r/interestingasfuck • • 18h ago

Spider silk being collected, sliced down using a knife to make it thinner, then being used for WW2 tank gun sights.

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u/Akanash_ 18h ago

"Taken without protest from his home" said with a heavy British accent is peak irony.

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u/SpectreHaza 17h ago

“Returned peacefully”
Violently shaken out of a box

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u/Aware_Reception5253 16h ago

In a starved state.

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u/buyatollah_kuminamy 15h ago

In cloudy London weather

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u/kermitthebeast 14h ago

After taking all its silk

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u/SRNE2save_lives 11h ago

With thanks tho

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u/rasputinrasputin 17h ago

everything “taken without protest” if you’re English lol

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u/P2029 16h ago

"Ah, this little fellow has some interesting trinkets that would look nice in the Royal Museum. He gives it to us gladly, thanks old chap!"

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u/monsterfurby 17h ago

Why does this make me think of the gekoloniseert video.

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u/wildcardbets 18h ago

The battle spiders were also essential during WWII.

https://giphy.com/gifs/EHGDrT5bNq75e

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u/Zwangsjacke 18h ago

People thinking this is fake, there was no AI in WWII.

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u/Quiet_Raccoon8053 14h ago

Back then they just had I.

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u/Random_182f2565 18h ago

And battle dinosaurs

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u/wildcardbets 18h ago

They trained them to fight from a young age.
https://giphy.com/gifs/q3uDB1eaA2jEk

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u/lynivvinyl 16h ago

Not da momma

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u/Romeo9594 12h ago

Is this Earth vs. The Spider?

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u/wildcardbets 8h ago

My great grandpa filmed it in the deserts of northern France, it gets quite hot there despite what people think. (But honestly I don’t know what it’s from).

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u/Blue2501 11h ago

What movie is that from? I'm sure I've seen it on Svengoolie

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u/wildcardbets 8h ago

I’m not sure I’m afraid.

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u/Skrazor 5h ago

What the hell? Have you seen the size of that spider!? How can you not be sure if you're afraid of that?

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u/wildcardbets 5h ago

I’m not sure, I’m afraid 🥺

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u/ledow 18h ago

British spiders are, obviously, the best and only choice.

Even as a Brit, I have to love a bit of propaganda...

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u/Electr0bear 14h ago

British spiders be like

> Luv me thread

> Luv me flies

> 'ate em Nazi spoiders

> Simple as

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u/nujabes02 7h ago

Simple as

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u/MobiusX1 18h ago

I imagine the spider that is already in the county would probably be the best option lol.

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u/DrStalker 17h ago

Especially since you already have the proper environmental conditions, plants and insects available for them to live and breed.

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u/DeanDMX 14h ago

“Taken without protest”. Very British 🇬🇧

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u/EjaculatingAracnids 11h ago

I never protest when my spiders are taken

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u/TDYDave2 18h ago

It wouldn't make much sense to use a South American spider in Britain with all the local spiders available.

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u/shapu 18h ago

We'll see, they tried using Argentinian spiders, but that caused a bit of a dust up

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u/Starscream147 18h ago

🇨🇦🤝🇬🇧

How you makin’ er, Cuz?

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u/amalgaman 17h ago

Who dafuq has the dexterity to slice spider silk with a knife?

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u/SaberReyna 17h ago

Thought the same. Deal with microns as a scale at work and after a quick Google, spider silk is between 2.5 to 25μ and we have to use an XRF to detect that shit. This dude is slicing something that small with a knife?! I'm impressed.

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u/ToughScreen1397 16h ago

years ago my shop would use spider web for surveying instrument reticles. had several bundles in an envelope. was told they came from black widow but never knew for sure. we would string up cheap david white levels and high dollar K&E theodolites with same process

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u/Genteel_Lasers 14h ago

I came across black widow webbing from time in my previous job and it felt different than other spider webbing.

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u/Steppy20 13h ago

With my understanding of spiders, it's likely to do with how they build webs.

Black widows make traps with strands going to and from other surfaces to cacth walking insects, whereas most common spiders that would be used on a frame like that are trying to catch flies and stuff from the air instead of the ground.

