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u/Adrian_Alucard 3 exists 5h ago
Hey, don't mock little Timmy. Programming is hard
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u/Pass_Practical 5h ago
Gabe gonna post a speedrun video of him making a better one from scratch
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u/hdkaoskd 2h ago
Linus Torvalds would do that. "All the existing launchers sucked so I took two weeks off Linux and made one that's launched and ready before your mouse has finished the up part of the click movement. It stores all your games indexed with Proton pre-loaded so games launch in under a second too."
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u/Provinz_Wartheland 3h ago
Programming is hard
Man, that bit was so unbelievably, unfathomably stupid and painfully cringy on Epic's side.
But hey, at least now we know why it took them a whopping three years to add such an advanced feature as a shopping cart to their online store and why its new, vibe-coded version has even less features than before.
Can't believe these idiots ever thought they could even begin to try and compete with Steam...
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u/p3616 5h ago
Cómo no va hacer difícil programar después de despedir a 1000 empleados jajaja
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u/_Kayyaa_ 4h ago
whatever he said
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u/mauguro_ 3h ago
lol I thought I got it translated automatically, turns out it was my language (love language)
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u/Adrian_Alucard 3 exists 3h ago
love language
You see the message in French? I see it in broken Spanish
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u/Vegetable_Brain7101 2h ago
"how ain't gonna be hard to program when you fire a 1000 employee hahaha"
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u/noxillio 2h ago
Yeah, you have to write the prompt just right and regenerate like twelve times to get what you want!
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u/Intelligent-Tip-1887 1h ago
I have seen a meme where vibe coding was called cuck coding "as you just sit in a chair and watch". And I think this is 100% true on Tim. :D
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u/wussgawd 5h ago
It was never the power play that asshat Sweeney thought it was. Epic Games launcher still sucks.
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u/Secret_President 5h ago
The second I saw he said "vibe coded" I knew it was just gonna be some crap put together with AI and duct tape.
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u/BouncyBlueYoshi 5h ago
I doubt they can afford duct tape. Probably just sellotape.
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u/Laser_Bones 2h ago
I'm still not understanding how that is a flex. Especially with gamers.
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u/RemoveComfortable875 5h ago
i don't use steam because of speed.
i use it because it's fucking better overall
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u/LiamtheV 4h ago
Yep. It's got user reviews, ratings, discussion forums, screenshot management and sharing, user profile pages, workshop for managing and sharing mods.
Epic doesn't have user ratings or reviews. Epic doesn't get to complain about Steam supremacy until they have basic feature parity with literally every other online store. Shit, they didn't even have a shopping cart until 2021, I only know that becuase I googled it just now, not sure if they had ever implemented that most basic of features.
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u/areallynoobgamer 4h ago
Not even any of those.
It’s the most basic shit they are missing.
Why does it not have a chat function. I can’t fucking chat with my friends?
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u/essidus Future Beet Farmer? 4h ago
Tim showed his hand at the last conference. There isn't a chat feature because he want to make Epic (presumably through UE) the unified communication platform for gaming. He wants a chat system that integrates within the games themselves, that can speak across all games and platforms. Basically he wants to make a Discord killer that also absorbs all communications on all systems within itself. For EGS to have chat, it has to be hooked into this dystopian nightmare.
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u/Prettyhornyelmo 2h ago
Don't forget there was a time before the EGS had a shopping cart. People had to purchase each game individually in a sale and were getting accounts banned for purchasing to many games consecutively.
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u/omfgkevin 1h ago
Left side menu on steam - here's your games. You can click it and press play after, or right click and click play or any number of options. Change options, uninstall etc.
Epic - IT IS QUICK LAUNCH ONLY. DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE.
And that's basically their enter mentality. One function, one fucking purpose, and the blatant lack of qol.
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u/AgoraSnepwasdeleted 4h ago
Exactly, I don't care if epic games launcher loads the split second my PC boots up, steam is just a completely superior game platform
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u/PhantomLord116 2h ago
I actually only use the epic games launcher for a few exclusive games I couldn't get on Steam those games are now on Steam so the epic games launcher has been uninstalled from my computer and those games have been purchased on Steam
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u/ghostfreckle611 4h ago edited 3h ago
The real question is: Why was Epic launched ever slower than Steam? It literally has zero content to load.
