r/classicwow • • 1d ago

Forever The PvP Episode ft. ‪@TipsOutBaby‬ & ‪@Savixirl‬ | Episode 4 - The WoW: Forever Podcast

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bzaMA5fZ1tE&si=xfLQ-JvkyeXb5_qM
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u/google_is_hard_for_u 1d ago

Premades vs Premades thank god! Ik some folks are going to be hella salty lmaooo

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u/Bistoory 1d ago

Best PvP change of the decade.

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u/lanter624 1d ago

Best change. Now they have to set a time cap in war-song and we are golden

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u/Imaginary-Arguments 1d ago edited 1d ago

Shoutout to Countdowntoclassic, the host of the podcast.

These streamers come on and really dilute their feedback with praise and seem to be really timid when trying to voice the rabid concerns that they share on their own streams.

Countdowntoclassic really tries his best to push them to actually just speak their mind.

The layering issue is so unbelievably massive for PvP that I'm sad it got kinda glossed over, but I appreciate the effort from Josh (CDTC) in pushing all of the community hot topics.

Josh, if you're reading this, please continue to pursue podcasting. You're an incredible host, like goddamn.

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u/joshcorbo82 The Legend - Countdown to Classic 1d ago edited 1d ago

Cheers mate, I really appreciate you taking the time for the kind words. Most people don't realise Countdown To Classic has been going really strong all these years on Spotify and never stopped, just cranked out an epic 4 hour episode on the Shaman issues in Forever straight after I got out of the official recording, no rest for the wicked haha

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u/ThatLeetGuy 1d ago

Episode #63 with John Staats before the 2019 Classic release was one of the most memorable podcasts I've ever listened to. Thanks for that.

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u/Ramenface2508 1d ago

you are the best part of these podcasts. personally I can't stand the streamer to blizzard unholy alliance right now but you at least make it bearable. also for the love of god please push them further on the layers / phasing issue. one of wows core identity pillars in 2004 was I can walk anywhere in the world with the same people, yet now people pop in and out like ghosts. it's horrible

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u/Trazati 1d ago

I binged your podcast in 2018 when commuting to college and waiting inbetween classes. Appreciate ya.

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u/Jamios55 15h ago

Countdowntoclassic, you carry that show hard. Look forward to it every week!

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u/Accomplished-Act2525 15h ago

I should start listening again! I used to listen to every episode at release during work in 2018/ 2019 in hype for classic. Its great to hear you again

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u/Tad0422 1d ago

He lurks in here so he will see this most likely. Check out our discord to hang out!

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u/BriefImplement9843 1d ago

"Premades will be put against other premades."

all i need to hear.

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u/Copponex 1d ago

I really don’t know how tipsout keeps weaseling his way in everywhere. I don’t get why people even want to be associated with him.

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u/Seanxedge 1d ago

Completely agree, dude somehow manages to ride the coat tails of others like he offers something of value. I don’t see it. I’m guessing it’s $$

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u/handiman87 1d ago

Why the fuck is tips involved in anything?!

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u/reezy-one 1d ago

Clear comms

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u/AnonBB21 1d ago

He's the official 'host' of the PvP dueling tournament happening, and Blizz has participation in it where they are porting all participants away so that normies aren't being weirdos during it to get their 5 minutes of stream fame

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u/yojimbofog 1d ago

TipsOut is fucking insufferable. I swear he's some sort of industry plant because that guy just popped out of nowhere while being maximally unlikable and knowing next to nothing about the game.

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u/keslol 1d ago

he also talked like he was a known pserver player at launc, but actually NOBODY knew him

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u/MangoROCKN 6h ago

Fake it till you make it has never range more true.

Unfortunately he is still faking it

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u/grandpasweatshirt 1d ago

The name alone is reason enough to dislike him, what a tool

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u/Current_Assassin 1d ago

Never google Tips Out construction fraud

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u/ye1l 22h ago

Out of all things he has said or done, I genuinely don't think it's fair to dog someone for working for their own father from when they were a minor to a late teen and that father commits fraud and they we're a part of it. Not only are people that age impressionable, but especially so when it comes to their literal father figure who they likely trust more than anyone else.

Of course he's guilty of it, just circumstances makes it a whole lot less damning than if he had set up a company and planned it all out himself.

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u/crippleswagx 1d ago

He used to make videos about how vanilla wow was SO MUCH HARDER than retail around the time Nost got shut down. He effectively gaslit people into believing vanilla wow was something it wasnt and people started going to him for takes on vanilla wow.

Of course he proved himself to be a massive tool when classic released and people realized he was full of shit the entire time.

