r/billiards • • Feb 06 '25

Buying Guide [Guide] What cue should I get?

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tl;dr

Updated for 2025, old guide is here. This one will be shorter!

If you're looking to buy your first cue, or your first 'serious' cue, this info will help.
If you're not patient and just want a tl;dr, or brand recommendations (not in any order):

$~50ish: Imperial, Valhalla
$100ish: Action, Players, Schmelke, McDermott Lucky, Viking
$200-$300: Cuetec Avid, Players PureX, Rhino Nebula
$300+: Cuetec Cynergy, Predator, Mezz, Jacoby, Pechauer, Lucasi, Meucci

This list reflects my own biases mixed with some common recommendations on reddit. But there's plenty of other good brands, and each one has a range of products. There's $200 Viking cues and $2000 Viking cues. I list them in certain price brackets because I think, at that price, they're good bang for your buck.


"Performance"

Performance is mostly about the player. There's not a lot of 'technology' in a cue... it's a stiff rod with no moving parts. It mostly just needs to stay straight, feel ok, and not fall apart. Still, there are some things to consider. Most of the R&D for cues goes into the shaft - the skinny half of the stick. Specifically, manufacturers use different materials and build methods, to reduce deflection.

Deflection

'Deflection' describes what happens when you hit a cue ball with left or right english (sidespin).

What happens when your cue ball hits another ball on the left? That 2nd ball goes to the right. The same thing happens if your stick's tip hits the left side of the cue ball. The cue ball goes to the right... it "deflects" off-course from where you aimed. So you have to adjust your aim to compensate for that.

How far off-course? That depends on the shaft. In this pic the dashed line is where you'd go with no english, the solid black line is where the cue ball might go with a low deflection shaft (about 3-4 inches off course). The red line is where the cue ball goes with a standard, solid maple shaft (about 5-6 inches off). Here's a typical real world shot where this matters. The black line is where I'd aim with an LD shaft. The red line is where I'd aim with a higher deflection shaft. IMO, having to make the big adjustment shown by the red line, looks unnatural and makes using english harder.

For that reason, my main consideration is whether the cue has a shaft with low deflection. Unfortunately, those shafts cost more. If you can't afford it, don't worry about it, standard shafts are fine. World championships have been won with standard shafts.

Bottom line - if you buy an LD shaft, what you're buying is just a different line of aim for shots with sidespin. This line of aim might make sidespin shots feel easier. Any other benefits or drawbacks you hear are mostly myths... they don't give you better spin, or cue ball control, or more draw, or whatever. Anything you can do with them, you could also do with a standard shaft. They just change where you aim shots with sidespin.

Build quality

Common build quality issues include: the cue arriving warped, or gradually warping over time, the tip falling off, the joint not quite screwing tight, the joint unscrewing by itself, and the ferrule (white thing just below the tip) cracking. You can avoid these by just buying reputable brands, or from good dealers who offer a warranty. I like Seybert's, Ozone Billiards, Omega Billiards, and Pooldawg. Like other products, you usually get what you pay for.

There's also some differences in 'feel' with cheaper cues. For example, the shaft might be coated with a sticky clearcoat that doesn't slide smoothly through the hands. They may have excessive vibration, or a weird sound. The joint may not be exactly flush, or the grip is a cheap material that collects sweat. It helps to try before you buy. I don't recommend a cue segmented into more than 2 pieces, or one that has a screw-on tip, or anything below $50.

If you decide to go with a low deflection shaft, you also want to consider how the shaft is built. In a nutshell, low deflection = less mass at the end (the last 8 inches). To make shafts have less mass, they make them skinnier (like 11.75mm instead of 13mm at the tip), and hollow out the core of the shaft. They may optionally fill it with foam so it doesn't feel hollow, and splice together multiple pieces of wood to ensure it stays straight. They can also make shafts out of carbon fiber.

There's no law preventing manufacturers calling their shaft low deflection, even if it isn't, so be wary of any shaft that says it's LD, but is made from a single solid piece of hard-rock maple. Look for something that's been hollowed near the end, or made of CF.

Carbon Fiber

Carbon Fiber (CF) is strong, stiff, and very light. The lightness makes it a good material for a shaft, and many people like the stiffness. But you can get very low deflection with either wood of CF. CF is also nice because it's less likely to warp, ding, or crack. But any shaft can last 20 years if you're careful with it. Note: don't confuse carbon fiber shafts with cheap materials like graphite or fiberglass. If a shaft says it's made of some ambiguous 'fiber composite' and the cue is less than $250, the shaft is probably not carbon fiber. A typical name-brand carbon fiber shaft is $400-$600. The cheapest that I know of are Rhino, at $200. Don't worry about getting a carbon fiber butt... they exist, but there's no advantage to it.

