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Something I keep noticing on rereads is how often characters in ASOIAF aren't actually wrong about the problem in front of them. They're wrong about what the hell to do about it. And honestly I think that's a much more interesting kind of failure than someone simply being stupid or completely misreading the situation.
Cersei is probably the funniest example. She's not imagining that the Tyrells are becoming enormously powerful at court, that Margaery's popularity threatens her own position, or that the Lannisters are much weaker after Tywin's death than they were before. Those are real problems. Her response is to alienate basically every useful ally she has, surround herself with people she considers harmless because they're incompetent, and empower the Faith because she thinks she'll somehow be the one person they can't touch. Theon is similar in a completely different way. He understands that returning to Pyke as "Ned Stark's ward" has left him in this miserable position where neither the Starks nor the Ironborn fully see him as one of them. He genuinely does need to establish an identity and prove himself if he wants any standing among his family. So naturally he decides the solution is taking Winterfell with a tiny force, a castle he has basically no realistic way to hold. He sees the wound perfectly and then sticks a knife into it.
Tywin might be the version of this that fascinates me most, because he's so often treated as the ultimate pragmatist. He correctly understands that House Lannister needs fear, loyalty, competent heirs, and a stable political order to survive. Yet half the methods he uses to achieve those things actively destroy them. He humiliates Tyrion while desperately needing capable family members, terrorizes enemies so thoroughly that their hatred survives him, and treats his children like pieces on a board while expecting them to preserve the dynasty after he's gone. Even Robb falls into this pattern sometimes. He understands exactly how fragile his coalition is and how much his kingship depends on personal loyalty, then makes a deeply personal decision about Jeyne that creates a political disaster he absolutely knows he can't afford. That's what I love about these mistakes. They're rarely "character forgets obvious fact so plot can happen." The character usually sees at least part of the truth. Their pride, fear, guilt, trauma, or need to prove something takes over at the exact moment they have to choose a solution. In ASOIAF, recognizing the fire and deciding to put it out with wildfire feels almost like a recurring character type

"—someone needs to close them again." Jaime stood. "I am tired of having highborn women kicking pails of shit at me, Father. No one ever asked me if I wanted to be Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, but it seems I am. I have a duty—"

"You do." Lord Tywin rose as well. "A duty to House Lannister. You are the heir to Casterly Rock. That is where you should be. Tommen should accompany you, as your ward and squire. The Rock is where he'll learn to be a Lannister, and I want him away from his mother. I mean to find a new husband for Cersei. Oberyn Martell perhaps, once I convince Lord Tyrell that the match does not threaten Highgarden. And it is past time you were wed. The Tyrells are now insisting that Margaery be wed to Tommen, but if I were to offer you instead—"

"NO!" Jaime had heard all that he could stand. No, more than he could stand. He was sick of it, sick of lords and lies, sick of his father, his sister, sick of the whole bloody business. "No. No. No. No. No. How many times must I say no before you'll hear it? Oberyn Martell? The man's infamous, and not just for poisoning his sword. He has more bastards than Robert, and beds with boys as well. And if you think for one misbegotten moment that I would wed Joffrey's widow . . ."

- A Storm of Swords - Jaime VII

Tywin seriously thinks there’s a hope in hell the Tyrell’s would accept the consolation prize of Jaime when they control all the food, largest army and their lands have been untouched by the war.

He’s also doubling down on the Martell alliance by trying to wed Cersei to Oberyn as if it’s in anyway a real alliance. He seriously thinks the Martells are on team.

Respectfully look past his unorthodox methods and recognize him as a brilliant pioneer of modern medicine and empirical science in a medieval world governed by superstition. As Grand Maester, he replaces stagnant dogma with genuine anatomical research, saving gravely injured individuals like Gregor Clegane who would otherwise be left to die in agony. Far from acting out of malice, his willingness to question cruel societal taboos demonstrates a deep intellectual curiosity and an empathetic drive to push the boundaries of healing. In his private interactions, he is unfailingly soft-spoken, polite, and deeply respectful, treating everyone from high lords to broken outcasts with the same gentle dignity. Ultimately, his pragmatism and medical innovations offer Westeros a rare beacon of progress, proving that his so-called dark arts are simply misunderstood genius applied to the relentless alleviation of human suffering.