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u/IsleOfOne 1d ago

It was significantly overturned on private servers because raid boss armor was so much higher. So it was a thing, to a certain extent.

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u/DualitiesYTMoon 1d ago edited 1d ago

He works for One true kings asmongold viewbotting organization like Mystic talent. He and otk were the ones organozing this shady tournament.

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u/mac_XL95 1d ago

tipsout lmfao the dude that famously never understood racial abilities despite commentating a pvp tournement in 2019 classic. the dudes a grifter that tried to ride coat tails on the classic scene

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u/VlaamseGaap 1d ago

Tipsout got exposed by Pilav out of all people, dude was a terrible raid leader

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u/HowardGreenfung 1d ago

GET A BREZ ON ZUELASE

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u/VlaamseGaap 1d ago

YO TANK, TAUNT!

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u/reezy-one 1d ago

CLEAR COMMS

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u/AndrewMcIlroy 1d ago

Then was a right wing grifter when wow classic lost popularity.

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u/92fordtaurus 1d ago

He’s a grifter and opportunist. They probably only brought him in cause of the tournament but then included Savix so there’s someone there who actually knows what they’re talking about.

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u/Ok_Assignment_2127 1d ago

I mean that entire clique is still friends with StaySafe. They’re probably just not as open about their views as SS because they stay more palatable that way.

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u/Front-Investigator68 1d ago

The WoW streamer dickriding needs to stop

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u/Interesting-Fee-3460 1d ago

having tips out whos been absolutely afk from wow scene for like 6 years in a wow official podcast is wild to me

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u/ForeverWildAndFree 1d ago

Seemed pretty AFK in this interview too. Waste of a panel slot.

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u/reezy-one 1d ago

Trust me, him not talking is the best possible outcome of this podcast.

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u/Aflyingmongoose 1d ago

That's why they invited two people. He was only there because of the tournament, Savix was the actual player invite.

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u/dankinitdown420 1d ago

Shoulda been venruki

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u/Front-Investigator68 1d ago

Devs prioritize streamers over EVERYTHING

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u/Gorshun 1d ago

TipsOut?

Really?

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u/Lake_Placid2319 1d ago

StaySafe was busy

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u/Senes_ 1d ago

should have asked punkrat then

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u/Korashy 1d ago edited 1d ago

Did they talk about racials at all?

Wasn't this supposed to be the racial postcast? (still listening).

edit: glad we talked about basically nothing instead of the massive racial homogenization they dropped in patchnotes.

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u/Vinticore 1d ago

I thought so aswell and sad it didn't make it in. Suppose if they do something it'll just drop in a patch (not holding my breath now tho).

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u/NachoTacoYo 1d ago

For anyone wondering, the coords are just an outhouse in the barrens

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u/Calm-Inevitable3341 1d ago

must be the canonical TipsOut location

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u/Dwoooid 1d ago

I love how they teased a potential dueling arena then revealed it was just more streamer dick riding and the normies aren't welcome.

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u/Pizardo 1d ago

Fuck Tipsout

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u/smackledorf1 1d ago

God Blizzard please do not entertain this TipsOut guy anymore. He is not part of our community. He is a tourist who only shows up when there is a chance to make money.

Please bring in actual fans and community members.

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u/Uvanimor 1d ago

Blizz did about as much research into their guests as they did regarding what players want for forever

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u/_raimu 1d ago

FraudOut lmao it's a skip angle

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u/521Rob 1d ago

Tipsout is the biggest fraud in the classic wow community and was rightfully taken to the woodshed by Pilav 6 years ago.

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u/Sleepyschoolboy 1d ago

i feel bad for savix having to do this podcast with that scum tipsout

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u/DualitiesYTMoon 1d ago

Savix literlly works for the same organization. Otk and mystic talent are 2 biggest viewbotting organizstions in wow classic community. Shady

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u/Gorshun 1d ago

I've unfortunately soured on Savix as he avoided talking about the Ziqo situation for days and just danced around it.

He's fine with RMT if it's his friends.

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u/Sleepyschoolboy 1d ago

wasn't there a whole drama about how he called them all out and supatease raged calling him two faced for saying his friends should be banned if they rmt he cant defend them ?

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u/WillNotForgetMyUser 1d ago

Yes lol, guy you replied to is asleep at the wheel

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u/Reasonable-Room1123 1d ago

The drama was more than Savix called Supa out by name but didn't call others until Supa made his reply video.

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u/SquashForDinner 1d ago

What do you mean. When he calls out his friends he just gets called a snake or being two-faced lmao.

Lose lose situation for savix.

