Mod author here,
first of all, the game wasnt updated the editor was
second of all, bethesda's plugin system is not version dependent like other games so updates arent capable of breaking mods unless the mods are made in ways that arent offical, like F4SE.
Basically 99% of mods dont, just technical ones, the issue is moreso that those technical mods tend to be popular ones that most people use. But litterally everything else doesnt require external tools to achieve it, the CK is a very good tool that bethesda has given us mod authors to create a ton of crazy stuff.
Not true. Script extender is only required for some things that use code that can't be done in the CK itself, the vast majority of mods are retextures or simple edits, and even excluding them there are way more mods that don't use the script extender. This is true for all the Bethesda games. The barrier of entry for script extender plugins is quite high so naturally there's not nearly as many.
Yeah I've always found it weird how whenever a Bethesda game update comes around people keep saying that they break all mods. It's been a few years since I've played a Bethesda game, but I generally only have a handful of mods that use the script extender.
And even then, the script extender devs seem pretty quick at supporting the new version whenever there is an update.
(Releases patch with fixes and content + modding improvements for decade old games)
What are you talking about? Bethesda do not do that. The next gen update for Fallout 4 fixed nothing, broke modding and introduced more bugs. People complain because the updates don't do anything and break things in the process, it's the worst of both worlds.
The latest update for Fallout 4 in august increased the BA2 archive limit from 256 to 1024, which is a genuine benefit for modders with large lists, there's tons of complaints about the 256 limit and having to unpack BA2's to get around it. The latest skyrim update also had some stealth bug fixes
Yes it sucks that script extender based mods break, but those aren't officially supported, whereas the ones made with only the creation kit tend to never break.
Have you consider that maybe this isn't about you? If an update breaks every script extender mod and you don't use script extender mods then obviously it's not going to affect you. What part of that is confusing to you?
"It's weird that these people in a different situation to me are experiencing a different outcome..."
Its bethesda im sure they can find a way to "break" mods. And by break i mean the mod somehow stops working as intended if updated on the new creation engine.
It shouldn't be forced upon to go to new version I know you can install older versions in some games on Steam but again when update drops you are forced to update and break your mods
That has nothing to do with the creation kit updating? It's a separate application that's only installed by mod authors or people wanting to port mods to console.
You make it sound like some Herculian endeavour clicking three boxes 😭 God forbid you don't play with your big titty mods or roll back your version, Jesus Christ
God forbid Bethesda stop touching their money milkers after 14 years and 10 years😭🥀
"But it shows that Bethesda cares" yeah about their SHOP and their MONEY🤑
Is it the worst thing in the world? No, but it's annoying enough to personally put me off every single time.
Also I'm gay, I would have a big dick mod thank you very much🥀
On a real note tho, I come home from work, i'm like 7 hours in modding my gane before even playing the game, go to bed, wake up and wanna Play and then I see an update and have to downgrade and shit cuz I dare committed the sin of forgetting to turn off auto updating.
Shut turns me off instantly and ruins my entire mood and makes me delete my entire mod list.
Yup. And Bethesda purposefully makes downgrading painful.
To the point where after recent Skyrim SE update I found return to LE easier and more pleasant.
It’s because you’re most likely launching the game correctly using the script extender and not blindly clicking play on Steam.
Also, 99% of the time “mods don’t break”, the script extender team just has to update things on their side and that usually takes a day or two, if even that.
Edit: Or, like me, you don’t use script extender mods, so an update is never an issue.
None of the mods I have made have ever needed to be updated because of a game update. It is mostly just mods that require the script extender that will break, and more often then not only the script extender itself needs to be updated.
Also with the TV show update they actively broke the progression of the game and throw super high level enclave enemies within eyesight of low level main quest areas like right by kellogs base
Mod author here, the Creation Kit is the editor that allows people to make mods, bethesda updated it and everyone is screaming and crying because they think it's an update for the game and they think it's going to break their mods because they can't read that it says "Creation Kit Update"
Script Extender is a popular mod that many popular mods depend on. As a feature implemented by the developer of Script Extender it checks game version on launch and if it doesn't match it refuses to launch.
