r/WingChun • • 10m ago

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Why all of that ???? Instead Find a mate that are a good boxer and spare with him ,,this is not Wing tsun ,.and according me snt and CHM kui forms should not be there ,it just extended it , special when you are done with dummy form and see that everything are already there ,.just traditional extension for pick up right student way was it., people that will say against this are low level degree practitioners that have no idea what it's about.hope you got understand my broken English


r/WingChun • • 52m ago

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OK, I'll play.

Please explain.


r/WingChun • • 1h ago

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Average delusional Wing Chun cultist behaviour. šŸ˜† You proved perfectly just how correct and accurate the original comment was. :D Truly fascinating.


r/WingChun • • 2h ago

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"Like you and everyone other Wing Chun people. I fell victim of it too, so there's hope for everyone to get out of it."

LoL.

That's how people that are in a cult speak.

I was a sinner, repent and you will be saved.

You are all lead astray as I was but I found the true light.

You didn't leave a cult, you just traded for a different one.


r/WingChun • • 4h ago

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"No. Beliefs are not what makes a cult. Patterns of behaviour are."

It's both. Google what makes a cult a cult and read it. Textbook Wing Chun example.

"And no, Wing Chun people don't by and large go around telling people that other martial arts don't work."

They don't say other arts don't work, they say Wing Chun is the best.

"But as I said in my first reply, this is quite typical pattern of behavior from people who are susceptible to falling into cults."

Like you and everyone other Wing Chun people. I fell victim of it too, so there's hope for everyone to get out of it.


r/WingChun • • 4h ago

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No. Beliefs are not what makes a cult. Patterns of behaviour are.

And no, Wing Chun people don't by and large go around telling people that other martial arts don't work.

But as I said in my first reply, this is quite typical pattern of behavior from people who are susceptible to falling into cults.


r/WingChun • • 5h ago

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"That's not what makes a cult."

It is, tho.

"On the other hand, the need to go around proselytising, against a specific target, in a them vs us context, is cult behavior."

That's also what Wing Chun's doing, but I didn't wanna mention that.


r/WingChun • • 5h ago

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That's not what makes a cult.

On the other hand, the need to go around proselytising, against a specific target, in a them vs us context, is cult behavior.


r/WingChun • • 7h ago

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This is absolutely incorrect. Sum Nung Wing Chun that comes from Yuen Kay San has pole and knives as well. Used to have darts, but they died with Sum Nung.

It's not incorrect, I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I'm not saying that other Wing Chun lineages don't have knives, I'm saying that they don't have the "Baat Jaam Do." The Baat Jaam Do is a specific name given to the double knives form in Yip Man lineages. The form itself also seems to be created by Yip Man.

AFAIK, Sum Nung Wing Chun doesn't have a baat jaam do form, though I'm always open to being corrected on that.


r/WingChun • • 8h ago

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"Not sure if this is true as the Baat Jaam Do form was likely created by Yip man (there is no Baat Jaam Do in non YM lineages), and Wing Chun precedes him."

This is absolutely incorrect. Sum Nung Wing Chun that comes from Yuen Kay San has pole and knives as well. Used to have darts, but they died with Sum Nung.


r/WingChun • • 10h ago

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Try to find books specific to your lineage. Forms vary from clan to clan, footwork can be differen, pivoing, terminology....


r/WingChun • • 14h ago

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I wonder what fundamentals you learned that weren’t able to articulate into fighting/sparring.

I was taught principles and forms separately never in a combat-ready format but they all came together to provide discipline, exercise, meditation, and power


r/WingChun • • 14h ago

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Just joining and chiming in. I agree that Wing Chun progress is boring (slow unless sped up but still takes years), and it is also a painful journey until it stops hurting (also years).


r/WingChun • • 15h ago

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I agree. But what do you mean with lack of defence, Counter blocking distance etc. Every form has something for that


r/WingChun • • 15h ago

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at the place I train at if anyone refers to sparring they mean chi sau


r/WingChun • • 15h ago

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Thank you! I will look them up. šŸ‘Œ


r/WingChun • • 15h ago

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Just look up Guangzhou Wing Chun….i’ve retired from martial arts for quite a few years now so haven’t kept up with the latest videos and such, but a few videos did come up on my FB feed randomly weeks ago from a Wing Chun competition in China. I think they had this competition recently? I recall in the video the stadium banner in the background had the 2026 year on it, so must be recent.

Or look up Yuen Kay Shan / Sum Nung lineages.


r/WingChun • • 16h ago

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Ah o.k thank you


r/WingChun • • 16h ago

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"Funny how you mention Baiji, Xingyi, and other internal styles, and think Wing Chun doesn’t have the same…."

IMO. it doesn't have the same. Look at how Baji punches, look at how Bagua moves. Baji Quan is often called chinese boxing, it punches very similarly to Boxing and it's indeed a proven to be effective style.

"Again, poor/watered down teaching…"

I dunno. I'm not saying I had the best teacher, because surely not. But I've tested this many times with different Wing Chun people from different lineages and it always turned out, that I didn't had bad schooling.