Shaft diameter

The diameter is the thickness of the shaft at the tip. When people talk about tip diameter, they really mean shaft diameter. It matters because one of the major ways to reduce deflection, is to just make shaft skinnier near the tip. This also affects how a stick feels sliding through your hands... a skinny shaft might feel more precise, like you're hitting a very specific part of the cue ball. And you may feel you see the cue ball a little more clearly. It's easier to form a closed bridge around it. On the other hand, it may feel a bit thin or flimsy compared to traditional 13mm shafts. People will tell you a 13mm is more 'forgiving' but no stick will turn your misses into makes. I think lower deflection makes learning the game easier, so I recommend something skinnier if it's in the budget.

A standard cue shaft is 13mm, like a house cue.
12.5mm is a popular size for cues that have reduced deflection, but want to feel 'solid'.
11.75 is a common size for very low deflection shafts.
Anything outside of these ranges is uncommon, and not recommended for a first cue.

Taper

Taper is how rapidly the cue transitions from fat (near the joint), to skinny (near the tip). In pool there's two flavors - conical and pro. A conical taper gets skinnier gradually and consistently, like the shaft is a long skinny cone. A pro taper gets skinnier more rapidly, reaching its narrowest diameter maybe 2/3rds of the way down the shaft, and then stays skinny from that point, all the way to the tip. Most pool shafts are pro taper, as this ensures the shaft doesn't get "fatter" as you pull it back, it stays the same.

Tip

All cues come with a tip installed. Don't get a cue with a screw-on tip, they're trash. Tips come in typically 3 flavors... soft, medium, hard. These labels are subjective and vary between manufacturers. One brand's "medium" might be harder than someone else's "hard". Softer tips mushroom (which can be fixed with the right tools) but are easier to shape and scuff. Harder tips are less likely to mushroom but harder to scuff. Some people will tell you softer tips give you extra spin, or makes shots more forgiving or whatever... these are myths. When in doubt, go with medium. You don't need to worry about size, it's standardized. Recommended tip brands include Kamui, Moori, Tiger, and How, but everyone has their favorite. I wouldn't overthink it.

Break cues and jump cues often come with a special super hard phenolic tip, so it can transfer a bit more energy to the cue ball. You don't want a phenolic tip otherwise.

Joint

There's different types but honestly, you'll never miss a ball because of the joint. As long as it screws together tightly, and stays together, it's fine. If you buy a shaft separately from the butt, you need to make sure the pin type matches. Some joints are more common "standards" like Uniloc, 5/16x18, or 3/8x10. Others are more proprietary and only fit stuff from the same manufacturer.

Butt

Play-wise, the butt is basically just a handle for the shaft. But it's also where you have most of a cue's decoration, and has a big impact on how "nice" the cue looks (and also on the price). High end cues have butts made with one or more nicer types of wood, plus inlaid decorations made of wood or more exotic materials like ebony, ivory, mother-of-pearl, turquoise, gold, silver, etc. Low end cues have very minimal decoration (like a solid single color of stained wood) and don't have inlays, or only very simple ones. Some feature printed graphics. In lower-end cues, these graphics try to "fake" looking like a nicer cue by simulating those inlays I mentioned. Otherhave some illustration or design... a rose, skulls, playing cards, etc.

Wrap

The butt may or may not have a wrap. If it does, common materials include leather, rubber, or irish linen. Irish linen is very popular, it looks like speckled string that's been wrapped around the butt hundreds of times. The wrap is a matter of preference - a cue shouldn't really be in danger of flying out of your hand when you shoot, so mostly this serves as a sweat absorber and a decorative element. You just want to make sure it feels good. If at all possible, try a wrap before you buy, because it's not that easy to remove or replace.

Weight

19 ounces is the default, standard weight. A few people prefer 18. Anything lower is a bit weird but not completely unheard-of. Many people like slightly heavier cues in the 20 or 21 ounce range... the theory is that the added weight keeps the cue from wobbling as much when you swing it. If you happen to be unusually big and tall, you might prefer the added weight and also some added length via an extension. I wouldn't get anything outside the 18-21 range as your first cue. You're not locked into the weight you buy, there's a hollow area in the butt of every cue where a long fat screw called a weight bolt is screwed in. By changing the bolt, you can change the cue's weight.

An extension does what it sounds like... extends the length of the cue. They're sold separately and not a common accesssory for a beginner to have, but if you feel like a normal cue is just too short, it's something to consider.

What should I spend? Is ____ worth it?

Most cues are sold with a "real price" and a "sucker price" - you'll often see a cue online showing it's been marked down by 50 or 100 bucks, but that isn't a 'special deal', the lower price is what the cue actually costs, and if you shop around you see that same number everywhere.

Example - a Cuetec Avid chroma:

Seybert's:
"Regular" price: $255
"Sale" price: $229

Pooldawg:
"Regular" price: $255
"Sale" price: $229

Omega Billiards:
"Regular" price: $255
"Sale" price: $229

Just make sure when you buy, that you aren't paying the sucker price, and don't expect to find too many killer deals unless you buy used... pool cues are one of those things that tend to go for the exact same price everywhere. Some sites offer more options to customize the cue in small ways. As for whether something is 'worth it', that always depends on your income. Roughly speaking, a dirt cheap starter cue is around $50 USD. But if you can hold out for $100 you might get something with OK build quality, a little color, or graphics. For $200, you get some nicer looking inlays and such, but not a low deflection shaft. Around $400-$500 you get cues with LD shafts, and maybe some nicer designs. Beyond $500, you're probably paying paying for the brand name, or for a custom cue that is made to your specs, or really nice inlay work.

