r/Salsa • • Feb 12 '24

Discussion: suppressing valuable discussion vs allowing slander and doxxing

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This is the sub mod, reaching out for discussion on the influx of posts (and reports) regarding the recent posts about predatory behavior in the salsa scene. TLDR: In this post, I will talk a little on the current sub policy on moderation, discuss a bit of context on what I am required to remove from the sub, and then add my thoughts on path forward. The last will be up for some discussion here, as we try to figure out what we as an online salsa community want to be.

  1. Current mod policy: my current mod policy is to let upvotes and downvotes speak. Things are often reported that don't really break sub rules or are bad text posts by people who are annoying to many of you in the sub. I do not remove these posts. One of the reasons I do not is that, despite being downvoted into the negatives, many of these posts tend to foster a healthy amount of discussion and engagement in the comments that are relevant to the dance scene. Another type of oft-reported post are the ones that link to a site or blog or whatever. The current rule is not to spam them and not to sell anything. The reason is that there are things that you may not be interested in that others may find useful. Again, upvotes/downvotes do a lot of heavy lifting. In the cases that the line crosses from occasional self promotion to spam, I have reached out to those individuals via DM to help clarify the policy, and if required, temp ban them. My point is, generally I do not like using mod powers to shape the subreddit to be what I want, but rather what the community wants to see.

  2. Which brings me to my next point - things I must remove. According to reddit content policy rule 3 (https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy) I am supposed to remove anything that reveals personal information or uses such to instigate harassment. The kicker: public figures may be an exception to this rule. And a public figure is "a person who has achieved fame, prominence or notoriety within a society, whether through achievement, luck, action, or in some cases through no purposeful action of their own."

As you can see, the whole thing is kind of murky, especially as it applies to the recent discussions on predatory behavior. As someone who takes part in another sport that is rife with these types of scandals (against children on top of that), I have personally seen that shining light into these corners of darkness has a huge effect. So I am not keen to suppress legitimate discussions about this topic in our community.

On the other hand, reddit is full of examples of failed witch hunts and anonymous bullying. And some of the discussions, veiled or otherwise, have been naming individuals who may not even be on this site to defend themselves. I'm not keen to allow mudslinging (especially without proof) in a subreddit that is meant to celebrate dancing. I can imagine a scenario in which a instructor or school uses the current discussions to cast unfounded doubt or outright accusations against an innocent rival.

So how to walk the line between useful discussion and baseless name calling?

  1. Thoughts on path forward - I propose that we continue to allow upvotes and downvotes dictate what goes on the page relative to these discussions, with a couple of tweaks. Naming regions or cities in comments/posts is okay. Talking about your experiences about unnamed people is okay. Opening discussions on predatory behavior, what that behavior looks like from start to finish, and providing support in the wake of aftermath--all okay. What is not okay is accusing people by name in the top level posts or in comments unless you have a link to an objective article/police report/etc. that backs up the claim. Instead, I propose that you leave an invite at the end of your post/comment for any one to DM you if they would like to discuss details/names in private. Those that would benefit from knowing will still have the opportunity to find out what/who they should be careful of, without violating any reddit policies. It would also allow the two users to have a more frank conversation, and at the end of the day it will be for the requester to determine the credibility of the poster.

Is this a perfect solution? Of course not. But I've been a mod here for 12 years and this is the first time something like this has happened, so I'm happy to entertain other suggestions.

Lastly - I consider the Yamulee fight video to be an example the original mod policy. The post is relevant to the salsa community, and it doesn't violate any rules in and of itself. Yes--the juxtaposition of the OP's 2 only posts implies bias/agenda, but the upvotes/downvotes very clearly pushed the post to negative votes and floated context on the altercation to the very first comment.

That said, I am happy to discuss how to treat videos like this in the future. There is a very real argument that it is not relevant to salsa music or dancing and that it should be removed.

Thanks for reading my novel.


r/Salsa • • 12h ago

Salsa Dancing in South Bay This Weekend, October 21st Thursday - Friday Nights

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Hi Everyone,

Looking for any friendly information on which locations are best for social dancing in the south bay area this weekend, October 21st weekend (Wednesday, Thursday, Friday).

https://www.salsavida.com/guides/sf-bay-area/south-bay/

I am a on 1 and casino/reuda dancer.

Thanks for any friendly direction.


r/Salsa • • 9h ago

What resources did you use as a follow when starting?

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So I recently started picking up On2 and while I can follow as a beginner and have drilled in my basics, I want to start adding sabor/footwork/musicality to my dancing. My area has limited classes offered and as much as I'd love to take classes every day, I can't.

Now I'm wondering what/who are reliable online teachers that offer videos on youtube/IG for drills/techniques that I can look into on my non class days. I've seen a lot just by searching but honestly, as a beginner, I still cant tell which ones are correct and good for my learning journey.