"A lot of it boils down to lineage…Yuen Kay Shan/Sum Nung lineages especially in China have a reputation in China for having the same power generation as these internal styles you’ve literally just mentioned. When you go visit say Guangzhou, and you take Wing Chun there, they actually talk about Wing Chun being an internal style, and the techniques taught are very similar. Practically every drill, exercise…even down to how you execute the basic forms focus on developing this. If you look up videos of Guangzhou wing Chun, even from people executing forms, you could see a vast difference in the way they are executed. Most WC I see in NA looks stiff and lack power/explosiveness because of it."

Ngl., I'm only familiar with Lo Man Kam, Emin Boztepe, Leung Ting and William Cheung. This Guangzhou looks quite different compared to these in some aspects, but the footwork is still pretty similar, the punches usually are similar, although in a form I saw them pretty Xing Yi-like straight punches with hip rotation. That's definitely a good punch right there, but the bad footwork and wide open head are still issues. While there are sooooo many different Wing Chun lineages, I think they're all 90% the same with minor differences.

"So I can see how you would come to the conclusion you have made; until I got exposed to this lineage, I always thought Wing Chun was what you’ve described as that was what was prevalent and being taught, especially in North America."

I'm from Europe, btw. I have experience with the lineages I mentioned above. Which lineage are you training in?

"Again, it just seems like you haven’t been taught properly or have just been exposed to watered down teachings. This discussion proves you have a limited version of what Wing Chun encompasses. It’s much broader than what you’ve been exposed to."

It's genuinely interesting, can you like show me some through videos or something? So I can see what you're doing and see the differences for myself? I'm genuinely curious.


r/WingChun • • 16h ago

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If you're at the Biu Tze/Bil Gee level, aren't elbows part and parcel of the chi sau?


r/WingChun • • 16h ago

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Funny how you mention Baiji, Xingyi, and other internal styles, and think Wing Chun doesn’t have the same….

Again, poor/watered down teaching…

A lot of it boils down to lineage…Yuen Kay Shan/Sum Nung lineages especially in China have a reputation in China for having the same power generation as these internal styles you’ve literally just mentioned. When you go visit say Guangzhou, and you take Wing Chun there, they actually talk about Wing Chun being an internal style, and the techniques taught are very similar. Practically every drill, exercise…even down to how you execute the basic forms focus on developing this. If you look up videos of Guangzhou wing Chun, even from people executing forms, you could see a vast difference in the way they are executed. Most WC I see in NA looks stiff and lack power/explosiveness because of it.

So I can see how you would come to the conclusion you have made; until I got exposed to this lineage, I always thought Wing Chun was what you’ve described as that was what was prevalent and being taught, especially in North America.

Again, it just seems like you haven’t been taught properly or have just been exposed to watered down teachings. This discussion proves you have a limited version of what Wing Chun encompasses. It’s much broader than what you’ve been exposed to.


r/WingChun • • 17h ago

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David Blackley

The Complete Science of Wing Chun: Maximising Potential Through Training, Strategies, and Practical Application.


r/WingChun • • 18h ago

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"lol, this proves you weren’t taught properly."

It's really not. Again, I've had this conversation before a long time ago, multiple times even, and it always turns out, that I had just about average level of schooling.

"There absolutely are things that improves a woman’s ability to defend themselves."

Doing literally anything is an improvement over doing nothing. This is not an argument. A woman is at a huge disadvantage against a man every time. The difference is that she has a greater chance of survival if she trains Boxing and/or Wrestling. It's still very iffy and a horrible situation, but knowing how to punch and how to grapple will always improve her chances, even if it's just by a bit.

"why do I get the feeling you think (or better yet, were taught) it’s supposed to go down like a choreographed movie scene, if one was to use Wing Chun?"

No, I know how versatile a self defense situation can be. That's why I know for self defense situations you don't need more, than basic Boxing and basic Wrestling knowledge, because all you need 99% of the time is to be fast, be accurate and have knock out power and then the explosiveness and stamina to run away. There's nothing in Wing Chun, that gives you this, it's footwork is bad, the punches are short and weak and usually the training aren't hardcore enough to really turning you into a monster with insane stamina and power.

"That’s not what I’m talking about here…there are absolutely techniques taught that allow anyone to better protect themselves against an attacker, such as power generation"

Which you can learn the best at Boxing and Wrestling. Or even at Baji Quan, Xing Yi, Bagua Zhang or anything else. Wing Chun's power generation is poor.

"i know for a fact that having trained Wing Chun, I can throw a harder more piercing palm strike or elbow in tight quarters than prior to having trained Wing Chun."

That's perfectly true and fine. The issue is, that that palm strike is still nothing to a Boxing cross or hook or uppercut. It's way weaker, way shorter, your head is wide open, so if your attacker swings at you at the same time, you can get knocked out. It's not about Wing Chun doesn't giving anything to you, because of course it does. It's just not enough, at least way inferior to the level of skills you can get at Boxing or Baji Quan.

