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u/Fozzdroz 1d ago
Next model, they're just going to leave off the fire extinguisher jack altogether
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u/DreadPiratteRoberts 1d ago
....But the Pro version will come in Rose-Gold and you can pay extra for the safety pin!!!
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u/Co_Duh 1d ago
I'm not a rocket scientist, but this seems illegal.
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u/NetworkEcstatic 1d ago
Its illegal because its not clearly labeled.
Slap a fat label saying g fire extinguisher is right here its fine.
But just a random silver door with no discernible reason. Yea, thats illegal.
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u/GreenGhoblin 1d ago
But labels eww that would make the place look untidy. Who needs safety when you have style?
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u/NicholasWildeRails 1d ago
Apple stores have the style of a dental office
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u/Ill_Technician3936 1d ago
I got a great dentist office then lmao there's artwork made by people in the city all over it.
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u/Adventurous-Map7959 23h ago
ew, maybe he should clean the walls after he pulls a tooth.
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u/Ill_Technician3936 23h ago
Honestly they're all pretty good. Except these fishes in the rooms those probably need some cleanings every few months.
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u/AskMeForFunnyVoices 22h ago
You just put into words something I've always hated about apple design, but that I haven't quite been able to articulate
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u/Strange-Bee5626 17h ago
To be fair, apple fans definitely seem to prefer style over practicality.
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u/A_Furious_Mind 16h ago
Apple likes style over practicality. Apple fans like what Apple tells them to.
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u/LovableSidekick 23h ago
Yes the labels would have to be silver in a subtly different shade from the column, and the text color subtly different from the label so it's unobtrusive, the way some web designers put light gray text on white background.
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u/Headpuncher 21h ago
Apple inspired web devs never put light grey on white, they put light grey on a slightly darker grey.
Also make the font size 8px.
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u/LiftingCode 1d ago
What is more likely ...
The flagship NYC retail store of one of the most valuable companies of the world is doing blatantly illegal shit that only Redditors are smart enough to see
Or
This image is fake engagement bait for Redditors who cannot resist a good "Apple bad" circlejerk
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u/erizzluh 23h ago
i just assumed there are other publicly placed fire extinguishers and this one is like an extra one for managers or something.
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u/PhiCloud 23h ago
No idea how New York operates, but over here in barely functioning Texas we get inspections by the fire marshal. They specifically check to make sure your fire extinguishers are stored in a code compliant way. My workplace got dinged on our last inspection because one of our fire extinguishers was in the right place, but the hook it was hanging off of wasn't up to code. We had to get a work order in to replace our fire extinguisher hook with one that met the regulations.
This is Texas, not exactly known for its focus on public services and willingness to enact regulation. I doubt New York is more lax.
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u/beast_c_a_t 12h ago
fire codes are usually enforced by the local fire authorities who have a pretty good reason to enforce it as every fire that have to fight is a major risk to their lives
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u/macaronysalad 17h ago
What sucks is you calling this out is also engagement, just like me responding to you. So win-win for the poster. But I do it to when I see them with a slimmer of hope people will notice and move on without engaging. It's everywhere when you pay attention. Video streamers similarly commonly say something unusual, maybe out of context, or simply something controversial. It's all to hook people in a manipulative way.
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u/CitizenofBarnum 1d ago
Honestly could be either.
Im assuming the flagship store is run maybe slightly better than the average dirt mall apple store so...11
u/aayushpatty 1d ago
i Extinguisher
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u/MiniMaelk04 23h ago
Everybody knows about the special iExtinguisher compartment in every Apple device. Most easily reached by piercing directly through your device battery with a sharp object, and you will become extinguished.
(for legal reasons the above is sarcasm)
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u/Eternal663 21h ago
It's not illegal to own/hide a fire extinguisher.
It's illegal for there to not be a labled/marked/visible one in public areas (depending on the code of where you live, the exact spec's and regulations may differ so i won't give concrete numbers).
Nobody is gonna fine you just because you have one there. They will fine you if you don't have one avalible and visible.