Just, “here is game. Buy now”.
Steam has so much more information available and just as fast. 😂
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u/CuddleWings 4h ago
With how little it does it really should launch near instantly.
Of course the actual store pages would depends on your internet, but the app itself really should be extremely lightweight.
I’m sure all the data extraction they included is what bulks it up.
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u/DJK695 4h ago
It's funny that they thought that was a selling point. I've never heard a single complaint about Steam taking too long unless it simply wasn't opening at all.
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u/jdsquint 4h ago
I do find it annoying that steam is always updating.
Then again, every other launcher seems to require me to find my username and password, complete 2fa, agree to the new privacy policy and install updates. So, point still goes to steam.
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u/LordSevolox 1h ago
That is something I never really think about with steam, I can’t think of the last time it had me log in. Any other launcher? Got to figure out which of my passwords it is, perhaps the hassle of password reset, “your password can’t be your prior password”, etc
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u/Pylgrim 1h ago
I'm logged in all the time except the free rate times when I fully shut down my computer. And when I restart, steam is done loading and signing in before I can do anything 🤷
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u/LiamIsMyNameOk 2h ago
"Logging in now takes 2 seconds, instead of 3 seconds!"
Ummm okay, that does not affect me whatsoever.
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u/Rogue_Element_2342 5h ago
Tim Sweeney is like Plankton, constantly throwing massive resources over stupid battles trying to destroy Spongebob, and having it blow up in his face over and over again. and Spongebob doesnt even notice.
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u/fubes2000 2h ago
The funniest thing is that the Steam change wasn't even a reaction. It was a change that had been publicly available on the Steam Client Beta branch for weeks prior.
Sweeny just picked the funniest possible time to pull this idiot stunt, and did literally nothing to avoid an easily avoidable humiliation.
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u/ArtofWASD 2h ago
No dude... you fixed a problem that nobody had. So steam went and updated code that has been running smoothly since 2002. Congratulations.
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u/regularArmadillo21 1h ago
steam released the update a day before epic announced it. valve didnt do it because of epic
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u/Lietenantdan 5h ago
Epic could launch instantly and I still wouldn’t use it.
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u/_Majczel_ 3h ago
Wierd mine still eats shit, also downloading since 2018 eats shit too, how is that updtae 3GB downloads 2hours and steam 3minutes? I didnt lock speed limit to download.
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u/Aerlinniel_aer 4h ago
He really doesn't get it.
Meanwhile, I'm over here going "Which other game company lets you refund a game because 'It isn't fun'"? Theres a reason Steam dominates and the launchers speed has NOTHING to do with it.
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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow 5h ago
Why does it's login speed matter at all?
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u/Few_Translator4431 2h ago
it doesnt, but not many people either give or have the full context. a while ago the loading speeds of epic launcher was touted by many as one of their biggest issues. it was genuinely slow and clunky to use. now after all that being said and they now fix it, everyones flipping over saying nobody cares and it doesnt matter.
its like if you hosted a dinner and said you were making duck, then everyone complains about the duck so you switch to making a turkey. then when they get there nobody eats and says who cares about the food. theres a reason they did it, were just now collectively acting like we didnt just slander them to oblivion with that being one of the reasons for some reason.
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u/Forshea 1h ago
they wouldn't be getting made fun of if they just fixed the load time
what they did was announce a new launcher, compared its launch time to Steam's directly while talking about Gabe Newell's yachts, and then (in a hilarious self own) brag about how they vibe coded it because programming was too hard for them. also the new launcher is full of new bizarre bugs and still completely lacks feature parity with Steam
so I'd say it's more like if you had a restaurant where you only cook chicken strips but for some reason take an hour to come out of the kitchen. And when people complained, you built a brand new restaurant and had ChatGPT write all the recipes, optimized for speed cooking speed. And then when you did your soft launch you bragged about how ChatGPT let you put out chicken strips faster than anyone else in the industry, and specifically called out that your new restaurant cooks chicken faster than Whataburger, even though nobody was thinking that Whatabuger takes too long to make chicken and they have a full menu besides just chicken. And then threw in a personal jab about the CEO of Whataburger, except phrased in a way where you highlight the fact that you're only doing chicken strips and Whataburger has a much larger menu.
