, got dumped by his girlfriend on stream, and shot himself in the head. Turning chat off doesn't stop that. Children under the age of 13 legally aren't allowed to be on these platforms.
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u/napstablooky2 16h ago
even without chat, there's still a lot of games and avatars that're fairly inappropriate. it's really just easier to avoid roblox altogether, or at least wait until theyre a teen and can understand how to navigate things safely on their own.
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u/IapetusApoapis342 16h ago
Your first mistake was assuming roblox is safe enough for your kid to be using it
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u/jaytea86 17h ago
Looks like you just need to go to settings, account info, then birthday to put in his birthday.
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u/2930apple 17h ago
Not how Roblox works anymore unfortunately. You need to verify with ID still regardless
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u/TryDry9944 17h ago
Why does Roblox have explicitly 18+ games anyway?
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u/Crunnnch 15h ago
I think it is more to make sure people who are 18+ aren't playing with children.
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u/-RatPack- 13h ago
If you know anything about Roblox you know this is the opposite of what they want to do.
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u/Trollsama 6h ago
The more i learn about that game, the more Id rather let my kid do lines off a stripper than let them play it lol.
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u/Opposite-Complex1187 16h ago
Its an old ass game a massive chunk of its playerbase started as kids and are now adults...
And as its games are community made some of those adults have made adult games.
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u/ncopp 14h ago
Roblox is way older than people think. I remember it being a thing when I was in middle school. I turn 30 next month.
People who were kids when the game first came out are now old enough to have kids that play roblox. Pretty wild
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u/Spiritual-Spend8187 15h ago
Adults have money. Roblox likes money. If adults are gonna pay roblox money to do adult things roblox wouldn't been doing everything on their power to make money for their shareholders and that would mean they could be sued.
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u/TehKudo 17h ago
Maybe play a fun board game with him?
I'm not judging when I ask this, genuinely curious, What do you enjoy about Roblox and how old are you?
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u/xXNightDriverXx 17h ago
It depends on the social situation of OPs nephew. If for example all of that boys friends play Roblox, him not being allowed to could have severe social consequences and cause him to become more distanced from his friends, or worst case, even lose them completely and get bullied as the kid with super strict parents etc.
Children are very brutal in that aspect.
It should not be that way in an ideal world, but it is.
And as long as it is done in moderation, under supervision, and with age appropriate games I think it is okay.
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u/molecule_anteater68 17h ago
and that's why parents have to step in and say no even if there is a perceived social consequence. it sucks for a kid who feels left out but this game exists as a CSA platform.
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u/PiccoloAwkward465 15h ago
Yeah I'm not gonna let mine melt his brain just because the other kids are doing it. I know they are and I can see the behavioral problems already.
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u/yurihaythe 17h ago edited 17h ago
I mean I do play board games, and many other activities with him. Heck, we hang out every other week(mostly when I am free since law school is hell incarnate). Fyi, I don’t play Roblox since 2020 as I had grown out of that phase. But I just remembered I had an account when he was talking about it, and sort of thought it would be a good idea to play together(big mistake)
Edit: typo
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u/Open-Impact-1607 15h ago
why would you let an online game scan your nephews face? why would you let him play at 6 anyways?
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u/pet3121 14h ago
Please dont let him play Roblox. They are games that are literally casinos with Spiderman and stuff to make it more kids friendly but at the end of the day its gambling. Available to anybody, you report it another comes up. Remember Roblox is not the game is a platform of games, plenty of predatory tactics on those games to get money out of the kids.
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u/gedimas 16h ago
They grow up so fast. My 6 year old managed to verify as 91 year old. But I was able to change that.
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u/DiddlyDinq 16h ago
As with most automation. Rarely works and there's zero reprocussion for the company when they're clearly breaking laws
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u/catjuggler 16h ago edited 16h ago
6yos should not be on Roblox and should not be let loose on iPads. Do his parents know you made him an account, because I'd be pissed if my brother did that. Give him PBS kids if you need an app.