How long should a cue last?

In theory, until you die. But wood is wood... it can get worn down or warp over time. Generally, most cues don't warp by themselves, they need to be mistreated... stored improperly, or put through lots of sudden temperature / humidity changes. If a cue arrives warped, or warps soon after you buy it, most reputable sites will replace it.

Tips are supposed to wear out and get replaced, like tires on a car. Maybe once a year or so. Your pool room should have someone who does tip changes... the cost varies but probably it will be more than $10 and less than $40.

What brands are good for a beginner?

Really, anything is fine if you're just starting out. Especially around the $100 bracket. You can just buy based on looks. Be aware that a famous player's name on a cue doesn't necessarily make it a top quality cue. You don't want to decide to buy a cue because it mentions Johnny Archer, the Black Widow, or Minnesota Fats. Commonly recommended starter sticks include Action, Players, Viking/Valhalla, and Schmelke. If I had to pick one specific make and model, I'd say get a Cuetec Avid.

At the more expensive end, if you get a cue with a low deflection shaft, you see lots of recommendations for Predator, Mezz, and Cuetec Cynergy.

Custom cues

"Custom cue" can mean either any cue that isn't mass-produced, or a cue that is literally made to your custom specifications. They tend to be more expensive, ranging from $400 at a minimum, to tens of thousands of dollars for the famous ones. Generally these come with standard shafts.

There's a certain cachet to owning a custom cue... you have a one-of-a-kind that plays exactly the way you want. It's a luxury and status symbol. Most beginners won't want to buy one as their first cue, you can play world-class pool with a $400 production cue, but it's something to keep in mind for later, when you know what you like and can afford something fancier. Be aware that many custom cuemakers are famously behind-schedule... it could take months, even years before your cue is finished.

Break and Jump Cues

Breaking puts a lot of stress on the tip, compacts it and makes it harder, and in rare cases may cause it to come off. So a lot of players prefer not to break with their playing cue. That means you can use a house cue or buy a specialized break cue. For a break cue, I don't consider it quite as important to worry about whether the shaft is low deflection or not. The LD ones are expensive, but generally you won't be using sidespin on the break, and if you do it accidentally... that's a skill issue.

My priority for a break cue would be to look for a good hard tip, and make sure you can try it before you buy. Since you'll be hitting hard with it, any weird vibration or 'feel' will be magnified, so make sure you like the feel.

There are also specialized cues made specifically for doing jump shots, the legal type where you spike downward on the cue ball and bounce it off the slate like a basketball. Jump cues are very short and light, with a super hard tip. Generally, I don't recommend buying cues to solve skill issues, but even with maximum skill, jump shots really need a jump cue. They make shots possible that are simply not viable with a full cue. I've used Predator Air, Cuetech Propel, and Hanshew jumpers. They're all excellent. Good ones tend to be expensive though. There are also hybrid break/jump combo cues. If you're buying one for league, make sure it's legal within the league rules.

Other Questions?

Don't be afraid to post if you have a question not covered here. If possible, try to hit with a cue in real life before ordering. In the lower price ranges, you're mostly just looking for a certain minimum level of quality... basically it should not fall apart, rattle, or feel weird. Once you reach that minimum level (which can be achieved for $100 or so) then the only other thing you'd pay for, performance wise, is a specialty LD shaft. For the most part, cues are priced so that you get what you pay for. Most of the online retailers I've worked with have been great when it comes to issuing refunds, and their pricing is all pretty similar across the board, but some of the best deals I've ever gotten have just been through friends at the pool hall.

We have a Pool Cue Buyer's Guide on the sidebar too, check it out. Also check out Dr. Dave's cue page.


r/billiards • • Sep 03 '26

Official Rules Links to the official pool rules, with answers to frequently asked questions

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In pool, it's hard to know what the "real" rules are, because there isn't just one set of real rules, even at the pro level.
So this will help you answer any rules questions, but first... you should decide which rules to use.

If you had to play with just one set of rules for pool in the USA, it should be WPA rules -
https://wpapool.com/rules/

The website has a bunch of links, but the one you want is the "Rules of Play" -
https://wpapool.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/2026.01.02-WPA-Rules.pdf

These are the rules that pros use (in most events). The other documents on that site, like "Rule Regulations" covers stuff that mostly only pros and referees need to worry about... things like dress codes, taking breaks in a match, using a shot clock, etc.

You may have also heard of BCA rules. WPA rules are 100% the same as BCA rules. WPA (World Pool Billiard Association) is the governing body for pool worldwide.
BCA (Billiards Congress of America) is the North American branch of WPA.


Where some people get confused is "BCAPL", BCA Player League.

BCAPL is an amateur league started by BCA, and now run by CSI. And there's a few minor differences in the rules. These changes are to make it more accessible to amateurs. For example, in BCA or WPA, if you foul on the break, the cue ball must be played from behind the line. In BCAPL, you get ball in hand anywhere on the table.