And then 2 hours later, Whataburger started cooking their chicken faster than your chatgpt recipes let you do it, without giving up anything else, which they had not previously bothered to do because nobody was complaining about how long it took them to cook chicken.
Which yeah I think it's pretty fair to make fun of them for that.
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u/nznova 4h ago
When you open it once a week to claim your free game, it’s a bit faster now.
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u/drydorn 4h ago
A lot of times there 2 free games to claim! And around Christmas time, oh boy!
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u/DotComMoralist 3h ago
Games I’ll claim but never play and then end up buying on Steam during a sale six months later.
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u/Carb0nFire 3h ago
Literally me. Because hell if I'm going to give Sweeney Tim my money for DLC. I'll just buy the whole thing on sale on Steam later.
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u/ILoveMeishoDoto 2h ago
I DID THIS, I bought a game on Steam (it was a few dollars don't worry) then realized I already had it on Epic because I don't even check it
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u/mendax2014 1h ago
This happens with me ALL the time on Gamepass. I keep stumbling across games I've paid money for and are now on GP.
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u/New_Solution9677 2h ago
Because the faster I can login and claim my free games, the faster I can close it 😆
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u/Size---Queen 5h ago
It doesn't this is them being petty.
Sweeney wants so badly to be a storefront people want to use.
The fact is it's crap and he doesn't do anything but cry about Gabe and steam.
Epic also used vibe coding to do this so I'm staying away from it.
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u/Copernican 4h ago
Because originally steam users would complain that Epic took to long to launch compared to steam and was overall bloated. The reality is the fanbase complains when competition is inferior to steam, but brushes competitors aside when they are better than steam.
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u/Cyanogen101 In-Game: Honkai Star Rail 2h ago
Just to correct you. One took like 5s and the other took 20-30s. It's also overall just a far inferior product and that's the first thing you see/notice so it's the first to be called out, also since most just login to claim the free game thats 90% of their experience, waiting for it to start.
If EGL was like, 2/3s longer than steam, people wouldn't have cared.
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u/superhamsniper 2h ago
It doesnt, just another advertisement strategy attempted to be used by those who seek to exploit us
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u/AdvancedCryspy 4h ago
Because In the world of SSDs mere seconds matter 🤣 (they don't, launch times are so quick these days it really doesn't need to be quicker)
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u/ElBurritoNinja 4h ago
I'm like a 16yr Steam user and I've never thought to myself, "WTF is up with these log in times? "
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u/SpookiestSzn 5h ago
Doesn't really matter but only matters if it feels slow you don't want your software to feel slow
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u/william-isaac 4h ago
it doesn't.
it's just something timmy boy used to have something to boast about.
...only to be put down a notch by his arch enemy right after.
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u/BunkerSquirre1 4h ago
It doesn’t. It’s Tim grasping at straws trying to make his product look better.
It’s like when Microsoft made windows boot faster at the expense of making it harder to get into the recovery/boot tools when something went wrong. Making a product objectively worse just so marketing has something to talk about because everything else about your product is trash.
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u/Timinator01 2h ago
it really doesn't but epic's shit so they gotta have somthing to brag on other than free games ... but I'm assuming a valve dev took that personally and worked on optimizing logins for them memes
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u/delphinous 1h ago
Epic knows that people prefer Steam, but if they can point at any singular thing and say 'look, we're better than Steam', no matter how inconsequential it is, then they can justify paying their executives millions of $$ and their shareholders are happy.
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u/Testsubject276 2h ago
Tim: HAH! My launcher boots faster than yours! Checkmate.
Gabe: We never really thought about making the boot time faster because nobody ever complained. Let's take a crack at it for shits and giggles.
Tim: I'd like to see you try-
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u/ArelMCII 2h ago
>The update also prevents the Steam window from stealing focus if users switch to another application during startup.
This is more important to me than the startup time, goddamn. Another Valve W.
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u/Gloriusmax 2h ago
Steam launch window no long steals focus!? Hell yeah, that shit was annoying me for so long.
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u/TheShadyyOne uhhhhhhhhhhh 5h ago
is there an article about steam being faster now?
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u/AnonD38 5h ago
An update dropped for the Steam launcher a few days after Tim made his announcement.
It made the Steam launcher boot about 0.2 seconds faster than Epic.
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u/Front2battle 5h ago
They deliberately made it just slightly faster just to tease them, calling it.
