r/DebateVaccines • • Jun 22 '21

Bitchute links are automatically removed by Reddit

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I manually approve removed posts and comments which contain Bitchute links but Reddit automatically removes them later. I don't know what I can do about that. If anyone has any ideas, let me know.


r/DebateVaccines • • May 10 '23

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r/DebateVaccines • • 6h ago

Question Reporter question for any vaccine-skeptical voters in Michigan

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Hey everyone! I'm a freelance reporter working on a story for the Washington Sun (link below), about how folks who align with MAHA/RFK in Michigan are feeling about the Michigan Senate race. Abdul El-Sayed put out a "Building a Healthier America" plan that includes similar policies to some of RFK's platform, and Mike Rogers has taken an anti-vaccine mandate position in the past.

I'd love to chat with any MAHA-aligned folks in Michigan about the two candidates — who you like, what policies stand out to you, etc. I don't care which party you are in, and it's okay if you haven't decided who you're voting for yet. I'm most interested in hearing from people whose decisions are influenced to some extent by the MAHA policies of the candidates - pesticides, school lunches, vaccines, etc. Also, if you're more comfortable just using your first name, we can discuss that.

If you're willing to chat, you can comment below here, dm me, or email me at nataliefertig [at] gmail [dot] com. I'm linking to my website (below) so you can see I'm a legitimate reporter, and to the Washington Sun, who I am writing for. Thank you!

website: nataliefertig [dot] com

Washington Sun: www [dot] washingtonsun [dot] com


r/DebateVaccines • • 1d ago

Question Madagascar, HaĂŻti extremely low vaccinated rates doing well.

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Why they doing well and why the rest off the world suffering from new covid variants?. The only explanation for me is that their immunity not be dammaged by multiple deadly vaccination shots.


r/DebateVaccines • • 1d ago

More than 4,400 measles cases reported in US as CDC plans to send 'disease detective' to Pennsylvania

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The CDC shared in it its update that about 96% of cases are among people who are unvaccinated or whose vaccination status is unknown, according to agency data.


r/DebateVaccines • • 1d ago

AMH rebound 10 months after vaccines

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I should preface this by saying I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I want to share what happened to me in case it's helpful to anyone.

I was 40 last year and had been testing my AMH fairly regularly over the last couple of years. It was always fine for my age hovering around 2 ng/ml (14 pmol/L). About 10 months ago I took a bunch of vaccines including a live yellow fever vaccine in preparation for a trip to Ethiopia. The following month my AMH was tested again in preparation for an egg retrieval and it had tanked by 70% to 0.7 ng/ml (5 pmol/L). It remained low over the next 8 months, I did 2 cycles with disappointing results.
My friend sent me this Turkish study on the impact of Covid vaccines on amh. Many of the women in this study experienced a decline in AMH level and menstrual irregularities following the vaccine. There was a significant recovery in AMH levels at month 9.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36919413/

Remarkably at month 10 I tested again and my amh levels had rebounded to its pre-vaccination levels with a result of 2.2 ng/ml. I should mention that all of my testing was done at the same lab with a cross check of some of the results at Weil Cornell (they matched).

I know the Turkish study has its limitations, and it could all be a coincidence, but seeing my results really took me by surprise and made me wonder!


r/DebateVaccines • • 1d ago

COVID-19 Vaccines 13 Potential LIFE-CHANGING Treatments for COVID-19 Vaccine Injury

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r/DebateVaccines • • 2d ago

Question For years I struggled…

Post image
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As the subject line says, for years I struggled to eloquently

convince 1st time pre-natal parents that they need to make a difficult decision on the day when their baby is born.

My vax cautionary tale was anecdotal, but it was passionate and heart-felt.

I showed them the precipitous decline of the USA’s infant mortality ranking #’s and how the worldwide leaders in dramatically improving their infant mortality (Singapore & Sweden) were who we should be looking to emulate.

Now, for the first time; I feel the data is there.