I don't know if there is a consensus in the fandom about whether or not Tyrion will meet Tysha again. I'm 50/50, it could happen but I feel that Tyrion's story can still work if he never sees her again. However, should they meet again I fully believe that Tysha won't look back on their time together as fondly as Tyrion does.

Look at the events from her perspective. Saved from assault & this noble-born dwarf treats you well & marries you within a day. A fortnight passes & your in-laws call you a whore & your husband believes their lies. Then you are gangr**ed before your husband finishes last then you are kicked out with a handful of coins. Would you really look back at those events with any fondness?

In my opinion were Tyrion to encounter Tysha she would despise him. Not only because of the man he is now but because of his actions that day. He believed his family's lies that she was a whore more than believing her feelings were genuine & then watched her get assaulted by who knows how many men before being the final participant. Tyrion does not come out of this looking good to Tysha.

If you could marry any Targaryen from any era in history, who would you marry?

I have a question about common folks aka peasants in Westeros during war times
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During war, what exactly are the peasants fighting for? At least the lords are fighting for honor, glory, vengeance, or to rise up in the station. Like victory in a battle can hopefully elevate a minor lord to a better societal position. But peasants? It not like their life will change once the war over? It will be the same as always. Yet they still followed their lord’s command and pick up their blades.

I get if they fought for someone like Ned Stark because life under the Stark isn’t bad and great. Their something admirable about the North loyalty to the Starks that their willing to put themselves in harm way for their… shall we say family drama.

But what about Tywin Lannister who likely wouldn’t consider their contribution meaningful?

Oh and speaking of peasants… I want to discuss Beric Dondarrion and his vigilante justice to “avenge” the small folks. I can see why the small folks would supports group like that but I wonder about some of it members. Like do they actually believed in Beric’s mission statement OR is it just a way for them to enact violence? Especially the members that are small folks…
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EDIT- can you seriously not edit the title? Oh well, House Russel it is.

I have always wondered about the story of the 79 sentinels that Bran tells to the Reeds.

To start with, I don’t think that GRRM ever “just makes it up”; he always uses names and numbers and metaphors that represent something to do with the character/location/etc and something cosmological/historical/mythological/literary (including Marvel comics)/ and even things from his own life/inside jokes to him and friends (usually some combination of these).

The 79 number always seemed so specific. I thought maybe a reference to 1979? But nothing obvious. I had a thought today though, and just wanted some opinions/thoughts:

1. We are told the 79 deserters from the Nightfort and one is the youngest son of Lord Ryswell:

*"There are ghosts here," Bran said. Hodor had heard all the stories before, but Jojen might not have. "Old ghosts, from before the Old King, even before Aegon the Dragon, seventy-nine deserters who went south to be outlaws. One was Lord Ryswell's youngest son, so when they reached the barrowlands they sought shelter at his castle, but Lord Ryswell took them captive and returned them to the Nightfort. The Lord Commander had holes hewn in the top of the Wall and he put the deserters in them and sealed them up alive in the ice. They have spears and horns and they all face north. The seventy-nine sentinels, they're called. They left their posts in life, so in death their watch goes on forever. Years later, when Lord Ryswell was old and dying, he had himself carried to the Nightfort so he could take the black and stand beside his son. He'd sent him back to the Wall for honor's sake, but he loved him still, so he came to share his watch."

- ASOS, Bran IV*

1. They are specifically then sealed in holes in the wall with horns and spears to keep whiter watch forever.

2. Lord Ryswell then has himself carried to the wall to reunite with his son.

3. Barbary Ryswell (Nee Ryswell) is jaded over being jilted by the Starks and insists on checking the crypts of Winterfell. She wants to stop Ned’s bones from returning to join his family.

4. Gonna be honest I’ve kind of petered out, but to cut it short I was wondering if Lord Ryswell’s youngest son could be symbolic of the younger brother in the twin brothers Mytheme that is repeated in the story (Green King/Grey King, Summer King/Winter King, Robert/Ned, Brandon/Ned, Robert/Stannis, Aegon IV/Aemond the Dragonknight, Baylor Breakspear/Maekar (The Hammer and The Anvil) who goes North but becomes the Night King (whatever that ultimately is) and heads back to winterfell but is then defeated by his brother (Stark King of Winterfell/Garth Greenhand type person) and the King Beyond the Wall and essentially dies but is kept alive/not at rest with his soul in the wall somehow (and his companions).