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u/TheMadmanAndre 9h ago

Black Widow silk is, by tension strength, the second strongest silk in the world after the Darwin's Bark Spider.

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u/Skrazor 5h ago

Huh, I never knew spiders could bark. TIL

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u/Shovelhead_Fred 17h ago

Toolmaker?

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u/Shovelhead_Fred 17h ago

Toolmaker?

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u/SaberReyna 17h ago

Electroless nickel plating. Making metal stick to metal basically. Dirty ass job.

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u/Shovelhead_Fred 12h ago

Ahhh so you’re plating the parts that I make 😂

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u/SaberReyna 10h ago

We handle mainly stuff like brake calipers, pistons, deepsea oil parts, train buffers, missiles for the MoD, motorbike gear selector shafts, nuclear parts etc! Even did some shit that went into space.

The only spiders we get have drowned in nitric acid or something, poor guys.

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u/10bMove 16h ago

You can snip the ends to alter length, but you can't change the thickness once it's been extracted. It's either fake or wrong. 

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u/rasputinrasputin 17h ago

Yeah seriously, they were doing this by hand for every gun sight?

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u/Fun-Perspective426 11h ago

According to OPs source, they don't...

If a particularly fine thread was required, it was split by brushing the thread up and down with a fine sable brush. The strands were unraveled and those not desired were brushed off leaving one in position on the frame, ready to use.

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u/No_Blackberry6525 16h ago

A 70-year old man, apparently

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u/6GoesInto8 15h ago

Is it a bundle of individual fibers? I could imagine the knife separates the bundle then the rest is more peeling than slicing. Like string cheese but tiny and weird.

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u/davewave3283 17h ago

Take a shot of victory whisky

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u/trustmeneon 11h ago

The explanation is not very clear what he does with the spider silk but based on the movement i guess he grazes the silk with the knife. So he doesn’t cut it in half but sort of stretches it which makes it thinner

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u/Round-Suggestion-331 18h ago

Before everyone screeches about OmG diS iS FaKe, the imperial war museum doesn't lie

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1733949917689450

Another sauce;

https://lidarmag.com/2005/04/30/along-came-a-spider-spinning-silk-for-cross-hairs-4/

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u/CautionarySnail 17h ago

It’s not necessarily a bad thing to ask “Is this fake?” about newsreels.

There had been propaganda reels released during WWII that were not honest; they wanted the enemy to be chasing technological advancements that didn’t exist.

Similarly, some were to manipulate the public, such as the campaign to get people to eat more carrots.

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u/TheShapeshifter01 11h ago

No the carrot thing was a bullshit explanation for why they were so good at air to air combat in the dark of night. The actual explanation is they were the first to manage to shove radar equipment into the planes.

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u/Easy_Mechanic_9787 8h ago

Yes, that's them manipulating the public.

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u/TheShapeshifter01 8h ago

Pretty sure it wasn't to get people to eat more carrots though, it was just made up nonsense to trick their enemies that people ended up believing.

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u/GabionSquared 7h ago

I mean there's an important distinction between fake as in "a modern fabrication for views/ai" and "contemporary propaganda" which, true or not, is valuable history

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u/DJ_Hindsight 18h ago

I’m kinda shocked people would think this is fake in the first place and then I remember the current timeline we are in 😂

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u/Pleased_to_meet_u 15h ago

I 100% expected it to be British propaganda that they knew would eventually be seen by the enemy and cause them to waste their time and energy trying to replicate it.

Similar (but not quite) to everyone 'knowing' that eating carrots improved eyesight.

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u/ceebeefour 18h ago

“Everything I don’t know is a conspiracy theory.”

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u/DJ_Hindsight 18h ago

Haha yep!

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u/Sbstnbd 17h ago

Because, to me, it frankly feels outlandish that spider silk was the best resource used for this case.

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u/Vokunkiin13 10h ago

Are you aware that spider silk is stronger than steel of the same thickness? It doesn't require any specialised or hard to find resources, just grab some spiders and away you go.

The manufacturing process does require a specialised skill, but that's the only hiccup in producing these parts, according to the video.

Spider silk is perfect for this, it's light, strong, and fairly unreactive to a wide variety of atmospheric changes, especially after being coated in shellac.

