r/NightInTheWoods • • Sep 01 '19

News News Regarding Alec Holowka & Future Discussion Guidelines

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UPDATE SEPTEMBER 03: Please read Scott's new post.

UPDATE SEPTEMBER 12: Zoe Quinn released a new statement.

UPDATE OCTOBER 01: Eileen Mary Holowka released a new statement.

UPDATE OCTOBER 28: Scott Benson released a new Backer Update

Content Warning for Suicide, Discussions of Mental Illness, Allegations of Sexual Assault, Abuse, Misconduct

THE EVENTS OF THE PAST WEEK

Earlier this week, developer Zoë Quinn came forward with allegations of past abuse and misconduct by Alec Holowka that they experienced nearly 8 years ago. Since then, many additional people came forward. Some corroborating Zoë's claims, others detailing their own experiences of misconduct in varied severity stretching from the past to more recently. Of particular note, one of the developers who was currently working with Alec on his new game, Albertine Watson, alleged misconduct from as early as this year. Following these allegations, Scott Benson and Bethany Hockenberry, the other developers behind the game, announced that they would be cutting ties with Alec moving forward, as well as canceling a current project. Finji, the game's publisher, also released a statement.

In a crucial statement given to Kickstarter backers of the game, Scott went into detail about this decision, about their history with Alec, their own troubled experience working with him and more. It is an absolute essential thing to read as it addresses many people's concerns and questions and points to how this wasn't about just one person's allegations or anything. It also clears up that Alec wasn't fired from a job, as Infinite Fall is not a company, it's just a name for three people who worked together on Night in the Woods. Please read his statement before commenting (though note that it was written before today's news).

Today, August 31st, Alec's sister Eileen announced that he had passed away.

"Alec Holowka, my brother and best friend, passed away this morning.

Those who know me will know that I believe survivors and I have always done everything I can to support survivors, those suffering from mental illnesses, and those with chronic illnesses. Alec was a victim of abuse and he also spent a lifetime battling mood and personality disorders. I will not pretend that he was not also responsible for causing harm, but deep down he was a person who wanted only to offer people care and kindness. It took him a while to figure out how.

Over the last few years, with therapy and medication, Alec became a new person--the same person he'd always been but without any of the darkness. He was calm and happy, positive and loving. Obviously, change is a slow process and it wasn't perfect, but he was working towards rehabilitation and a better life.

In the last few days, he was supported by many Manitoba crisis services, and I want to thank everyone there for their support. I want to thank Adam Saltsman for staying up late talking with us and reminding Alec that there was a future.

My family has and always will be the most important thing to me. Please give us time to heal. We tried our best to support Alec, but in the end he felt he had lost too much.

I currently do not see a place for myself in games or on Twitter. I will not be looking at the responses to this post. I appreciate everyone who has reached out to me over the last few days. For anyone who is in a time of darkness, I encourage you to reach out for support. There are always people who will be there for you."

In a follow up tweet, Eileen stated, "And in case it's not already fucking obvious, Alec *specifically said* he wished the best for Zoe and everyone else, so don't use our grief as an excuse to harass people. Go outside, take care of someone, and work towards preventing these kinds of things in the first place."

Following the news, many people involved decided to deactivate or make their Twitter accounts private while they processed (and/or following harassment/abuse), which is why links to their tweets no longer work. This applies to Scott Benson, Bethany Hockenberry, Zoë Quinn, Albertine Watson, and Eileen Holowka herself.

Update, September 3rd: Scott Benson's Twitter is now reactivated. Along with it, he posted a lengthy, crucial post. As well as an additional Kickstarter Backer update about it.

Update, September 12th: Zoe Quinn reactivated their Twitter account and released a statement.

Update, October 1st: Eileen Mary Holowka made public their Twitter and released a new statement on Alec and transformative justice

THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD

This thread serves to consolidate all discussion regarding this topic into one place. This is a shitty situation in a million shitty ways. A tragedy for everyone involved, with a huge blast radius affecting a lot of people, and people's feelings are going to be understandably messy. In a time like this, a community coming together, being kind, considerate, compassionate, having empathy for all involved, is crucial.

