r/Wildfire • • Apr 25 '21

Should you die on the job

334 Upvotes

Hey guys, have one of those uncomfortable type of questions. It’s been a while since I’ve filled out a beneficiary form and now that I have a kid coming into the world, it’s time to change my death wishes. A google search provided me the recognition of the Beneficiary Form for unpaid benefits (SF 1152), in which you designate a percentage of your unpaid benefits to your loved ones/“beneficiaries”. Now here’s my questions:

1) How much will a beneficiary actually receive if allotted say 100% of my unpaid benefits? What and how much $ are my unpaid benefits?

2) I remember at some point, writing down a description of how I would like my funeral procession to proceed, and filling that out along with the aforementioned form, but I can’t find that one. Anybody recollect the name of that form or have a form # they can provide me?

Thanks everybody


r/Wildfire • • Apr 27 '22

**How to Get a Job as a Wildland Firefighter*

473 Upvotes

How to apply for a Fed Job (USFS, BLM, BIA, FWS) - Revised 07/29/2023

  • Apply to jobs in Sept.-Feb. on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
    • Use filters in the sidebar, set grade to "GS3 and GS4". Under the "more filters" tab you can toggle "Seasonal, Summer, Temporary, and Full Time"
    • Be sure to read each job description to make sure it is for fire. There are other jobs that fall under "Forestry Aide/ Tech." that do not involve wildland fire.
    • Applications for Federal Jobs are only accepted during a narrow (2 week long) window nowadays. You can find out when this window is by calling prospective employers or checking USAJobs weekly.
  • Build a profile on USAjobs and create a resume. Kind of a pain in the ass, but it's just a hurdle to screen out the unmotivated. Just sit down and do it.
    • In your resume, be sure to include hours worked and contact info for references along with permission to contact said references.
  • Call around to various districts/forests/parks you're interested in working for. Do this between early October and February. The earlier in that time period, the better.
    • Hiring officials keep track of who called, when, and how good they sounded. Just call the front desk and ask for whoever does the hiring for "fire."
    • Have a few lines rehearsed about why you want the job and why you're worth hiring. Leave a voicemail if the person is out of the office. Ask questions about what firefighting resources they have (handcrew, engine, lookouts, helicopter, etc, basically what job they can even offer you), when to apply, how to apply, IF they are even hiring...
  • You can leave a message and Fire Managers will usually call you back. Applying online is basically only a formality. Talking to or physically visiting potential employers is the only way to go. People drive out from NY and Maine to talk to crew bosses out West all the time and are usually rewarded with a job for doing so.
  • Have a resume ready to email or hand-in, and offer to do so.
  • It helps to keep a spreadsheet or some notes of all the places you've called, who you talked to, what firefighting resources they have, the deadline for hiring, and generally how the convo went.
  • Apply to 15+ positions. It's hard to get your foot in the door, but totally do-able.
  • If they sound excited and interested in YOU, then you'll probably get an offer if all your paperwork goes through.
  • Unlike the many lines of work, Wildland Firefighting resumes can be 10+ pages long. The longer and more detailed the better. List the sports you've played, whether you hunt or workout, and go into detail about your middle school lawn mowing business - seriously. You are applying to a manual labor job, emphasizing relevant experience.
  • Also have a short resume for emailing. Don't email your ungodly long USAjobs resume.
  • You wont get an offer if you haven't talked to anyone.
    • If you do get an offer from someone you haven't talked to, its usually a red-flag (hard to fill location for a reason). Ex. Winnemucca, NV
  • Start working out. Expect high school sports levels of group working out starting the 1st day of work (running a few miles, push ups, pull ups, crunches, etc).
  • The pack test, the 3miles w/ 45lbs in 45 mins, is a joke. Don't worry about that, only horrifically out of shape people fail it.