BCAPL rules: https://www.playcsipool.com/bcapl-rules.html

There are other popular leagues. APA is the largest league in North America, with several differences from WPA rules. So if you shoot with someone for the first time, you should ask what rules they use. They may only know APA rules, which can be found here: https://rules.poolplayers.com/


One more thing... some parts of the game are left up to whoever is running the tournament or league. For example, some tournaments or leagues may not allow jump cues even though they're legal in a WPA event. Each event will decide if they allow template racks, or where you're allowed to break from. Some long-running events have 'house rules'. For example, the Derby City Classic one pocket event says that if you elevate a cue to 45°, you will not be called for a double hit, while the onepocket.org "official" rules state that a double hit can be called even with elevation. Many bars have their own house rules.


It can be time consuming to scroll through some of these dense rulesbooks, so here's some quick FAQ-type info you can look up.

Racking

8-ball: eight in the middle, any stripe and any solid on the back corners. 
The one doesn't have to go up top. Alternating stripes and solids isn't necessary. 
In APA, the only requirement is 8-ball in the middle.

9-ball: 9 in the middle, 1 up top, the rest should be random.
10-ball: 10 in the middle, 1 up top. In WPA, the rest are random.  
In BCAPL, the 2 and 3 must go on the back corners.

In all games, pattern racking is not allowed.

Breaking

• Breaks can be legal or illegal, and that status is separate from any fouls you commit. It is possible, for example, to have a break that is legal, but still a foul. The reason for the whole legal/illegal thing boils down to whether you can be forced to break gain, or whether the opponent can take the break instead.

• For all rulesets, if you break too soft, or your cue ball was over the line, it's an illegal break. When a break is illegal, usually the balls are reracked and then broken again. For a break to be considered hard enough, at least 4 balls (not counting the cue ball) must touch a rail. In pro events, there may be additional requirements like the 3 point rule, or you have to satisfy a ref that you aren't deliberately soft breaking.

• In 9 and 10 ball, you must hit the head ball. In 8-ball, you can hit any ball. In APA 8-ball, you must hit the first or second rows.
If you fail to do that, it's not a foul, but it's considered an illegal break.

Scratch on the break, or CB jumped off the table -

WPA 8-ball: Behind the line  
BCAPL 8-ball: Ball in hand anywhere  
APA 8-ball: Behind the line  
9 ball and 10-ball, all formats: Ball in hand anywhere

Jumping a ball (not the CB) off the table -

WPA 8-ball: Foul, ball stays down, incoming player can play it from behind the line or rebreak  
BCAPL 8-ball: Foul, ball stays down, incoming player has ball in hand anywhere  
APA 8-ball: Foul, ball is spotted, incoming player plays behind the line. 
9 and 10 ball, any format: ball stays down, ball in hand anywhere. 9 / 10 are spotted.
Jumping the 8 off the table: WPA, BCAPL: spot it. APA: loss of game.

Winning on the break -

8 on the break: WPA, BCAPL: spot it, option to rebreak.  
APA: Instant win, unless you foul, then instant loss.  
9 on the break: Instant win, all formats.  
But, some tournaments may modify this and spot the 9 instead.  
10 on the break: Not a win, gets spotted.

Open table / choosing 8-ball groups

WPA and BCPL: table is always open after the break.   
Some pro events use "take what you make" rules.
APA: take what you make. If you make balls from both groups,   
the table is open, regardless of how many balls you made for each.  
So, if you make 2 stripes and one solid, you are not locked into stripes.

When the table is open, any combo is legal, like a stripe to a solid. But you can't use the 8 as the first ball in a combo. Hitting it early like that is a foul. You can legally do something like stripe - 8ball - solid.

Once you establish groups, it's a foul to shoot balls in the opponent's group.

APA has a special provision for accidentally doing this: the opponent must call the foul before you make your next shot. If they don't, and you make a legal shot, your inning continues. In theory, the opponent can allow you to several balls from their group, then inform you of the foul, but it's considered unsportsmanlike. However, once you make all the balls in a group and you're on the 8, you now take ownership of that group, and can legally pocket the 8 to win.

Calling Shots

You don't have to call "obvious" shots but the rules aren't always clear about what can be considered obvious. In WPA, they mention "banks, combinations, and similar shots" but don't spell out what 'similar shots' means. In BCAPL they spell them out: banks, caroms, kicks, kisses, or "rail contacts that are not incidental".

You only need to call which ball is going into which pocket. You don't need to call whether it touches a rail, or another ball, or any other details. If the right ball goes in the right pocket, you keep shooting. This means that occasionally, you can fluke a shot and continue shooting. For example, let's say you try to slam a shot into the corner, undercut it, and it flies around the table 4 rails before dropping into the same corner pocket. Since the intended ball went into the called pocket, you can keep shooting. This applies to 10-ball and straight pool too.