  1. He calls out his friends? He's a two-faced snake.
  2. He ignores the fact that his friends RMT? Enabler.

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u/Sleepyschoolboy 1d ago

calling out friends for shitty behavior is not two faced

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u/SquashForDinner 1d ago

Tell that to Savix's 'friend'

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u/Nac_Lac 1d ago

Anyone calling him a two-faced snake should be ignored here.

Calling out RMT is always right.

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u/godfrey1 1d ago

out of every pvp personality out there they invite scamsout, they can't be that tone deaf

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u/Calm-Inevitable3341 1d ago

featuring ScamsOut on the official podcast? my lord there’s just no bottom for these guys

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u/Uvanimor 1d ago

Tips who famously is dogshit at the game too

Who remembers that obnoxious “clear comms” video? Why does this roach keep appearing every time Classic picks up traction, he’s an actual cockroach with no personality and definitely viewbotted too.

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u/Winri123 1d ago

Why does this roach keep appearing every time Classic picks up traction

Money.

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u/V_T_H 1d ago

He was never even a vanilla WoW player (not private servers) but once Classic was going to be released he presented himself as an expert spamming the sub with really bad videos that were filled with flat out wrong information.

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u/ForeverWildAndFree 1d ago

This one? https://youtu.be/sAb9lQ0u1t8

A classic.

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u/Uvanimor 1d ago

Yes! Thank you for digging it out

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u/arbiter 1d ago

Blizz devs seem to love streamer attention and being in with the clique

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u/Front-Investigator68 1d ago

It’s reeeeeally embarrassing

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u/EpicHuggles 1d ago

Somehow he and Esfand are in the Blizzard inner circle despite both being absolutely dog shit at the game.

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u/YuusukeKlein 1d ago

Esfand reminds the devs of the good old cosby suite days, might be theyre keeping him around as a fall guy

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u/Ok_Assignment_2127 1d ago

Never ask Esfand about the political views of all his closest friends

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u/getsmurfed 1d ago

Why ScamsOut? What's the tea?

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u/BlamaeuxPrivateEye 1d ago

Family company he was apart of got sued for fraud and lost. Badly. Yet people trust this turd

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u/iamthewhatt 1d ago

Do you have a link to the lawsuit page? I keep seeing different answers on who "won" that lawsuit

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u/nacholibre711 1d ago

I think it was something with a company he was associated with getting sued for fraud?

But I also think they won that lawsuit. So it feels mostly like people who dislike him connecting dots, idk.

I just looked into this a while back, I genuinely do not care and am making no specific effort to defend the guy.

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u/BlamaeuxPrivateEye 1d ago

Pretty sure they lost someone posted the receipts not to long ago on lsf

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u/Skramzkid 1d ago

“We don’t want to split the RP community because we want a critical mass of players to encourage social interaction and world PvP, it’s for the greater good”

Yeah okay, that’s working out great when I’m trying to do PvP events and I’m sharding in and out the whole time and I can’t recognize any names of the people I play with because they stop existing five minutes later when they’re thrown into a new layer. Fostering that social interaction and wpvp real good there guys. I’m so glad RP-PvP died for this.

Also I know Aggrend has a huge boner for streamers but every single time they don’t provide anything fucking valuable at all for these podcasts, like why are they here?? And then they invite this dumbfuck Tipsout??

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u/Xefjord 1d ago

The sharding issue and the RP-PvP issue are two totally separate issues. Tim said they are taking the sharding problems very seriously and rushing to get out fixes. That doesn't change the fact the RP-PvP has an incredibly high chance of just becoming a second PvP server first, and hurting roleplay capabilities on both RP rulesets at the same time through splitting the community. All the stuff they brought up made sense, even if it isn't what RP-PvP fans (Myself included!) wanted to hear.

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u/Skramzkid 1d ago

Sure they make sense but I think it’s a terrible decision to let one of the most amazing communities I’ve been apart of have to be split between choosing if they want a PvP server or an RP server more, which will already potentially divide the player bases. I also think it’s unfortunate that our community is the one that has to kick rocks when no other community is being forced to have to pick between what they want. I’d far prefer to play on a lower pop RP-PvP server than have to deal with the streamer megaserver and the unplayable environment that will be for the first month or two of the game.

Also I knew I recognized your name, I use the Russian Anki deck you built. Great work thank you for it lol

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u/Xefjord 1d ago

Kind of a lose lose situation to me. RP-PvP would definitely be the go to server for me if it existed, but now I like many others are going to have to have characters across multiple rulesets in order to enjoy all the ways of playing the game I would normally engage in. I really don't like that. But I also really don't see a way RP-PvP is going to work just slapped on without substantial changes to how their rulesets work. They said its not forever off the table. So we will see how things pan out.

