r/maninthehighcastle • • Nov 15 '19

Season 4: Episode Discussion Threads Hub

228 Upvotes

This is a hub for links to all Season 4 Episode Discussion Threads, so it's easier for people to find the threads they are looking for.

THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR DISCUSSION, SO THIS THREAD IS LOCKED

No comments allowed here, as otherwise people that only look for a link to a discussion thread may get spoilers from episodes they haven't seen yet.



r/maninthehighcastle • • Nov 15 '19

Episode Discussion: S04E10 - Fire from the Gods

574 Upvotes

On the brink of an inevitable Nazi invasion, the BCR brace for impact as Kido races against the clock to find his son. Childan offers everything he has to make his way back to Yukiko. Helen is forced to choose whether or not to betray her husband, as she and Smith travel by high speed train to the Portal - with Juliana and Wyatt lying in wait.


r/maninthehighcastle • • 1d ago

Gmod | Man In The High Castle Models

Thumbnail
gallery
55 Upvotes

I was bored and remembered I had these models and decided to make a scene that i am still working on where all the High ranking officials were on a podium. They are censored uniforms but they are still amazing looking. I tried to portray this scene as accurate as possible and will keep y'all updated on any new additions to this one scene and if y'all have any suggestions or questions for the scene please let me know!

"A man is only ever as strong as the people around him: the community he serves and the family he is sworn to protect." - John Smith


r/maninthehighcastle • • 23h ago

John Smith | Man In The High Castle "The Night We Met" Spoiler

14 Upvotes

I have been working on this edit since my last post on here it took me a good deal of time so I hope yall enjoy and i will keep a theme of adding quotes from the show to my post.

"At least now when someone is terribly ill they're not allowed to suffer. It's a blessing." - Helen Smith


r/maninthehighcastle • • 1d ago

Spoilers BCR vs The Japanese Empire vs The Reich

15 Upvotes

Before I get into my main observation, I will say that I really loved the storylines for the Smith family. I loved how Helene began to dissolve after the death of Thomas while John maintained his standing in the Reich. I loved how Jennifer took after her mother and Amy took after her father, and I thought the tension between all of them was super interesting. Juliana paled in comparison - she was never really as interesting, and I never found myself rooting for her.

Now, one of my biggest criticisms with the final season was the introduction of the Black Communist Rebellion. It was incredibly out of place, and I understand that the show was supposed to have a few more seasons, but had to rush through the BCR's plot to end the show. Okay, I get that. But my bigger issue is this:

Everyone living in the Pacific States knows that the relationship between the Japanese Empire and the Reich is strained. From season one, it's established that the Reich is creating cracks in the Empire's foundation in order to weaken them so that the Reich can make their move and nazify the world. Why on earth do black people in the Pacific States (who are treated better in the Pacific States than they would be in the Reich???) think toppling the Japanese government is a better option? It's the only thing that doesn't really make sense to me. Why trade the lesser evil for the greater evil? It's obvious that the Reich has the capability and intent to topple the Japanese Empire - the BCR doing it on their behalf just makes it absolutely no sense.

Now, you could say that Frank did the same, as a Jew with involvement in the general Resistance group, but that makes sense because the Japanese Empire killed his sister, niece and nephew, so he had a personal vendetta. Still helps the Reich, but it's a point that the audience can understand. The BCR and the treatment black people experienced in the Pacific States was never shown, so it's hard to sympathize with them.

Additionally, the BCR quietly embodies the same characteristics the Reich proudly displays - racial superiority. The BCR is very very slow to work with white resistance members, and openly detests them. Nazi defectors that move into the Pacific States at the end of season four are treated with disdain when they could've easily moved to Europe and been further from the war. BUT they chose the Pacific States, probably because they've had a change of heart and are sympathetic to their cause, and the BCR treats them awfully.

None of their plot makes any sense to me.


r/maninthehighcastle • • 2d ago

John Smith Edit | THE MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE Edit

88 Upvotes

r/maninthehighcastle • • 3d ago

Spoilers So I just finish this, and basically the ending has the winner getting space tourist?

24 Upvotes

I liked the show if you overlook certain flaws, like the constant relationship drama and shoehorned hookups. That made no sense historically, same-sex relationships were illegal in most of the world back then, and under Nazi rule, flaunting that was practically begging for a death sentence.