This means anytime Bethesda changes the game version script extender, by design, refused to launch until it is updated. It can take the developer of Script extender hours to a week to update it.
This creates a cycle where people blame Bethesda for updating their game when it is a design choice of the developer of Script extender that things function this way.
Also, fallout 4 is old now and most mods won’t be updated because… yeah it’s been a while now and most modders do not play anymore or do not mod anymore
man go on community section on the game on steam and look at the people currently playing that ran into problems. its not a game update no but it IS breaking peoples mods. stop this bethesda glazing or whatever it is you're doing
I love how many people cant read because it clearly says "Creation Kit Update" right there LMAO
Patching the editor isnt updating the game you goobers lmfao. like c'mon, how are you guys seriously falling for this?
aaaaaaaaand this is why i uninstalled f4 and am never coming back. i have few hundred hours in it, not much compared to anybody else. this year in spring i started new char, i wanted to actually finish the game for once.
and then they came with the update in summer or so, and it broke tons of mods of course and i said fuck you bethesda. never more, never more, never more.
i know i could. but i won't. morrowind/open mw is better anyway. better rpg, better open world, better. just better.
im gonna bark at a closed gate, but bethesda could treat updates that break mods (that make their games better) as a communication strategy that informs players and maybe.. just maybe utilize the experimental and testing and beta branches, until things settle down again, mods get updated, people adjust and then you make those beta/experimentals offic?
its about money after all, nothing less. the updates were as far as i can tell, made to cater to some new creations club shit. nothing really happening with the game as such. no bug fix no quest fix no nothing but MMM milk moar moneyz.
Bro just run the downgrader ffs you install 200 mods but downloading 201 is too much and you'd prefer bethesda to postpone patches until EVERY mod author has updated their shit? Run the downgrader its so fucking simple 😭
When Bethesda updated their games, nearly all mods made with the official creation kit (mod kit) worked fine. Only the minority of mods based on unofficial hooks (script extender) broke, most only for little bit.
The even crazier part is even if you forget, you can just downgrade. "Where is this amazing downgrader?" Oh its hidden away somewhere no one goes..... nexusmods. Yeah, the same place you get your mods, you get the downgrader. It literally takes like 3 minutes to downgrade.
Funny just a few hours ago I had to deinstall Skyrim because I couldn't get my current Mods to properly work with the resolution of my new Screens.
And I was contemplating if I try modding Skyrim again or install F4 and install mods. I decided to go with Skyrim and it seems it was the right decision.
If updates are breaking your mods, it means you either have Steam set to auto-update (not update on launch) or are launching it from Steam.
Launching the game using the script extender .exe prevents Steam from updating the files and therefore the script extender doesn’t stop working.
At this stage it’s been years of people saying this, and Bethesda now announces updates in advanced. There’s very little left they can do now to help people with mods.
That is true and since the update Bethesda did during the airing of the TV show I learned about it and use this method. Though twice now I had the issue of doing a clean install right after an update and having to do the whole downgrade thing for the Mods that havent been updated to work.
I've been waiting for months for the 3rd time in a row for mods to get fixed up and now Todd fucks it up again. It has been a year since I started setting up the game and I haven't been able of playing it yet because they keep messing with it, fml
edit: phew, they didn't touch the game itself, just creation kit
i just spent hours downgrading my f4 to replay fallout london, i KNOW their pain. had to reinstall too because i fucked up at some points, steam really needs to allow us to choose what version of a game we'd like to play
The same is true for Fallout and Skyrim, if those mods do not use external script extenders that inject code into the game. Normal mods created using the Creation Kit are not affected by updates.
Mods for Skyrim LE work perfectly fine on Skyrim SE without changing anything. The only real conversion that needs to be done is unpacking any BSA files.
Why do people be modding their games and not turning off updates? You would think the first time it happens you would learn. You go through the effort to learn to mod your game but then you don't bother to turn updates off? It's not even hard to do.
tbh i'd just Give up and quit playing the game because the fun it provides can't be worth all the time and effort it takes to test which mods are broken and which are not while waiting for updates on them from their makers and then having to manually fix each and every one of these mod one at a time after they're updated. God. its so bad.
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