And glad my flashcards were able to help! Most of my time is spent consulting for language learning apps more than making flashcards, but the language learning companies really like to drag their feet so I got frustrated and just made my own small little thing. I don't expect 90% of those decks to be used (I cover some really obscure languages) but if it helps even one person then I consider it a success :)

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u/Annual-Gas-3485 1d ago

Conclusion: they're clueless about what makes a pvp server community great and the long-term value of such, because they've never experienced it. 

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u/_SleeZy_ 1d ago

Yea it's realy worrying.

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u/cheesequake2000 1d ago

I was hoping they would add some sort of RP 'flag' or something you could just add to yourself on the PvP server, so it would more likely (but not exclusively) layer you with other RP-flagged people.

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u/Skore_Smogon 1d ago

This podcast could have been an email.

Such little info of note.

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u/Zenos1o8 1d ago

Remember tipsout being a real piece of shit raid leader?

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u/Calm-Inevitable3341 1d ago edited 1d ago

ironically that’s one of his best qualities

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u/Curious_Human_hope 1d ago

Fuck tipsout and fuck this interview blizzard promoting scammer turned rightwing grifter is 0/10 on production screening

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u/TruthCanBePainful 1d ago

Summary thanks to Astra:

The video is “The PvP Episode” of the WoW: Forever Podcast, featuring Savix and Tips Out alongside the developers. I reviewed its auto-generated transcript.

The main message: They want PvP to retain Classic’s spontaneous battles, unusual items, and community rivalries, while improving performance, rewards, and matchmaking.

  • Choose your realm rules carefully. Free movement between PvE and PvP rulesets is unlikely because it could undermine faction balance. There are no immediate plans for RP-PvP, largely because of concerns about splitting the smaller RP community. 1:22
  • Large world battles are a priority. Server performance has improved, and they’re continuing work on problems such as raid members being separated into different layers. 11:06
  • They’re cautious about rated arenas and battlegrounds. They want PvE gear, professions, consumables, and quirky items to remain relevant in PvP. Highly competitive systems could push class balance and progression away from that approach. More battlegrounds are planned, but specific ideas mentioned aren’t promises. 16:35
  • World PvP should grow from valuable things to fight over. Rare materials and recipes should create natural hotspots. World bosses and events inspired by Season of Discovery are being explored, without firm commitments on their implementation. 26:34
  • Ordinary ganking and camping will remain part of PvP realms. They favor players organizing protection and retaliation. Cheating and exploits are different, and structured events could include temporary resurrection protection. 35:26
  • Alterac Valley shouldn’t dominate the honor grind. They’ve reduced its relative profitability and boosted other battlegrounds. Premades should face premades, while solo players and small groups face similar opponents; exact group thresholds are still being tuned. 41:58
  • The big reveal is a Mount Hyjal dueling arena. It’s being made available for the community tournament’s top 32, with supporting vendors and a possible cooldown-reset NPC. It isn’t confirmed as a freely accessible launch feature. Future dueling spaces are something they want to develop without emptying existing public gathering spots. 54:23

The most concrete takeaways are battleground reward rebalancing, premade matchmaking, continued world-PvP improvements, and the tournament arena. Rated competition, expanded world events, and permanent dueling facilities remain much less definite.

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u/mac_XL95 1d ago

I dont like how they arent commiting on record to SoD style world pvp events, those i think were the best part of SoD and the best part of pvp in WOW is large scale events in the overworld instead of sending everyone off to their own instanced BGs. Dynamic world pvp events that get us out into the world should be the prime focus of pvp in WoW forever tbh. Blizz really seems to be missing the mark when it comes to making the world feel alive and giving players a reason to leave cities at 60.

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u/Bartizanier 1d ago

These guys are going to give AV the same heavy-handed treatment as dungeon XP and make it so nobody wants to play it anymore, aren't they?

Never any middle ground with blizz. Figure out a solution.

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u/Pkock 1d ago

I can't wait for the first "at current rates it will take XX games played to aquire the same amount honor on anniversary AV at X hours".

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u/onlyheretobehelpful 1d ago

I'm honestly okay with that, people don't even play AV as a pvp event anymore it's just rush the bosses and ignore everything else, half the time people don't even cap all the necessary points along the way. I'd legit rather not have AV at all than what it's become, because at least it'll fill out the other battlegrounds which is sorely needed.

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u/Freecz 1d ago

Peak Reddit right there. Crying about something that hasn't even happened yet except in their own head.

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u/Xy13 1d ago

So no discussion of the ranking system or what seasons will mean or look like? The most relevant part of a PvP discussion..