I am sharing in this format:

Image: image above can be found on page 19 of the following document:

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Entered-into-hearing-record-Impact-of-Childhood-Vaccination-on-Short-and-Long-Term-Chronic-Health-Outcomes-in-Children-A-Birth-Cohort-Study.pdf

Cspan clip: (need to fix typo in title)

https://www.c-span.org/clip/senate-committee/user-clip-unsafe-a-well-designed-study-to-reduce-vaccine-hesitancy-in-parents-proved-vaccines-safety-should-be-quesioned/5192645

Full Video:

https://www.c-span.org/program/senate-committee/senate-homeland-security-subcommittee-hearing-on-vaccines-policy/665350

Award-winning Documentary:
WATCH NOW | An Inconvenient Study
https://www.aninconvenientstudy.com/

Siri Testimony Document 1:

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/Siri%20Testimony.pdf

PDF 2:

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Siri-Testimony.pdf

Is there anything I should be adding or including to get them to open-mindedly seek the truth in the best interest of their child’s health?

TIA


r/DebateVaccines • • 2d ago

Bill Gates Dutch court case gets a major reversal of expert witness testimony!!! Major win... NOW with tons of links...

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Dr. Mike Yeadon, Sasha Latypova, Catherine Austin Fitts and Dr. Joseph Sansone’s expert evidence WILL BE HEARD! Links: https://www.google.com/search?q=bill+gates+reversal+expert+witness+netherlands&sca_esv=90c58dd08e43b2c3&sxsrf=APpeQnvOgzGTYMt6wJguYUE2tq_kdKNH-w%3A1792164239345&ei=j0HSapu9FNrlwN4P8--r6As&biw=1239&bih=655&oq=bill+gates+reversal+expert+witness+nether&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiKWJpbGwgZ2F0ZXMgcmV2ZXJzYWwgZXhwZXJ0IHdpdG5lc3MgbmV0aGVyKgUIABigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAFIh2RQzyNYl0ZwAXgBkAEAmAHfAqABpgyqAQcwLjMuMy4xuAEByAEA-AEBmAIIoAKyDsICChAAGEcY1gQYsAPCAgUQIRirApgDAIgGAZAGBZIHCTEuMi40LjAuMaAHvCayBwkwLjIuNC4wLjG4B58OwgcFMi00LjTIB0CACAE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

https://londondaily.com/rtrmnp-dutch-court-orders-bill-gates-to-stand-trial-over-covid-19-vaccine-allegations

https://slguardian.org/dutch-court-orders-bill-gates-to-face-trial-over-covid-19-vaccine-injuries/ https://www.lifestylenetworth.com/celebrity/bill-gates-dutch-court/ https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/expert-evidence-admitted-against https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3YNpPPwBPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-9S-DjDns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRfU-Iw0On8 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DmqkxiUduqc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I

Following two powerful legal challenges by Attorney Peter Stassen, the Dutch Court has reversed its position, allowing 3 HOURS AND 19 MINUTES OF SWORN EXPERT TESTIMONY from the plaintiff’s nominated expert witnesses to be exhibited as evidence ahead of the landmark 22 OCTOBER HEARING in the case against Bill Gates et al!

Defendants include Bill Gates, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, former Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, the Dutch State, and about a dozen others (politicians, scientists, and media figures).

Bill Gates , Pfizer's CEO and Mark Rutte are in a Dutch courtroom Thursday over COVID vaccine injuries .
Two of the richest men and nothing been reported in mainstream world news?
Two plaintiffs are dead . Gates tried to claim the Dutch court had no power over him .
They laughed !
MSN wont touch this why?

The world should be watching this to see the outcome because a lot of people have died or have been left with serious disabilities due to him and his company..

It is scheduled for Thursday, 22 October 2026, starting at 12:30 local time (CET) at the District Court of the Northern Netherlands (Rechtbank Noord-Nederland) in Leeuwarden. This is the first substantive (on-the-merits) oral hearing in a civil lawsuit filed in July 2023 by (originally) seven Dutch plaintiffs who claim injury from COVID-19 vaccinations. Two of the plaintiffs have since died. Please take the time to read and watch ALL of the links before commenting...


r/DebateVaccines • • 2d ago

Question If you chose not to vaccinate did child go whole childhood unvaccinated?

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My son is 14 months I’ve declined vaccines at every visit and he hasn’t had any vaccines since birth. He was EBF for 10 months he never gets sick but also isn’t in daycare or around a bunch of kids only family members. If you didn’t vaccinate your child did you just decline throughout their time in elementary middle and high school or did you give them vaccines as they got into school? Just curious


r/DebateVaccines • • 2d ago

UK's Covid vaccine compensation scheme set for overhaul after Inquiry criticism

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r/DebateVaccines • • 2d ago

Poll How many of you have lost a child to SIDS vaxxed/unvaxxed?

