Hey All. First time posting here.
I just had an issue, while camping with a friend, that kind of blew up into a fight. He is essentially a traditional dog training type person (someone who has owned dogs his whole life and just figured out what works for him and his dogs, over the last several decades, never read anything on the subject, watched Ceasar Milan a bunch of times and…. Has really well behaved dogs.)
I, on the other hand, am new to dog ownership, though I’ve had several conversations with people over the years. I never wanted a dog because I consider myself a responsible dog owner and, having never had the time to properly raise and care for a dog, I just avoided having them. Recently, (last few years) I’ve got a lot more time, a sufficient yard, etc, and so I’ve had a few dogs. (One dog I don’t have anymore… super long story that but, he was the most substantial era of my research into training. (now I’ve got a three year old frenchie (talk about difficult training..) and a one year old chocolate lab.
So I’m camping with my “traditional friend” we’re in the middle of nowhere, not a soul within 30 miles around us so, our dogs are off leash, having a great time being dogs.
I feed my two dogs separately as always, because the lab won’t stay away from the frenchies food otherwise. They finish their food. All is good except they are both still a little hungry cause the vet has them on diets. (Too many training treats!!)
My friend feeds his dog out in the open. His dog does not eat. So there is a bowl of food just out in the open, easy for my lab to get at.
You guessed it. My lab is HYPER focused on trying to get his dogs food.
I’m kinda used to being on top of this “stuborn” dog. He’s got instant recall, he sits. Lays down, stays, and does all kinds of other basic cues but… he also likes getting into stuff and tunes me out when I try to stop him.
I try to work on a lot of positive redirection. (Here, do this instead) but, a lot of time it’s just endless. “Hey!” “Stop It” “leave it!”
A lot of times this works and he’ll stop. But…. A bowl of food just sitting in the open… at a campsite….
I don’t want to tell my friend what to do with his dog bowl so, I was on constant vigilance management mode.
Every minute or so, I’m telling my dog to stop trying to get the bowl of food. He stops as cued… but then the second I look away, he’s back at it. I tell him again. He stops again. I look away. He’s back at it.
In retrospect, there was no way to stop this food drive other than to remove my dog, which would have resulted into never ending demand-barking…. And, who wants to put their dog away while you’re out camping anyway… or, we should have removed the food.
But my friend felt that he should have been able to leave the food out and I should have been able to better control my dog from trying to get it.
He was very specific… as a guy who knows everything about dog training… that I need to command my dog with the word NO!!
I responded that I had been taught by several trainers and a lot of reading that “no” is not a great tool. Often times I’ll learn something and internalize it (so I’ll don’t use the word no) but I’ll kind of forget the details as to why.
So my friend is insisting that I use the word no, like any good dog trainer and, that I’m too wishy washy.
He demonstrates. “NO!!” The dog responds exactly as he had to me, every time I used any other cue. And as soon as we weren’t looking, the dog is back to the food. (Not once did either of us consider removing the damned food!
Well, this all blew up into a huge fight about me feeling like I don’t need to be told by another person how to raise my dogs and, generally feeling like I am seen as being weak and ineffective and inexperienced without any respect for the intense energy (not to mention money!) and reading, and working with professionals and by myself, that I’ve dedicated to my dogs.
At the end of the day, my friend is frustrated with me because I won’t listen to him and “the majority of dog trainers” and just teach my dog this simple command, “NO!”
And I’m left feeling like my dogs are out of control and won’t obey my every command because, perhaps, I’ve chosen to follow a wishy washy line of thinking, where it’s bad to use certain words on dogs. Like…. Why is it okay to say “leave It” or “ah ah” but not, No.
At the same time, none of these words would work anyway because hungry lab is going to hungry lab. So does this leave me as a terrible trainer whose dogs walk all over him?
I’d like to know what the community thinks about saying “no” to your dog. And, what would you have done in a situation where there is food on the ground that my dog is not allowed to eat but, we’re out camping and, leashing him would be begging for demand-barking which I’m actively working on curtailing.
Lots to address here? Ignore away if you want. Maybe I’m just trying to vent. But any feedback or advice would help me settle my mind a little.
I should have asked to remove the bowl but I chose, instead, to be on management duty and just continue to keep my dog away from the food. Should I change my thinking and figure out a commanding NO cue
Thanks in advance.