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u/No_Delivery_3160 1d ago

Really hope the layering is a priority

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u/_SleeZy_ 1d ago

How are you ever going to find meaningful world pvp as in raids vs raids, when everyone who goes there will be in 3000 diffrent shards...

And the so called hotspots they've planned, will surely be a cluster F with the sharding.

Lastly i hope they don't hit AV to hard, it's my favorite bg WHEN it works. I dislike the rushing meta, so imo i'd rather they implement old AV. Or try to fix the rushing meta with a fix here and there so people will actually do objectives and pvp in it and not just rush skip.

Edit: To expand on the world pvp bit. Can't wait to see clips on youtube where fun battles takes place say 120vs120, meanwhile the rest of the server will never even know it happened due their shards. Since the chat is sharded aswell. Can't realy say "Oh hi massive battle outside IF right now come join!"

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u/CrzyJek 5h ago

Yea I don't understand why they don't bother fixing AV and making it like original. Just make it so every bunker needs to have the general slayed inside the bunker and the bunker capped. Every general left alive gives the last boss 100% more HP and 100% more damage. Basically forces you to take all of them out and cap it. And make each general something that will require 20 people to kill minimum so you can't just rush it down with a small group for each.

Doing that slows down the game and gives the other team a chance at delaying the win for the opposition with even a handful of players. Force people to do the AV quests to reinforcements.

It's like they just gave up on AV 20 years ago.

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u/Bird-The-Word 1d ago

Bro they specifically called out fixing the layering issues, as it isn't intentional to split up raids.

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u/MysticalSpinach 1d ago

So extremely disappointed about the lack of RP-PVP support from Blizzard. "Grobbulus was an outlier", my brothers, the Forever beta has had record-breaking Twitch viewership; literally not even the full release yet. Forever launch IS going to be an outlier; give the people what they want and give us RP-PVP. Make it so the faction lock from original PVP rulesets persist. If you have Alliance characters on PVP, you can only roll Alliance on RP-PVP!

Gosh, this is so tilting, I was really looking forward to another Zandalar Tribe experience from 2019.

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u/Rat-at-Arms 1d ago

Im not giving them my money now. My guild was waiting for an RPPVP announcement now we just called the whole thing off because they fucked us. Blizz just constantly loves fucking things up and making dumbass choices.

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u/Fading_Hours_ 1d ago

See you on Nov 4th

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u/Lars5621 1d ago

See you on Nov 4th homie

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u/tddahl 22h ago

you won't see me on Nov 4th!!!!!!!

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Because it releases Nov 5th in EU

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u/jackfwaust 1d ago

We finally get a pvp focused podcast from blizzard and we get a guy who’s only there because he bought his way in by hosting a tournament instead of someone who actually plays the game

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u/BarrettRTS 1d ago

For as much as there are reasons to dislike the guy, he has a track record of hosting these tournaments and them getting viewership that is higher than official Blizzard PvP events. 6000 entrants is also massive for an online bracket event, so it's not like this is some tiny blip either.

Plenty of people who run events weren't notable players first. Esports is also full of people that have done some shit and most people wouldn't blink if they'd been asked to be on something like this. Them giving him a small spotlight and also showing they're willing to bring some things forward to cater to the more hardcore audience isn't super weird.

He mostly kept his mouth shut and pretty much just stuck to talking about tournament stuff.

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u/Eurothemist 1d ago

Blizzard sure knows who to invite.... huh

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u/trinquin 1d ago

He said they would talk racials next time last week did he not. Where was that at?

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u/Jynirax 1d ago

Josh was the best possible host they could have got for this. I really hope there will be more episodes. Really fun stuff to look forward to every week.

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u/weckerCx 1d ago edited 1d ago

This pretty much confirms we are not getting an RP-PVP ruleset server. I'm very disappointed.

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u/Pale-Supermarket3217 1d ago

Why did they invite a far right grifter onto their official podcast...

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u/whatisclassic 1d ago

Some notes after watching:

  • Don't have ruleset choice regret. Be smart. No adjustments for level 60 camping low levels. "PVP happened on a PVP server"
  • No RP PVP. Grobbulus was an outlier. RP PVP servers since Grob have flopped HARD. They don't want to split an already small RP playerbase even further.
  • Incremental steps for fixing layering. Hopefully we can get enough of it in by launch. Will be worked on even after launch.
  • Don't want to make PVP too competitive. Casual before obligation.
  • Organic PVP objectives. World bosses in open world (non-instanced) in 2019 classic was really only content for 1-2 guilds.
  • AV less lucrative for rank 14 grind. Increased gains in all other BGs.
  • Premades will be put against other premades. Wargames will also exist (maybe not on launch)
  • Intentionally balancing around the dueling tournament is not a thing

  • DUEL AREA. A GM island-type thing. Will have NPC unique for the PVP event for summoning people and maybe a cooldown reset npc if they want.