Could this in some way relate to the pact and whatever was set up around the magic system/weirwoods/old gods worship/ending of the long knight (which may not ulimtately be the best solution) and the magical weirwood sites/magical sites and the number of them that had to essentially by “plugged”/built over - like the fused stone over the base of the Hightower (like a plug on a volcano), all the weirwood magic sites/Children tree towns/hollow hills (Winterfell, Storms End, Highgarden, Horn Hill (any castle that was built around a Gods Wood initially) that had to have someone sacrificed to the tree/joined to the roots in some way to manage the system/stop the magic/dead from coming out?? — Could there have literally been 79 of these places (because there’s not enough castles on the wall - of which there are only 19, even with Queensgate).

I’m sure the story must also relate to the story of Bael the Bard and whatever is going on with Gilly’s Monster, with some father son / brother brother killing going on, probabaly over some magic weirwood/moon spirit girl or something, etc etc

What kings and queens or lords and ladies genuinely care for their peasants? I don’t mean basic courtesy and kindness a lord can give to their small folk. That they’ll protect them like an individual caring for one pet.

What I mean is a lord or a king treating the small folks as equals, as fellow human beings with the same rights and privileges as them. Like they’re gonna be concerned about the feelings and pain of their small folk when they go to war to protect their family or avenge their honor.

Currently reading A World of Ice and Fire right now and they mentioned again how Dorne and the North are similar in that they were never truly conquered by the dragons, and this got me thinking again of how I would feel if I was a Northman and my king kneeled to the conquerer.

Honestly I do believe my first reaction would probably be annoyed, but then considering how many people died at the hands of the dragons for resisting it was definitely a selfless move on behalf of Torrhen Stark. It must have took a lot of humility on his part and love for his people, and I wonder how the rest of the northmen felt about it too

Given everything we know, was it the right call? It's a question that comes up a few times of what to do with the children of defeated enemies. The worry is the kids will grow up and want revenge. And we know that's exactly what transpires with Viserys and Daenerys.

Curiously we don't actually know what Jon Arryn's rationale was to let them be. Robert's hatred of targs is no secret. And he's in a fairly fragile situation immediately post trident trying to establish a new monarchy.

I can't really figure out the upside of letting them be or the downside of finishing what Robert sent Stannis to do. I guess the one potential downside would've been Ned being mad. To what degree would he be angry? And for how long? We don't know.

Why didn't the Targaryens style themselves Kings before the Conquest?

I know this is a painfully pedantic question, but bear with me. Pedantry is a symptom of my love for this series.

There was a good hundred years between the Doom of Valyria and the Conquest, during which the Targaryens ruled Dragonstone and, as far as we know, paid fealty to no one.

But they never used the title 'King'. It's always 'Lord of Dragonstone'.

There have been Kings of the Arbor, Kings of Tarth, even Kings of the Stepstones and Kings of the Three Sisters. Anybody with an army and two hides of land could style themselves King. Why do you think the pre-Aegon Targs didn't?

My theory is that the title 'Lord of Dragonstone' we see used in Fire & Blood and TWOIAF is the loose translation of an old Valyrian military or political rank, think Westerosi 'Warden' or 'Castellan' or 'Marcher Lord'. Because that's what Dragonstone was at the time of Aenar's flight. A border outpost. And the early Targaryens preferred a title that tied them to their ancient homeland, rather than the foreign 'King', probably didn't hold as much prestige before the unification of the Seven Kingdoms, given the aforementioned load of Petty Kings scurrying about.

This question was spurred when I was rewatching the Dragon Time podcast, and they commented on a bit in HOTD when Rhaenyra spoke of a show-only, pre-Conquest "Princess Aeriana Targaryen", saying she wouldn't be a princess because they weren't Royalty back then.

Yes, I know this has been posted thousands of times, but the context here is quite different. I'm asking how things might play out if Ned had told Robert about Jaime and Cersei when he was on his deathbed.