- Alternatives to Fed Jobs - Revised 07/29/2023

  • There are also contractors, such as Greyback and Pat-Rick, mostly based in Oregon, with secondary bases around the west. Not as good of a deal, because it's usually on-call work, the pay is lower, and it's a tougher crowd, but a perfectly fine entry-level position. If you can hack it with them, you can do the job just fine.
  • Also look into various state dept. of natural resources/forestry. Anywhere there are wildfires, the state and counties have firefighter jobs, not as many as the Feds, but definitely some jobs. I just don't know much about those.
  • You could also just go to jail in California and get on a convict crew...
  • I wouldn't bother applying to easy-to-Google programs (e.g. Great Northern or North Star crews in MT and AK respectively), as the competition for the 1/2 dozen entry-level jobs is way too intense. A remote district in a po-dunk town is your best bet for getting your foot in the door if you're applying remotely. I started in such a place in the desert of southern Idaho and then moved onto a much nicer setting, up in Montana.
  • Also look into the Nature Conservancy, they have fire crews, as do the California/Montana/Arizona/Minnesota Conservation Corps, and the various USDL Job Corps programs that are run by the Forest Service.

- QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED

Surprisingly few.

  • 18+ years old
  • GED or high school grad
  • relatively clean criminal record (you can have a felony/DUI, etc).
  • A driver's license is required by the Feds, even if you have a DUI, you still need a valid DL
  • A pre-work drug screening is a possibility. The Department of Interior (Park Service & BLM) always drug tests. The Forest Service usually doesn't, but certainly can. Wildland Firefighters are a conservative bunch and open drug use is generally not tolerated. It's a good idea to be able to piss clean and not talk about past drug use.
  • A degree helps, but is by no means necessary.
  • You do have to have some sort of desirable skill or quality though. I mean, if you're just uneducated, unskilled, and out of shape, it's not gonna work out for you even if you do get hired. An EMT certification, even w/o experience, is probably the best "sure bet" for getting a job as a wildland firefighter, but landscaping/manual labor experience, military time, some education, even just being in really good shape and/or having a lot of sports team experience are all good enough

- FAQs

For federal jobs**, if you haven't applied by the end of February, you are probably too late, sometimes there are late postings, but your chances greatly decrease at finding a job.**

  • Hotshot crews and smokejumping are not for rookies. Don't waste their time or your breath by calling
  • .You CAN apply if you have ZERO EXPERIENCE and still have a decent chance at getting a job
  • You DO NOT need EMT, while it is somewhat beneficial, it is by no means needed to get your first fire job
  • Calfire does not hire people with zero experience and zero qualifications.

/TLDR

  • Apply to jobs in Sept-Feb on https://www.usajobs.gov . Search for things such as “forestry aid, fire, and 0462.”
  • Make long resume
  • Apply to multiple locations
  • Call the locations
  • Get in better shape

Thanks to u/RogerfuRabit for the previous post on how to get a job in WF.


r/Wildfire • • 16h ago

Mexican Student invented an Ultrasonic fire Extinguisher and won a golden medal in Indonesia

77 Upvotes

Who is ready to carry the JBLs in?


r/Wildfire • • 7h ago

Fire Fighters Struggle to Extinguish Forest Fires in Indonesia While Lacking Equipment & Personnel

14 Upvotes

r/Wildfire • • 14h ago

When did you know it was time to leave fire?

28 Upvotes

I’ve been dealing with the sinking feeling that this was probably my last season for the past few months. How did you know it was time to stop? What did you do next?


r/Wildfire • • 4h ago

News (General) all summer long baybeeeee

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r/Wildfire • • 59m ago

Question SEEKING ADVICE: applying wildland firefighter at 39 years old

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Hi y'all. I am seeking advice on starting a career in wildland firefighting at the young age of 39 years old. Comments and DMs would be greatly appreciated. Here is my situation.

[BACKGROUND] I have been working in another field (climate emergency campaigning) for the last 15 years and plan on changing careers. I intend on applying to be a wildland firefighter in Quebec, Canada where I live when they start taking applications in December. A lab mate of mine at Concordia University, where I am currently finishing a Master's in geography, suggested the idea of wildland firefighting as a career and I've come around to it. Her and her husband were wildland firefighters, and she seemed convinced after knowing me for a while that I would love the job. I have since then read a couple of books and many articles on wildland fires and firefighting, watched a good amount of youtube videos, and it has become my top career choice for after I graduate.