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47 votes, 4d left
Yes SIDS, yes VAX
Yes SIDS, no VAX
No SIDS, yes VAX
No SIDS, no VAX

r/DebateVaccines • • 3d ago

Question Is pro-vaccine science based on trustworthy data?

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It really makes you wonder when they pretty much all have conflicts of interest.


r/DebateVaccines • • 2d ago

The idea of vaccines torments me

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H wow


r/DebateVaccines • • 3d ago

Conventional Vaccines Child heath checks around the world

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My twins have been for their NHS development and growth review today, this is done between 10 and 12 months of age. No concerns found - everything is spot on with them both.

Nurse went though their notes and said “you’re not
Vaccinating?” We replied no, and their response was “ok, that’s fine” and onto the next question. It’s been the same experience with the GP - no questioning or pushing at all. Medical staff don’t bat an eye.

It sparked my curiosity as to how that conversation typically goes in other countries?


r/DebateVaccines • • 3d ago

The Purpose Of A System Is To Do What It Does

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What the system does

The system's function, read from its outputs:

  1. It tests the wrong question. Every study asks "does vaccine X add risk on top of the other vaccines?" rather than "does the cumulative immunological burden cross a threshold in a susceptible child?" The question is chosen because it's answerable with existing infrastructure (EHR, registries) and because a null result is publishable and fundable.
  2. It measures what it can measure, not what's relevant. ICD codes don't capture temporal-vaccination relationships. EHR structured data doesn't capture the clinician's causal suspicion. VAERS underreports by ~100×. The measurement system is not broken — it's adequate for the questions it's designed to answer, which are not the questions being asked.
  3. It closes the question once consensus is declared. After the 2004 IOM report and the 2012 IOM report, the question "do vaccines cause autism?" is treated as settled. No new studies are funded to test the untested hypotheses (individual vaccines against zero-vaccine comparators, GxE interactions, cumulative threshold effects). The consensus functions as a stopping rule: once it's declared, the evidence base is frozen and the question is no longer open.
  4. It rewards null results and suppresses positive signals. A study that finds "no association" is publishable, fundable, and career-advancing. A study that finds a signal (Mawson, Daley, Gallagher) is retracted, criticized, or ignored. The publication incentive structure is not neutral. It is directionally biased toward the null.
  5. It conflates "insufficient evidence" with "no association." The IOM's own language for DTaP and HepB is "insufficient evidence to accept or reject." That gets translated in public communication to "no link found." These are different claims. The first says "we haven't tested this." The second says "we tested this and it's null."

This is the result of a discussion with Brave AI. If your comment is about criticising the use of AI without addressing the content of this post, you will be blocked.


r/DebateVaccines • • 3d ago

From the ContagionCuriosity community on Reddit: Measles outbreaks could leave thousands vulnerable to infectious diseases for years

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r/DebateVaccines • • 4d ago

Pro-vaxxers, do you think it's unreasonable for me to observe that a lot of pro-vax seem to hold a view along the lines of: “You can't possibly be right, because that would mean thousands of experts, doctors, studies, and the scientific consensus were all wrong, and that's simply impossible!”?

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And if you do, why do you think that is the case? And don't you think that this would inevitably affect the way you evaluate evidence, data, and arguments?

If you've already decided that my position is inherently implausible because it would require you to accept that thousands of experts, doctors, and scientific papers could be wrong, or that your entire worldview along with billions of other people could be completely wrong in a very critical way, then haven't you already pre decided the conclusion about what is true before properly examining the evidence?

More importantly, doesn't that suggest that evidence, data, and reasoning aren't actually at the forefront of your epistemology? Because if you've already established what you consider possible or impossible based on your prior trust in authority and consensus, then you're not simply following the evidence wherever it leads. You're using your existing beliefs about who can and cannot be wrong to determine which conclusions you're willing to entertain in the first place.

I was debating someone in this subreddit the other day who told me that they weren't going to change their mind until the scientific consensus changed theirs. But think about what that actually means. They're literally saying that they won't reconsider their position until the very institutions and collective body of experts whose conclusions they're questioning have reconsidered theirs, and the ultimate irony is that many of the people in that collective body are probably thinking the same thing, so in other words what they are saying is that they won't accept something as true until the people who got it wrong, accept they did get it wrong.