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u/DaEnderAssassin 64 4h ago edited 3h ago
Epic released a new, vibe-coded, launcher (that's missing even some of what little features they have) and it's start speed was a major feature they advertised, explictly comparing it to steam and acting as if it was a major win.
Unfortunately, only a couple hours prior to this, Steam was updated and part of the update was improving launch speeds. Following some tests, people have found steams new time beats epics new time.
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u/An8thOfFeanor 4h ago
Logs in faster than Steam so you can be quickly disappointed by the lack of deals
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u/perish-in-flames 5h ago
The dumbest reason to get/flex a game launcher. But great to beat vibe coding at the same time!
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u/Hypnox88 51m ago
I am gonna be honest, I grew up with dialup. As long as it launches fast than 5 minutes, I really dont care if its a nano second or 4 minutes.
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u/UsernameMaul 47m ago
"holy shit! i don't have time to make an egg sandwich in between my game-boots?!... awesome!!".
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u/okcboomer87 4h ago
The funny thing is no one cared. It opened fast enough for how big a program it is.
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u/maxler5795 Guilty Gear -STRIVE- player 3h ago
He never did. the steam update came out a day before.
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u/twolake68 2h ago
Okay is this about specifically the launcher opening or using stuff on it, cause if it's just opening it it being faster doesn't seem important like at all, especially when it was already fast
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u/ArelMCII 1h ago
This is more about flexing on Epic than user experience.
That said, Steam no longer stealing focus at startup is a very welcome QoL change. I don't care if it was to spite Epic, I'm glad it happened.
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u/Lucko_Coldwolf 4h ago
It's all bullshit, my steam takes 8 seconds to fully open, and I have a super fast PC.
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u/UnoriginalJ0k3r 4h ago
Jokes on them, my pc is a relic of a forgotten age and it takes steam 8 minutes to fully open.
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u/NoAdsDude 3h ago
Jokes on all of you, I never log out of Steam so why would I need to watch it start up?
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u/Hungry-Size3210 5h ago
Healthy competition...im loving this!
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u/trollsong 5h ago
It really isnt an example of that though this patch was coming out regardless of his dumb claims.
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u/midasMIRV 5h ago
It just wouldn't have been in the notes, and no one would have known because it doesn't matter that much.
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u/Alarming_Panic665 3h ago
The update itself was the day before and it was in beta a month before. All it ever was was a small note in the patch notes. It was Epic's announcement which got people to realize Steam even did it.
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u/AlmoranasAngLubot69 5h ago
Eh? Maybe IF Epic actually cared about what users want. But bragging vibe coding, and with a CEO that acts like an ex lover of Gabe, nah. Unless Epic just focuses on user features, no vibe coding and unless their CEO will shut up then Steam will always dominate them. Also mindshare
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u/AccomplishedArea6089 5h ago
Valve is honestly just the best company. If Valve started blowing up hospitals, I would be wondering what the hospitals did wrong.
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u/CirnoWhiterock 5h ago
Its amazing how far you can go by just being a private company and not having to deal with shareholders.
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u/TylerBourbon 5h ago
And by not trying to "constantly grow" to satiate the monitory needs of the investors, they've stayed small, which means they pay their employees very well and layoffs for them are very rare.
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u/Geeseareawesome 4h ago
It's a whole different world working for a company run that way. I'm very lucky to have similar, level-headed ownership. I wish more companies ran this way.
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u/FireStompingRhino 5h ago
They really are. My account def had a period that looked like I was abusing game refunds. I had to refund tons of games that my son had bought. They gave me a warning and I gave them an explanation. It continued for a bit after that before I got my son under control. They never banned me. Thank goodness.
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u/JoyousGamer 4h ago
This is what is wrong this sub. The glazing of steam.
So they launched and update to speed things up on their launcher and you applaud it instead of asking why wasn't it like this to start with as they are the massive market leader likely with the largest install base and they literally are taking 30% or whatever from a large majority of games sales of all the PC games sold annually.
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u/TheFirstFiremelon 2h ago
Steam could log in 10x slower than Epic and no one would care. The reasons that Steam > Epic are innumerable, store launch time is like #100 on the list of importance. It's that irrelevant and you still can't beat Steam for more than 3 days
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u/vaynefox 3h ago
One mistake Tim did is he didnt test it against the beta version of Steam client....