The portal ending made zero sense. At first, I assumed the portal was bringing back people who had died, but none of those faces looked familiar. Then I joked with family that maybe they were refugees, but they were all wearing nice, clean clothes. So, what, tourists? Why would a crowd of people just be waiting around on their side, casually strolling through into an alternate reality? Great, you won the war, and now you have an unvetted crowd of strangers to feed, house, and screen for murderers.

Like on their end, that portal would open inside an abandoned US coal mine. To walk through, they would have to hike into a random cave, see a room filled with barely painted-over Nazi symbols, bypass local security, and keep walking anyway. If normal people stepped through an anomaly into a dark cave guarded by armed partisans and covered in swastikas, 90% of them would turn right back around out of basic self-preservation.

It would have made far more sense if resistance fighters or even an alternate Nazi regime came through. If our Nazis could build a portal, what was stopping an alternate Reich from doing the same and invading? Authoritarian regimes rarely stay friendly for long, and watching two Nazi empires wage war against each other would have been far more compelling. The entire portal plot was a huge missed opportunity, unless I missed something critical in the final minutes.

____________________________

The collapse of the American Reich was just as confusing.

If Smith shot himself in the woods and Bill Whitcroft took off his Iron Cross to call off the San Francisco airstrike, Berlin would not just shrug and grant America independence. An undefeated global superpower winning on every front would have branded Whitcroft a traitor within ten minutes, scrambled transatlantic bombers, and deployed panzer divisions to crush the rebellion.

Even if America attempted a clean break, half the world was still under firm Nazi control. Germany would never sit on its hands when it had the overwhelming military might to seize the territory during the chaos. A totalitarian, military-industrial empire does not vanish overnight simply because one regional leader committed suicide. In reality, officers under Whitcroft would immediately attempt their own power grabs. After World War II, top Nazi officials literally believed they would walk out of the Nuremberg trials scot-free; they do not simply abandon power.

Finally, the concentration camps make no sense within Smith's arc. When John talked to his wife, he claimed he did not want them. But once he secured an autonomy pact with Berlin to run North America as he saw fit, he had the authority to shut down the camps and roll back the regime's social mandates. Yet he kept them running anyway.

The entire finale felt completely off, especially the final few minutes.


r/maninthehighcastle • • 2d ago

Thoughts on AI fixing the ending of this show?

0 Upvotes

I'm not saying I will make an AI fix. But this is one of the few shows I think would be best to have an AI fix for the last ep, or maybe to add on another season and forget the last ep. That away the show makes more sense.

Like it looks like many agree the last ep is a mess, and there is a lot of unfinish parts or parts that makes 0 sense. For example the portal.

What is your thoughts on if AI actually fixed the last bit of the show so it has a proper ending?


r/maninthehighcastle • • 5d ago

Spoilers So many questions

23 Upvotes

Just finished the series. I know it was a little truncated after it was cancelled, but can someone answer a couple questions:
What ever happened to Ed? I don’t ever remember him being killed or arrested…?
Where did Childan’s eventual wife in season 4 come from? Did they have a prior relationship or something that I missed?
Was Nicole’s whole storyline just there to push the post-America Nazi propaganda? Did she ever get arrested/killed? Did I miss something?


r/maninthehighcastle • • 9d ago

Spoilers Himmler's rise was inevitable.

50 Upvotes

It seems that in the show, Hitler granted Himmler the same amount of power and authority he held in real life; the SS was essentially a state within a state—they had it all: infantry, armored units, intelligence, and police control. I think the only person who could have stood up to him was Göring, but he was already dead by the time the series took place. This was even demonstrated by how quickly Himmler seized power: he instantly believed John Smith’s accusations against the new Führer, and his men didn't question him when he ordered the arrest. So, in my opinion, it didn't matter who Hitler's successor was; Himmler was always going to be a power operating from the shadows. What do you think?


r/maninthehighcastle • • 10d ago

entertainers

3 Upvotes

Show takes place in 1964. I just searched Michael Jacksons first performance was in 64. If we magically enter the TV show I hope we can help him out.


r/maninthehighcastle • • 12d ago

It's unexplainable how perfect Rufus' acting is in this scene

203 Upvotes

The moment Thomas starts talking about the girl, something struck me deep about Rufus' acting. You can see the exact moment the walls that he built crumble to dust, all the emotions he buried overwhelming his system, a kernel panic.