TIA!


r/Salsa • • 15h ago

Hola what is the name of this song?? Finder cannot name it, the words have corazon

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This is song anyone knows??


r/Salsa • • 14h ago

Título: Bailarines de salsa y bachata: ¿Cuánto sueles pagar por vestuarios de presentación?

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r/Salsa • • 1d ago

Different ways to do the fundamental basic

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I've had different instructors explain the basic in different styles.

First way: You step a foot in front by pulling the opposite weight back on 1. On 1a, you shift your weight and twist your hips again, unlocking the next foot to move. I've heard this technique also applies to ballroom. With this basic, the action is more derived from the hips to move the legs.

I call this dancing on the 1a

Second way: The weightshift and the step occur at the same time. The twist of the hips happens the same time as the weight shift. The action here comes from the lower abdomen which initiates movement.

This is what I am calling dancing on the 1

I know the Berardi siblings have their own style of constructing the basic, I've taken a couple classes and his movement seem applicable to both forms of basic.

Have you had the basic explained to you in a different way?


r/Salsa • • 1d ago

Puerto Rico is the right place for jamming Salsa?

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Hey :)
I am a jazz pianist going to travel south and Central America in few months.
I very like playing salsa and looking forward to play with locals, does Puerto Rico is the right place for that? Or am I just dreaming.
I understand that Cali (Colombia) also have strong connection to salsa (of course every country’s salsa genre is slightly different)
Thanks 🙌


r/Salsa • • 1d ago

Salsa practice accountability buddy??

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Hey so this is a little random but I find it really hard to consistently practice between lessons and was wondering if anyone could benefit from an online accountability partner to be consistent with it?

I'm thinking we could connect on discord, we could share songs/playlists, youtube tutorials, inspiration and general updates and chat about how our salsa journey and practice is going.

I've been dancing around 6 months, I did some CBL at the beginning of the year had a gap of a few months and have now been doing Cuban salsa for 3 months. I'm 35F follow, from the UK (GMT +1) with Caribbean heritage. My goal is to plan a trip, probably Cuba, and be totally comfortable/confident dancing socially 💃🏽

I'm not looking for anything intense, just some light accountability, mutual encouragement and sharing of progress/journeys would be awesome.

If this sounds good then dm or comment your age, gender, timezone, whether you lead or follow, what type of salsa and how long you have been dancing for :)

Thanks!


r/Salsa • • 2d ago

Maria Antonieta de las Nieves tocando Percussion em 1983 (Foto Rara)

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r/Salsa • • 2d ago

Anyone wanting to connect more to salsa music?

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Other dancers in my scene have told me several times that they like how much I enjoy the music when I’m dancing, and that they wish they could feel it more themselves. They often say they wish they would connect more with the music but don't know where to start.

I’m neither a musician nor an expert dancer, but I’ve fallen madly in love with salsa. The more I discover, the more I wish I had more people to talk about it with. So I thought, perhaps I could write about my discoveries and maybe my excitement could help other people find their own connection to salsa music?

As a test i've written about three songs that I love to dance to and put them on an Ig account (not the ideal platform, but an easy start): “He Tratado”, “El Gran Varón”, and “Un Verano en Nueva York”. Each one of the 3 texts goes in completely different directions, which is what I find so beautiful about salsa ❤️❤️

Would you be interested in reading something like this? Feedback, wishes, ideas, and new salsa friends are very welcome!

https://www.instagram.com/reflections_of_a_salsa_lover


r/Salsa • • 2d ago

Feedback on my dancing (follow)

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Hello! I have been dancing since June this year and attended my first salsa festival in September

I would love some feedback on my musicality, movement, spins, steps, how I can improve etc. and also I feel like I never know what to do during dance breaks so I would really appreciate tips there! 🙏🏽

I’m the follow in the video. Would love some tips on how I can improve but please be kind 😅


r/Salsa • • 2d ago

What mind-blowing experiences/realizations have you had?

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I'm close to a year into my salsa journey as a male lead. I've had two experiences in the past month that I believe will change the trajectory of my future journey.

First, even though my teacher has been telling the class for months that a good lead doesn't pull the follow, or crank or even stir while leading turns, it's just now that I'm discovering that with experienced follows, I can send a small but clear impulse and she goes, while I'm just along for the ride. It's made connection much more fun.

Second, I danced with a follow last night who moves so well, and who knows my lead well, and I felt a thrill in that dance. It's hard to put words to that experience; it was effortless and great fun and the energetic connection was strong with both of us smiling through the whole song. Now I want to get even better in my basics to have more of those experiences.

What mind-blowing experiences or realizations have you had and how far along are you in your journey?


r/Salsa • • 3d ago

1.5 years of salsa : feedback on my lead?

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I finally found the courage to attend my first international salsa festival aha

It was definitely incredible (and a little bit discouraging tbh lol) to see so many great dancers, but I’d love to get some honest feedback on my leading and hear what I could improve 🫶🏾


r/Salsa • • 2d ago

What moves can one lead from crossed-hand handhold?