[MY FITNESS LEVEL] That said, I will be 40 years old in a few months and though I am more fit than the average person my age, and currently doing a training programme to prep for doing the WFX-Fit test and build as much strength and endurance as I can, I am concerned that the demanding physical nature of the work might take serious toll on my body, possibly preventing me from doing multiple seasons in the field. I know there are many older individuals doing the job, but I've only been able to find testimonies about the realities the job imposes on your body as an older individual from people who have been doing the job for years and I assume they have built solid strength and stamina on the job over that time. I've been mostly behind a desk the last decade and have only been running and going to the gym sporadically over that period, though for the last year I've been going pretty consistently with a focus on functional training and strength. From the little research I have done, and after consulting my physiotherapist, multiple seasons at my current fitness level should be doable with proper prep and a heavy focus on recovery.

[RECRUITMENT PROCESS] Furthermore, I heard in an interview with a senior rep from SOPFEU, the wildland firefighting agency here in Quebec, and he said the application process is competitive with I believe he said only something like 60 new candidates get recruited out of a pool of about 250 new candidates. Regardless of the accuracy of those numbers, I am assuming it is a competitive process for new candidates.

What can I do the increase my chances of getting recruited? They say a degree in geography or other fields related to the job is a requirement in case you are not coming with experience and I will be done my geography master's by the time the 2027 season starts so that should help. I speak three languages and perfectly bilingual in English and French. What else could I put forward to increase my chances? Is experience with QGIS looked for? Leadership experiences?

If you got this far, thank you for taking the time to read. Looking to hearing your thoughts.


r/Wildfire • • 13h ago

Wildland fire applicant

6 Upvotes

Hey guys,

I’m currently transitioning out of the Army and want to try out a season doing wildland fire work. Is there any other vets, or I guess any wildland firefighters in general that can answer some questions for me about getting on a crew.


r/Wildfire • • 12h ago

Crew Lead Job in NC

3 Upvotes

https://jobs.smartrecruiters.com/TheEmberAlliance/744000157229091-2027-uwharrie-prescribed-fire-fuels-module-lead

Hourly wage isn’t the best, but retirement and health insurance benefits are top notch.

The org itself is a really solid place to work. Good people doing good work for the right reasons.

FFT1/FAL2 is the minimum requirement.

The position is high autonomy, a solid opportunity for real leadership skill development. You’d be in charge, determining work assignments and priorities.

If the gov fire suppression status quo is losing it’s appeal, but you still want to pull cord and put fire on the ground, this is worth considering.


r/Wildfire • • 18h ago

Early lay offs?

9 Upvotes

Has anyone heard any rumors about early layoffs?

With it being PL1 nationally and all the weather we are getting out west seems like a smart financial decision for the agencies.


r/Wildfire • • 10h ago

Winter seasonal forestry job

1 Upvotes

Looking for someone to help me out with some data collection this winter taking tree measurements in western Washington. We’ll likely have work through the end of December at least, but if the winter is mild there’s potential to work all winter. $22/hr, housing provided, overtime encouraged. Must have a degree in forestry and be capable of working in wet cold conditions. DM me for more details.


r/Wildfire • • 18h ago

thoughts about Ventura County?

2 Upvotes

thinking of jumping ship from FS, anyone got any insight to how this crew works? Applying to their fire control worker position.
Wondering about their work schedules, culture, and anything else anyone might have some thoughts on.


r/Wildfire • • 19h ago

Advice applying for WA DNR

4 Upvotes

Hey everyone, I am going to be applying to work on a seasonal engine crew for WA DNR as soon as apps open and I plan on applying to as many slots as I reasonably can. I have one year of wildland expierence working for a private company on a fireline ambulance and also have experience volunteering with a dept that does wildland, structural and WUI. I have expierence operating everything from UTVs on the med side up to tenders on the fire side, including pumping and draft ops. I've been state mobilized on type 5 brush trucks with my dept but mostly structural protection, besides our local grass/wildland fires. The majority of my experience isn't working on dedicated seasonal crews. I do have my EMT in 4 states including WA, my red card and am FFT2 qualified, my last pack test was a 39:59. I am a woman so I am trying to hammer PT to become physically competitive. What should I be focusing on to make myself more competitive? Is my background going to make me competitive? Is it better to apply to as many crews as possible or spend my energy on a few? Any and all advice is appreciated, I am trying to work a full season and potentially delay my next fall semester of college for this as I am looking at making this a career.


r/Wildfire • • 19h ago

Waiting for drug and fingerprints

2 Upvotes

Hi guys I accepted a verbal offer a couple days ago for a position in Montana from the feds the problem is I leave for Asia at the end of October and still haven't got the email to take my fingerprints and drug test the fmo said I should be able to complete it by the time I leave but I'm just getting increasingly worried from the radio silence on HR's end I just wanted to know your guys experience and how long it usually takes to get that email


r/Wildfire • • 23h ago

Employment Where/how to get a job?