Notably what made me speechless was: The subtle twitches. The breathing. The sharpening of his eyes, like they were made out of glass. His disassociative stare yet being so clear of the reality of his dilemma. The self hatred expressed in his eyebrows, yet they change when he starts hating the system he's a participant of. Pure anger seeping through when he knows he can't let it out. He hates that he considered or is considering "euthanizing" Thomas, blaming himself and the others. He knows there's ultimately no way out of this. His child is still his child no matter what he says to himself about making the choice for the rest of his family to survive.

I could go on for hours. I've never felt such a striking moment in fictional media. Perhaps it maybe is explained by that I felt the show was disappointing* and then this scene happens.

*Disappointing except for Rufus' acting.

Sorry if it's worded like ChatGPT but it's the only way I can explain points nowadays.

Rufus Sewell was way to good for the show he was given.

(I mentioned a kernel panic in the text. For context it is a safety measure taken by an operating system's kernel upon detecting an internal fatal error in which either it is unable to safely recover or continuing to run the system would have a higher risk of loss.)


r/maninthehighcastle • • 12d ago

The show could have been a 10/10 if it were entirely been about John Smith.

197 Upvotes

And Tagomi too.

The show sits around a 4/10 for me now, but only because of John Smith and Tagomi. Otherwise it would've been a zero :(


r/maninthehighcastle • • 12d ago

Netflix vs Amazon Prime Video Version

Thumbnail
gallery
48 Upvotes

Man in the High Castle ist now also on Netflix.

At least in some regions.

And it seems to be a remastered versions? The colors and shadow details are quite different.

1080p SDR


r/maninthehighcastle • • 12d ago

Which Cold War aspects in this universe would you wish to be more explored ?

15 Upvotes

I noted these different aspects of the geopolitical world:
- two-block Cold War (Nazi Germany vs Empire of Japan)
- implementation of their respective ideologies (Aryan supremacy in the Reich, Japanese superiority in the Empire)
- States satellization (American Reich and the JPS)
- Resistance movements (JPS, China, Serbia, American Reich...)
- Nuclear race and threat from both sides
- Spatial program (revealed that the Nazis went on the Moon in 1959)
- Neutral territories as buffers (Neutral Zone)
- Migrations to escape (Juliana to the Reich, Bell to the JPS)
- Contestation movements in the blocs and social mutations (Japanese were ready to soften their policy in the JPS, while the Nazis were trying to erase American identity)
...

However, I wished they showed other Cold War-like aspects:
> High-level discussions between the two blocs in other neutral territories (like Mexico)
> High-level summits between members of the same bloc (a GEACPS summit, or a European summit of the Reich)
> More intra-relations between countries of the same bloc (between Germans and Italians, Germans and British, Japanese and Chinese, Japanese and Indians...)
> More wars and conflicts in the Japanese bloc (China, India, Australia...) and in the German bloc (Africa, Russia, England, France, Middle East...)
> More IRL characters and how they would live in this universe (we've seen Hoover, Rockwell, the Nazi party, the Japanese imperial family...)

What else do you think they should have shown as well ?


r/maninthehighcastle • • 13d ago

Animatic Idea

6 Upvotes

So... I think this show may be my new hyperfixation!

I love animatics, and this idea has been floating around in my head. If someone has more time and decent art skills, you could try making this, but I have no idea how to start. My idea is for the song Good For You, kinda based on this: https://youtu.be/ZhJuDE3RteY?si=dDFjVwJekHN_sMF5

I'm thinking it would be Helen, Jennifer and Thomas yelling at John!

If this is too irrelevant, let me know, but I enjoyed thinking about the scenario :)

EDIT: Oh my word I just listened to the song again but the part where the boy (Thomas) says "well I guess if I'm not of use, go ahead you can cut me loose"!! 😭 I'm sobbing!


r/maninthehighcastle • • 15d ago

Season 4

21 Upvotes

I’m in the middle of season 4 of a rewatch of the whole thing…..

Did it completely go off the rails in season 4?

Am I the only one who felt like season 1 and 2 were really good. And 3 started derailing and 4 finally crashed and burned? It’s hard to watch!!!!!!


r/maninthehighcastle • • 16d ago

Alternate Ending Fanfiction

12 Upvotes

I just finished this show with my dad; it was so good! I agree with most people, John Smith was the best character and the ending was terrible. I think the family needs a better ending after all he's been through, so I wrote some fanfiction! I may make some edits and add some parts but here you go!