So what, exactly, is the role of evidence, data, and reasoning in this process? If you've already decided that your position cannot be wrong until the consensus acknowledges that it is, then what could an individual possibly present to you that would change your mind? You're not going to to be able to evaluate the argument on its merits. You've established in advance that the conclusion is unacceptable unless those that got it wrong have already accepted it.

And this is precisely the problem I'm getting at much of the time. If your starting assumption is that thousands of experts, doctors, and scientific papers cannot collectively be wrong, then you've effectively made your position immune to challenge. The possibility that the consensus might be mistaken isn't something you're willing to investigate through the evidence. It's something you've already ruled out before the investigation even begins. At that point, are you actually following the evidence wherever it leads, or are you simply fixated on peddling the consensus and treating its agreement as a prerequisite for deciding what is true?

The problem is that people operating from this mindset often don't realise they're doing it. They genuinely believe they're evaluating the evidence objectively and arriving at the correct conclusions through reason and data. But , what if they're merely convincing themselves they're arriving through reason and data, because, at a deeper psychological level, they simply cannot afford to be wrong? If accepting the possibility that the consensus is mistaken means confronting the fact that something they've so deeply pushed and soo deeply trusted, might be fundamentally wrong, then the psychological consequences are... existentially devastating. They may therefore unconsciously rationalise away contradictory evidence, subject it to disproportionate scrutiny, or find reasons to dismiss it, all while sincerely believing they're being objective.


r/DebateVaccines • • 4d ago

Craigslist blocked my Vax Post

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For those not familiar with Craigslist, there is a “gigs” section where someone in need of a person or persons to provide a service can post odd jobs like moving, car repairs, cleaning, medical testing, modeling, landscaping, etc… I’ve used Craigslist for over a decade and have posted over 1000 gigs bc I own a service business and always need labor. You can post ANYTHING in Gigs and people will contact you. Even if it’s an impossible task and you’re offering zero dollars, people will still contact you. Sometimes it’s scammers but you will still get multiple responses. However, recently I posted in three cities (NYC, LA, Miami) asking people to tell me if they have given their child a vaccine and have seen any adverse reaction. I offered $1000 dollars and for the first time in history, I received zero responses… crickets. I then used VPN from multiple different computers and looked for the gig but it was not findable. I asked Claude, then ChatGPT to find it. They could not. It still showed active on my account… Craigslist shadow blocked it from being seen by anyone… Why would they do that?


r/DebateVaccines • • 4d ago

Question A very important thing people on both sides overlook in terms of how much it affects people's ethical perspective on vaccination, that is -> Aggregate benefits can be positive, while individual risk can be negative.

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One of the most under discussed issues is the distribution of risks and benefits. people bearing the harms and the people receiving the gains are not the same.

a vaccine that meaningfully reduces mortality or severe disease in the immunocompromised through herd immunity, means the serious adverse events land disproportionately on healthy children who faced near-zero personal risk from the disease itself. The net societal calculation can still come out positive, yet the healthy kid who develops a severe reaction experiences a loss. Their individual risk-benefit was negative even if the population-level one was positive.

So I wonder, assuming pro-vaxxers are right, can any pro vaxxer actually prove that the people receiving the vaccine harm however small it may be are actually receiving enough benefit from the overall aggregate data to override the likelihood of that harm?


r/DebateVaccines • • 4d ago

Those of you who express many anti-vax positions seem antisocial, and that’s a very sad thing.

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All the debate here is individual rights and winning the “I’m right you’re wrong” argument.

In the 1950s about at least 60,000 people a year got polio - most with lifelong consequences including perpetual ventilation - and 3,000 deaths per year. Then the Salk vaccine came out. It wasn’t perfect. But people flocked to get it. And polio was “eradicated”.

But in my case, I had a terrible (temporary) adverse reaction to the vaccine a few decades later. I was hospitalized. My parents said “yes, but you won’t get polio. And, as important, you’ll never give it to anyone who will suffer or die from it”. I guess those were more religious times.

So now many of you can opt out with relative safety and say “my not getting it won’t make a difference”.

Obviously if you are the only one you are right since no one can give it to you. But you are not alone. So eventually 1% don’t take it. Then 2%. Eventually it becomes contagious again.

However, what you can “get away with” to please yourself means you contribute - although t first a tiny amount - to the chance that an innocent child suffers or dies of polio. In part because you do add to that risk. But also because a number of you say “no one will notice if I, too, steal a little from the register.”