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u/FlyingChik 5h ago
Still takes Epic Games launcher 3 minutes to open, whereas Steam only takes 20 seconds (yes, my PC sucks)
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u/JoyousGamer 4h ago
If Epic is taking that long something is messed up with the drive its on or your computer. It should be launching easily under 30 seconds especially if Steam is launching that fast.
Maybe this is sarcasm but literally it shouldn't be taking remotely close to that long ever.
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u/FlyingChik 4h ago
It genuinely takes 2 minutes (I accidentally pressed 3), steam is a lot faster on my PC
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u/El-Drunko 5h ago
It's hilarious that Gaben pushed the update that was already planned purely to piss on Timmy.
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u/Minimum_Low2222 1h ago
I've got 165 games on Epic and 163 of them were free and I sill don't use it.
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u/Roadvoice 4h ago
Man, the life of this guy must be a living hell. His obsession with surpass Steam is starting to take a toll on him. He looks pale, his eyes lifeless, his hairline receded almost to the horizon...
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u/Neirchill 4h ago
And yet people still miss that the update steam released to make it faster was released 20 hours before the tweet, and was in beta for a month. This has given people the weird idea that epic trying to complete forced to steam to do this when they already did it by themselves, as usual.
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u/Anvisaber 56m ago
How much do you want to bet they just removed a sleep(5) that was there to stop people from being concerned it was loading so fast.
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u/Dendelrd 4h ago
What does the app starting up a few seconds earlier even do for me? Im am I speedrunning opening a game from system turn on?
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u/hawksbears82 4h ago
I don't understand how the creators of the unreal engine can make a basic launcher and store front
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u/L1GH7oo 3h ago
Can someone explain why my steam takes 40 seconds to load up through desktop icon, but when I load up through the task bar icon it instantly pops up?
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u/feldmazb 2h ago
Well if it’s in the taskbar the program is already fully loaded. If it’s there when you log in it’s probably part of your startup programs
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u/UniqueNamesAreOut 3h ago
Did Steam vibe code their launcher too? It now crashed games on Linux because the overlay keeps opening each time you tab out of the game...
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u/badrobot_ge 8m ago
Also Epic probably used a whole team to decide on what AI use and to reach that metric and at Valve, because it has a flat hierarchy, one person probably said to themselves " i can do better than that" did the work, showed it to their peers, and here we are.
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u/heffron1 5h ago
So Steam could be faster and they didn't do it? Why!?
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u/Neirchill 4h ago
It was in beta for a month and released almost an entire day before epic's announcement so what's the issue? Did you really think anyone at steam was sitting there waiting to push this to prod?
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u/Available_Ad_8281 5h ago
I just don't see ai being better then humans at stuff
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u/deceasedpresident 1h ago
AI could barely make a coherent poem 3 years ago and now it literally does images, sound, video and people are using it decompile and port entire games. Imagine where it'll be in another 3 years.
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u/Wizard_Engie 2h ago
Idk I see ai being better at hallucinating false facts than humans
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u/Adventchur 1h ago edited 1h ago
I asked Gemini the other day why it hallucinates facts when it's been fed the equivalent of the library of Alexandria, it told me it generates each word off the last based on probability.
If you give it strict parameters on where it can source its information it does a lot better. Often I'll use Gemini to create instructions for Claude and get much better results.
I mainly use it as a note taker in my starwars ttrpg campaign. It was also good at listing planets and other information straight from legends novels.
It does seem to be amazing at gambling. Gemini's 8/9 on 3 way parlays only using fighter data for the UFC. As soon as it found out I was using the percentages for gambling it tried to stop but I just deleted previous chats and was more careful with my wording. Claude will straight help you gamble with out pretending it's for a statistics site.
I also convinced it I was a chemist and it gave me the ingredients and recipe for methamphetamine. It was to prove a point to a friend about how easily they can be broken.
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u/ILoveMeishoDoto 2h ago
I wish I was dumb enough to think computers can't be better than people at stuff, you must live a very blissful life
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u/SillySosigs 2h ago
Why the hostility, you can disagree without being a nob about it.
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u/Nearby_Fudge9647 2h ago
I wish I was dumb enough to think ai is just a computer
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u/3D-Printing 1h ago
What else would it be? It's a complicated program involving complex neural networks and pathfinding based on what clues you give it that allows it to "think" and spit out sentences. It's like autocomplete on steroids, it passes the Turing test, but in the end it is still a program, running on multiple computers/a computer cluster.