  • They don't want to take away from outside city dueling. But maybe like once a month they have a duel arena event (similar to Dark Moon Faire) in other areas of the world.

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u/Reasonable-Room1123 1d ago

Did they talk about what is considered premade? Like 5man queue to WSG, is that premade or same queue with solo players?

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u/ParanoidCactoid 1d ago

they acknowledged that they werent sure on the final number for release but mentioned something like "you and one or two of your friends" would count as a solo queue.

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u/quagmirranseye 1d ago

A duel area with cross-faction duels would actually be really cool.

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u/Irrerevence 1d ago

Nothing on racial balancing?

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u/Xefjord 1d ago

Nope. But they did say last week we may see racial tweaks with this weeks balancing, so hold fast for the patch notes.

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u/rogbog22 1d ago

>They don't want to take away from outside city dueling. But maybe like once a month they have a duel arena event (similar to Dark Moon Faire) in other areas of the world.

I wonder if they realize they don't have to entertain EVERY idea a streamer gives them

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u/NoDuck7588 1d ago

"Don't want to make PVP too competitive. Casual before obligation."

They actual tried to make this point while featuring the dude who's hosting a tournament with a $50,000 prize pool?

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u/pupileater 1d ago

So what's in the Barrens @ 41.1, 11.9? Anyone can check?

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u/MysteriousNail5414 1d ago

It’s an outhouse on a hill on the dry hills?

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u/hop3less 1d ago edited 1d ago

Apparently its an out house?

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u/b44l 1d ago edited 1d ago

Savix is probably not used to talking with game designers. But it’s a bit embarassing having him asking for highly specific features in what’s supposed to be a podcast to tell us about what WoW forever is.

They are professional game designers, they are great at coming up with ideas of their own — that are coherent with the rest of the design.

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u/tinyElliss 23h ago

To me it's interesting to see each streamer to handle themselves in such setting.

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u/shafty17 1d ago

hopefully everyone claiming this tournament is not endorsed by blizz and isnt influencing dev decisions will shut up now

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u/Old_Onion6239 1d ago

Oh no people are interested in pvp so they invited the guy who host the pvp tournaments to talk about it

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u/smackledorf1 1d ago

This might surprise you but there are other more notable pvpers in the wow community than a guy who has been MIA and popped up out of no where to make money off the hype.

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u/shafty17 1d ago

and then prioritized developing a new arena location in time for the beta specifically so he could host it there

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u/SneakyBadAss 1d ago

Since I don't care about PVP, any info on layering?

Bring Crendor next!

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u/Worldly_Flamingo_352 1d ago

yeah corpo speak for not gonna do shit, sharding is gonna stay and they will "try to improve it"

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u/JDMBrah 1d ago

Another blizzard L

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u/n0rsk 1d ago

This is the only episode I have felt was bad. I have loved the episodes so far but man the guests and content of this one were a miss for me.

They barely talk about the affect on WPVP from layering. If I am getting camped and I switch over to my main will I even be able to find the guy camping me? Can I even be camped if I just join a group and get moved to a different layer as the camper? Usually when I am being camped and I ask for help I join a group so they know my location. Won't that just layer me away from the camper? How will world pvp events like PL towers work with multiple layers?

Idc about the duel tournament and dislike the streamer community. Tipsout only purpose on the show seemed to be to promote his duel tourny.

They didn't really talk about the ranking system much, I know there was a post but they didn't even mention that.

The rp-pvp is disappointing but I also agree that if they add it it will be diluted the rp community and many people who don't wanna rp were planning on going to rp-pvp to avoid streamers from what I have read which isn't good for rp server.

I know it is beta and not ready and brought forward early but that duel arena looks like ass lol.

The entire episode felt like 1 streamer just asking about their specific wish list.

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u/dankinitdown420 1d ago

Savix questions are so cringe
“Umm have you guys thought of adding a treasure chest for PvP” cmon bro

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u/Henkier 1d ago

A bit disappointing they didn't touch on the development of all the other problems that were discussed in previous episodes, like mage rotations and dungeon changes

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u/jntjr2005 1d ago

That would make too much sense

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u/Vlisa 1d ago

Strongly disagree with the idea of WPvP should spring from resource disputes. In my experience, once you have financially incentivized players it eventually leads to an endgame of things like Devilsaur Leather mafia.

If anyone has had experiences in other games where this resource competition did create good WPvP I'd be interested to hear it.