I’m not gonna argue a lot. Frankly I’m sick of it in this sub.

But I will say this: I would never be able to live with myself if my selfish action ever led - even possibly - to a child suffering, being maimed or dying. I guess that’s how I was raised. As my parents reminded me.

Fundamentally this isn’t about individual “rights” - even though 99% of this sub is. It’s about not being antisocial and selfish. Which is to say it’s about imagining the suffering of others. It’s about empathy, really. Caring about other people.

So here’s my final take before I unjoin this sub.

I don’t know how you could live with yourself. I think morals matter. I think people matter. And I pity you for not feeling that way. I have no idea what happened in your upbringing that touched so much time on Reddit arguing your rights, and trying to disprove what we know: vaccines have immensely decreased suffering, injury, and death - largely among innocent children.

That’s it. I’m done. Good luck to you all


r/DebateVaccines • • 5d ago

The goal of science is to establish what is true, not to manipulate public perception, manufacture confidence, or protect an existing narrative from scrutiny. And yet, when it comes to vaccine policy, far too often the priority appears to be securing compliance first, preventing doubt first.

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If you are going to promote, prescribe, or mandate an extensive programme of pharmaceutical interventions across entire populations, then you had better be prepared to do the rigorous, comprehensive work necessary to justify that programme. Not the bare minimum required to obtain regulatory approval. Not a handful of vaguely relevant narrowly focused, highly manufactured studies defensively presented as though they settle the entire debate. Not an endless parade of vague citations that may or may not even be fully relevant to the concerns being raised, intended to gishgallop critics into submission.

The goal should be; accepting the limitations of existing evidence, investigating safety concerns, conducting rigorous long-term surveillance, making relevant data transparent, and being honest about what is known, what is uncertain, and what has never been adequately investigated.

And no, simply pointing to the existence of studies does not settle the argument. The question is whether those studies are sufficiently rigorous, comprehensive, and relevant to support the conclusions being drawn from them, and whether they address the actual concerns or actually sufficiently demonstrate the vaccine program.

Repeating that vaccines are safe because studies say they are safe, while refusing to seriously examine whether the available studies truly justify that specific confidence, is not an argument.

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Something particularly revealing is the tendency for pro-vaxxers to frame deeper research as an expensive, pointless, unnecessary efforts to appease anti-vaxxers unwarranted concerns, while simultaneously citing the results of that very research as valuable important evidence that vaccines are safe.

You cannot have it both ways. If those investigations produce valuable evidence that you want to cite, then they serve a legitimate scientific purpose. If the evidence is important enough to cite when it supports your position, you cannot simply dismiss the demand for it as an unnecessary waste of time when anit-vaxxers ask for it to be done.

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An underlying problem is the apparent substitution of narrative protection for scientific investigation. The moment your primary concern becomes whether investigating a question might increase vaccine hesitancy, you have introduced a weak political objective into the scientific process. You are no longer engaging in ''what is the truth'', when you are deciding what the public should be allowed to see, what uncertainties are safe to acknowledge, and which questions are too inconvenient to pursue. That is an extraordinarily dangerous mindset for anyone claiming scientific authority over decisions affecting millions of people.

And spare us the argument that further investigation might undermine public confidence. If confidence depends on avoiding questions that might expose limitations in the evidence, then that confidence is being protected from scrutiny rather than earned through it. You do not get to demand extraordinary levels of public trust while treating the process of earning that trust as an obstacle to your objectives. Nor do you get to insist that people accept interventions with confidence and certainty while simultaneously arguing that the research needed to justify that confidence is too expensive, too difficult, awkward or too impractical to conduct.

The appropriate response to a criticism is to evaluate its evidential basis, not to determine whether entertaining it would be convenient for public health messaging.

And if you genuinely believe vaccine hesitancy poses a serious public health problem, then perhaps you should consider how much your own conduct contributes to it. Treating concerned people as idiots, dismissing their questions without properly addressing them, selectively presenting reassuring ''evidence'', and behaving as though acknowledging uncertainty is a concession to the enemy are excellent ways to destroy trust. You cannot spend years telling people to trust the science while demonstrating, through your own behaviour, that you are more interested in defending a position than in examining it scientifically.

The burden of proof belongs to those making the claims and demanding compliance. The more extensive the program, and the more coercive the policies surrounding it, the greater the responsibility to establish that its benefits justify its risks or that the risks are definitely greatly outweighed by the benefits, and, also, unavoidable... (even for risks that are very low you can't just assume that those risks are not avoidable).