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u/Sbstnbd 10h ago

That's not what I mean, I just feel like there's less complicated methods.

But then again it was probably cheap af

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u/Its_priced_in 15h ago

No it’s not. It’s AI

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u/alliownisbroken 1h ago

This is a great line.

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u/Quiet_Raccoon8053 14h ago

The old guy freehand cutting spider silk to 1/3 of it's width could also have something to do with it.

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u/Fun-Perspective426 11h ago

Using a knife is the unbelievable part and even their source says the title is fake...

If a particularly fine thread was required, it was split by brushing the thread up and down with a fine sable brush. The strands were unraveled and those not desired were brushed off leaving one in position on the frame, ready to use.

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u/_Fun_Employed_ 16h ago

Well the British were also known for disinformation propaganda. Like the carrots improving night time vision…lying about the source of one of their essential war time resources doesn’t seem too far out there

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u/WestRestaurant216 18h ago

AI videos on every corner today.

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u/XuX24 18h ago

I doubt they are able to make this type of video properly. The voice the film grain the people etc.

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u/Phil_Coffins_666 17h ago

Are you doubting the abilities of Super Intelligence?

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u/DJ_Hindsight 17h ago

You work for them don’t you? 🫣

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u/DJ_Hindsight 18h ago

Yeah that’s true, but they’re minimal compared to all the decades of historic footage we have.

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u/XuX24 18h ago

For me those type of WW2 videos don’t lie

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u/mah131 17h ago

Yeah, WW2 had propaganda at an all time low.

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u/St1Drgn 16h ago

I mean, it's common knowledge that Britain was able to spot all the German planes comming because carrots 🥕 give good eyesight. No other reason whatsoever. Nothing to do with that secret radar technology.

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u/TheTroon 18h ago

That's incredible, but I'm very sceptical of the "cutting it thinner with a knife" bit.

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u/banandananagram 18h ago

My guess would be just scraping it to get it smoother and reduce any stray inconsistencies like with other kinds of natural fibers, not slicing it in half

Still have to be delicate, but not what they described

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u/10bMove 16h ago

Scraping it would do the opposite, humans can't make a single line of spider silk "more smooth" by mechanically altering it. Anything we do to it is going to make it worse. 

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u/this_is_bs 17h ago

"returned with thanks"

More like dumped unceremoniously.

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u/A_Unique_Nobody 17h ago

Is there a name for the accent the narrators for these old videos/radio have? I don't think I've ever heard it in content that was produced after like, 1990

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u/space_keeper 14h ago

This is received pronunciation (RP).

Mid-atlantic as suggested by another poster is an American accent with features borrowed from RP.

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u/AppropriatePirate671 17h ago

Mid atlantic i think

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u/space_keeper 14h ago

It's RP.

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u/chupacadabradoo 16h ago

Transatlantic I thought. Mid Atlantic is like “aem eetin’ wooter ice”

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u/StalinsLastStand 15h ago

That’s Delaware Valley. An excellent portrayal, but not midAtlantic.

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u/chupacadabradoo 10h ago

What do you consider to be the range of the mid-Atlantic? I’ve always considered Northern VA to Philly area.

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u/2squishmaster 10h ago

Would go further north for me

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u/StalinsLastStand 8h ago

Mid-Atlantic is Transatlantic and it isn’t anywhere but I’m with you now. You’re thinking of Midland and/or Atlantic. Which, yeah maybe it’s a little confusing to have such similarly named accents clustered together. Roughly Maryland through mid-Jersey, so Northern Virginia is good. They blend into Atlantic-Midland in central Jersey.

The accent diversity of the northern Atlantic coast and inner coastal regions is absurd.

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u/TiresOnFire 16h ago

Correct. It was easier to understand for both British and Americans and it was easier to record/hear through the audio equipment of the time.

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u/space_keeper 13h ago

Mid-atlantic is an accent from America.

This is RP, but not perfect RP. I think it's someone with a regional accent affecting RP, maybe Bristol or Somerset, somewhere where they pronounce final letter Rs.

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u/Steppy20 13h ago

Yeah this is 100% RP.

Not sure about the South West accent but I've not lived in the region long enough to be able to tell when someone may be putting on a different accent with their own leaking through.