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u/Sryzon 1d ago

Many MMOs have tried to encourage emergent WPvP through resource competition and it's always been lame in my experience.

I like the way New World did it: repeatable quests in contested zones that force you to flag for PVP and are designed so that you naturally run into the opposing faction. The quests reward PVP currency.

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u/punt_the_dog_0 1d ago

devilsaur mafia is kind of an outlier though, no? was really only a thing because of the massive profitability and the fact that they are all grouped up in one relatively small area. having organic combat over things like random mining nodes is really fun. and it's cool, like survival of the fittest, if i can beat you, that node is mine buddy

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u/_SleeZy_ 1d ago

Agree with this, there should be spontanious pvp. If people are "forced" into hotspots it just turns sour real quick. And the sharding situation isn't realy helping that either.

The most fun encounters are the random ones when you barely expect it, even better if you come out winning from said encounter. They're memorable.

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u/Prestigious_Lime7450 1d ago

TipsOut is the worst possible face for them to be bringing on. Toxic shithead. Everything surrounding him is nothing I want near me

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u/davicing 1d ago

Blizzard used resources to create a new zone for the last day of a fan made pvp tournament and they are giving Tipsout GM powers over the zone

WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD

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u/_raimu 1d ago

Aggrend isn't beating the streamer fanboy allegations

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u/Calm-Inevitable3341 1d ago

lmao actually insane

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u/Fearless_Baseball121 1d ago

Can you explain the negative part of this? I dont care about neither streamers or the tournament, but beta realms close in 7 days, whats the issue here? Is it bad that Blizzard is supporting a community event and having some fun with the players? We also have no clue how many resources this took. This might have been a devs passion weekend project for all we know. It also doesnt matter, its not up to us.

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u/boomkinenjoyer 1d ago

This is reddit. Streamers are bad and we need to add monster truck mounts into the game and more retail assets.

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u/TheNewl0gic 1d ago

Unbelievable

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u/tinyElliss 23h ago

Theres 6000 participants and theres gonna be 20 fold more eyes on that tournament via streams.

So yes, Blizzard, logically, has spent some time to support this huge free promotion of the game in beta which will get wiped out later.

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u/Front-Investigator68 1d ago

My excitement and hope for the long-term design of this game dies with every week that goes by lmao. The streamer dickriding by devs, broken classes, and obtuse responses to the layering issue does not spell good things for the future (for me at least)

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u/Maenadic_Frenzy 1d ago

yeah you should probably go outside instead

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u/Inkwellish 1d ago

No RP PVP le cri

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u/Intheshadowss 1d ago

We all want a realm that streamers cannot be apart of. If you are found streaming, banned.

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u/ogjatsote 1d ago

This is everything this subreddit hates lmao loved that they brought tips too

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u/rogbog22 1d ago

Okay my level of charitability for these devs is rapidly dropping off at this point. Why is TipsOut here at all? Why are we wasting time answering questions about this tournament, why is dev time being wasted to assist this tournament? Why does there need to be a "1v1 duel area" just because Savix asked for it?

I don't care about your personalities, I don't care that you want to be friends with these streamers, these should be blog posts tbh.

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u/Its_Daniellex 1d ago

a lot of the pvpers would like a dueling area..

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u/ultraboomkin 1d ago

I don’t know anything about these streamers but it seems like a perfectly sensible use of dev time to engage with the community on community events. A lot of people watch streamers, even if I don’t.

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u/Morazma 1d ago

Yeah this is ridiculous. I look forward to the podcast in the hope that I hear about how they're fixing all the stuff that's wrong with the game. Instead they're just patting themselves on the pback like job done.

I suppose they already have the money from Skyborne packs... 

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u/DrSquirtle00 1d ago

F Tips, what an unlikable guy.

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u/Ok-Woodpecker4734 1d ago

Blizzard giving an alt right drifter like tipsout a platform and power is hilarious

What a clown world

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u/glormosh 1d ago

Sharding, spell coefficients, gear progression, dungeons are a mess...and they're spending time building streamers an arena for the tournament, with NPCs with cooldown reduction timers.

You can also tell they were furious when asked about layering and sharding.

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u/Really_Angry_Muffin 1d ago

No RP-PvP?
Then no sub from me.

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u/Rat-at-Arms 1d ago

Yep my guild just called off the thing due to this and had a bunch of them refund. GG Blizz!

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u/edahns 1d ago

whats in barrens 41.1 11.9?

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u/Annual-Gas-3485 1d ago

An outhouse. It symbolizes how much they care about pvp server communities and world pvp. 

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u/Capital_Mastodon5811 1d ago

is that liver king on the thumbnail?