Ultimately, the objective of public health should be to establish what is true and act responsibly on the basis of that knowledge. It should not be to maximise compliance at any cost, suppress uncertainty because it is inconvenient, or manage public perception until dissent becomes politically harmless.

If your position is scientifically robust, subject it to scrutiny. If your evidence is strong, defend it. If your conclusions have limitations, acknowledge them. And if there are legitimate questions you have not adequately investigated, do the work.

You do not earn scientific authority by demanding that people trust you. You earn it by demonstrating that you are willing to follow the evidence wherever it leads, even when the findings are inconvenient, politically damaging, or liable to complicate the message you want the public to hear.

The moment you become more concerned with protecting confidence in your conclusions than with testing whether those conclusions are justified, you have abandoned the very principle that makes science worth trusting in the first place.


r/DebateVaccines • • 5d ago

Question If vaccines did cause autism, could they cause it in teenagers too?

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Hey, my parents are anti-vaxxers, and they don’t want me to get the Tdap shot

I haven’t discussed this topic much with them, but from my understanding, they think autism and other health problems can be caused by vaccines

I don’t want to discuss whether or not vaccines do cause autism or not, but rather, if we assume for the sake of this argument that it’s true, and the alleged cases mostly involve children under the age of 3, why would getting vaccinated as a teenager be a concern?

Are there any other potential health risks I should know about besides autism?

For context, I suspect I might be autistic myself, although I haven’t been diagnosed

I’d appreciate any comments that actually answer my question instead of just calling me stupid or using random slurs, thanks


r/DebateVaccines • • 5d ago

Fauci must speak

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As a long covid victim from a lab made virus I am confused why one off the virus creator's can go on to shout up. Millions off people worldwide suffering and this is just the beginning. Millions of people are dead already. As a kid I watched RAMBO first blood. Johnny Rambo in a prison cell who don't want answer the questions. Than he go on the run . They tried everything to get a word out of him. I ask my self why in the world is it possible for a serial killer who probably have the knowledge for a solution to save the life's off people worldwide to shut is mouth. I think that Fauci and is loved ones and a bunch off other rich ones have already the medicines and knowledge to survive the bio attack Covid 19. I had a dream last night Fauci be pressed to give the secret solution and guess what? He escaped from the court house and go on the run to the Hollywood Hills. There he dig Im self in. At the end president Trump with a microphone asking to surrender.


r/DebateVaccines • • 5d ago

Conventional Vaccines Why do antivaxxers focus only on vaccines?

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Let's call it what it is: when the concern is about vaccine injury the concern is about potential side effects of vaccines.

All medications have side effects. Antibiotics a lot of the time have riskier and more prevalent side effects than vaccines by far that are actually scientifically well documented. This is a quick list from chatgpt:

Severe intestinal inflammation (C. difficile colitis): Can cause severe diarrhea, colon damage, and sometimes sepsis. Esophageal ulcers: Some antibiotics, especially doxycycline, can damage the tube connecting the mouth to the stomach. Severe allergic reactions (anaphylaxis): Can cause throat swelling, breathing difficulty, and collapse. Severe skin reactions: Rare reactions such as Stevens–Johnson syndrome can cause blistering, skin peeling, and damage to the mouth or eyes. Liver injury: Certain antibiotics can cause liver inflammation or damage. Kidney damage: Particularly associated with injectable antibiotics such as gentamicin. Permanent hearing loss: Can occur with certain antibiotics, especially aminoglycosides such as gentamicin. Tendon rupture: Associated with fluoroquinolones such as ciprofloxacin and levofloxacin. Lasting nerve damage: Some antibiotics can cause persistent numbness, tingling, burning, or weakness. Dangerous heart rhythms: Certain antibiotics, including azithromycin, can disrupt the heart’s electrical rhythm. Severe low blood sugar: Fluoroquinolones can sometimes cause dangerously low blood sugar. Confusion or delirium: Serious nervous-system effects can occur with some antibiotics. Aortic aneurysm rupture or tear: A rare complication associated with fluoroquinolones, especially in people already at risk.

AND YET: not a single antivaxxer I know is anti all medicine. In fact the antivaxxer in my life tends to push for antibiotics even when it could be a viral cold.

Imo that's pure hypocrisy.