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Hi everyone,

I'm currently learning to play songs by ear on the keyboard/piano, and I’ve run into a strange phenomenon. I'm curious if anyone else has experienced this and how to best overcome it:

When I have a familiar song in my head and sing or hum the melody neutrally on "Da, da, da", I often get a very specific feeling in my head for the next note (e.g., *"This next note feels like it goes up"*).

However, as soon as I search for the actual note on the piano or check against the original track, I realize: The note actually goes **down** (or vice versa).

**My questions for you:**

1. Do you know this mind game between inner hearing/singing and the actual direction on the keys?

2. How did you train your brain to instantly and accurately identify the *real* pitch direction (higher = right / lower = left) without this "mental filter"?

Thanks for any tips!

I'm using the Perfect Ear app, but I'm really frustrated, I can't distinguish between those two intervals chord progressions that have "I" or "Imi" as the key difference; they sound almost the same to me.

Any tips or adivice on this?

Post update:

In the Perfect Ear app, when training progressions, there are the following intervals:

• V-I
• V-Imi
• IV-I
• IV-Imi

Sorry for not clarifying this in the original post.

Functional ear training means ear training in a tonal and/or melodic context nas opposed to recognizing random intervals or chords outside of any musical context.

What do you think, is it effective? We're often adviced to focus on scale degrees within a key rather than intervals between ramdom pairs of notes. Apps like Functional Eartrainer and Sonofield work this way.

Most apps play a cadence, a scale, a melody or some other key defining device and then give a note and ask for it's degree withing the key scale. Most apps however give a new cadence before each note to identify. In my opinion this is as bad as interval training in isolation because there is a new context for each question. More or less the same as giving a random interval where the root note defines a new key anyway, so what's the point? It would be better to stay in the same key for a bunch of pitch questions.

I find most such apps annoying and therefore I have written my own program that works in a way I want. What's your opinion. How often should we change key? The extremes are changing key for every try (default behavious of Functional Ear Trainer) and at the opposite extreme work in the same key for an entire session. What do you think is best?

I have written my program so that I can tell exactly what pitches and octaves the program shall generate by using a listbox and checkboces for each pitch. I can define whatever scale and whatever chromatics I want across several octaves. I also have a transpose command that transposes the scale to other keys by adding or subtracting a fixed number of semitones to each pitch. I can change the key any time during a session. How often do you think we should change the key?

Do you have any comments or criticism towards my methodology? Do you train in a similar manner. What apps do you use?

hello! a friend of mine is trying to learn this song by ear but is really struggling, he is wondering for any tips on how to play by ear, specifically on this song.

if you know anything , please feel free to share!! thank you so much

https://youtube.com/shorts/PsMq73kP4kY?si=nT930fjrtbAAbnR8

I would love to be able to figure out the chord progressions of a lot of the Fusion stuff that I’ve been listening to recently. I was wondering how I can learn to figure them out including the voicing and chord extensions etc.? If anyone has any good tips or resources to help that would be great! Thank you! :)

One of the biggest mistakes I see when people are starting their ear training journeys is focusing more on intervals than relationships. Specifically looking at intervals as these things that exist in space outside of a tonal context and always in reference to a “1” and another note.

For example, note 1 to note 6 is a major sixth, and that relationship has a certain sound in the 1 chord,

So is note 2 to note 7, and in the 2 chord(a minor chord) that major 6th has a totally different character than in the first example.

TLDR: always be aware of the relationships between notes on 2 planes, the absolute plane(note 2 to note 7) and the relative plane(major sixth)

I made this video going over one of my favorite ways to put this to to practice if anyone wants to explore this more I think this sub doesn’t allow links but if you want it you can dm me

I’m sure there are plenty of post simailr to this but I’m too furious and need an outlet(typing in this case.)

Minoring in music, have played the flute for about 7 years now yada yada

Anyways.

Professor has ear training Perfects and Major intervals (Harmonic and Melody) on Teoria and I am moments away from just taking the F and calling it day because I’m just frustrated.

I don’t understand. Sure I can tell the notes apart, can’t put a letter to them quite yet, but I can hear the difference, I just can’t tell what M2,3,6,7 or which one of the P4,5,8 is which

Can sound like it might be P5 and then suddenly it’s a M6 and vise versa!

I’m just mad and need tips, this is the most frustrating thing I’ve done since this class has started this semester, I’m also tired.

But a lot more irritated at this point.

So please, if anyone has any tips, any at all

PLEASE let me know 😞

Thank you in advance…

Hi, I'd like some advice on how should i approach my ear training, so far I've studied intervals, but since I'm now studying music, i need to get familiarized with Harmonic progressions, Chords, intonated solfège, and melodic dictation.

I use this website called teoria.com but it's filled with exercises and idk how should i approach any of them.

As a example, idk if i should go straight into melodic dictation or should i first do note ear training or a gazillion hours on intervals; I'm pretty lost.

The more detailed the advice the better hehe.

In advance tysm for the advice.

