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u/SyntaxSarcasmco 13h ago
So basically... Alpine Linux running Wayland, compiled with Musl, and maintained by someone who ignores your forum posts?
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u/RvstiNiall 12h ago
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u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 New York Nix⚾s 11h ago
and freelinx
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u/RvstiNiall 11h ago
I almost forgot! I have you guys bookmarked.
Did you ever get a chance to check out the kernel autobuild stuff?
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u/Pitiful-Welcome-399 New York Nix⚾s 11h ago
?????
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u/RvstiNiall 11h ago
Oh, I assumed you were part of the team.
I had recommended they check out different autobuild setups to build the linux kernel, without gnu make, without having to do it manually for each new kernel.
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u/AlterTableUsernames 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 1h ago
Chimera is a general-purpose Linux-based OS born from unhappiness
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u/Temporary_Call_3675 3h ago
alpine is not try to be for any pc no is for pcs that just need to run for that i don't counter it bcz i talk about the people that delete this things bcz trend of new linux generation
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u/TheLuckyCuber999BACK 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 6h ago
Fuck did gnu or systemd do?
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u/Revolutionary_Leg552 55m ago edited 49m ago
I know what a lot of people hate systemd because of their position on age verification and not following the "linux filosophy" (one program, does one thing, systemd isnt just an init system, is a network manager, a system journal...)
Edit1: At my viewpoint, its just a minory that does a lot of noise on something that they know its wrong (even i do) but almost nobody really cares. Most end users say "holly s*** it works!" instead of getting a black screen and moving to windows again, thinking "well, never again".
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u/Woodpecker-Visible 15h ago
Add: no epic anticheat support and artcraft cancer
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u/IndependentNeat7217 M'Fedora 2h ago edited 2h ago
I don't like what's on the post above, but epic's anticheat is just a red line, i'm not letting a multi million dollar companie say what i can't do to my kernel, nor have a privilege higher than my my user on my machine, especially a one that i don't trust.
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u/LookItVal 14h ago
I guess I'm just a little freak over here who actually like x11 and systemd
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u/Temporary_Call_3675 14h ago
look systemd hate have some logic buuuut......wait why i replied i just gonna use x11 and do memes and post about another things and live my life at the end is my pc i can do what ever i want and if see hate post on x11 i just gonna skip it and make myself happy
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u/serge-mv 14h ago
A lot of people like x11 and I don't know anyone who doesn't like GNU. I mean the formal name of Linux of GNU/Linux and you still have a bunch of purists correcting everyone with "actually, it's GNU".
Also, a lot of people like Wayland now. Most distros switched and most issues went away. Only some particularly stubborn ones dislike it.
The meme is just so-so. It's a bit funny because of constant tech holly wars, but hardly the truth.
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u/Temporary_Call_3675 14h ago
there is distros try to be gnuless like chimera linux
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u/RvstiNiall 10h ago
Chimera tries to use "the best tool for the job" in accordance with q66's beliefs. Nano is included because its pretty great.
"This means Chimera is not a GNU/Linux system, as it utilizes neither GNU utilities, nor GNU libc, nor GNU toolchain. However, the project is not anti-GNU/GPL, and its userland choice is primarily technical. Users are generally free to use whichever software they like." - https://chimera-linux.org/about/#alternative-userland
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u/errepunto Arch BTW 14h ago
Find, grep, bash, nano, gcc, make, gawk... all of the are nice pieces of software.
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u/serge-mv 14h ago
I know. There are a handful of GNUless distros, but most of them still use gnu utils and formally Linux is still called GNU/Linux. The distros that don't use GNU remove it from their name and marketing (like Ubuntu)
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u/CubePlayer1114 12h ago
Yeah, Plasma dropping X11 was barely an issue for me, though I'm on an AMD card anyways
I was using it for a while since Waydroid does not function without it, even if I barely use Waydroid, I just stayed on Wayland since I had no reason to go back to X11
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u/slicehyperfunk ＵｗＵntu (´ ᴗ｀✿) 11h ago
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
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u/CannedDeath 14h ago
NO GNU
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u/p47guitars 12h ago
Erasure of our roots.
How is it, software with a copy-left ideology is being shunned and frowned upon? Is it because of the idea that anyone can use it regardless of endevor? Or is it because c is considered to be abhorant?
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u/gamblizardy 8h ago
The anti-copyleft pro "permissive" license trend is 100% due to industry influence.
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u/CannedDeath 11h ago
I thought this was about the GNU Project's software, not about the GPL and copyleft licensing. Some people complain of GNU components being bloated or not POSIX-compliant. Busybox and musl are a lot lighter and closer to POSIX. Busybox is GPLv2 too. I think there are also complaints of GCC being technically harder to extend to new languages and arches than LLVM/Clang. Honestly, I'm alright with the GNU project's products aside from the hideous eyesore that is GNU indentation style and the ancient nonsense of autotools.
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u/p47guitars 10h ago
Well, it's not like you have to use GCC. But I feel like replacing the core utilities and rewriting them in rust was just a waste of effort. The core utilities were already really lightweight to begin with, and I don't think that any amount of rust makes them any better.
I'm also kind of curious why posix compliance is important in 2026 when clearly the world of gnu Linux has become its own thing.
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u/Emotional_Solid6538 6h ago
Yeah pretty much. GNU while was a consumer based project with various software over time. Many of their stuff has bloat. Instead of seperating into different products or alternatives. Its becoming one for all based stuff which isnt modular like Linux is meant to be
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u/oso_cosmico Not in the sudoers file. 13h ago
So, Alpine. Cool.
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u/Temporary_Call_3675 3h ago
alpine is not try to be for any pc no is for pcs that just need to run for that i don't counter it bcz i talk about the people that delete this things bcz trend of new linux generation
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u/1mgsel Crying gnu 🐃 7h ago
Is XLibre allowed? Or only option is just Wayland?
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u/cAtloVeR9998 1h ago
XLibre has little long-term chance of success. Every major desktop environment has moved or is moving towards being Wayland-only.
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u/Ok_Grapefruit6661 6h ago
Who hate GNU? Hate againt FOSS ideology and GNU will not be tolrated
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u/frakt_ 6h ago
Some dudes think gnu software is bloated
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u/Ok_Grapefruit6661 6h ago
They are just larper. They used something else like musl and think they are superior
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u/Careless_Subject8377 11h ago
I'm perfectly fine with x11. Yes it has issues but they're minor (oh no I can't go above the gold standard of 60fps with my cheap side monitor connected, ohhhhhh nooooooo) and at the end of the day it works.
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u/_AscendedLemon_ Dr. OpenSUSE 9h ago
Hardcore Linux cultists:
- You should try Linux, because Linux is freedom
- Yey! So I choose this Kubuntu, and I love it!
- No, it's totally forbidden, you are banned from the community
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u/jolharg 💋 catgirl Linux user :3 😽 9h ago
So like... Busybox static servers then
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u/Temporary_Call_3675 3h ago
busybox is not try to be for any pc no is for pcs that just need to run for that i don't counter it bcz i talk about the people that delete this things bcz trend of new linux generation
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u/Linguistic-mystic 14h ago
GNU is ok but not glibc. Really, musl here, now is what would save Linux. Hell, I’d even use systemd if it ran on musl.
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