8-ball: Shots are called in WPA and BCAPL. Not required in APA.  
Calling the 8 however, IS required in APA.  
9-ball: no shot needs to be called, in any format, but some tournaments   
have a 'house rule' that the 9 must be called.  
10-ball: all balls must be called. In WPA, you cannot combo the 10 in early and win.  
It spots and you stay at the table.  
In BCAPL, you can combo it early and win. If you make a ball and call safe,  
 it's treated the same as making any uncalled shot.  
The opponent will come to the table with the option to shoot, or make you shoot again.

In one pocket you don't need to call anything. In banks, you need to call the ball and pocket every time no matter how obvious the bank, and the bank must go cleanly, a kiss off another ball is not allowed.

Early 8-ball, and other early balls

• Outside of the break, making the 8-ball early is an automatic loss in all formats.
• Making the 9-ball early is an automatic win, but some events require calling the pocket.
• Making an uncalled 10-ball early is not a foul, the ball is spotted.
In WPA you can't combo it to win, even if you call it. In BCAPL, you can.

10-ball - "passback" rules, and "Call-shot-call-safe"

In most modern 10-ball events, you only need to call your shot. You don't need to call safeties, since you can't make a ball and call safe. If you don't make your called shot, but make some other shot accidentally, it's treated like a push-out: the opponent can shoot from the current position, or force you to shoot. This applies to the 10-ball too... if you make it in the wrong pocket, it's spotted, and the incoming player has the option.

There's a variant of these rules called passback, or call-shot-call-safe. Under those rules, if you miss any shot, and the opponent doesn't like the leave, they can force you shoot again. To avoid this, you must explicitly call safety. If you played a shot, obvious or not, they can always pass the table back to you. These rules are uncommon.

Safeties and Push-outs

• Making a ball and calling safe is legal in WPA and BCAPL 8-ball. If you fail to say "safety" before the shot, and it could be considered an obvious shot (e.g. not a bank) you must keep shooting. In APA, you cannot make a ball and play safe. If any ball drops, you must keep shooting.

• Otherwise, if you're not planning to make a ball, calling safe is optional in all formats. APA encourages it to make scorekeeping easier.

• In WPA or BCAPL, both 9-ball and 10-ball, you can play a push-out after the break. You have to declare it, there's no such thing as an "obvious push-out". Any ball you pocket on a push-out, stays down, except the game-winning ball.

Accidental Touches

In WPA, touching any ball (with hand, hair, clothes, etc) is a foul. Playing this way is called "All ball fouls".
In BCAPL, it is "Cue ball fouls only", meaning it's NOT a foul to nudge one object ball, but is illegal to disturb the cue ball.

It's also a foul if you nudge multiple balls. In BCAPL, if a ball gets bumped, the opponent has the option to leave it in position or put it back. The shooter can't put it back unless his opponent gives permission. Also, it's a foul if you move just one ball, but that bump might change the outcome of the shot.

In APA, it's cue ball fouls only, and if you bump an object balls, they must go back to their original locations. There's no option to leave them there. This is still the case if multiple balls are moved. Also, if your cue ball settles where a bumped ball used to sit, the bumped ball is put back as close as possible to its original location, "in a fair manner".

Push Fouls

The meaning of "push shot" or "push foul" has effectively changed over time. Originally, it meant a shot where the the tip "rides" the cue ball for an extended period of time, pushing it along like a shopping cart. This kind of foul is very rare. In modern pool, 99% of the time, "push shot" is used to describe a double hit foul, in cases where the double hit happens too fast to see.

Double hits are always illegal, but different leagues and tournament will have different policies for enforcing the foul.

In WPA, and BCAPL - if two balls are frozen, you can shoot into the cueball and it's not considered a double hit, because both balls leave the tip simultaneously. But if there's any gap between them, it may be called a double hit. Additionally, if you hit the shot slowly, the tip may stay on the cue ball too long and you'll be called for the other kind of push foul. You can avoid this by "shooting away" from the object ball, meaning you cut the object ball sharply or "thin" it.

APA does not call push fouls when two balls are frozen, but doing it repeatedly may be considered unsportsmanlike.

Behind the Line vs. Ball in Hand

Generally, fouls are penalized with ball in hand anywhere on the table. Shooting from behind the line is a "bar rule", or oldschool rule from 50 years ago. There are exceptions though.

WPA, APA 8-ball: scratch or jumped ball on the break = behind the line.  
BCAPL 8-ball: fouling on the break = ball in hand anywhere.  
9 & 10 ball: ball in hand anywhere, always.  
1 pocket: behind the line, always.

When playing behind the line, only the base of the ball needs to be behind the line in most games.
But in one pocket, the whole cue ball must be behind the line, and any ball you shoot at must be fully past the line.

Jumping

In all games, it's illegal to jump by hitting super low and 'scooping' the cue ball up into the air.
If a game allows jumping, you have to strike downward on the cue ball at an angle, bouncing it off the surface like a basketball.
If a scoop jump happens accidentally, it's considered a miscue and is not a foul.