4 Upvotes

Hello everyone,

I'm just finishing my first summer as a temp backcountry ranger for the FS. I am hoping to get on a type 2 or shot crew for next summer, as it fits well into my skill of hiking places and doing manual labor. The only experience I have is one two week fire detail and a small fire on my home forest.

Which crews do you guys think I have a shot of getting on? Or is this a fools hope and I should look for an engine role first or something.

Mostly just looking for a scoop on which handcrews might have trouble getting people because of bad location or whatever, I figure those are my best bet.

I'm also a WEMT if that would help land something.

Thanks!


r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

Vale?

6 Upvotes

Anyone been on the crew who could answer some questions?


r/Wildfire • • 18h ago

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r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Two Firefighters Died in Yosemite—For What?

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r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

Discussion Advice for rookie

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6 Upvotes

Just received this notification from my application for suppression. Apprentice applications are still being reviewed. Any advice on the next -steps I should take? Between the have my L180, S190, and the online portion of S130. I appreciate any help I can get!


r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

Short Haul Crew Contacts

9 Upvotes

Hello all,

Interested in helitack, specifically SH (come from a military aviation and medical background, previous ski patroller and current WEMT). Internet sleuthing has failed to yield any way to reach out, so hoping someone in this community can help me connect with someone from YOSE, SEKI, or GRCA, or anywhere else you’d suggest for someone interested in SH. TIA.


r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Knees Blown out at 26

40 Upvotes

Looking for some guidance or advice. I’m 26 years old, I’ve been on a T2IA crew since the age of 19. With the exception of my first season, I’ve had 100+ days on incident every year. I love this job, and I go hard at it. Unfortunately as it turns out, too hard. I’ve done massive damage to my knees. This off season I’ll be looking at having surgery on a partially torn ACL in one knee and a pretty bad meniscus tear in the other. Both injuries occurred on fire and both were worked through. I’ve come a long ways in my career. I’m signed off as a CRWB. I’m working on many other certs. I absolutely love this job. But I can’t shake the feeling that this might be the end of the road for me. If it’s not, maybe it SHOULD be before I can’t walk at the age of 40. Any words of wisdom or thoughts are appreciated. Hopefully you all had a productive and profitable season. Keep em safe out there


r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

Where should I try to work if I want to eventually do policy/planning for community resilience and fire management?

2 Upvotes

Currently back in school after 4 fire seasons (Montana and Virginia) with the fed and thinking about the next phase. I want to work on fire policy like community resilience/preparation in the WUI and changing our strategies to be more proactive than reactive.

Are there any spots, forest, districts, or non-fed agencies that do an especially good job of working with local communities? Places that have a mix of WUI firefighting and prescribed fire/managed fire rather just full suppression in the middle of nowhere? Agencies/districts that use fire fighters in more creative/proactive ways and let ecologist in on the planning?

So far thinking about trying to get on a WFM or a fire effects module but that seems like it could be really hit-or-miss.


r/Wildfire • • 1d ago

Cancer & Satellite Internet

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I'm thinking about applying to be a fire ranger in Ontario

My two concerns are the cancer risk and having a small amount of internet access

I know the cancer risk is super high, but can it be mitigated to any degree by wearing a respirator, clothes under the nomex, etc ?

Also, can anyone speak to the reliability of satellite internet services for phones? I see rogers offers such a service, has anyone used it in the super remote bush?

Thanks


r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Temporary/seasonal wildland firefighter

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r/Wildfire • • 2d ago

Western Fire resources

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This is a contract crew based out of Texas. Is there anyone that knows anything about them, seen them, or worked there or anything? I’m a college students and may be able to fight fire in the summer while I am away from school and want to learn more about them specially as I have some personal connections.