Part 1: Yes, Robert would be pissed and he'd want Cersei and the rest of them dead. But he's also fatally wounded - so he can't exactly go and kill them himself. All he can do is command someone like Barristan or Renly to bring him their heads. My question is, could Ned, in this situation, prevail on either Robert or his executioners to stay their hand? Robert was going to die anyway and if they go around chopping heads because of his last command, they'd be the ones stuck dealing with the ensuing war.

So could Ned simply convince them to arrest Cersei and the kids and keep them on ice? That they need to give them a proper trial before any heads get chopped off?

Part 2: What about succession? Obviously Robert wouldn't want to die without making sure that whoever succeeds him would see his judgment through. Even if Cersei is killed that very night, Jaime still needs to be punished and he is currently at Casterly Rock. There is no way for even a raven to get to him before Robert dies.

So who does Robert leave this task to by naming his heir? Stannis - because he knows he'll see it through? Renly - because he likes him better and he's there? Or could he tell Ned to call a Great Council and leave it to them?

Part 3: What if Robert names Renly his heir and dies? Obviously Renly would waste no time in getting rid of Cersei and the kids. And I don't see Stannis simply bending the knee. Doesn't matter what Robert said on his death bed, the older brother comes before younger and the law is the law.

So who does Ned side with here? Does he respect Robert's will because that's the honorable thing? Or does he still support Stannis because that's the lawful thing?

And how do the Lannisters respond? I don't think Tywin has the luxury to sit back and see who wins in this case, because no matter who does, they'd be coming for Jaime's head. He needs to act fast and parley his support for a general amnesty - but which side does he choose?

Stannis is much more stubborn and a lot less forgiving - he might need Jaime to be sent to the Wall at least. But at the same time, Stannis would likely need Tywin's army more, so they could settle on a convenient arrangement - Renly usurped the crown and killed his nephews. The incest story is a lie, but now that the princes are dead, Stannis is the legitimate king and Tywin is throwing his support behind him to get justice for his daughter and grandchildren.

Renly, on the other hand, could be a lot more amenable. He might even release Jaime from his kingsguard vows as "punishment" and let him go back to being Tywin's heir. But I can't imagine anything more humiliating for Tywin than bending the knee to the guy who killed his daughter and grandchildren. That would certainly make him a laughingstock of the kingdom.

So what does he choose?

Something I started noticing on a reread is how little privacy most important characters actually have.

They live in enormous castles, but those castles are full of servants, guards, squires, maesters, stewards, cooks, washerwomen, children, visiting knights and random household retainers who are constantly moving through the same rooms.

A lord can close a door, obviously, but even then somebody probably lit the fire, poured the wine, changed the bedding, carried the message that summoned the person he's meeting, or watched them walk down the corridor.

Even written communication isn't particularly private. Ravens generally mean involving a maester. Letters can be intercepted. Messengers can be questioned. And if you're in the Red Keep, there may literally be somebody inside the wall.

It makes some of the characters' paranoia feel a lot more reasonable to me.

We as readers get private POV access, so it is easy to imagine everybody else operating with roughly the same clean separation of public and private information. But from inside the world, information must exist in this weird fog. You don't know who actually knows something. You know who you TOLD. You know who was standing nearby. You know which servant brought the wine. After that, good luck.

And this also explains why seemingly trivial household positions can matter so much. A cupbearer isn't just carrying cups. A lady's maid isn't just helping someone dress. A squire, steward or servant can quietly learn who is meeting whom, who received a letter, who slept badly, who is suddenly packing, who stopped eating, who is angry after leaving a room.

Varys builds an intelligence network out of something castles already produce naturally: thousands of tiny observations.

It also makes me wonder which character is actually BEST at creating privacy for themselves.

Littlefinger is careful with information, but he operates in places full of people. Varys benefits from the opposite problem. Tywin often seems to create privacy through intimidation rather than physical secrecy. Doran might be unusually good at controlling who sees what because so much of his court mistakes inactivity for ignorance.

Who do you think is genuinely best at keeping a secret in Westeros — not because nobody discovers the truth by luck, but because they actually understand how information leaks?