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u/Roden11 1d ago

I agree they shouldn’t split the already small RP community. Honestly though, why isn’t it already just an RP-PvP server? There should t even be a PvE version of RP. If you’re actually pretending and getting into the RP mindset, it doesn’t make any sense that PvP would be “turned off” in the open world. Tis a silly thing.

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u/Xefjord 1d ago

There is a very serious concern that if there is only one PvP server, and its faction locked, then they introduce another PvP server, that PvP server will just become the Alt PvP server for the opposite faction. In order for a RP-PvP to actually survive, there would need to be two normal PvP servers, or the faction lock would need to be removed. Otherwise it is very very likely just going to be PvP first and completely dilute the RP aspect. Then you split the RP community across two servers, many will want to play RP-PvP but they will be a minority on their own server compared to just PvPers, and then the PvE RP server is just too small to be viable. It definitely would be a bad situation for RPers.

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u/Worldly_Flamingo_352 1d ago

wait until rpers find out nobody from rp pvp is gonna roll on a pve server

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u/Educational-Pay5268 1d ago

just make it so you're faction locked on both PvP servers the same way.

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u/bluewaterboy 1d ago edited 1d ago

Also, in other versions of classic, RP-PVP was more popular than normal RP

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u/_SleeZy_ 1d ago

Yea if the rp server was default pvp, i would go there purely due i want a smaller server, so that there might be a semblance of a community forming there. The pvp events tend to be more fun aswell.

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u/TimewarpingSeaTurtle 1d ago

Because RP-PvP servers draw in people who love to do just one thing: grief RP events by ganking others constantly. It sucks ass. On a normal server, you can enable PvP and make PvP part of your RP when you want to.

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u/Agamemanon 1d ago

Disaster that they endorsed low level town camping as just a fact of life. The idea that the solution to a dedicated band of griefers is to get a band of plucky allies to come kill then is laughable. Everyone knows that plucky group gets stack wiped on impact and immediately disbands.

It’s such a bad response it’s shocking they’ve gleaned any information at all from their pvp servers at all over the years

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u/dnalloheoj 1d ago

In the first ~10 minutes they use the example of finding out PVP isn't for you, so you can't transfer to PVE, because they're concerned about keeping factions balanced.

Why does it really matter for moving PVP->PVE? I could see PVE->PVP not being allowed, but the other way around doesn't really require faction balancing.

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u/SirSaltie 1d ago

This was explicitly addressed in the podcast.

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u/9500140351 1d ago

damn they actually made a pvp episode lets gooo

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u/MyNameIsUggggh 1d ago

This game isn't for retail players. It's not for classic Andy's either.

It's for streamers. GG blizzard you got me, enjoy that $30.

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u/kurttheflirt 1d ago

Do they talk about layering at all? And specifics, not that they are magically going to fix it on launch for world PVP...

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u/ParanoidCactoid 1d ago

only vague corporate speak about working on it

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u/FRBafe 1d ago

Lmao I would love to see the heatmaps they have of player deaths at some point

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u/Bloodydemize 1d ago

ClotsOut

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u/Known_Newspaper_9053 1d ago

Why does this sub hate Tipsout?`I dont really know him outside of arranging tournaments

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u/TimewarpingSeaTurtle 1d ago

He’s a leech

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u/AndrewMcIlroy 1d ago

Hes always been a grifter putting out content to farm revenue instead of actually focusing on quality or content. When classic lost popularity he switched to low quality right wing content that said virtually nothing. He really should just switch to ai bot content instead.

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u/Sorrowful_Panda 1d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/dn5dse/i_thought_tips_out_is_a_nice_and_chill_guy_but/

tldr guy acts like expert on classic wow but isnt gets mad easily

also theres some stuff about irl father or himself frauding or scamming people but idk how true that is or care enough to look into it but you can dislike him just from 2019 classic easily anyway

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u/remakeprox 1d ago

OTK Controversies

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u/Blobeh 1d ago

His family business scammed people (has nothing to do with wow), he would make videos based on projected ad revenue (like most content creators) and isnt quite as knowledgeable about classic as hed like people to believe. Whether those things make hating him justifiable is up to you.

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u/Maybewearedreaming 1d ago

The second I heard tips out I couldn’t watch but it sounds good from what I’m reading

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u/Jinjetsu 1d ago

Loved Savix here. His excitement was contagious.

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u/quagmirranseye 1d ago

Who is Tipsout?? Im guessing hes someone trusted since hes throwing a $100k tourney, but whats his background?

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u/Calm-Inevitable3341 1d ago

grifter, scammer, top-tier raid leader, all-round wholesome individual

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