A Better World - The Man in the High Castle - Eden Banner - Wattpad

It starts in the middle of the very last episode at minute marker 26:30

EDIT: New part is out! It should be done now. :)

Thanks for actually reading this! It's pretty cool, and I'm glad I could help people forget the horrible ending they say happened.


r/maninthehighcastle • • 19d ago

People in the portal at the end

33 Upvotes

I don't think the ending was that bad, but it was rushed. I liked the end of the Smith's story and I think it was appropriate. Sure -- lots of untied-up loose ends with characters that we lost along the way. But overall, the Smith storyline was great.

The one thing that bothered me the most was that there was no time to explain why the people were coming INTO the Nazi version of the world. Maybe the resistance fighters could have given the Jewish people, homosexuals, people of color, disabled people a "heads up" to turn around?


r/maninthehighcastle • • 19d ago

Spoilers Frank Frink X Brother Joe

14 Upvotes

Coors.edits on tiktok


r/maninthehighcastle • • 20d ago

The Man In The High Castle X TNO: Last Days of World -The World in 1962

Post image
58 Upvotes

r/maninthehighcastle • • 20d ago

Spoilers Most compelling storyline/characters so far S2E3

9 Upvotes

Have recently started watching the show, and the premise is very interesting. It occasionally feels a little sanitised, and Julianna is next level annoying, but there are some brilliant performances and really interesting, complex characters.

For me, so far, John Smith and his son is by far the most compelling storyline. I am up to the episode where he murders the doctor instead of his son, and I'm glad it wasn't a 'fade to black and murdered the son off screen' cop out which i was a little worried it'd be to begin with. I'm really interested to see where this goes, ideally seeing Smith have to really confront his prejudices and past actions as his son's condition deteriorates. Although, given the focus seems to be the (imo boring) almost romance between Joe and Julianna i can't see this happening.

Have a lot of respect for Frank. I think the murder of his sister and his kids is really the only hard-hitting personal example of the brutality we've seen. Everyone else are characters we didn't really get to know or care about. And his actions really make sense (unlike Julianna's, two weeks of kind of knowing Joe and she betrays the resistance which she was driven to join by her sister's murder? Take a day off.)

Also really enjoying Inspector Kido, really felt for him literally about to commit seppuku and then being stopped at the last minute. I wish we could go into a bit more what that's like recovering from that, but he's not a main enough character so far, so doubtful!


r/maninthehighcastle • • 19d ago

I feel like there should have been more Signs n the show because they're probably considered Caucasian

0 Upvotes

And I feel they should have had more academic conferences shown in Germany because they could now have them in Paris or London as they're a part of the Nazi Reich


r/maninthehighcastle • • 21d ago

Spoilers Just binged the entire show - have some questions (MAJOR SPOILERS in comment) Spoiler

24 Upvotes

I usually try to avoid reading anything about shows that I don’t watch while it’s on air, until after I have finished it entirely. So there are a lot of things that I’m sure have been discussed a lot but I wanted to hear others thoughts.

•Tagomi’s Death - very rarely in shows do characters get killed off in between seasons, if not for an actor not wanting to continue or to being fired from a show. Is that what happened because it was so bizarre that he wasn’t in season 4.

•What happened to Ed? What happened to that entire community Frank living with? They just dropped that entire plot line?

•Did Juliana try to ask anyone about or find out in any way what happened to Frank in season 4? Just wasn’t on her mind at all?

•Blake’s death really came out of nowhere, how was that received by viewers in real time?

•I guess this is more just a subjective thing, but they really seemed to be doing some great character development of John Smith in season 3 and season 4, but then they just decided to drop it and make him completely evil. I mean, I get he’s a Nazi, but you kind of thought they were going towards him doing some sort of redeeming act towards the end, after he went to the other world. But no, they sort of just left that to his wife. I wasn’t happy with that choice.

• A lot of shows don’t stick the ending and I don’t think this one did. But rarely have I ever seen a show that almost seems like it ran completely out of time. Like they had so much more to explain and they just didn’t pace the final season correctly. So they didn’t have time to get through them all. It did remind me a little like Game of Thrones.

Overall, I really liked the show. However, I feel like the science fiction thing was just not necessary and probably resulted in the show not being received as highly as it would have been. They could’ve done essentially the same show based on the premise of the first season, and left the alternate world stuff out of it. I think it would’ve been more accepted by mainstream viewers.


r/maninthehighcastle • • 21d ago

Do we see it yet?

0 Upvotes

Maybe it was the 3 day immersion to the exclusivity of other media, but this presentation hit like a shovel to my face.

The statues, the cameras everywhere, the in-home survelance, the racism and erradication... Vote Blue, it's a start.