8-ball: Legal jumps are traditionally not allowed, but not banned in the rulebook.  
It's up to the organizer or league.  
In APA, jump cues are banned, so it must be done with a full cue.  
9-ball and 10-ball: Always allowed.  
1-pocket: full cue only, but most events ban them altogether.

Three foul rule

• In 9 and 10-ball, 3 consecutive fouls by the same player is loss of game.
• In one pocket, it's also a loss of game.
• APA 9-ball doesn't have this rule.
• 8-ball doesn't either, but some tournaments choose to add it.

In all games with a 3-foul rule, the player must be notified they're "on 2", before they commit the third foul. WPA specifies they must be notified as they come to the table. BCAPL doesn't say that, but does require that the opponent acknowledges the warning.

Five second rule

In all games, if a ball hangs on the edge of the pocket for more than 5 seconds, then drops, it gets put back where it was.
In APA the exact wording is "a few" seconds.

Stalemate

In all games, if neither player can advance the game, it's considered a stalemate and the balls are reracked, and the original breaker will break again.

• In WPA, if the ref decides the game is not progressing, he must warn players about a possible stalemate. Then, if they fail to advance the game after 3 full innings (3 turns from each player) then the stalemate is called. If the players agree, they can skip the 3 turns and go right to the re-break.

• In BCAPL, the ref doesn't have to warn players. If the game doesn't progress for 3 innings, it's considered a stalemate.

• In APA, players must agree to a stalemate regardless of how many turns pass without progress.


r/billiards • • 12h ago

Questions Suitable housewarming gift?

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Best friend and his girlfriend just closed on a beautiful new home and I just helped him move and install his new pool table (Rasson 9ft), the person he bought the table used from gave him a set of dynaspheres that have seen better days so I figured this would be a suitable and much needed upgrade, picked up at our local billiards store for $429.99+local tax.

I’ve only played the aramith a few times but I feel like they are worth it, what’s everyone else’s opinion on the tournaments vs anything else around $3-400?


r/billiards • • 33m ago

Pool Stories SvB finally found a capable team to win a team event!

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r/billiards • • 17h ago

Pool Stories Early introduction!

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My daughter is 4 months old this Tuesday. About time she starts hitting some balls around, I’d say! FYI it’s harder than I had thought, shooting pool with a baby strapped to your chest 😅


r/billiards • • 10h ago

9-Ball Jflowers Cues deletes bad reviews and comments.

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This company is so strange, they delete all reviews on their websites if it's not 4 stars or better. And they recently deleted my comments on their IG post that stated they delete reviews..


r/billiards • • 7h ago

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r/billiards • • 3h ago

8-Ball Any idea on how to sell this EJ Riley 6x3ft table, or what it’s worth?

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I’ve seen some posts on eBay with it up for north of £2000, any advice on valuations/ best place to sell. Located South West England (Somerset)


r/billiards • • 16h ago

Cue Porn My favorite cue case and all it holds.

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So far, this is the best pool cue case I've ever had. It's solidly made, compact, lightweight, comfortable, yet carries everything I need. It's not a hard case, but neither is floppy; there's some structure to it and I feel my two best cues are quite safe inside. I have another 3x5 case, made by Raven, and it is a great case, but more heavy & cumbersome by comparison. Truly a great option for those needing a 3x5, especially for a mere $119. Currently sold out, however.

https://jflowerscues.com/product/soft-case/


r/billiards • • 5h ago

Questions Etiquette regarding taking a break during a match

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Let's say you're playing a league or tournament match. When do you think is the proper time to take a break during a match? No more than 10 minutes for restroom, smoke, refreshment, etc.. I ask because i was informed that breaks should be taken when it's my break at the table . Reasoning is that taking a break during your opponents' win/break could be a way to interrupt their rhythm/stroke (Sharking, basically).

Edit: I need to rephrase. It's not about the amount of time taken. It's about the timing of taking the break. Lets say your opponent had won 4 games in a row, 2 break and runs in the mix. Is it considered Sharking to call for a short break when it's still their command of the table? (5 minutes max)


r/billiards • • 30m ago

Trick Shots Pool hall Junkies anyone?

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We just got a pool table and I love this movie. Showed the trick shot scene to my 10 year old and he sent me this taken on an ancient iPhone we let the kids use. ♥️


r/billiards • • 4h ago

8-Ball Are Mezz the best production wooden cues out there?

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My 1 year old $900 Pechauer cue is badly warped. I'm going to return it since it has a lifetime warrantee. Maybe I got unlucky with it. Looking for another one around the $800-$1500 range. How does Schon compare to Mezz?

I like my '80s Huebler that I bought from an old dude I know for $500. Actually it plays better than the Pechauer. It's almost perfectly straight but has a really tiny bend.


r/billiards • • 52m ago

Questions Shoulder tendonitis

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I'm 63, solid APA 4, been playing 5 years on 2 leagues (one a social doubles league, other is APA 8ball). I also practice 2 hours on a third day. I have pain lifting my stroke arm to do slmost anything at this point. MRI says no rotator tear. Doc says tendonitis. A shot cured it 6 months ago. Pain is back. I hit soft. But I do hit hard breaking. I otherwise have a desk job. Is it ridiculous to think billiards could be causing this? Anyone with experience ever had this other heard of it as a thing?


r/billiards • • 9h ago

New Player Questions In a seemingly major slump (1.5 years in, 1 year in leagues)...how do you guys deal with the mental game and choking late-game?