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u/Slight-Veneer 17h ago
Roblox is a cesspool of bad people and the company doesn’t seem to care and at worst seems to actually help them be more evil
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u/Yaakovbenleah1989 5h ago
They're using AI to make it a predator's hunting ground, just like schlep expose them for
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u/OhrenAugenKatzen 16h ago
I can tell you one thing: don't play Roblox even with this child safety stuff it is still unsafe for kids and if something happens to him you can't even take them to court because you signed something. Also a lot of people who are specialised in child safety advice to not even touch Roblox.
But is up to you what you decide to do, this is just my advice.
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u/Mundus6 16h ago
Age verification is the biggest scam on the internet. It's in the hands of the parents. If your kid is doing stuff they are to young to be doing it's bad parenting. Whole face verification etc is just another way to collect data.
And normally the only agency in the world that actually regulates stuff (the EU) are the biggest supporters of this fiasco, so it is never going away.
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u/hellanee 16h ago
And when I as a 23yo wanted to try that game out, AI said I am 15. Didn't want to provide documents to prove, so I had to draw wrinkles, put hair back and make a distorted annoyed sad face, only then it said i am over 21...
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u/tryinsumtin 17h ago
Everybody needs to know that online games is where groomers recruit. Don't let kids who aren't old enough to understand the dangers play alone. Don't give teenagers with poor judgements adult acces to everthing. Sorry you have to be present in the moment and not playing on your phone in the other room.
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u/TURBOJUGGED 17h ago
Everyone knows this is a pedo breeding ground. If you let your kids play this game at this point, that’s on you.
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u/BendyArtistic 17h ago
Both times I've had to verify, Roblox has put me in the teen group. Unfortunately I look younger than I am, so I will likely never get put in the proper age group. It's stuff like this where dependency on a faulty facial AI system makes it worse. It's never going to be accurate.
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u/Ok_Bug_4185 16h ago
Don't let your 6 year old have access to a game that allows them to chat with strangers! Wait till they're 10-12 at least and SUPERVISE them for God's sake. My parents didn't let me get online by myself till I was 12, anything before that was supervised computer time. When they weren't home? Sucked, I watched TV.
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u/ReeceReddit1234 15h ago
My xbox account (which asked for Age Verification) decided I was old enough one day. I'm sure they had their own factors at play but my account is like 10 years old I think?
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u/Lvlyoppsm 16h ago
Or… You could’ve just manually verified the birthday instead of letting an AI do it, and the child would be in the correct age group. It’s not a person that scans the face and determines age, it’s an AI, so it’s bound to be wrong sometimes.
I see so many people complaining ab being put in the wrong age group, and they never actually try to manually fix it, they just complain 💀
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u/AbramJH 14h ago
you couldn’t pay me to feed images of my children into an AI databank.
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u/Anfins 15h ago
I mean, it’s outwardly insane that part of their process is to just guess and then apply that age. That is indeed an insane thing to do and should be called out as such.
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u/Iliketurtles366 15h ago
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought you needed to give legal documentation to verify your age without the face scanner? A lot of people are not comfortable with that
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u/tastyugly 13h ago
Why would Roblox use AI to guess children's age in the first place. I get people can adjust it manually, but having it guess-timate an age in the first place seem asinine
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u/Dahnlen 11h ago
It’s insane that to “keep kids safe” they are asking children to be photographed and then judged by an AI.
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u/LUXI-PL 14h ago
I'd rather AI guess my age wrong than share my ID with a company (either Roblox or third party)
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u/cakemates 15h ago
damn that some brilliant ai training strategy, give a bunch of kids the wrong age and the family will train the AI and depending on country maybe even share legal documentation
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u/sociofobs 16h ago
Have you suggested their parents to do actual parenting, instead of letting exploitative, defective AI systems determine their age and what they can and can't do online?
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u/Strive-- 16h ago
Someone in a board room was like “this will be great!” And then next year comes and holy shit.
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u/squireson-bud 15h ago
What do you mean, this cesspool game requires uploading pictures of your children for "age verification"? That alone sounds fucking sus.
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u/PsychFlame 17h ago
My 20 year old partner got her twitch account suspended because the AI thought she was younger than 12