I was literally so confused at the ending. Was Will really in cahoots with Jeanine? And what was The Mender's endgame at the end? I know it's dumb but can someone shed some light for me?

I originally made this post on my previous account sometime last year. However, i am now reposting it on this new account with the permission of the sub's mods.

I posted recently about recreating a character's outfit from the movies in gta. I also talked about having a crew. I have officially made a crew dedicated to divergent, and if anybody would like to join it (if you play GTA that is). Here is the name and tag to look for to join the crew...

I will post the screenshot of the emblems of each faction in the comments if it lets me

Just finished the new book and i loved it! I wish it was longer and im shocked shes only writing 2 of them. Anyways the book was awesome but i couldnt help but get meta about the way she wrote Calebs POV and it kinda took me out of the story. We get Calebs perspective which we havent gotten before and that is cool BUT Tris and Four’s perspective is first person and Calebs is third and its throwing me off. Honestly it really bugged me that its written that way.. It makes me not trust Tris (or Four) as a reliable narrator.. its rare that character POVs change mid book, for example in ACOTAR the author has multiple POVs but only the 2 main characters are first person and the rest are third but their change in POV is between books and not in the same book like TSF. It felt like the author is trying to tell the reader something, especially because we never got Calebs perspective before.. maybe im overthinking it.. anyone else have this issue?

So far I do enjoy this alternate universe. A lot of work has clearly gone into reworking the universe and the role of the factions.

There are two things that bother me though and I’d really like to ask you guys what you think:

- Veronica Roth seems to be trying to justify the rewrite through the narration. I know that’s the whole point of an alternate universe, but sometimes it’s not subtle at all, and it takes me out of the story.

- Related to my first point: we often have characters explaining their choices to make them fit into this rewritten version, but we don’t really understand those choices.

For example, the fact that Tris chooses her family makes no sense to me whatsoever. We haven’t seen her being particularly attached to them in the first place. And to come back to my first point, when Susan questions her about her choice, Tris says that she made it because her family is important to her, and still is. I don’t know, it feels off to me and comes out of nowhere. Sure, she felt betrayed by Caleb’s choice to join the “enemy,” but she herself came to question the legitimacy of her own faction after seeing the news from Erudites. The necessity of the plot and the rewriting seems to be more important than the characters themselves and it’s really been bothering me.

The scene where she asks not to be called Tris seemed quite off to me as well, and also comes out of nowhere. At least in the first book, she was still quite shaken after being the first jumper, so when Four asked her what her name was, her hesitation seemed justified. But here, Evelyn asks her, and Tris immediately gets defensive without us really understanding why.

Am I the only one or did I definitely grow up out of the genre and thinking too much about it? I’d really like to know your opinion! 😊

Hey guys, I'm really confused. I preordered The Sixth Faction on amazon a few months ago. For all this time, it said it would arrive on October 15, but now the estimated delivery date had been moved all the way to December. I looked at other stores, but none of them seemed to have it in stock, even though the book had been out since the beginning of the month? This is specifically about the hardcover version. The paperback doesn't seem to have this problem.

For reference, I'm from Germany, looking to buy the English hardcover edition. Any other Germans here who can help me out? Any idea where else I could get it?

Okay I NEED to talk to someone about The Sixth Faction after finishing reading it today - obviously it has changed a lot (for the good or the worse, I haven’t decided) but I cannot stop thinking about one of the implications of the book.

The book mentioned - when Four was out at the wall with Zeke - that there is a wall of simulations to keep people from coming in/getting out.

Is this implying ALL of Allegiant is a simulation??? If so that is NUTS! But I can’t get it out of my head.

I feel like I missed a lot for the first read, and need to process and talk with others???

She shoots everyone in the foot, arm, leg, etc. But Will, her friénd, she immediately shoots in the head? I might understand that she tries to shoot him in the foot or arm or whatever and if he continues to try to kill her she has no choice. But this was... so rushed

Thought it might be fun to make predictions for the next book, and the possible changes/plot points that will be included.
Tris gets the diary/discovers the truth about her mother quicker. I’m assuming most of book twos plot point/differences will be skipped due to time constraints. Although it could be condensed.
I’m also hoping that her father or someone else is the one that sacrifices themselves at the end. Would love to see tris and four actually get a happy ending in this new retelling.

Guys I need advise!
My local bookstore only have paperback in stock for now.
Does anyone here own paperback? Can i take a look if it's gorgeous?
I wanted the hardcover so much but I can't wait to start reading it😭
Should I wait for the hardcover?

Page 421 of The Sixth Faction. Someone named Gretchen is mentioned when Tris is talking about Fours expression. Could this be an editing mistake and Evelyn was supposed to printed here? Or did I miss something earlier in the book?

