r/Anarcho_Capitalism • u/PM_ME_YOUR_LAWNCHAIR • 16h ago
The thing anti-gun types tell you NEVER happens literally just happened again.
There are several documented cases of armed civilians stopping active-shooter attacks before police could intervene. This incident: on October 15, 2026, an armed community member intervened during the shooting at Silver Rail Elementary School in Bend, Oregon, pursuing and fatally shooting the 16-year-old gunman. Four victims, including three children, were killed, and two others were critically injured. When seconds matter, the police are minutes away.
This is not an isolated example. In July 2022, 22-year-old Elisjsha Dicken stopped a gunman at Greenwood Park Mall in Indiana, killing him after he had killed three people and wounded two others. Police praised Dicken for acting quickly, and surveillance footage showed the shooting lasting only seconds before he intervened. In December 2019, Jack Wilson, a volunteer security team member carrying a firearm, fatally shot a gunman who opened fire during a church service at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas. Two people were killed, including the gunman, and the intervention ended the attack. In June 2022, an armed civilian also stopped a gunman who opened fire at a party outside an apartment complex in Charleston, West Virginia. These are documented cases, not hypothetical scenarios.
The statistics and definitions also matter. The FBI recorded 24 active-shooter incidents in the United States in 2024, down 50% from 48 in 2023. The FBI defines an active shooter as someone actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. That is a much more specific category than the numbers commonly circulated in debates about school shootings or gun violence. These attacks are real and devastating, but they are not occurring everywhere, every day. I'll contextualize it like this: you are much more likely to be struck by lightning or die in a bathtub than to be killed in an active-shooter incident.
The definition of a school shooting is another major problem. The K-12 School Shooting Database uses an exceptionally broad definition: a gun being fired, brandished with intent, or a bullet striking school property can qualify, regardless of whether anyone is injured, whether school is in session, or why the incident occurred. That means its totals include gang disputes, domestic violence, suicides, accidental discharges, after-hours incidents and shootings that have NOTHING to do with an attack on students and teachers. Which statistic does the media use? The big number, of course! If it bleeds, it leads. Don't forget, they'll also use raw numbers rather than percentages or rates, so you don't have the proper frame of reference.
Consider two specific incidents. In January 2013, police pursued a man suspected of shooting his mother to the grounds of Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal Catholic School in Montebello, California. The suspect, armed with a shotgun, was shot by police on school property. School was not in session, although students and teachers were participating in after-school activities, and nobody else was injured. In June 2026, police pursued a suspect accused of shooting a woman on Long Island to the area around Trinity Elementary School in New Rochelle, New York. Students and families were participating in a field day when the suspect fled on foot near the school grounds. Nobody at the school was harmed. These are the kinds of incidents that can appear in broad school-shooting statistics, despite having nothing to do with a gunman targeting students or teachers.
The hypocrisy is what gets me. Liberal voters don't even call them school gun incidents; they simply call them "school shootings" to purposely mislead Americans about their actual risk. The left, rightfully so, doesn't trust the police, but they also don't want civilians to be able to own firearms. "Common sense" gun laws always start small and end with mass confiscation, and apparently with your populace going to prison for memes like we see in the UK and Canada.
There is a fundamental difference between counting every firearm-related incident associated with school property and counting targeted attacks on students and teachers. The same applies to mass shootings: depending on the definition, the term can include targeted disputes and other incidents that are fundamentally different from an indiscriminate public rampage. FBI active-shooter statistics provide a more focused measure of attacks in which someone is actively trying to kill people in a populated area. Those attacks remain a serious public-safety concern, but they are much rarer than the broadest gun-violence and school-shooting totals suggest.
I'll finish by saying this: the idea that more guns equals more crime is simply not supported by the historical trend. Estimates put the number of firearms in the United States at approximately 168 million in 1980 and 393 million in 2017, an increase of about 134% (likely even higher now). Adjusted for population, that represents an increase of approximately 63% in firearms per capita. Meanwhile, the murder rate fell from 10.2 per 100,000 people in 1980 to 4.1 in 2025, a decrease of approximately 60%. The 2025 rate was tied for the lowest since the FBI began keeping national estimates. More guns have not meant more murders. The claim that increasing firearm ownership must inevitably lead to increasing murder rates is contradicted by the long-term trend.
Sources: FBI, Active Shooter Incidents in the United States, 2023 and 2024; Associated Press, Greenwood Park Mall shooting, July 2022; Associated Press, West Freeway Church of Christ shooting, December 2019; Oregon Public Broadcasting and Reuters, Silver Rail Elementary School shooting, October 2026; K-12 School Shooting Database, methodology and incident records; CBS Los Angeles, Montebello police shooting, January 2013; News 12 Westchester, Trinity Elementary School police pursuit, June 2026; National Academies of Sciences, firearm-stock estimates; FBI, 2025 reported crime statistics.