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u/Horrific_Necktie 17h ago
Not true. If it is intended to be used, it must be conspicuous. (Local code apotions may vary, but below are NFPA standards)
13.6.3.1.1.4.1 Individual signage or placards shall be provided for each extinguisher in the grouping and shall be placed immediately above or adjacent to each installed extinguisher. [10:6.1.1.4.1]
13.6.3.1.1.4.2 Where extinguishers are installed in cabinets, the required signage or placard shall be permitted to be placed on the face of the cabinet door provided it does not interfere with cabinet visibility, conspicuity, or fire resistance rating. [10:6.1.1.4.2]
13.6.3.1.3 Placement. 13.6.3.1.3.1 Fire extinguishers shall be conspicuously located where they are readily accessible and immediately available in the event of fire. [10:6.1.3.1]
13.6.3.1.3.2 Fire extinguishers shall be located along normal paths of travel, including exits from areas. [10:6.1.3.2]
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u/EvenBroaderBand 19h ago edited 19h ago
This is where they store spare fire extinguishers, the mandated ones are clearly visible as per code.
Thinking that the designers of the flagship store for one of the largest companies on earth don't know the fire rules as well as reddit is astounding to me. How on earth do you people get yourselves into this kind of thinking?
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u/frilly_socks 17h ago
How on earth do you people get yourselves into this kind of thinking?
Positive feedback loop from other people that think the same.
The internet as a whole is getting nicer, and it's making people dumber.
Everyone is willing to play devils advocate. I can't fucking stand it.
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u/SkriVanTek 18h ago
guess it just feels so nice to collectively bitch about someone
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u/Oscaruit 16h ago
There is most likely a large fire extinguisher sign above the door and has been purposely omitted to create engagement.
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u/gogogadgetjustice 20h ago edited 3h ago
Steve Jobs would drive without a license plate because he thought they were ugly and would just pay the leasing fees to swap out to an identical car.
So at least that part of him is still in the company.
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u/arrrrrffffff 20h ago
Well his own stated reason was he didn't want people to follow him but I guess we live in a post-truth world where we just make stuff up so sure, whatever you say, anyone could be right and I'm sure you know better than the man himself.
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u/Fluffcake 22h ago edited 22h ago
Doesn't have to be. There is nothing stopping you from hiding additional fire extinguishers everywhere like a squirrel. Building can already have sufficient fire suppression measures to be code compliant without it.
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u/Scudmiss 1d ago
I’m a science rocketist and can confirm it’s illegal
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u/super5886 1d ago
To be fair, if a rocket scientist needs a fire extinguisher, it's probably too late.
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u/Unlikely-Fan-2974 1d ago
Don’t think rocket scientists decide what’s legal and illegal
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u/GitEmSteveDave 1d ago
Only if there is not a sign directly above the top of this photo. In my plaza, all the extinguishers are behind locked glass panels. Seems illegal, but entirely legal.
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u/Kate_Walsher 1d ago
Couldn’t see a label or a sign showing the content, test it’s illegal.
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u/Crazy__Donkey 1d ago edited 1d ago
And compromise the artistic beauty ?!?
Edit
Just got in interesting dm... so:
/s
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u/AmericanCitizenry 1d ago
My best friend's dad was a fire Marshal!
You don't ever fuck with the Fire Marshal.
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u/NotTheRocketman 1d ago
I think it's fine, but it should be labeled and it's not (as far as I can tell).
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u/bradsnamehere 1d ago
My fire extinguisher hides a bottle of booze
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u/powerplayer6 23h ago
My family and I bought one of these as a gift for another family member, and it's a cool concept but the booze door isn't flush with the wall when closed shut so it looks janky...
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u/gabox0210 1d ago
There's a reason those are of that vivid color and placed somewhere people can easily see and reach them.
I don't know about NYC fire code but this should be against it.
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u/thecactusman17 1d ago
This is almost certainly against multiple state and federal building codes.
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u/Throwawaysquared4 23h ago
Does every single store you’ve been to have a visible fire extinguisher?
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u/hates_stupid_people 23h ago
Of course they haven't, but per the law in most places they must have clearly visisble signage if enclosed or hidden.
In the US it would be OSHA, NFPA and ADA requirements. Which likely are not being followed in this case.