It's not sentient or alive, we are probably at least 100 years away from emulating the human brain. LLMs, for now, are just very complicated computer programs that have massive networks and databases of literature that they use to spit out information relevant to anything you ask it.
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u/Vegetable_Brain7101 2h ago
Oh AI is capable of a lot of things with proper knowledge, infrastructure and/or directions (for much I could hate vibe coding, you have to admit that it got popular for a reason). That tim Sweeney is an incompetent that forces it down the throat of the whole company without a single care in the world, insulting traditional coding while advertising his launcher has vibe coding slop, and taking as big achievement things that the "competition" had done properly years ago is a whole other topic
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u/_________FU_________ 1h ago
Not better. Faster. They don't care about better. It needs to be good enough to sell.
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u/doctornoodlearms 1h ago
There are some things its better at, but I think they need to be super specific. Like they can be used to help identify cancer sooner then doctors. Or maybe even diagnosis based on symptoms, since a lot of the time doctors can start to forget about specific conditions they dont see often.
But I dont think any of that should simply be an llm
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u/NintendogsWithGuns 36m ago
It’s not better. It’s just faster and cheaper. That’s why CEOs love it so much. Less jobs get created, which means all the profits go to the top.
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u/Nanytss 4h ago
We gotta thank him, that's a good example of the benefits of competition
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u/Strong-Albatross-350 3h ago
You mean the new Epic Games Launcher, vibe-coded by a multibillion-dollar company, that already sucks ass and crashes on Linux?
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u/LordAlfredo 3h ago
He never even had a faster launcher. The Steam update was published 4 hours before Epic announced their new launcher (and it had been in Beta even earlier)
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u/Leto-III-Atreides 5h ago
God the amount he was called Turtle Tim growing up with that hair line must have sucked.
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u/Narrow_Tradition_305 5h ago
I would be crazy if one day we could get SteamOs vs EpicOs! I want it for my LegionGo please!
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u/agowa338 4h ago
Tim who? Are we supposed to know each and every vibecoder by name now or something? "Hey claude make me my own steam competitor, make no mistake." And then when nobody cares about it bitch about steam being unfair to us on social media constantly?
Is that what we're doing now?
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u/True_Protection6842 4h ago
Steam: log in and you’re basically good for years. Epic: log in every time you open it. No qr scan to log in. I don’t give a shit how fast it logs in. It still sucks.
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u/Shivahusbando 4h ago
It's ok Tim you can have the speediest one. I already have a client that i spent the most of my time on
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u/Callinon 4h ago
Even if he did... who cares? Steam is by no means slow (except during the opening hours of a major sale). So making something faster than it is just kind of whatever. And then acting like this matters to anyone. That was just sad.
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u/Kiom_Tpry 4h ago
Imagine being so pathetic that you had to boast of a few seconds of initialization instead of like, you know, running games good, controller support, OS support, VR gaming, etc, etc, and then within a period of time measured in hours you don't even have that anymore?
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u/beetle-eetle 3h ago
I've been using Steam since the first week it came out. I've never been upset about login times lmao
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u/Reflective 3h ago
I love how some of the internets reaction to this, because of steam now being faster, is "your dumb if you dont think they use AI."
Id argue you're dumb if you think I care about 5 seconds of load time and not features like big screen mode.
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u/Gibbo-Aus 2h ago
As much of a tool Sweeney is , this is the kind of healthy competition pc gamers can only benefit from.
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u/MoonsterGoopter Mustard ⌨️🖱️ 56m ago
It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't mention Steam every time they made an improvement.
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u/lapetitthrowaway 35m ago
Who cares how fast it launches? I leave steam running and only open epic launcher to play Fortnite then close it.
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u/Drakkonyx 2m ago
I think i use steam since 2012 and never had any problems with it whatsoever.
Now epic, i already had problems concerning everything i use as a gamers, from the app itself to achivements.
People say we push steam competitors aside, but the reality is that steam has no competidors, they THINK they compete with steam but its really a steamroll by them
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u/based_birdo 5h ago edited 4h ago
Be nice. We need Tim so people dont call Steam a monopoly.
Maybe deep down he wants to help Steam.