I just finished part one of the sixth faction and I don’t get the hype. I was excited to see the changed aptitude test and it’s still got the same problem as the last one. How would you test for amity or candor in that scenario? Then I was interested in the Caleb chapters and the first one is another maze. I skimmed the next Caleb chapter a bit cus I want to know more about erudite initiation and it’s another maze. What’s up with all the mazes? And the descriptions of stuff is inconsistent. The choosing stuff changes from metal to stone and back to metal. Jeanine’s hair changes from brown to blonde. Just reading this book feels weird overall. Anyone else feel like this?

I have been reading the new book like I'm sure many here and read the originals ages ago, but I'm struggling to figure out why they'd have a choosing ceremony at all in their society, the test already proves which aptitude you have, and divergents aren't an accepted part of their society, so why would they ever give anyone an ability to choose?

Currently in the middle of Sixth Faction and I can't help but wonder if Rory is trans ?

Okay so I've just started The Sixth Faction (I'm up to the aptitude test, no spoilers pls), and I'm really confused.

I was under the impression that this book was based around if Tris chose a different faction, and therefore, everything up until that point would be the same as in the original book.

Because why wouldn't it be??? If the story is her choosing something different then it should only be different AFTER she's chosen??? Like why are things different beforehand? Her aptitude test is completely different (amongst other things) and that does make sense to me, her choosing a different faction wouldn't impact the aptitude test!

I don't know if this is me misunderstanding or because I'm autistic and have taken this too literally, but I just don't understand. I was really looking forward to this book and now I don't get it.

also it kinddd if cleared them, I don’t remember if the original books also had it framed that the attack on Abnegation was only targeting the council members, not every Abnegation member. In light of the new discoveries about them, I don’t mind the coup that much … anyways what do you think

Hi everyone, as the title suggests, I was wondering whether I should reread the original trilogy before starting the new book. It’s been a while since I’ve read them so I don’t remember a whole lot, but I’m afraid that re-reading the books will give me certain expectations for the new book. I’m looking forward to it either way though :)

One of my favorite things to do after reading a book is either go to YouTube and search [book title] as vines or go to Pinterest and search [book title] incorrect quotes, you know for laughs, but I can’t do it with The Sixth Faction because it just came out. I just would like something extra while I wait for the next book to come out.

I went in expecting another mediocre-at-best story in this series, but I actually loved it. Imo it is substantially better than the original series, though I am very curious to see how she wraps up this version in the next book.

The thing that struck me most was how much Veronica Roth’s writing has improved. If you told me a different author wrote this, I would have believed you without questioning it for a second. She went from “tell, don’t show” to “show, don’t tell”, and the result is so much better. You feel like you’re moving through the world with Tris and not just stuck in her head while she freaks out about yet another thing she’s jumped to conclusions about.

The world feels real, the plot moves forward with good pacing, and amount you’re asked to suspend belief about is reasonable (as opposed to the original series where we’re expected to buy that Tris learned how to become an expert in shooting, knife throwing, and fighting in one week. ONE FUCKING WEEK. Girl, please)

Tris doesn’t piss me off 75% of the time from being such an irrational and emotional hot mess like in the original version, especially the second and third books. Her and Four together feel like more of a team and not a codependent dumpster fire who never communicate well and are frequently on the verge of breaking up. I loved getting Caleb and Four’s perspectives too.

I’m just praying Roth sticks the landing. If she does, the new version will absolutely be one of my favorite series of the YA genre.

Edit: meant to mention that I got the audiobook. The voice actors did a great job. I really appreciate it when a book uses different VAs when there’s multiple protagonists

I am still really liking this retelling! A nice combination of same versus different.

No spoilers for The Sixth Faction. Plus, how Tris is a lot more like Hermione than Katniss

Guys, as I understand, the book was released on 6th or 7th October in Germany. But I cannot find it on Amazon (says delivery in November) nor in Thalia (says available upon release but it has released!!)

Does anyone know what’s up?

Well, I thought there was only going to be one major change in this re-telling, but we've basically got a new Divergent-verse. More on the blog; Spoilers for Chapters 1-8/

New book spoilers ahead for Caleb

I really hoped we’d get to see more behind the why of Caleb’s choice to betray Tris and maybe he’d have a more sympathetic storyline with there being chapters from his POV, I was not expecting him to betray her earlier in the story and then die with no redemption at all!

Reading The Sixth Faction and was curious - does the alternate universe take place in a different city than Chicago? With the changes of locations - the apartment the Priors live in rather than a house, several characters living in outbuildings of their factions and a mention of Michigan Avenue - was curious if it was a different city than Chicago, or just a different set up for this alternate world.

I'm new on the site and I was wondering if there were any rules about spoiler warnings? I get my book tomorrow and will be blogging my way through it at www.fartingsofafaculty.blogspot.com.