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Hey everyone,

I’ve been playing pool for about a year and a half total, but got serious (leagues, competitive matches, studying constantly) about a year ago. Up until a few months ago, I felt like I was on a steady upward trajectory.

Right now, though, I feel like I am in one of the worst slumps over my last few months of playing, and am struggling to figure out how to pull myself out of it. I’m hoping to get some advice from anyone who has been through this.

Here is what’s going on:

1) Because I’m playing more seriously, circumstance and coincidence keep matching me up against players who are more highly skilled than me, which completely trashes my mental game after I lose enough racks. It's gotten to the point where I automatically set myself up for failure and feel defeated before I even break. With that said, I also know that I can compete. Just a week ago in my BCA league match, I went 3-1 games against an opponent who felt very evenly matched with me. Which even furthers my belief in the point that maybe its just harder because when I shoot at bars on non league nights, Im just coincidentally shooting with people more skilled than me. Regardless, its just a very hard feeling at the end of the night.

2) Even when I'm playing well, potting balls cleanly, and stringing together a good run, I'll hit one bad shot late in the rack (especially on the 8-ball) and it completely unravels my game. For example, I recently played a session against a single player where I went 1-8 games, and almost every match comes down to the wire before I blow it at the very end.

3) Out of nowhere, this bizarre, self-defeating thought has started popping into my head during matches: "I love to lose." It’s become an awful subconscious mantra because I keep finding myself in winning positions only to throw them away. Despite all of the times I try countering it, it always seems to creep its way in. (Especially when I've had a few.) I've also been trying to read up some books and watch videos on the mental game, but it's really wearing me down and starting to affect how I view myself as a player. I come home from matches feeling completely defeated.

Is this just part of the standard experience when you transition from a casual to more intentional (but still amateur) player? How do you guys reset your mental state when you're caught in a loop of choking late-game, letting one bad shot ruin the whole night, and psyching yourself out against stronger players?

Any advice, reality checks, or mental tricks would be massively appreciated. Thanks, y'all.


r/billiards • • 22h ago

Straight Pool IT WAS MY ELBOW

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I learned pool back in college. Literally took Billiards 101 for credit. It's been more than a decade since college, but I joined my local apa back in May and fell for it. Fast forward to today and I'm on 3 teams and practice a few hours a week at my local pool hall. I've been figuring things out, getting loads of advice, watching videos, etc. I've been improving slowly but surely, but kept having things go wrong especially with aim.

Last night I tried to figure out what was going wrong. I got down and aimed at the cue ball and really thought about my body and what it was doing and what my cue was doing. And I realized my right elbow was flying out instead of being straight up and down and it was causing my cue to go all over the place. I started thinking about holding my elbow back and keeping my wrist close and holy shit did it fix things. I'm actually going to have to adjust my aim a bit because it's keeping things so much tighter.

I'm both thrilled and frustrated. No one told me to fix this. So many people have been helping and coaching me and no one told me to fix my elbow!!! I know that this fix is huge, but it's going to cause frustrations at first. Because of how I was shooting my ball was veering right more so now I have to adjust my aim. Oh well. I also realized that when I keep it tight, if I go down into position wrong, I don't have the freeness to fix my cue as easily. I gave to move my whole body a lot more. But dammit I'm going to get there.


r/billiards • • 18h ago

English Pool I just had my 1st competition, and it’s making me question my entire game

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I'm French. I’ve been playing blackball seriously for 8 months; I even bought a table so I could play every day and improve my skills quickly.

For the past few weeks, I’ve been able to execute solid breaks, I’ve mastered using spin, and I’m occasionally able to control the cue ball.

I considered my skill level to be pretty decent.

That said, I played in a competition today.

I was struck by how high the general standard of play is. I’d say at least 50% of the players are capable of clearing the table from start to finish. They have near-perfect control over the cue ball—its path and, most importantly, its positioning for the next shot.

I played against a guy who had beaten almost all the top French players; he beat me 4–1. He didn’t miss a single shot, his cue ball control was flawless, and he successfully executed almost every shot he attempted. For my part, I managed one table clearance, but I also made two aiming errors, which allowed him to step in and clear the table himself.

It was quite a shock to be confronted with this reality, but this moment of self-reflection will actually be good for me. I’m clearly not at the level I thought I was—I genuinely believed I could beat at least 60% of the amateur competitive players. The truth is quite different: I’m an intermediate player, nothing more. That said, I’m glad that the pressure didn’t get to me, and I managed to stay very clear-headed throughout.

Any thoughts, advice, or personal experiences to share?


r/billiards • • 18h ago

Questions What’s the protocol when you arrive at a billiards hall and it’s packed and all the tables are occupied?

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Do you ask the person behind the bar/register how long the wait is?

Do you just wait it out until a table finally opens up?