Hello! So when I was in my teens (I'm 36 now, btw, damn that's old, I stopped counting at 25) I went hard at learning intervals. I did David Lucas Burges relative pitch course, and the intervals stuck. I can pretty much nail 100 % intervals in unison, ascending, descending, and instantly know the relationship (for some reason I struggle with major/minor 3rds in unison some days). This has stuck. I did it by tying them to a song interval I knew intimately. However, that is pretty much where I've been stuck ever since. No new developments. This is not entirely true, I'm a songwriter and when I improvise I'm quite fluent in the musical language, integrating tritone substitutions and modal mixtures without too many problems. But as far as relative pitch goes, I'm very bad at "intervals in context" exercises. Decent and chord progressions, but not very fluent – like I can "audiate" or feel my way through a song when I'm at the piano. But it's very much trial and error. Since I've been singing harmony all my life I can easily find the third above and below and construct a harmony.

But I just feel like I haven't been moving a lot since I did that heavy lifting in my teens as far as relative pitch goes. I remember struggling a lot with the pace of David Lucas Burge's ear training when it was time to identify intervals in a row and the subsequent lessons, so I think I pretty much called it quits there.

TL;DR: is there any exercises you guys know of to push beyond this stage of relative pitch?

All the best

Ignore the first one, i was getting used to it

I learned chords to the intro of be by you by Luke combs. That's my first ear training success in reality. I did look up where the capo goes. I probably didn't need to. Well I thought the key was Ab but it was Db 🤦.

But my biggest struggle is not double checking the chords on guitar tabs. But this time I didn't. So that's why it's the first success. Thanks for reading lol it's late.

Hi. Intermediate-beginner on guitar. I can hear it; I just can’t name it. Suggestions? Thanks.

Training my ear, transcribing songs, assigning scale degrees to notes. One YouTuber suggests thinking of all songs through the major scale: minor tonic as the 6th degree of the relative major (A minor → in C major, A = 6). The alternative is the modal approach: major in major, minor in minor (tonic is always 1).

Goal: hear a melody and instantly know the degree and play it, without hunting for notes.

Which approach is more effective for this skill, and why? Interested in personal experience.

How to practice ear training successfully?

Hello potential new friends. I am a young musician looking to learn everything I can about music, and to do that I need to start with ear training.

Let me tell you first what I understand the way I understand it(feel free to correct anything I say, I’m here to learn, not to have my ego stroked; I can go wreck noobs in games for that.)

Musicians have a focal pitch, which is one pitch they know insanely well, a pitch they can recall from memory. It’s basically Music Netflix, it’s on demand. This is Pitch Memory.
Then Relative Pitch is being able to hear the intervals of pitches. Essentially, if what I’ve been told is right, you train a focal pitch so you recognize it and then you can hear the interval another pitch moves(whether up or down) and then you’d know that pitch.
Having a great ear - is about training both simultaneously.
That summarizes how I know the process to work. In my case, I’ve chosen the note A, as I’m a humble violinist.

My trouble is the physical action behind training them. What should I do? How long should I do it for? What are the do’s and don’t’s and the small tricks? Most importantly, will this finally put girls in my DM pool?

In all seriousness, I’d appreciate any answers and advice. Music means a lot to me, and I don’t just want to be good, I want to be the best. That starts with having a good ear.

hello eartrainers

I've been trying to find the chords to this song, it's so simple but I just can't fathom them!!

https://fumotokenichi.bandcamp.com/track/--27

I think the artist uses capo 2...

could someone help??

Is it true that any song has something in it I can learn by ear? Therefore all I have to do is keep at it.....?

Hello everyone

Recently I’ve been going through a bit of a musical renaissance in my life. I’ve always loved listening to music but lately I’ve been diving back into creating it. I played clarinet for 8 years in school and have a moderate understating of music theory and can read sheet music. I’ve started playing clarinet and guitar again and have joined an amateur choir and have started doing dance. I’m also part of a few singing and jam groups. One thing that I really struggle with though is that I don’t have much of an ear, especially when it comes to my singing voice. I learned music by playing an instrument using sheet music, not by ear. I’m surrounded by musicians who can learn a piece by ear or match someone else’s pitch with ease, but I can’t yet.

My question is if any of you would recommend any apps or other resources for helping develop my ear and practice my singing pitch. Something where it will play a note/scale/chord and I have to identify it. Ideally it would also have a tuning function where I could attempt to replicate the note with my voice and it could tell me if I’m correct or not. I know there’s tons of apps out there but it’s a little overwhelming so I thought I’d just come here. Any advice in general for cultivating this skill would also be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

So can find the key reliably. But sometimes I find the 5th of the key by accident. Then I know the diatonic chords. And I can use mostly theory and a little ear to figure the rest out? I feel like ear training is ridiculously simple. But at the same time soooo hard 😭

So sometimes I can feel a melody but don't always know where the melody is coming from.... Does that make sense? Like I can feel a melody or a tone over shadowing the music. Can I just intuitively play what I feel and count it as ear training?

Personally I'm almost certain I hear an F major ACF with an F in the root, but some people said they have perfect pitch and hear a D minor or a Dmi7.