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u/thecactusman17 23h ago
Yes. It's a mandatory OSHA requirement.
They might have the extinguisher in the back rooms out of the public area, but even there it's fully visible for inspection and retrieval by anyone who needs it. Or if it's covered (such as if it's in an area where it might be exposed to corrosive elements or debris that could damage it), there's a big sticker or other indicator that clearly states that there is a fire extinguisher present at that location.
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u/bickusdickus69allday 1d ago
Might as well hide the "emergency exit" sign while they're at it
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u/CookieCutterer98 1d ago
They already removed that feature in the storeOS 24 update
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u/afinitie 1d ago
At one of the original Mac reveals Steve Jobs pushed hard and hard to have the room in complete darkness, including turning off the exit signs. Fines are just the cost of business
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u/Nero_2001 1d ago
Is this even legal. Doesn't a fire extinguisher need to be clearly visable incase something happens?
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u/EmotionalDeadZone 22h ago
OSHA CFR 1910.157(c)(1): employers must mount, locate, and identify portable fire extinguishers so they are “readily accessible to employees without subjecting the employees to possible injury.”
The Fire Marshall applies a simple test, could someone who is not familiar with your facility find the fire extinguisher(s) easily and in a stressful situation?
If the answer is no, then it is not a legal placement.
Otherwise, it’s fine.
There are also distance requirements for signage, how many extinguishers you need and what type depending on types of liquids and types of hazard, etc… but that’s not the question here.
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u/Tokenvoice 19h ago
Why would a employee not be familiar with the facility? The law is that employees need to know where the extinguishers are but the marshall tests for randos?
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u/Alladas 19h ago
Because not every employee works at every store. When you work retail which this is.... Especially if there is more of the same stores owned by the same company.... If one is short staffed where do you think they get the staffing..... There is also teams at big stores like Walmarts that go store to store for refreshes and inventory. There's also district managers and corporate workers who very likely don't go to that store more than once a year.
Lots of employees that aren't there every day or are in multiple stores a day.
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u/Datboy000 19h ago
The signs on an extinguisher are very reflective and slightly glow. This is because when there is a lot of smoke it is hard to see. When an extinguisher is useful is in clear air, to just before you cant see your hands extended.
Simple test for this that we had to do on the boat is go to your bedroom. Blindfold yourself and have someone position you in the room then spin you around 3 times. See how long it takes for you to get outside safely. You are familiar eith your home, but in a safe and controlled environment you can change that familiarity to be against you
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u/MisterXnumberidk 18h ago
Because it does not matter who grabs the fire extinguisher.
If one is needed, you want the closest person, whoever they are, to be able to find one asap.
Fire does not wait in line for customer service and employees aren't firefighters.
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u/Fine-Froyo6219 16h ago
Illegal per NFPA 10 unless there is clear identification of the extinguisher cabinet out of the photo. Even still, almost assuredly illegal and the fire marshal wouldn't like this. They're required to be conspicious not INconspicuous.
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u/omnimodofuckedup 14h ago
My best guess is this is not a mandatory extinguisher and they already got the mandatory ones covered.
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u/admfrmhll 23h ago
Not really, there is a reason that they are all painted in camouflage patterns to match locations paint, instead of red or something for more visibility.
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u/Occidentally20 22h ago
Where I live there are almost no regulations for health and safety at all - you can cook some food in your kitchen right now, put a table on the side of the motorway and sell it. No health inspections, no ingredients labels, nothing. You'll see people changing gas canisters while smoking, 5 people and a baby all one one motorcycle with no helmets and people building skyscrapers with no harnesses, helmets or shoes.
Even here fire extinguishers are mandated to be visible, sensibly placed, labeled in multiple languages and inspected by the fire department regularly.
We yearn for such a camouflage design!
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u/SkriVanTek 18h ago
yep fires in urban centers are no shit. fire safety inspectors go back till ancient rome and probably a lot longer. long before there was such things as a police force or an EMS.
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u/EmberOfFlame 18h ago
As a legislator, if you don’t want to regulate building standards, then you probably want to make sure the peasantry can stop fires before they start, lest your city cosplays London.