Almost definitely Southern/South Western rather than Eastern/South Eastern though.

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u/Deleena24 16h ago

It faded away in the 50's not the 90's lol.

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u/QuiglyDwnUnda 15h ago

As someone who sat through untold hours of educational and training films from the 80s, variations of it did make it out of the 50s.

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u/Inaccurate93 18h ago

If true, ideed interesting af.

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u/hurthimself 18h ago

My 3.5 seconds of extensive research does indeed suggest this is true.

Apparently in the US they used Black Widow thread \m/

I do have a very hard time believing a person could slice a spider thread to a third of its width. I wouldnt have thpught even the worlds greatest surgeon could accomplish that.

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u/stoicparallax 18h ago

Agreed. And if it’s possible, the dude in a desk chair eyeballing it couldn’t be the best method to split a spider silk fiber into 3 pieces..

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u/TehGoad 11h ago

i love that they let it go

thx spider bro

TiL spiders are AntiFa ❤️

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u/YoungDiscord 10h ago

Its because to this day we can't recreate what their bodies can do

We figured out how they do it by now

But we still haven't created the technology to recreate it.

And as much as we try we apparently have no way to train them into doing what we want them to

So at best we can make them confortable hoping they play along for a while while we're friendly to that neighbourhood spider, man.

Apparently different spiders have different characters, some will give you a lot of web whilst others will be very picky and simply not cooperate.

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u/TehGoad 9h ago

this guy arachnologists's

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u/ElegantEchoes 7h ago

Is two days of starvation for a spider comfortable? Genuine question.

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u/YoungDiscord 7h ago

These days they do it more ethically

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u/ElegantEchoes 7h ago

Great! But I'm surprised we haven't discovered or made anything that can replace spider silk. That's kind of awesome though.

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u/AnnualZealousideal27 18h ago

It reminds me of the scene in Andor when they’re discussing the Ghorman spiders.

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u/Desperate-Abalone954 17h ago

Did any other nations do this? Were there different species of spider used?

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u/Zdendon 15h ago

"then it is split" By hand. Whaat?

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u/1wife2dogs0kids 14h ago

There is zero possibility that the guy in that film can cut spider silk without glasses. I'm 50 and I can't see shit without readers. That guy is pushing 70.

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u/thepoisonpoodle 17h ago

So why exactly was spideys web used? I didn't get it from the video ...

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u/monsterfurby 17h ago

Spider silk is tougher than kevlar (which didn't exist yet), so if you need a crosshair thread that is resilient and thin, it's probably a good choice.

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u/Cicer 17h ago

They said so because it doesn’t react as much to changing environmental factors. 

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u/HalfSoul30 16h ago

Yeah it wasn't super obvious from this video, but the sights they had you could look through, but had no crosshair to pinpoint aim with, so they would take the spider silk and apply it over the far end of the sight, and you could use it as a thin crosshair

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u/rasputinrasputin 17h ago

The crosshairs I think? I’m not sure either

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u/Just_Not_Fair 17h ago

The sights, said in the first few seconds

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u/SaberReyna 17h ago

That spider gets home to his missus... You wouldn't believe the shit I've been through the last few days Brenda. Some gigantic nerd kidnapped me, took advantage of my anal secretions, fucking sliced them up and they're using my beautiful silk in guns Brenda, guns!

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u/Ok-Cycle-5132 13h ago

It was kind of jarring hearing the spider referred to as male. “Charlotte’s Web” has given me subconscious bias to think of all spiders as female — didn’t know until now.

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u/TrackingTenCross1 18h ago

“And in the third act, I want a giant mechanical spider.” - An Evening With Kevin Smith

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u/BloodJackson 18h ago

Split by hand with a knife wtf

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u/Sheepish_conundrum 18h ago

I'm curious, are human or other animals hairs just too thick for this?

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u/ColBBQ 17h ago

Spider silk have the ability to be semi transparent in daylight which is critical in targeting distant targets.   This gives it a prism effect of seeing lines without being obscured by darker lines by other fibers.

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u/Sheepish_conundrum 17h ago

oh that's incredible. I didn't know that. Thank you!