It’s funny how in George version of love stories: their alway this idea of the couple sneaking off to wed OR if not, the women are able to chose their spouse. Like take the story for Jaehaerys and Alysane for example. Sure there was the factor of Westeros, particularly the Faith, being against incest marriage at the time. But they’re something romantic about a man and a woman (brother and sister) defying society and “certain plans” to run off and get married. That one for the storybook.

Also their grandchildren (or great-granchildren) like Daemon and Rhaenrya. After their previous spouses died, both of them secretly wed even though the two should had waited until the mourning period was over. Okay that was selfish but it could also be seen as romantic.

Their also times when women can chose their spouse like Rhaenys with Corlys Velaryon Or when their already so close that it make sense to match them aka Baelon and Alyssa..

And one last thing.. those Targaryen romances had those supernatural elements to them.

- the dragon riding girl who was able to bring the wandering seaman home and get him to settle and start a family (Rhaenys and Corlys Velaryon)

- A messenger (and prince) fly North to seek an alliance and risked breaking his bethoral because he met and fell for a bastard girl (Jacaerys and Sara Snow)

- the brother who became the most devoted knight of the land who loved his sister who was married to their hated older brother. (Aemon & Naerys)

- Whether one believed it or not, the black bastard prince starting a war because he was angry that he couldn’t marry his childhood friend and half-sister? And that he still loved or desired her after all these years even with seven children? (Daemon Blackfyre and Daenerys)

- A young prince giving up all claims to the throne because he refuse to divorce the common-based girl he wed in secret (Duncan and Jenny of Oldstones)

- whoever the wolf maid true love was or if she had one (okay personally for me, it Rhaegar) a war started because that dragon prince lost his mind. (Okay, it was bad but the singers would see it as a love song. Like two people, who can’t be together, because they’re promised to other people, fall in love!?)

Well the thing is that most of these stories have romantic elements to them that singers loved and twisted to suit their songs. It doesn’t matter what the truth is or what really happened.. it the idea of romance that catches people eye.

Oh probably would be stories and songs about the last dragon princess falling in love the barbarian lord ( Daenerys and Khal Drogo). That how the story gonna be twisted.

Thought this would be a pretty interesting question to ask. We quite often talk about how some characters have the capacity to be unreliable narrators at times because of their arrogance like Tyrion, their foolishness like Cersei and Victarion or their naivety like Daenerys. Yet not as often we compliment those whose internal monologue and train of thought we can most often trust to relay to us accurate information about what is actually happening in their chapters. So I ask: In your opinion, who is the most consistently reliable and trustworthy narrator or which characters would you argue are in the running for it? Whose internal monologues do you trust the most?

I dunno if I worded that right or not.

But for example, Jaime became a POV in ASOS. Stuff like going to Winterfell and the Battle of the Whispering Wood could have been cool to read from his POV.

Or Barristan during the events of AGOT.

That being that the Others DO have a leader. I mean they possibly don't but we don't know that for sure and I thought what if their leader is... The Bloodstone Emperor

The way I see it he's kinda got turned into a giant, sentient, corrupted Weirwood Tree. Essentially you know how Bloodraven has been merging with the tree from being there so long? This is the the same thing except over millennia the Bloodstone Emperor is no longer merged with the tree he IS the tree

Yeah I know this is very fanficy but also I don't know it's cool to think about

Excluding prologues and potential epilogues, openings and endings have great importance. I think the first will either be Arianne, to establish Aegon even further. Or Sansa, as a kind of apology for not having her in Dance. I think the last chapter will be Arya confronting Stoneheart.

After looking through some videos and a couple of discussions on this topic, I realized that many people seem to lean towards Margarey's innocence, and I even saw one person try to convince others that Loras is actually the dangerous one.

Personally, I think Pseudo-Genuine is the most likely, as I feel like Olenna would be the type of player who would be very stingy with the cards that they reveal, even to the people she's meant to be closest to.

Are the islands canon? I see them on some maps but not on others. Have they ever been published in official material?

Doesn't seem like anyone's ever named them either way, even fan names. What do you think happens here? They are definitely not just rocks, as they are the same size as the islands of the Three Sisters. But they do look like places the Ironborn would have liked to use as staging posts for raids into the north, so I imagine they have long been abandoned.

Anyone else ever given them much though lol?