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u/BlossomMusse 22h ago
Fire extinguisher is supposed to be visible in case of emergency people may not remember that what is hidden there is extinguisher.
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u/Top-Examination3151 18h ago
Its an Apple store, filled with Lithium Ion batteries. I don't see an realistic way a fire could start. You guys are crazy. /s
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u/rolo_mug 16h ago
Defibrillator is on the roof in a locked box
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u/Historical-Cress8985 14h ago
The puzzle room you have to solve in order to get the key is incredibly frustrating.
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u/Logical_Frosting_277 1d ago
Where I am that is a code violation. It needs to be visible, accessible and also have a sign on the wall indicating there is a fire extinguisher there.
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u/Coal_Morgan 1d ago
It's not showing the entire pillar. Possibly there is a flag above pointing down at it.
I can't see an inspector not checking that the extinguishers weren't up to code.
Fire exits, fire alarms and fire suppression are usually priority 1 for most inspectors and most places stay closed if it's not up to fire code.
So I'm betting that it's a cropped photo for a reason.
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u/Artorius__Castus 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh neat a fire extinguisher with a 13 second load capacity with lithium batteries literally all over the store that can burn for the next Century?? And then we go and hide it so in the case of a Fire you can't even find the damn thing???
Only Apple could pull off such Mcfukery
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u/Size---Queen 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think they are legally required to have one as well as not blocked exists.
Not labeling that it's there feels illegal.
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u/Kyvoh 1d ago
Or hear me out, they have the legal minimum correctly displayed and labeled, it just happens the legal requirement doesn't cover per room coverage. So that storage, break rooms, bathrooms, etc. all have it, but not the public side. The the display room could legally have this in effect(though I'm not a fir Marshall)
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u/TheRealSmolt 1d ago
I thought that too, but in my extremely cursory research it seemed like all extinguishers, public facing or not, need signage.
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u/MurderSeal 1d ago
You dont NEED signage if its in an open visible area, but if its around a wall, or inside something like this absolutely signage is needed.
In an emergency the closest fire extinguishers should be deployed, even by non-trained people even if just to bring it over and ask for a trained individual to take control.
Not having signage will also confuse shoppers if they are told by the scene command to fetch one, and given directions. "Look for a panel on one of those poles" is not anywhere good enough compared to "go to that area and look for one" when it will be very visible.
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u/eagleoid 10h ago
The Titanic had less lifeboats than the designer recommend because the owner wanted the ship to look "less cluttered".
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u/GenerallySalty 1d ago
From the company that brought you😆
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u/Horizontalgewerbe 23h ago
I remember that saga. The fanboys where vehemently defending it was a great design, where it clearly was form over function gone bad.
I'm still not fully convinced it wasn't a dare mocking the users that could see no downside to anything Apple did. "I bet you Jim, we could make a mouse with a charging port on the freaking bottom and they'd still buy it!"
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u/GenerallySalty 23h ago
Yep. Right up there with "I bet we could sell a computer where the monitor doesn't come with its own stand, and the stand is an aluminum triangle that's an additional $700 and they'd still buy it!". And that was like 10+ years ago - you could build a good computer at the time for less than the aluminum stand for a Mac's monitor.
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u/Horizontalgewerbe 23h ago
It also turned me off to the few Apple fanboys I know in real life. As in, nice people and all, but I no longer talk tech with them since the mouse thing. Of course you can find its silly design 'no problem' or like in their case even 'nice', but acting like it's a design that's above all forms of criticism because of 'Apple' rubbed me the wrong way.
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u/spookynutz 19h ago
Is this level of criticism actually warranted, though? This is the second time I've seen this fire extinguisher at the top of /r/all. It's a fire extinguisher.
Logitech has been making variations on this design for almost 20 years. I've never heard anyone complain you couldn't use it while docked, or even cared enough about mice to criticize one. The same with power tools, handheld vacuums, phone headsets, etc. The obsessive outrage culture fixated on that mouse's charging port (and now this fire extinguisher) is just weird. There are products that have resulted in actual death that have gotten less flack.
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u/No_Exercise_6790 1d ago
Yeah that store would be shut down in Australia until they fixed it.