Does this depend on the location on how they handle a full house?

Cuz, i occasionally go to different spots near me but i do have a regular spot i go to now while I wait for the Billiards hall In my town to reopen.

I ask this because when I normally go shoot pool it’s usually dead or only a couple tables are taken and I can easily get a table as soon as I walk in.

But I’d like to go more frequently and the last couple times I’ve gone the tables were all taken so I just left and went back home or did something else.


r/billiards • • 16h ago

Questions Anybody have weird stroke habits?

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I started playing again after a very long break and I noticed something funny. I have two different strokes. When I feeling very relaxed and confident with a shot, my backswing is very long. This doesn’t include soft shots. Then when I have long pots or weird angles my backswing is a lot shorter and my pause is shorter. It’s like I’m not giving myself time to overthink it and I just hit the ball.

Anyone else got weird habits or bad ones? Just rly curious.


r/billiards • • 1d ago

Cue Identification Meucci gambler

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I thought that bought a hof 4 gambler a couple years back but been told it’s not a hof 4 gambler due to the dots above and below the cars and red diamonds in the points does anyone have any info on this cue? The guy I bought it from his dad was licensed muecci dealer for years so idk if it’s just something he picked over the years but he passed sway a few years back so I can’t ask him, I was trying to sell it on a Meucci sight and something said it wasn’t a gambler but a more rare with the dots and the red diamond. Even if it a fake id like to know Edited : I read the info I looked up wrong,it’s not all face cards but the Straight flush. Apparently the all face cards with joker is the rarer model. Thank you for the correction.


r/billiards • • 19h ago

Questions Stance adjustment for spin

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When you have to add spin to cue ball (right - left I mean) do you adjust the stance, to the left or to the right. Or step in just in the same manner you would hit center and the adjust the cue accordingly?


r/billiards • • 16h ago

8-Ball Used table?

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Anyone near north Alabama have any information on where to buy used pool tables other than from a private owner?


r/billiards • • 1d ago

Cue Identification Meucci 21st century

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Hi guys,

I stumbled across this Meucci on our local market place, and was wondering if anyone could shed some light on it?
It’s for sale for about 200 bucks, so I’m thinking of snapping it up just for the hell of it.
What do these typically go for, and is it real?


r/billiards • • 1d ago

Leagues Ambition achieved

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I don't really remember playoffs. I won my match, the team lost a close one that came down to the last shooter. I think. I don't remember who I played or shooting particularly well. It must have been pretty good though since it was the match that pushed me over the edge into a new skill level.

That's right you plebs are in the presence of true greatness. I am now the world's weakest APA 7. Didn't even get a patch or anything. I thought APA sent you something when you become a 7? I didn't even know until I was signing up for a doubles tournament at a spot I haven't played before and the director wanted to see my APA and Fargo ranking. He was looking at me pretty side eyed when my app said 7 after I told him I was a 6. Not sure he believed me that I have zero matches played as a 7.


r/billiards • • 1d ago

Drills Please help me understand how to make "easy" shots more consistently

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Just had a night of aweful pool in my pool league earlier this week. I was randomly missing short, simple 30 degree cut shots. I felt bad enough that I wanted to "go back to basics". I was always a causaul "play by feel from 20 years of experience" type player, around 400-450 Elo. I never learned what "proper stance" was, so I started Googling.

I am extremely left eye dominant (very bad vision in right eye), but I'm right handed. Google suggests that I "shift my head" so my left eye and my right foot line up with the cue and line of shot. I took my phone to a 1 hour practice session this afternoon for some recordings.

Questions for everyone:

  1. Can you guys take a look at my stance and tell me if I'm doing something wrong? There's a picture and a short video of me hitting a few balls, links below. PS, the video showed some of my "better" shots. The shooting session was around 30+ minutes, I started shooting really badly by frame 3. My phone stopped recording after a few min for some reason.
  2. I feel like I'm shooting worse today with my "more correct" stance suggested by Google compared to the natural way I normally shoot for the past 20 years. Should I abandon it, and play the "wrong" stance that I'm more comfortable with? Or should I just take the temporary loss and "fix my stance" that will make my current game even worse?
  3. Is there a trick to "not miss simple shots"? When I'm shooting badly, I'm super uncomfortable with anything that wasn't straight in, thinking "I might miss this one" no matter how easy they objectively are. This includes half-table length 30 or 45 degree cut shots into corner pockets. I want to avoid that type of bad streak in the future, what is the best way to get out of it?

Thanks everyone for the help.


r/billiards • • 18h ago

WWYD Never go table shopping!

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I’ve got an old Olio table we bought when the kids were young. It’s fine for messing around, but it’s showing its age and I’ve been thinking about new felt and bumpers. Looking around locally, it looks like that’s around $900 of work. But I made the mistake of going to one of the local stores here in Orlando and they had this beautiful Brunswick table (no idea what model it is), that was a floor model and they’d sell & install it with new felt for $2800. I almost went for it but not knowing what I was really looking at plus the fact we’re still having parties at the house for HS seniors I decided to walk away.