"This is the stuff that can be potentially life saving; again, I’m not talking about that ā€œif your attacker does this, then you do thisā€ stuff….and women get to achieve this without having to take up (like you suggested) wrestling, which I still don’t see the benefit in a self defence scenario where there’s a size mismatch (like what are you going to do? Pin the person down and keep laying on top of them hoping help arrives?), which can also alter their physique (as vain as this is, it’s important for many women)."

This stuff could be potentially life saving if there are effective enough. Noone questions the power of a Boxing hook, everyone knows it puts people to sleep. And noone questions Wing Chun's power, because everyone knows it's weak and it doesn't have the stopping power. And if a woman doesn't learn Wrestling and someone grabs them, then what does she do? Do you think Wing Chun has an answer to that? Because it doesn't. But Wrestling has. Or if someone swings at a woman do you think Wing Chun has a reliable answer to that? No. But Boxing has. If the woman feels threatened and decides to strike first, can Wing Chun help with that with its short and weak punches? No. But Boxing can help with that. An absolutely unexpected left hook will stun even a bigger man for 1 second, which is enough for the woman to after the punch immediately turn around and run away.

"Street fights are now self defence situations? The stuff blasted on YouTube? I would say 100% of those situations are avoidable."

That's literally not the point if they're avoidable or not. The point is, that Boxing and Wrestling works on the street in self defense situations, which you can't say for Wing Chun.

"The fact you think self defence situations are about defending against guys throwing haymakers proves the false pretense of what you were sold for 10 years."

That's just one situation, that absolutely can happen and we saw it millions of times happening and everyone, who wants to learn how to defend themselves has to learn how to protect themselves against swings. So no, I wasn't taught poorly, to be honest. Self defense situations can vary a lot. But in general all you need is good footwork to be able to create space between you and your attacker and quick, strong K.O. punches, so you're able to finish your attacker off as fast as possible.

"So if by ā€œsituations where you would have to defend yourself), you mean guys being jerks and A-holes"

That's kinda the point. If someone attacks you, they're jerk buttholes. There's no other way of putting it. People, who are healthy in the head aren't out there trying to rob someone or kidnap them and steal their livers. So yes, obviously in a self defense scenario, your opponent will be a jerk, who tries to harm you in some way. They have 1000s of ways to harm you, but all you need 99% of the time is some basic Boxing and Wrestling skills to put them down.

"This shows either A) you had a bad teacher (not average) or B) you were a poor student…"

I proved, that the A point isn't the case. As for B point, there are bad Boxers outside, yet noone says Boxing doesn't work. Even those, who suck at Boxing know it's good, it's just them, who suck. So even if that's the case, that I suck (I don't think so, tbh.), that's not why I'm saying, that Wing Chun isn't a great option for self defense.


r/WingChun • • 18h ago

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lol, this proves you weren’t taught properly.

There absolutely are things that improves a woman’s ability to defend themselves. You clearly have not been taught properly….why do I get the feeling you think (or better yet, were taught) it’s supposed to go down like a choreographed movie scene, if one was to use Wing Chun? That’s not what I’m talking about here…there are absolutely techniques taught that allow anyone to better protect themselves against an attacker, such as power generation….i know for a fact that having trained Wing Chun, I can throw a harder more piercing palm strike or elbow in tight quarters than prior to having trained Wing Chun. It’s no different than a boxer being able to say that they can throw a better jab after having been trained in boxing compared to before training….This is the stuff that can be potentially life saving; again, I’m not talking about that ā€œif your attacker does this, then you do thisā€ stuff….and women get to achieve this without having to take up (like you suggested) wrestling, which I still don’t see the benefit in a self defence scenario where there’s a size mismatch (like what are you going to do? Pin the person down and keep laying on top of them hoping help arrives?), which can also alter their physique (as vain as this is, it’s important for many women).

Street fights are now self defence situations? The stuff blasted on YouTube? I would say 100% of those situations are avoidable. The fact you think self defence situations are about defending against guys throwing haymakers proves the false pretense of what you were sold for 10 years. Again, I’m sorry for that. Like I said, when 2 guys get to square each other up, it’s not self defence, it’s ego (both sides)….and every single video I’ve seen over the years show ample time and space to properly de-escalate well before it even becomes a physical altercation….sometimes even hours before the actual altercation…,but people’s ego, including the defender’s, get in the way…

So if by ā€œsituations where you would have to defend yourself), you mean guys being jerks and A-holes, or a means of enabling guys to uphold their own egos, then it’s getting clearer and clearer as to why you have developed this notion that Wing Chun practitioners are less humble than wrestlers or boxers…it really does show the circle of people and environment you’ve associated with in your school, and again, I’m sorry for that.

This shows either A) you had a bad teacher (not average) or B) you were a poor student…


r/WingChun • • 20h ago

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I think what he’s saying that if you’re forced to use your hands (only), you’ve dropped your weapon. WC is primarily a weapons based system, assuming that you’ll have at least one blade in your hand if not two.