The Fire department are more powerful than the Tax Office.
They can prevent any cafe, restaurant, hotel, bar or office from opening their doors if it's not up to code.
I've had experience with a boutique hotel with a rooftop bar that were prevented from opening our doors. A simple thing like a pot plant in front of an exit door or insufficient exit signs are just some examples.
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u/Substantial-Sea-3672 17h ago
This is actually true in the US as well. At least de jure
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u/ureallygonnaskthat 22h ago
It's the same thing in Houston. I worked on a crew setting up a very large retail store and our project manager somehow managed to piss off the Fire Marshall. We wound up almost a week behind schedule because he was nitpicking absolutely EVERYTHING he could possibly find before OKing the systems and signing off on the permits.
There's only two rules you need to follow when dealing with inspectors:
- Have your ducks in a row so everything goes smoothly.
- DON'T PISSS THEM OFF!
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u/Over_Heed 1d ago edited 1d ago
I swear these things are supposed to be labeled and marked clearly. Why would you hide something that puts out fires?
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u/reddit_geb 21h ago
what's next? putting the charging port on the bottom of the mouse?
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u/ElegantCoach4066 19h ago
What a silly thing to say. Nobody would ever do that.
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u/Gabriel_Science 17h ago
Yes, unless it can be charged in a few minutes to a sufficient amount, which it obviously wouldn’t. /s
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u/jacorgacor 10h ago
I'm surprised you don't have to pay at least a year worth of subscribtion to get it open
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u/001DeafeningEcho 9h ago
I’m surprised Apple isn’t paying a year’s worth of profit in fines for keeping the fire extinguisher hidden
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u/kick-2050 1d ago
Apple always
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u/Porcupenguin 1d ago
"FUN" STORY: I just went to the Apple Park store to pick up a water bottle for someone. He's an Apple nerd and really wanted two as collectibles....I live close and am a nice guy.
Wtf, Apple. They had water bottles on display, but had to ask to get them from the back. They didn't come in a box or anything; just naked. Then I wander around for a few minutes figuring out there's no where to checkout, so I have to ask again how the fuck to pay for these things. She points me to another dude who has a portable payment device. He is actively helping people with products so I have to wait awkwardly for him to finish so I can finally leave that hellscape. Instead of a quick 2 minute in and out, it was 10+ minutes of frustration.
They don't want the aesthetic of registers and what not, so they fuck the whole customer experience. Hate that company.
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u/isonotlikethat 1d ago
I use a lot of apple products. This is actually one of my biggest complaints with Apple. Their stores prioritize helping customers choose what iphone they (might) want to purchase than people like me who just want to walk in, buy something, and leave. I've had to wait over 30 minutes before just to tell an employee "i want x here's my card"
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
‘Incredible details…’
Apple fans lol
This is why their ecosystem is severely bloated with devices that could easily be consolidated.
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u/jzsean 1d ago
holy redditor
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
Gushing over a company store, ya. A company that has grown so large that the only innovation they deliver is planned obsolescence, ecosystem interdependency, and piggy backing off other companies innovation once it’s absolutely a safe bet.
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u/Few_Judge1188 1d ago
Lucky they didn’t have a passcode to get to it 😂
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u/do-not-freeze 1d ago
Leave a 3-year-old unattended next to it for 30 seconds and you'll be locked out for 24 hours.
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u/GentrifriesGuy Human Detected 1d ago
Negative IQ chess move
https://giphy.com/gifs/h8HmN0UcEKR0xWnv3R
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u/WaffleHouseGladiator 1d ago
I'm just imagining a couple of firefighters surveying the charred ruins of an Apple store and one of them says, "Yeah, but the place looked REALLY cool. You shoulda seen it, man. SOOOS cool."
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u/achisling 1d ago
Imagine trying to unlock that door with face id while the accessory wall is engulfed in flames.
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u/Ristar87 1d ago
I'm pretty sure it's also illegal. the fire code states your extinguishers must be in clear sight and every so many feet in the case of a stripmall or something
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u/anonumus_idiot 1d ago
Not to mention its a metal door.