That being said, this isn't carte blanche to say anything and everything you want. Following past threads on these topics, comments here (and in general) must follow the guidelines below. This is all still extremely fresh and we recognize that emotions are running high, but this subreddit is not the place to attack, harass or demean other users or the people involved.

The cycle of abuse, mental illness, suicidal idealization, rehabilitation and so on are all extremely complex, nuanced and difficult topics and discussions. And pretty much everyone involved deserves sympathy. Now is the time for deescalation. As Patrick Klepek says, "There are no easy answers on days like today, and I’m not gonna pretend like I have them. It’s okay to log off. It’s okay to not add your own take."

We will also be updating this thread as more information and statements are made in the days to come.

DISCUSSION GUIDELINES

  • Follow the subreddit rules and general etiquette, linked in the sidebar.
  • Any comments claiming any of the people involved "have blood on their hands", are "murderers", or are directly responsible/should be blamed, etc, will not be tolerated. Anyone making such comments will face suspension or permanent bans.
  • Any comments expressing joy or happiness or "good riddance" in Alec's passing will also similarly not be tolerated.
  • Any attempts to discredit the multiple individuals who came forward with allegations will not be tolerated.
  • Any personal attacks/harassment/threats will not be tolerated.

If you have any problem with following these guidelines, you are more than welcome to take your comments to any of the other myriad of sites where you can discuss this topic. This subreddit will not be one of them.

There are many sources of support if you or someone you know is affected by suicidal thoughts. In the United States, the National Suicide Prevention Hotline is 1-800-273-8255. In the UK, you can contact the Samaritans by calling 116 123. For other places, please see https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/.


r/NightInTheWoods • • Mar 12 '22

PSA Reminder: This subreddit is not an appropriate place to over-pathologize and diagnose yourself or others with medical conditions

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This game is a work of fiction, and features fictional characters. Projecting or ascribing diagnoses of mental health conditions onto them – much less yourself, or other users here – without formal training in a medical field is not beneficial or appropriate for this subreddit. (Even if one does have medical training, this videogame-focused subreddit is not the ideal place to discuss this topic.) This is especially true if you're a teenager living through times of rapid change and uncomfortableness and unevenness in your own life (not to mention the broader world) – a completely normal yet nonetheless difficult process that everyone goes through.

Related reading about online cultures around mental health: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2021/9/30/22696338/pathologizing-adhd-autism-anxiety-internet-tiktok-twitter

Comments have been turned off on this post, but feel free to PM the mods with any concerns.


r/NightInTheWoods • • 12h ago

Humor My Fall in a nutshell

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Yes, I do go outside and touch grass.🙃


r/NightInTheWoods • • 13h ago

Question (Console) Poor mae :[

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 13h ago

Fanart (NITW: Dark Autumn) “Arlythe” and “The Wrathful Warrior” Spoiler

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Hello again! After mentioning them over and over, I finally have them done! Meet Arlythe and The Wrathful Warrior, the Ralsei and Roaring Knight of Dark Autumn!

Now, let’s start on Arlythe. His name is an anagram of Hartley, and he looks pretty much like Casey. Arlythe is a Darkner created from the memories of Casey, but he is also a tangible object in the Light World; Casey’s missing posters. Arlythe’s weapon is a normal baseball bat. In his first design, he is hiding his true appearance by wearing his hood up and wearing an oversized coat, like how Ralsei hid himself using his hat in Chapter 1. Unlike Ralsei, however, Arlythe isn’t afraid to get physical during enemy encounters and battles only if necessary. If things can be solved peacefully, he’d prefer to do that first. Arlythe behaves a lot like the real Casey, or at least, how the others remember him. His outfit is what was described on the poster as being Casey’s last appearance: a black hooded sweatshirt, jeans and black canvas shoes.

Now onto The Wrathful Warrior. Like in Deltarune, the Warrior is a Lightner. Their weapon is a war hammer. They were created(?) by the cult, and were given the mission to bring The Wrath. The cult foolishly believes The Wrath will somehow bring prosperity back to Possum Springs. More to come at a later time.