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u/Helemaalklaarmee 17h ago

Fine human hair is about 0.07mm thick. Thick spiders silk is about 0.005mm thick.

That's quite the difference.

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u/scud121 17h ago

The US used black widow web for crosshairs and targeting devices too.

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u/t0nn3r 18h ago

Jesus Christ there was even spider propaganda “the British spider is the best for it” and “taken without protest” like he was aware of his duty and sacrifice.

I mean at least it was better conveyed back then rather than just getting a man to hold a pint and be vaguely racist.

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u/Wasatcher 17h ago

Imagine they had to use some German spider because it's silk was better for the task.

"The immoral arachnids are captured on a mission deep behind enemy lines. Then bred, and their resources taken to wage war against its evil homeland."

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u/Cicer 17h ago

I always though that type of presentation was on the nose done for humour sake. 

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u/lad_astro 17h ago

That's absolutely all it is.

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u/POB_42 14h ago

Exactly. The spider even earned a salary, according to the commentary.

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u/GrassFromBtd6 6h ago

Wonder if the spider's family would be compensated if it dies in the line of service

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u/Fletcher_Chonk 18h ago

Doesn't look like it protested though

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u/t0nn3r 18h ago

He didn’t have time to get any stationary

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u/numb3r-three 18h ago

Is it an international thing to catch a spider and place them in a matchbox?

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u/volksturm_soldat 17h ago

Those aren't tank guns, they are coastal artillery batteries

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u/lynivvinyl 16h ago

Did they not have any blonde women there with long hair?

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u/MelonElbows 15h ago

I don't get it, they don't just draw those crosshairs on the scopes??

And how the heck are you supposed to cut a thread that thin??

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u/buyatollah_kuminamy 15h ago

Reddit spins a web of lies

Just kidding wanted to say that

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u/GBeastETH 14h ago

Why the fuck do we need words right in the middle of the film?

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u/Alienhaslanded 8h ago

So glad people were so bored back then they spent time playing with bugs.

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u/UnlimitedScarcity 16h ago

"Taken without protest from his home we then starve him to ensure constancy and quality"

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u/Direct-Quiet-5817 4h ago

Believe everything on the interwebs.

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u/CaptainC00lpants 18h ago

Why would this be true? Lol Why not just draw a line? 

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u/Henry_Oof 18h ago

It wouldn't be in focus if painted on the lense

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u/Ready_Disk_571 18h ago

Draw a line with what?

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u/Agreeable_Mud_8338 18h ago

its like drumpf stating that bleach will kill covid,,,some people just haven't got advanced intelligence....

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u/Quiet_Raccoon8053 14h ago

Spider silk dipped in ink

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u/CaptainC00lpants 18h ago

Something sharp into the glass was my first thought

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u/TurbistoMasturbisto 18h ago

You’re so smart, crazy how no one thought of that before yet you did. Incredible.

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u/CaptainC00lpants 17h ago

You say that, but people spent millions on a pen to work in zero gravity for astronauts, Russian just used pencils 😅 

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u/Ready_Disk_571 13h ago

Now I know this is a troll, this is like the most well known debunked fact.

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u/CaptainC00lpants 12h ago

Its true. The "debunked" part was people thought it was NASA that was wasting money on it. 

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u/Ready_Disk_571 7h ago

The debunked part is the claim that one side was clever and the other wasn't. Both sides were perfectly aware of the benefits and limitations of pencils. The Americans used a capitalist approach and developed a solution through competition, with the best and cheapest option winning the contract. The Soviets took a different approach consistent with their system, accepting the risks and using what was available in service of their wider goals. The real story is less about intelligence and more about different political and economic systems producing different solutions to the same problem.

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u/4SlideRule 18h ago

Because you need a very thin line, which is resistant to moisture. Also parts of the reticle have to be movable. These days reticles are precision etched, but literal cross hairs stretched in a frame are easier and spider silk is thinner and cheaper and less likely to snap then super thin wires and literal hair.

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u/Ready_Disk_571 17h ago
Feature Approximate Width
Human hair ~70 μm
Fine engraved glass line (1940) ~50-100 μm
Precision etched glass line (1940 laboratory work) ~1-10 μm
Spider dragline silk ~2-5 μm
Fine spider silk ~1 μm