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u/MancDude1979 22h ago
Yeah but its Apple so that metal will have absolutely no structural integrity
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u/spawndoorsupervisor 23h ago
Why are like 99% of the comments just the same thing over and over?
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u/hazzwright 21h ago
Bots or morons. Take your pick. I'm only this far down because I'm looking for a single comment asking where this picture is from and if it's even real.
Zero critical thinking skills going on.
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u/locoattack1 8h ago
"Clearly the largest company in the world's flagship store in the largest city in the country is breaking the law and nobody noticed except for me when I saw this poorly cropped reposted photo that is absolutely not missing any context."
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u/tedecristal 23h ago
Like Tesla hiding the door opening handles... https://youtube.com/shorts/yrI2S9Unw1o?si=779X5DVmugXpdzOM
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u/catchasingcars 19h ago
What do you expect from a company that put charging port at the bottom of the mouse?
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u/AMonitorDarkly 1d ago
I guess on the one hand, an extinguisher isn’t going to do shit against the type of fire that’s most likely to occur there.
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u/mushymunchkin3230 1d ago
They probably hid the fire extinguisher cos it’s red and clashes with the rest of the store’s drab metal color scheme by being too lively
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u/characterfan123 23h ago
I have seen video of Walmart employees trying to evacuate customers when a display catches on fire. They yell at a customer who simply takes a fire extinguisher from where it hangs on a ceiling post and puts the fire out.
You know, the posts with a big yellow FIRE EXTINGUISHER sign on them
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u/Conscious-Loss-2709 23h ago
If I worked at wallmart I'd yell at people too if they prevented it burning down
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u/praterboi 23h ago
If I worked at Wallmart I'd yell at people.
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u/Happy-Telephone9483 22h ago
If I worked at people I'd yell at Walmart.
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u/JetNeoArmstrongCanon 22h ago
If I was Walmart I would yell at people and spontaneously combust
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u/1Harvey2Trent3Temple 22h ago
They won't be able to do this over the pond, as safety legalisation requires fire extinguishers to be easily available and visible.
Any fire extinguishers weighing 4kg or less must be mounted in such a way that the handle is 1.5m from the ground.
Fire extinguishers weighing more than 4kg must be mounted where the handle is 1m from the ground surface.
The extinguisher must be easy to reach in an emergency.
If the extinguisher is loose in any way, it poses a safety risk. Make sure it is securely fixed wherever it is mounted.
According to fire extinguisher regulations, your fire extinguisher should be close to the fire escape route.
It must also be clearly visible from most vantage points, especially from fire escape routes.
If a building has multiple floors, then the various extinguishers much be placed in the same locations on every floor in order to maintain consistency.
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u/nopunchespulled 18h ago
If there is not a clearly labeled sign that the extinguisher is in there, it's against code
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u/mahlernameless 10h ago
Took me longer than it should have but I did find pictures with this panel on their google maps listing. I expected to see a red fire-extinguisher placard higher up the pole but didn't see anything. Interestingly there is similar panel above this closer to the ceiling.
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u/silv3rbull8 1d ago edited 1d ago
And when there is a fire with smoke filling the room, try finding that. If Apple wants to be innovative, have a cool firefighting robot always at the ready
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u/AoiSekai01 1d ago
Pretty sure that's illegal unless there's a label indicating a fire extinguisher is kept inside
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u/NovelInspector 23h ago
Sounds like typical apple.
Used ipod. Coming from windows and nokia their itunes interface was annoying without simple drag and drop. Never again. Heard they implemented drag and drop after a while. But still scared of buying iphone and finding some ridiculous design or aesthetic choice that will be infuriating every time I interact with it.
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u/Ok_Transition_4003 1d ago
It's not like there is anything in the store that can spontaneously combust
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u/Vulpes_99 1d ago
Hiding a fire extinguisher is a hilariously bad idea
Not only that, but calling it an "incredible detail" as if it were a good idea is a hilariously example of "Brand's Brainless Cult", too 😂
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u/DogEmbarrassed8888 1d ago
Ouhh this item ment to ensure my safety in case of emergency is unsightly.. put it in a wall compartment like a video game secret, surely everyone and their mother can see the cut out on the gray piller in the gray smoke that the fire causes.
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