After this, I’ll probably draw Lori and Selmers as I’ve had them in mind for a while. Then, I should probably start sharing some of the actual story. XD


r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Fanart Me and my friends [OC]

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Replaying the game made me feel like drawing me and the besties in the NITW style.


r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Discussion New here:) is that the real ending?

67 Upvotes

I do wanna say I LOVED the game! But the ending felt very sudden? Like I expected there to be way more depth at the end. I did some digging and apparently a lot of people feel similar? Was there meant to be a part 2?


r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Question (General) When is the exact date this game starts?

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362 Upvotes

I just roughly know that its between September - November but thats about it


r/NightInTheWoods • • 2d ago

Screenshot replaying NITW and I forgot how adorable Mae’s Harfest outfit is 😭

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366 Upvotes

r/NightInTheWoods • • 2d ago

Fanart Wanted to post my pyrography thing I did in class

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151 Upvotes

One of the coolest things I ever did in school


r/NightInTheWoods • • 1d ago

Discussion I wrote some lyrics to sing for cycles 1 and would like some constructive criticism (lyrics in body)

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The world turns though i'm shattered, do i even matter? No i don't know why, if i'm living, or if i've died.

The moon waxing waning, but stays still when in a painting. I hope you're fine whoever you are, i hope you're ok whereever you are...

But i'm still lost... somewhere within me

But i'm still lost... somewhere within

But i'm still lost... somewhere within me

But i'm still lost somewhere within me...


r/NightInTheWoods • • 2d ago

film poster for nitw (made by Lori M., of course)

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I like to imagine Mae tells Lori about what went down in the woods/caves at some point, and she makes a movie about what happened.

Autumn times, Autumn crimes.


r/NightInTheWoods • • 2d ago

Fanart My NITW Mae cosplay!

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r/NightInTheWoods • • 2d ago

Fanart MaeBeaGerm - by me

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340 Upvotes

'tis the season again...and that means another playthrough of NITW! Honestly I've never attempted to draw some of the gang before. Mae, Bea and Germ were always my fave :3
Anyone else doing an Autumn run? 🍂


r/NightInTheWoods • • 2d ago

Fanart Mae doodle (done by me)

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Doing this character template for fun, and I debated so many characters for the ''by plot'' slot, but Night in the woods left such a profound impact on me as a teenager.
I also thought about games like Sally face, or Fran bow :)


r/NightInTheWoods • • 2d ago

Fanart Mae Got Nightmare Eyes!!

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133 Upvotes

Posted a drawing of Mae on Tumblr four years ago similar to this, and now that it’s NITW season I decided to redraw it! I really like how it turned out, Mae is one of my favorite characters of all time. :)


r/NightInTheWoods • • 2d ago

Humor Been a while since I did a Jenny and Mae post

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101 Upvotes

r/NightInTheWoods • • 3d ago

More eff art of mine

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555 Upvotes

This is from 3 years ago. This time it's finished. Hip hip


r/NightInTheWoods • • 3d ago

Fanart Кіт! Ти маму мала?

267 Upvotes

(made by me)

Original post


r/NightInTheWoods • • 3d ago

Fanart Some artwork I didn't finished

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126 Upvotes

Because I DID make it to the college


r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

My study companion stickers

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432 Upvotes

r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Fanart Witchdagger Pumpkin :)

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406 Upvotes

r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Discussion Looking back at your first playthrough, what made you love this game, and which scene stayed with you forever? By Scott Benson:

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900 Upvotes

By Scott Benson


r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Humor Caught the niche reference

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92 Upvotes

r/NightInTheWoods • • 4d ago

Question (General) Is this legit?

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I just learned about the re-release of the vinyl and went to order it on the official websites but it’s sold out. So I kept searching and found this listing on the page “midland records”. Does anyone know if this is legitimate or a fake?

I really wanna get my hands on it. I already have the limited run collector’s box, and I wanna add to my collection, especially if this is gonna go up in price in the future (the older vinyl’s prices are not very budget friendly 😞)

So I’d love to know if anyone’s ordered from them before/pre-ordered with them. Thanks!