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If I have a right-to-right left-to-left handhold, what moves can I lead from there in linear salsa? In particular, I'm interested in moves that will change the handhold to, say, parallel hands with obviously letting go of one hand somewhere in there. I realize that it doesn't matter which of my hands is on top since I can switch that with the appropriate turn for lead or follow.


r/Salsa • • 4d ago

Shoe recommendations that aren’t designed for Latin dance

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Quick background. I am a dance teacher of 16 years (ballet, tap, jazz, etc) and I take advanced Salsa and Bachata classes on the side. My 35 years of dancing are catching up to me and traditional shoes just aren’t working anymore. I’m good in regular sneakers teaching ballet, but want to find something I can do double and triple spins in class. I’m not a fan of Fuego’s of sneakers with spin spots. I noticed a lot of hip hop dancers wearing Sambas and Vans. Does anyone have any recommendations?

Adding: I’m a female follower and sometimes sub in as a leader


r/Salsa • • 4d ago

Dress Code at Berlin Socials

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So I found lots of different posts asking about the different types of socials available in Berlin so I think I'm good there, but I was wondering what the dress code is for these events.

I'm going at the end of November, and I feel like Berlin is generally notorious about their club etiquette and dress codes at the door, so I'm worried about what to wear at salsa socials. I'm staying in Kreuzberg for a week, and know what I'll be wearing at the regular techno and industrial clubs, but I'm clueless about the salsa events.

I'm from the US, and I'm usually wearing sparkly/sequin dresses/skirts/etc when I go salsa dancing here.

EDIT: THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH!!!


r/Salsa • • 5d ago

Best tips to improve alone?

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Hey!

I've been dancing salsa for a while and based on my school levels, I'm on the low-intermediate level. I used to go three times per week but my work has gotten very intense lately and I can only manage one or max. 2 per week.

What are your best tips for practicing alone in the small pockets of time that I have? I watch the videos from the classes and try to practice them, and I also listen and move to a lot of music. But mostly curious to see what has worked well for you guys!


r/Salsa • • 5d ago

Can I practice leading solo?

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I dont have a dance partner and can't go out to dance socials just yet, but i love leading and salsa dancing. I have the foundational movements down and wanted to practice more hand movements, and twirls. Is it possible for me to practice these solo? If so how?


r/Salsa • • 5d ago

I’m back for more feedback - partner work (follow)

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I posted a couple months ago dancing by myself and you all had such nice feedback and I practice what you suggested everyday! I’m back for some advice on my partner work (I’m the follow). I’ve been dancing since July so I’m still quite new but I HATE my turns. In my head I feel great but then I watch the videos back and I feel like I look like a toddler 🤣 aside from spotting better? How I make my turns look cleaner? Any other general feedback is welcomed, too. Thank you! 😊


r/Salsa • • 5d ago

Milan Classes/ Socials

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Hey, can anyone here share their experiences for the training anf socials in milan?

How is it, where to go?

I have abour 4 years in experience and want to reach the next lvl to get better for impro battles etc.

How much is Sosa Academy?

Please help out a fella.

Thanks,

Fabio


r/Salsa • • 5d ago

Salsa and Bachata classes in NYC.

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Hi all, I was wondering about advanced salsa partnerwork and intermediate bacahata in NYC.

I know of empire mambo, LFM, Baso, Joel Salsa and Yamule.

Yamule is too far and I done Joel and Baso and wanted something new. Empire I'm not sure about the vibe, LFM I might try, but is there anyone else that is good?

For Bachata I really don't know anyone. I know Ktown has classes but can't makes does.

Thanks for any info.


r/Salsa • • 6d ago

20 Best Halloween Salsa Songs

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Some of our top picks if you're planning to host a Halloween-themed salsa party!


r/Salsa • • 5d ago

AI App to Identify and Tag Moves in Video Clips?

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I bet lotsa you are like me: you’ve got gobs of videos on your phone from various classes and congresses. You’ve saved bunches of clips from IG. AND, they are miserably unsearchable. You think to yourself, “where’s the one with the traveling outside turn into a hammerlock, then copa?” but have no way to find it, other than maybe if you remember when you saved it.

This seems like a great job for AI.

Any apps out there that can analyze videos, identify the moves, and tag the video with those moves?

I saw a website called LearnSalsa.ai that maybe could do this, but the google authentication to Lovable wasn’t working.

Anyone out there in the salsaverse have something like this?


r/Salsa • • 6d ago

Dance partner Austin

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Im learning salsa but its giving hard time. I forget every step i learn online without partner. Im looking for female partner who wants to practice together sometime.


r/Salsa • • 5d ago

Hey everyone! 👋 Looking for salsa dancers/performers for a private event. If you’re a salsa performer or know someone who’d be interested, please DM me with your details and availability. Let’s connect! 💃🕺🎶

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